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Heir Hunters spend their lives tracking down families of people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:08 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives who had no idea about their windfall. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
On today's show, a 17-year-old who disappeared from his family home. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
He just walked out. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Leaving behind a trail of mystery. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Not really noticeable. Just dressed plainly as if he wanted to fade into the background. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:50 | |
And the story of a miner whose difficult life brought a windfall to his descendants. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:58 | |
He died in '76, and 30-odd years later... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
you get a phone call to say you may inherit some money. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
It was quite a shock, to be honest. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Plus a list of unclaimed estates worth over £125,000. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
Could you be due to inherit some money? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
Every year in Britain, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
When no family is found, their money goes to the government. That's when the heir hunting companies step in. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:35 | |
Using birth, death and marriage records, they race each other to find any long-lost relatives | 0:01:36 | 0:01:43 | |
entitled to inherit. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
But finding these relatives is easier said than done. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
Sometimes people they investigate are so private that parts of their life will always remain a mystery. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:57 | |
This block of flats in North London was home to Alan Fisher for many years. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:05 | |
He died in 2006 at the age of 75. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
His neighbour Nelly remembers him. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
He must have moved in about 13 years ago, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
but we didn't get to know him. He liked to be on his own, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
didn't like any noise, would go out in the evening when it was quiet. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
Perhaps he was happy like that, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
but he just seemed so quiet. That was his name, the Quiet Man. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
That's what we all called him. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
But it seems that even though Alan Fisher was retiring in life, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
he can't escape notice in death. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
His name is on the Bona Vacantia, the weekly list of unclaimed estates published by the government. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:51 | |
It's 8am on a Thursday morning in Central London. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
At Fraser and Fraser, a large heir hunting firm, tensions are running high. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
Today the list of estates is released. Alan Fisher is one case the heir hunters are looking at. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:11 | |
Right. I'll see if I can get Ewart to go to Enfield. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
At this stage, they know little about Alan Fisher. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
So senior case manager David Pacifico despatches Ewart Lindsay to North London | 0:03:19 | 0:03:26 | |
to collect Alan's death certificate. He knows this will tell them where he was born. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
We need more information so it's the obvious thing. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
To assist them in tracking down the clues, they employ a crack team of travelling researchers. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:45 | |
These mobile agents spend their Thursdays primed to chase down clues | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
and get a head start in the race against rival companies. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
This formula works because, after 30 years in the business, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Frasers have tracked down over 50,000 heirs with estates totalling more than £100 million. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
It's mid-morning and in Enfield Ewart's already proving his worth. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
-Hello, Ewart. -I've got the death certificate. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
He was of Flat 15, Holly Lodge. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
They're hoping with Alan's address they'll be able to find out the value of the case. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:25 | |
Frasers work on commission and their overheads are high. The case must cover their costs. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:33 | |
If Alan owned his flat outright, it's a good indication of the estate's value, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
but the death certificate yields other information. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
He was born 16th May, 1931. Guess where. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
-Don't tell me - up north. -Cumberland. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
That puts the cat among the pigeons. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
The first rule of heir hunting is that people rarely move far from where they were born. | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
Alan lived in Enfield, but is likely to have family up north. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
They'll have to search in Cumberland but the question is why did Alan live so far away from home? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
And, more importantly, do his family even know he's died? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
For now, they need to find out the value of the case. Ewart will check at Alan's old address | 0:05:15 | 0:05:21 | |
to see if he owned the property. Asking the neighbours is a good way of getting background information. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
Hello. Sorry to trouble you. I'm from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
I'm enquiring about your neighbour. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
And in the office David asks case manager Marcus to investigate another avenue. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
The death of Alan Fisher. We didn't know anything about him. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
