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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives who had no idea they were in for a windfall. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's programme, emotions run high for one lucky lady. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
I just sort of started shaking. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
It was totally out of the blue. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
And a knock on the door from Heir Hunters brings more than just money to this pensioner. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
It's great news to me to know that there is somebody still around | 0:00:47 | 0:00:55 | |
that I can say is a relative. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
Plus a list of unclaimed estates worth nearly £700,000. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
Maybe you could help crack a case and find some missing heirs. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
Every year, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
When no family is found, their money goes to the government. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
That's when the heir hunting companies step in. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
They race against each other | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
to be the first to track down any long-lost relatives | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
entitled to inherit. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
So, Milly or Ruby? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
In its 30-year history, the company has grabbed back | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
over £100million from the government | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
and given it back to over 50,000 heirs. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
It's 7.00am Thursday in Fraser & Fraser's London office. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
It's a crucial time for the heir hunters | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
as the government has just released the weekly list | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
of those who've died with no known heirs. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Where's my toast? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
Leading the troops today is case manager David Pacifico | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
who, after 37 years in the job, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
has still not got used to the seven o'clock start. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
David has looked down the list and selected a case to investigate. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
This is a possibility. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Surname Bevan, looks like he's born in Wales. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
The government doesn't disclose the value of any of the cases, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
but David is hoping the Bevan estate | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
will be worth the most amount of money on the list | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
as Frasers works on commission and gets a cut from heirs who sign up. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
Might be all right, but we're still not certain. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
He's guessing the value is high because Bryan Bevan died in Bedford | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
which is a wealthy area with many expensive properties, and Bryan Bevan might even have owned one. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
Still a question mark, but it's a good area and so it's worth, I think, looking at it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
It's not much to go on, but that's normal for the heir hunters. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
During the course of the day, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
they have to collect as much information as possible | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
about Bryan Bevan so they can build a family tree, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
working out generation by generation who he is related to | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and who's in line to inherit. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
There's only so much they can find out from the comfort of the office, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
so as well as its research team, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
Fraser & Fraser also employ a squadron of travelling heir hunters. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
They spend their Thursdays at the wheel of their cars, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
ready to go wherever the search takes them. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-Do you know where James Donovan Court is? -Just there. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Oh. Thank you. Cheers. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Their job is to follow up new leads and sniff out fresh clues. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
It's highly competitive | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
as they need to get to any heirs and make a deal before their rivals. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
If I don't knock on the door first | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
then a competitor will. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
The travelling heir hunter put onto the Bevan case | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
is Birmingham-based Paul Matthews. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
If it's hard for us, it's hard for other companies as well. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Today his first instruction has been to drive towards south Wales, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
the birthplace of Bryan Bevan. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
He was actually born in Pontypridd, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
which obviously, any family members, they'll stem from there | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
so hopefully get up to date early doors. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
It's a bit of a steal on the competition if we're there doing it. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Paul's job on arrival will be to collect | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Bryan Bevan's birth certificate from the local register office | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
which will give the heir hunters the concrete information they crucially need. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
We've got to get the right birth of the deceased. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
That's always the starting point because obviously, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
you've got to have the right family | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
before you go down the tree and trace all the relatives. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
But of course, without knowing the value of Bryan Bevan's estate, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
it could be a lot of effort for very little reward. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
It's still very much hit and miss so I could be coming down here | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
on what's a fool's errand because it's not worth the petrol money to come down. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
But by the same standard, it could be a very big estate. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
All that is known about Bryan Bevan | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
is that his funeral was arranged by the state | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
and the service was led by local vicar, Cyril Harris. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
I was asked to arrange the funeral because, to my surprise, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
there were no relatives and that exercised my mind considerably | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
simply because here was a man who, quite clearly, had made a great contribution to life. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:41 | |
We tried to find out who had worked with him, but to no avail. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
It saddened me to think that such a person | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
should end up with no relatives, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
no-one really to say we loved you and to move on. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
It's up to Frasers' research director Gareth Langford | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
to tease out more information about Bryan Bevan's family. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