-We've now got his address. -Yeah. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
The researchers get on to checking the property registers. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
If Alan Fisher owned his flat, it will be listed. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
But it takes time. In Enfield, Ewart has already found out a wealth of information. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:07 | |
I've just spoken to a lady at number 18. She moved in to the property around 1981. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
And he was already here. He's probably been here for a number of years. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:19 | |
She doesn't think he was ever married, no children. And it's a council property. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:26 | |
It doesn't look like Alan owned his property. Bad news for Marcus. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
It doesn't look very good, actually. It appears to be a council flat. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
I think, really, we'll have a look to see if the deceased had any close kin. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
We'll talk to them and it might be something we can resolve quickly. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
If we do and it's still worth a modest amount, we'll sign people up. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
There is a glimmer of hope, however. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
If Marcus can trace any siblings for Alan Fisher, they might know if he had assets. | 0:06:54 | 0:07:00 | |
The first step to finding out is to find Alan's family. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
The team put together his family tree. They can trace the growth and the decline of the tree | 0:07:04 | 0:07:11 | |
and see who is in line to inherit. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
The good news is that they already have one vital piece of the puzzle. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
From the death we've been able to identify birth and he was born in Cockermouth, in the northwest. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:27 | |
We've also identified the parents' marriage. The father is brilliant. His name is Younghusband Fisher. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:34 | |
Rather superb. He was one of about nine or so children. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
The name Younghusband is solid gold as it is so unusual. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
It's a real boost to the investigation. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
He married Alan's mother Mary in 1911 and they had nine children. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Alan was the youngest of these, so Marcus may have his work cut out finding any siblings alive. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:59 | |
So the researchers are on the hunt for death records for Alan's siblings, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
but it's highly likely another firm will be on the same track. Marcus needs to work fast. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:14 | |
Luckily, he's had an inspired thought. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
He's going through the list of probates to see if any are listed for Alan's brothers and sisters. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:24 | |
This could really shortcut the hunt. There's a chance Alan may have had an inheritance in the past. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
If he has, that could mean the case IS worth pursuing. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
It seems Marcus made the right call. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
We just got the probate for John Octavious Fisher, the brother of the deceased. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
He died intestate. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
John Fisher died in 2006. He left no will. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
As he had no children, his siblings are heirs. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
That means Alan was due a share of his brother's cash, but they need to confirm how much. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
Now they have two things to speak to the family about - | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
who Alan Fisher's heirs might be and how much he inherited from John. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
Thank goodness for the probate. It lists a key piece of information. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
The two people mentioned are Charles William Morland and Annie Mary Hails Morland. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
I've just been told that the sister of the deceased was an Annie M Fisher. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
We've got a marriage of an Annie M Fisher to Morland. So this is definitely right. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:32 | |
This is a breakthrough. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Because they have a name and address for Alan's sister, Annie Morland, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
Marcus is quick to find her number, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
but something's concerning him. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
She's in her late 80s. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
The problem with that is that we don't normally immediately contact people of that age. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:53 | |
We try to contact their children. I'll just be extremely gentle with her and see how it goes. | 0:09:53 | 0:10:00 | |
Another worry is that he might be the one to break the news of her brother's death. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:06 | |
Mrs Morland? I'm ringing from a company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
We're probate researchers. Yes, it concerns the Fisher family. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
I'm rather hoping that you would be the daughter of the late Younghusband Fisher. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
And you had quite a large number of brothers and sisters. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
I have to tell you... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
I'm afraid to say it is your brother Alan who has actually died. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
-We were trying to find his next of kin. -Often the heir hunters won't reveal who's died, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
but as Annie is close kin, Marcus bends the rules. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
Thank you so much for your time. Hopefully we'll speak again. Bye. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
The conversation has provided Marcus with some intriguing information. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Alan apparently left the family home when he was 17. Nobody ever heard from him from that day to this. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:05 | |
This is the first that she knows about Alan having recently died. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
She had no contact with him for years. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
The interesting thing for us is his brother John Octavious Fisher who died a couple of years ago, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:20 | |
Alan would have been entitled to share in his estate | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
and his share was worth about £40,000. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
So... | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
this estate has gone from being worth a little bit more than five grand, but not very much more, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
to plus 40 grand on top of that. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
The good news is that the £40,000 sitting dormant in a bank account | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
is one step closer to finding its rightful owners, but knowing they hadn't heard from Alan for 55 years | 0:11:46 | 0:11:52 | |
leaves a big question mark over the case. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
The problem with this estate, although we now know the full extent of the family, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
because the family came from the northwest and the deceased ended up living down in London, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
it may well be that between the northwest and London he married once, twice, three times, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
had any number of children who would have a prior claim over other members of the family. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:24 | |
Coming up: with the news that Alan Fisher left at least £40,000, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
-the race is on to sign his heirs. -Mr Barlow? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
-But the question is: will they find them? -I'm trying to trace a lady called Janet | 0:12:36 | 0:12:43 | |
who would have been Fisher? Is that yourself? ..It isn't. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
Thank you for your time. So sorry to trouble you, anyway. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
Many cases the heir hunters tackle involve people with large estates who have lost contact with family. | 0:12:53 | 0:13:00 | |
Finding someone's relatives can be a daunting task. Perhaps you could be due an inheritance? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:07 | |
Dorothea Alice Williams lived in Telford, Shropshire. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
She was 88 years old when she passed away and left £27,000. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
Are you related to Dorothea? If so, you could be due her estate. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
Mini-Francis Marsh died in Clapton, London, in March 2004. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
She was 86 years old and left an estate of £20,000. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
Are you related to Mini? Could her cash belong to you? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
Arthur Ronald Sergant Slade passed away in Birmingham at the age of 77. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:43 | |
He left £20,000. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
If you have any information to help solve these unclaimed cases, then take a look at our website: | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
The heir hunters handles thousands of cases like Alan Fisher's every year, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
about people who die having lost touch with their families. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Occasionally they come across a case that is about the bigger picture, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
where the very act of claiming the inheritance is a statement for the greater good. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
When case manager Bob Smith first encountered the file of Oswald Bowley, seen here at a wedding, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:31 | |
he knew it would be different. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
This is an unusual situation. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Normally we deal with people's estate, which is their house or money in the bank. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
-In this case it was compensation due to Oswald. -Oswald was a miner who died in 1976 aged 64, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:50 | |
but it wasn't until several decades later that Frasers took on the case. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
Oswald was due compensation for health problems caused by his occupation, | 0:14:55 | 0:15:01 | |
-but it could only be paid out to his heirs. -I'm led to believe the compensation is £6,000 or £7,000. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:07 | |
It's not life-changing amounts, however, it is recognition of Oswald and the suffering he endured. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:14 | |
Worksop, Nottinghamshire, 19 miles southeast of Sheffield, once the heart of coal mining country. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:23 | |
The mines dominated this area for over 100 years. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
At one point, tens of thousands of men worked these pits. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
Oswald was a miner for many years. Gordon Flint remembers his fondly. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
I'm Oswald's step-grandson, but to me he was the only grandfather I knew, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:44 | |
so he was always Granddad Mick to me. Everyone called him Mick. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
No idea where it comes from. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
I have very fond memories of him spending time with me as a child. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
Oswald had married Gordon's grandmother Ida in 1950. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
They were both on their second marriages. They set up home in this house in Worksop. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:08 | |
Gordon remembers that Oswald was always larger than life. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
He got me and himself into trouble, bought me pets when I don't think my parents were expecting them. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:19 | |
And quite a bit of a character. Spent quite a bit of time in the pub, I seem to recall, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
from comments by my grandmother. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
But a very generous and kind person. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
A group of Oswald's drinking buddies from the colliery remember him fondly. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:40 | |