The most useful thing would be the names of his parents, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
but with dozens of people listed under the surname Bevan, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
they aren't going to be easy to find. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Gareth trawls through Frasers' huge database of marriage records hoping for a clue. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
Suddenly, he comes across two names that stand out. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Could these be Bryan Bevan's parents and the team's first breakthrough of the day? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
At the moment, we're speculatively looking at parents of Bryan Bevan | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
who are possibly Gomer and Jessie Williams, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
but it is complete guesswork. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Bevan appears to be a Pontypridd name, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
so we've no idea really who the parents are. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
It's just an educated guess that we quite like this one. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
The team won't know for sure | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
whether these people are Bryan Bevan's parents | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
until Paul Matthews gets the birth certificate from Pontypridd. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
But if the names are right, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
it could give them a head start in front of their rivals. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
If we don't work this and it is right | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and somebody else has worked it and beat us to it then, um, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
you know, that's not good. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
So we're working it, basically, in case somebody else works it. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Gareth's speculative family tree now shows Bryan Bevan | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
as the son of a Gomer Bevan and a Jessie Williams. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
It's now nearly 10am and case manager David is getting edgy. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
He wants to know if Gareth's guesswork is correct | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
by getting proof from Paul. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
But how soon will the travelling heir hunter get the evidence? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Paul. Hi, it's David. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
-Hi, David. -Just want to check whereabouts you are. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Well, I'm about 30 miles from Pontypridd. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Paul's pulled over because he's hit a problem. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
-Found the register office on the way here. -Oh, you have, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
The lady's checked. They're saying that birth is not there. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
Apparently Caerphilly, which is a bit further on, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
um, they've got a birth of a Bryan Bevan and they're going to check, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
see if it's the one we want. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
Until Paul gets the certificate, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
all the office can do is make guesses about Bryan Bevan. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
But then Gareth has an idea. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Gomer Bevan is a very unusual name. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
In fact, there is only one listing of it in the Frasers' birth records. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
This means Gareth has something solid to research. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
By cross-referencing names and birth records, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
he quickly works out that Gomer had three siblings, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Elizabeth, Philip and Olwyn. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
Philip had a son, David, who died in 2004, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
but David's wife Elani Bevan is still alive. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-David. -Hi, Gareth. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Right, we've got the widow of, er... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-David. -David. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
And there's her phone number. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
OK, so this, possibly, is a cousin by marriage of the deceased. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
But obviously based on the fact, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
do we have the right parents of the deceased? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
If the team can get hold of Elani Bevan, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
she might be able to tell them | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
whether Gomer really was the father of Bryan Bevan. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Hello, Mrs Bevan? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
We're trying to trace a particular family by the name of Bevan, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
from the Pontypridd area. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
I'm not sure whether or not we've got the right family, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
but were you married to a David Bevan? | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
The heir hunters are in luck. But can Elani Bevan tell them anything about her husband's Uncle Gomer? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
Do you know anything about Gomer, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
in as much as any family he may have had? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
Right. Do you know anything at all about this son - | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
name, or what happened to the son or anything like that? Right. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
Did he stay in Wales, or...? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Getting hold of Elani Bevan is a great result for the heir hunters. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
The phone call reveals that Gomer Bevan did have a son, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
an only child, and that he moved away from Wales. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
The heir hunters now feel pretty sure | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
that they are onto the right family. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Now David's hoping Mrs Bevan might be able to lead them to some heirs. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
Only blood relatives are entitled, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
so she won't be in line for any money herself. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Any surviving blood relations of the Bevan family | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
we believe could have an interest or an entitlement to a share in this estate. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Right, I was going to ask you if your husband had any children. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
His name is Hugh? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
The team have struck gold. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Elani Bevan's son Hugh is a blood relative of Bryan Bevan, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
giving Fraser & Fraser their very first heir. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Whereabouts is he, actually? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
Having a name is one thing, but getting in touch is another. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
He's in Singapore? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
It's a bit too far to send travelling heir hunter Paul, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
so in this instance, Hugh will have to be signed up by return post. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
Elani Bevan also thinks there might be another surviving blood relative. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
A cousin, Joyce. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
What was Joyce's married name, then, do you remember? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Holderness. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
If the team can find Joyce, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
she'll be the second heir to Bryan Bevan's estate. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Many, many thanks, Mrs Bevan. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:04 | |
It's great news. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
Providing the parents names on Bryan Bevan's birth certificate do match, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
the team have just found two heirs, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
a cousin and a cousin once removed. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
-I reckon it's right. -Mmm. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Coming up, Paul finally gets to the register office, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
but will the information on Bryan Bevan's birth certificate prove the heir hunters correct? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Check the details. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
And will their hard work be for nothing | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
when they find out the real value of Bryan Bevan's estate? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
It's probably worth ten pence, this job, anyway, Dave. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
Heir hunting is a profession which takes expertise to do well, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
but sometimes, amateur sleuths can help crack a case. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Do you have any information that could help find heirs for these unclaimed estates? | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
Mieczyslaw Meczyk died in Hammersmith, London, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
in February 2007 aged 73. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
He left an estate worth a massive half a million pounds. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
Are you his relative and in line for a fortune? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Anthony Sleet died in Southampton in December 2006. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
He was 82 and left an estate worth £28,000. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Are you part of Anthony's family? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Do you know someone who is? | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
Leila Connell died in Brighton in May 2005, aged 98. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
Leila left an estate worth £20,000. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
Are you a member of her family? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
Could you be an heir? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
If you think you might be entitled to any of these unclaimed estates, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
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In central London, Fraser & Fraser are continuing | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
their investigation into the unclaimed estate of Bryan Bevan. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
We're speculatively looking at parents of Bryan Bevan | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
who are possibly Gomer and Jessie Williams. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
The team may well have just found their first two heirs, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
but they need proof from Paul Matthews before they can be sure. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
Hi, Paul. Just wondering how close you are to Caerphilly. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
I've just arrived. Just putting the form in. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Right because, um, if the parents' names that we've got is right, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
it's up to date, with two people on that side of the family. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
-Oh, right. -So I'll hang fire until you come back to me. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
-OK, then. Cheers, Dave. -Thanks, Paul. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
Paul puts in a request for Bryan Bevan's birth certificate, and now it's a waiting game. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
OK, thanks a lot. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
Will the certificate give the heir hunters the names they so desperately want... | 0:13:54 | 0:14:00 | |
Check the details. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
..and prove that Bryan Bevan's parents really are | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Gomer Bevan and Jessie Williams? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Well, I've got the birth of the deceased now. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
It confirms that it's exactly the same date | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
and confirms the mum's maiden name was Williams. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
So, looks good to me. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Dave. Paul. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
-Hello. -Got that birth for you. -Good. Tell me the good news. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Dad is Gomer Bevan. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
-Yeah. -Mum is Jessie Bevan, formerly Williams. -Yeah. -And that's it. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
-Is it looking good? -It does. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
It's great news for the heir hunters. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
They now know for sure | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
that they've got two heirs from Bryan Bevan's father's side. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
But it's not over yet. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
The team now need to research Bryan Bevan's mother's family. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
David asks Paul to try to find Jessie Williams' birth certificate. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Because without that, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
we obviously can't identify the Williams side. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
The maternal side of Bryan Bevan's family | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
is going to be much harder to track down | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
as Williams is the third most common surname in the country. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
The Williams name is very, very bad, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
but we know the quarter and we know the area where the birth came out | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
so hopefully, we can, with the help of the registry office staff, just narrow it down. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
With Paul left looking for Williams needles in Welsh haystacks, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
David gets back to the Bevan side and finds a phone number | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
for the person he hopes is Bryan's cousin Joyce. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Hello, Mrs Holderness? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Would I be right in saying that you would have been Joyce Parsons? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
And you also had an Uncle Gomer? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Right. Do you remember his son at all? | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
Joyce's answers persuade David that she is person he's been looking for. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
Unfortunately, he's now passed away. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
He was an only child and we don't think he was married | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
and we've been trying to track down his next of kin | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
which would be, of course, yourself, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
also David's son Hugh, because he's a blood relation. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
As Bryan's cousin, Joyce is entitled to some of his unclaimed estate, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
but unfortunately for the heir hunters, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Joyce isn't keen to sign up with Frasers | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
or take the inheritance process any further. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
She does, however, tell them some more information about Bryan Bevan. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
That he was a bachelor and that he had been ordained. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
In fact, he taught theology at a local university. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
She mentioned he wasn't married, he was gay. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
She thought he may have been living with somebody, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