He was a good bloke to talk to, have a chat to. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
"What are you doing, George?" That's all I can remember. I don't remember a lot. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:51 | |
I was a manager and I remember the name Bowley. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
I think he had a nickname Ozzy. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
As far as I can recollect, his job was as a packer. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
Ron Booth, an ex-miner and local historian knows just what Oswald's day would have been like. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:10 | |
His job would be to come on shift after the coal was stripped off. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
He'd build these packs, built with bits of stone that fell down, in-between, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:22 | |
coal, and he'd build this pack up to the roof with all the old rubbish and that stopped subsidence. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:29 | |
Coal mining was hard and dangerous work. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Ron remembers all too well what life was like underground. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
You'd walk down 3-4 miles to the coalface. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
You'd scramble through, two or three times a day, on your knees. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
What happened down the pit was you stripped off to the waist. You just had shorts on. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
And your pit boots. It was hot, really hot. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
I mean, it were a good job for slimming. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
They shovelled all that coal, which was probably 12 tons. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
It would be a tough life, sweating, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
breathing dust, noise, clank, clank. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
You can't believe the noise you had. It was terrible. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
But it was the coal dust that created the biggest problem. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
You couldn't see. Especially when you were jibbing in and put your hand here. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
You couldn't see your hand. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Rudimentary safety equipment was provided, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
but its use was never enforced. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
Remember them dust masks? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Oh, yeah. What did you call them? One lad used to put these masks on in the pit bottom. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
We laughed at him, but did he know something that we didn't? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
-I wish now I'd put mine on. -Yes! | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Miners' health now, most of them have got breathing problems. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
A lot of them are terrible. They can hardly walk. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
They were on their knees 6 or 7 hours a day. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
30 years down the pit on your knees. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
And white finger with holding pneumatic drills | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
and shaking your wrists. Day after day after day. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
It shattered the nerves in the wrist. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Oswald became a victim of some of these hazards and it changed his life dramatically. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:26 | |
I do remember him not being able to walk very fast. His breathing was shocking. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
He could hardly breathe at times and this got worse and worse as he got older. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
He became quite disabled, couldn't walk very far. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
He used to come up to my parents' on a moped. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
That's the lasting memories of him, coming into the house with his old-fashioned helmet on. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:54 | |
After a lifetime of breathing coal dust, the soft tissue in Oswald's lungs was dying, | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
making it impossible for him to breathe. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
Finally, in 1976, Oswald passed away. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
His death certificate lists emphysema as one of the causes, known to miners as black lung. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
If Oswald had the chest disease, I'm not surprised. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
You imagine coal cutters cutting the coal, the dust, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
loading it onto conveyor belts, one to another, until it gets to the loading point. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
All that dust was all over the place and most of the old lads had this chest disease | 0:20:28 | 0:20:35 | |
and there was no compensation. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
In 1998, 22 years after Oswald's death, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
it was recognised that British Coal should have provided better safety for their workers. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
A compensation deal was struck and backdated to 1954. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
Even though it was nearly 20 years after Oswald's death, he qualified. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
It took another decade before Fraser and Fraser became involved. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
Bob Smith worked the case. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
'We were contacted by the solicitors administrating Oswald's estate.' | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
There is compensation due to him, but that cannot be paid to his estate | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
unless we find a family member to administer the estate and benefit from it. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
When Bob and his team began the research, they found it was fairly straightforward to track his heirs. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:30 | |
We established that Oswald had been married twice with no children from either marriage. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
We therefore found Oswald's parents and also established that Oswald had five brothers and sisters. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:43 | |
Four of those, unfortunately, died as small children, but one sister had survived. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
She married and had two children, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
so we were able in this case to find people that could benefit from Oswald's estate and his compensation. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:59 | |
It seems that Oswald's sister Ellen had two children, James and Alan. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
James had three children and they are all heirs to Oswald's estate. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
Susan Greenwood is his great-niece, a pub landlady in Reigate. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
She was amazed when she heard she would have a share of Oswald's £6,000 compensation. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
It's very surprising that it's come to light now. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Obviously, he died in '76 and 30-odd years later... | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
you get a phone call to say you may inherit some money, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
so it was out the blue and it was quite a shock, to be honest. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
It's just a shame that he didn't get it for himself because it would have helped him more. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:43 | |
For mining expert Ron Booth, the compensation was a matter of principle. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
I think they're worth every penny they've got for it. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
People say, "Oh, miners," this, that and the other. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
If you've never worked down a mine, you don't know what you're talking about. It's hard work. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
People say it's mechanised. It's still the same dangerous job. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
Because Oswald's step-grandson Gordon wasn't a blood relative, he is not in line to inherit. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
He thinks it's a shame Oswald didn't get the money in his lifetime. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
He never earned a lot of money and what he did have, he tended to spend fairly easily. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:28 | |
A very generous man. And certainly in his latter years, he was very short of money. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:34 | |
My parents helped him out a lot and looked after him. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
It would've been nice for him to have it, I would have thought. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
It's Day 2 and travelling Heir Hunter Ewart Lindsay is on the quest | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
to find the heirs to the estate of Alan Fisher. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
The family knows nothing about him. He walked out when he was 17 and didn't return. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
Apparently, he's got about £40,000 coming to him from his brother's estate. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
We've got to tie up the loose ends on this case. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
You know, in terms of trying to find out about his marital status. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
Alan lived in this block of flats for more than a decade, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
but even his neighbour Nellie didn't know much about him. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
I don't think he had anybody else. He never had any visitors. Very small. He wasn't big. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:37 | |
Not really noticeable. Just dressed plainly and... | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Just as if he wanted to fade in the background. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Now he's at the forefront of the Heir Hunter investigation. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
Yesterday, they found out that Alan had eight siblings, but something is bothering Case Manager Marcus. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:58 | |
The worrying thing about it is because the deceased was born in Cockermouth, then died in Enfield, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:05 | |
you've got anywhere in between he could have married and the worry is that he may have married. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
We've not found anybody that knew if he had been married or not. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
There's a possibility that there is somebody else that's entitled before the heirs that we've got. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:24 | |
If Alan Fisher did marry and have children, they would be the first to inherit Alan's cash. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:31 | |
And with an estate of £40,000 in the balance, it is likely that rivals will be hot on their heels. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:38 | |
The race is on. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
In order to ensure they have all the heirs, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
Marcus needs to find every marriage listed for an Alan Fisher in the UK | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
and then eliminate them one by one. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
And the name Alan Fisher is not exactly unusual. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
His father was Younghusband Fisher - what a brilliant name! | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
He was plain Alan Fisher, so it makes it a bit more difficult. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
We've got a long list of marriages for Alan Fisher all over the UK. He could have stopped off anywhere. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:13 | |
220 miles north of London in Bolton, another mobile agent Dave Mansell has been pulled on to the case. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:21 | |
As he's up north, he'll be the one paying a visit to Stella, Alan Fisher's niece. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
He's just called her to confirm the appointment and he's had some marvellous news. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
He's keen to tell Marcus. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
Really? Good stuff. OK, mate. Speak to you later. Bye. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
Superb. That was Dave Mansell. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
He's made contact with a niece of the deceased. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
He's gonna see her at 12 o'clock. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
She'll pick her sister up at the same time and they'll be seen together. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
It looks like they have six heirs. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
Of the nine Fisher siblings, only two are still alive - Annie Morland and Sarah Fisher. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:08 | |
Another sister, Barbara, who has passed away, has three children - Stanley, Barbara and Stella. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
Alan was their uncle, but there's more to find. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
Another heir they know of is Alan's niece Madeleine, Wilson Fisher's daughter, but they can't trace her. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:25 | |
They hope a rival firm hasn't already contacted her. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
Dave Mansell is driving the 100 miles from Bolton to Cockermouth. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
He's off to see Alan's nieces Stella and Barbara. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
He gives Stella a call. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
I'm on my way. It'll probably be 12.30 before I get there. We've had a delay on the motorway. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
-'He's gone for my Auntie Sally an' all.' -Brilliant. I'll see you in a while. -'Bye.' -Bye. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:53 | |
Her husband set off to go and get her sister. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
And their auntie who is 95. So there'll be three people to speak to when we get to the house. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:06 | |
It's a coup to see so many heirs all at once. He will see Barbara, Stella and her husband James... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
-Mr Barlow? -Yes. -David Mansell from Fraser & Fraser. I spoke to your wife earlier. -Yes, come in. -Thank you. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:20 | |
And he is also seeing Sarah, Alan's 95-year-old sister who is a little camera-shy. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
-Do you know when your father was born, his date of birth? -5th of March. -5th of March? -Yeah. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:33 | |
He would've been 100 this year. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
-He would've been 100 this year? -Yeah, he'd be 100 in March. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
-So that was 1908? -Aye. -Yeah. -Cor! | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
-How many times have you been married? -Just the once. -What do you mean, "How many?!" | 0:28:43 | 0:28:49 | |
Whilst Dave does the paperwork, Stella reflects on his visit. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
Oh, I was surprised. It isn't every day somebody comes and tells you you'll get left some money. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:01 | |
Just really surprised, yeah. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
I hadn't seen him since I was a lass. I didn't know if he was still alive or not | 0:29:04 | 0:29:10 | |
because nobody had heard from him. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Thankfully, now the family knows what happened to Alan. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
It's just after lunch and Marcus is on tenterhooks. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
Did Dave get there before any rival companies and did they sign to Frasers? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
I'm just about to phone Dave now and see what he's got. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
It's been long enough. How long has he been missing? | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
About two and a half hours, it seems! | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
-'Hello, mate, it's me.' -Hiya, Marcus. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
-How are you doing? -We've signed up four heirs. -You've signed four? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
Yeah, three generations. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
-One of the girls. You know Madeleine and Linda? Linda's deceased. -Right. -We signed Madeleine as well. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:59 | |
Dave's done a great job. That's two generations of Fishers in one sitting - | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
Alan's sister Sarah and three nieces, Stella, Barbara and Madeleine. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:11 | |
But the same old thought is nagging at Marcus. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
They are aware that they might not be entitled to anything if we find out he was married with kids? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:22 | |
Yeah, I explained it all to them. They've not seen him for over 55 years. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
'Right. Could they remember the name of Joseph's daughter?' | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
They thought it may be Janet. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
That's brilliant stuff, mate. Well done. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
So Dave beat the competition and Marcus can breathe a sigh of relief. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
So that's it. Good result. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
We still don't know if the deceased was married with kids, but a good result - four people in one hit! | 0:30:46 | 0:30:53 | |
There is an added benefit to the Heir Hunters contacting the Fishers. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
They've been able to tell them where Alan was for the last 55 years. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
It's been nice for the survivors who are in their late 80s, early 90s respectively, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:09 | |
it's resolved for them, before they die, before their life comes to an and, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
what happened to their baby brother. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
When you get a big family like that, the youngest one is always the one everyone feels protective about. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:24 | |
But he just walked out. He didn't come back one day. Now they know. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
Signing four heirs is a masterstroke, but they're not out of the woods yet. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:37 | |
They need to press on and find more of Alan's family. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
From Dave's meeting, Marcus now has the name of another niece. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
We've got a possible name, John, for the daughter of Joseph and Evelyn - Janet. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:52 | |
I'll go and check that. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
Alan's niece Janet is the daughter of Joseph Fisher and an only child. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
It seems Joseph left the family home in Cockermouth when he was young | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
and didn't keep in contact with his family, so they couldn't provide any details for Janet. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
The Heir Hunters know she was born in Watford in 1942. There's a good chance she'll be married by now. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:17 | |
By cross-referencing birth and marriage records with electoral rolls in the Watford area, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:23 | |
they hope to find her quickly, but Janet and Fisher are common names, so they have several to choose from. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:31 | |
I've got four phone numbers for people called Janet born in 1942 in the Watford area. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:37 | |
I'm hoping that one of them is Janet Fisher or was Janet Fisher before she married. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:44 | |
It's a shrewd short cut. By calling the Janets on the list, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
there's a good chance he'll find the right one. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
One down and no joy. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
Hello. Is that Mrs Jones? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
I'm so sorry to trouble you. My name is Marcus Herbert. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
I'm ringing from a company in London called Fraser & Fraser, we're probate researchers. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:08 | |
I'm trying to trace a lady called Janet who would have been born as Janet Fisher. Is that yourself? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:15 | |
It isn't. Thank you for your time. I'm so sorry to trouble you. Bye. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
No. That's all I can do today on that. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
Marcus knows he needs to find Janet before the competition, but he still feels confident. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:31 | |
I've had a rip-roaring day really. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
Um... Basically, we've found everybody just about that we've needed to find. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
Except for... The deceased had a brother called Joseph, who had a daughter Janet. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:45 | |
We've identified her birth, she's still got to be found. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
The only thing we're still worried about is if the deceased married. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
Born up north, ended up in the south, could've married anywhere. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
It's late in the day and the team are thinking about heading home, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
but Marcus decides to give the search for Janet Fisher one last shot. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
We were looking at Janets born in 1942 in Watford. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
And there's a son with a date of birth living with her. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
I look the birth of the son up and it gives the mother's maiden name as Fisher. Janet is living in Watford. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:27 | |
It's a great moment. Marcus's hard work has paid off. He phones travelling Heir Hunter Ewart. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:34 | |
-Ewart, it's me. I've found Joseph and Evelyn Fisher's daughter Janet. -Perfect. Perfect, yeah. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:41 | |
Coming up - the Heir Hunters are pleased that they have the Fisher clan wrapped up. Or have they? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:48 | |
We've got all of Alan Fishers' marriages to tackle today. I've kind of lost the will to live! | 0:34:48 | 0:34:55 | |
The Heir Hunters' job is to fill in the gaps of people's lives, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
tracing long-lost family members in order to give them an inheritance. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
Perhaps you could be due a windfall. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Baldrick James died in Leicester in 2004. He was 78 years old | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
and left a cash sum of £19,000. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
John Jones passed away in Luton. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
He died in December 2004 at the age of 53, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
leaving a sum of £20,000. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Boris Bilacon passed away in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
He was 80 when he died, leaving a legacy of £20,000. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
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then take a look at our website: | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
It's Day 3 on the case of Alan Fisher, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
a shy, retiring man who had lived in this block of council flats in Enfield | 0:36:04 | 0:36:10 | |
and left an estate of £40,000. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
After tracking down his relatives, the Heir Hunters have found that he left home 55 years ago aged 17 | 0:36:13 | 0:36:19 | |
and they have no idea what happened. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
They have signed four heirs and are hoping to get to one more, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
but as they know so little about Alan's adult life, a huge question mark hangs over the investigation. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
If he was married with issue, there are others with a prior entitlement to benefit from his estate, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:40 | |
rather than the people that we have already found | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
who are nephews and nieces and two siblings. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
In Watford, travelling Heir Hunter Ewart is enjoying a visit close to home for a change. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:56 | |
I've got an appointment in Watford which is probably a bit less than two miles away from where I live | 0:36:56 | 0:37:03 | |
to see a Mrs Hicks | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
and she will be a niece of the deceased. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
As Ewart arrives to see Alan's niece Janet Hicks, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Marcus wrestles with a long list of possible Fisher marriages. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
We've got all of Alan Fishers' marriages to tackle today and I've kind of lost the will to live! | 0:37:18 | 0:37:25 | |
We've eliminated about five out of about 30 so far. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
And we've still got about another 20-year search to do. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
Back in Watford, the good news is Janet has signed to Frasers, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
but when it comes to the Fisher family, she wasn't much help. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Her father Joseph had brothers and sisters and she didn't know much about them whatsoever. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:52 | |
You could see the reason why. Her father left Cockermouth in about 1952 | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
and came down to live in Watford. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
She hadn't been in contact with her aunts and uncles for over 50 years, so it's understandable. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:08 | |
Nevertheless, she signed, so, you know, it's good for me. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
It's good for my figures. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
Ewart phones in to the office. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
-Good news, Marcus. -She signed? -Yeah, Mrs Hicks signed. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
Quite a nice lady. I'm afraid she didn't know much about the family. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
She was the one that I think her father was, along with the deceased, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:34 | |
one of the ones that they didn't know where he was for a few years. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
The Fisher clan is certainly large, but obviously not that close. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:45 | |
And it's a tragic coincidence that Winchmore Hill where Alan lived | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
and Joseph's home in Watford are less than 20 miles apart. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
But it seems the brothers never knew they lived so close. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
With Janet's signature on the contract, the Heir Hunters now have five heirs confirmed - | 0:38:58 | 0:39:05 | |
Alan's sister Sarah and four of his nieces, Barbara, Stella, Madeleine and Janet. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
But they will have nothing to claim if the office find that Alan Fisher married and had children. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
And it seems their fears are about to be realised. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Yeah, we got a marriage in Enfield. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Yes, in 1968. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
The office may have found the marriage of the deceased, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
a possible marriage when he was about 37. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
So that's good. So we'll head to Enfield and try and obtain that marriage. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:42 | |
Marriage certificates list couples' parents and although Fisher is a common name, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:49 | |
Ewart is confident the Alan Fisher they're looking for will stand out. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
You know, his father has got a very, very good name. Fantastic name. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
And it's Younghusband. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
One word. It's not two separate words. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
It's Younghusband Fisher. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
And on this particular marriage I'm picking up in Enfield, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
if the father was Younghusband, it's the correct marriage. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
And then the guys could go ahead and look for children, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
look for issue of that marriage. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
It's not impossible. He was 37 years of age when he got married, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
when this particular Alan Fisher got married. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
It's a nail-biting moment. The Heir Hunters have invested three days of hard slog on this case. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:44 | |
This certificate could turn everything on its head. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
Turn of a coin and it changes. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
-But just as Ewart arrives at the Register Office... -Almost at Enfield Register Office. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
Gonna give Ewart a call and break the happy news to him. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
Ewart, it's me. That Enfield marriage for Alan Fisher is wrong. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
We've just found some bits and pieces which proved it's wrong. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
That one's 16 years younger than ours, so forget all about that. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
After all that, it was a false alarm and there's not much more Marcus can do on the Fisher case. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:28 | |
He has plenty to be pleased about with five heirs signed, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
but Alan's marital status is still a mystery. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
The niggling problem of the deceased's own marriage, yes or no, did he or didn't he? | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
There you go. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
The Heir Hunters can't process the claim until they have ensured they have found every heir. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:51 | |
A long period of time is unaccounted for in Alan's life, so did he marry? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
Nellie thought he wasn't the type. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
He was just the sort of person who goes in the background, very quiet and... | 0:41:58 | 0:42:04 | |
And always smiled if you spoke to him. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
But didn't really want to engage in conversation. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
He seemed nervous of everybody. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
It's three months since the team began the investigation | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
into Alan Fisher and there's been a twist in the tale. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
Brilliant case. The research went extremely well. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
It was fairly straightforward. It wasn't too difficult to research. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
It was nice that we found siblings of the deceased, interesting names. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
But the family decided to go it alone. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
As the heirs decided not to have Frasers' help to submit the claim, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
Marcus will never know if Alan Fisher married and had children. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
But you win some, you lose some. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
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