but he travelled an awful lot and wasn't approved by his family | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
because he was gay and this is the old story, you know? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
This call helps the heir hunters understand | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
why Bryan Bevan might have lost touch with his family. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
At the register office, Paul has just got his hands | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
on the birth certificate of Jessie Williams, mother of Bryan. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
Hello, Dave. Paul. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
-Right, she's plain Jessie. -Yeah. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
Dad's John Williams. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
And the mother? | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
Amelia Williams, formerly James. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
-This could be right. -Oh, that's good, then. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
David is pleased with the progress so far, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
but because they still don't know the value of Bryan Bevan's estate, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
the heir hunters are unsure if this case is going to be worth the hard work. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
We're still trying to glean how big the estate is. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
We think there is money there, although I'm not sure how much, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
which still concerns me, because you know it might still be small. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
He decides to call up travelling heir hunter Ewart Lindsay, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
who covers the south east region. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Ewart is asked to head to Bedford | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
to find out more about Bryan Bevan's pad. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
-So do we know if he actually owned the property or not? -We're not sure. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
-That's why we'd like more of an enquiry done. -Yeah, OK. Fine. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
He died 27th of February, 2007. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Now, the cousin I've spoken to mentioned that the deceased was gay | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
and she thought he may have been living with somebody. I think he was a reverend as well. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
We want to know a little bit more | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
about if he owned the property, anything else, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
and if his partner's still there, any information you can convene. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-OK, Dave, thank you very much. -OK. Catch up with you later. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-Bye. -OK, bye. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
And there's no rest for Gareth. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
He now cross-references the home address from Jessie Williams' birth certificate | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
with a population survey taken a year before her birth. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
This is the 1901 census of the Williams family, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
so we've got the grandfather and grandmother | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
of the deceased here - John and Amelia Williams. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Also in the census we've got a David, an Arthur, a Stanley, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
a George and a Tudor. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
I've also got here the 1891 census and we've got a Sarah Maria as well. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
The team now know that Bryan Bevan's mother Jessie had six siblings. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:02 | |
But knowing their names doesn't mean they will be easy to find. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
Williams is quite a common name, but in Wales it's a very common name | 0:19:06 | 0:19:13 | |
so we've got Christian names of...David, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
so we're looking for a David Williams born in Pontypridd | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
and that's going to be around 1886. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
There's going to be four or five David Williams | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
born in Pontypridd around that time. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
Luckily, the heir hunters have yet more resources to help them out. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
Five minutes from their offices is the probate registry, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
which stores every will in the UK submitted since 1858. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
If any of the Williams clan left a will, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
this could provide some vital information. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
From our point of view it's often very useful | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
because it mentions family, and it can be very useful | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
if it mentions people's married names | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
or their grandchildren or even their great grandchildren. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
So it's a very useful thing for us. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
But it will take some time for the team to get hold of any wills, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
if they exist at all. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
It's now 4pm and Ewart has just arrived at Bryan Bevan's former home. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
Ewart's main concern is the find out if the Bevan estate is worth any money. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
It doesn't look council-y. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Possibly looks like it's privately owned. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
Er...but we'll see. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
The average two bedroom flat in Bedford is priced at around £150,000, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
but until Ewart speaks to someone, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
he doesn't know whether Bryan Bevan actually owned his own place, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
let alone its value. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
Nobody seems to be answering. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
To get any information, Ewart needs to find someone to speak to. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
-He's down to the last buzzer when a resident shows up. -Want to come in? -Yeah, thank you. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
It's a good result for Ewart, but will Bryan Bevan's neighbour give him any good news about the flat. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:17 | |
Do you know anything about him at all? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
He's a bit of a man of mystery to some degree. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Apparently he was a reverend. Is that correct? | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
Yes, he was very much, um, a recluse in the sense | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
that he didn't, sort of, give a lot of information away. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
-Right. Did he own the property? -He owned the property. -He did? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And roughly how much, I mean if it sold off, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
how much do you reckon it would go for? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Probably about 200. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
The estimated £200,000 value of Bryan Bevan's estate | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
means this case has been well worth the chase. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Oh, such a turn up. What a great day. It ended very nicely. | 0:21:54 | 0:22:01 | |
Ewart tries to call the office with the good news, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
but David is already on the phone. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
Paul, um, nothing seems to be breaking. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
-I think you might as well go home. -OK then, Dave. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
The team have now been working on the Bryan Bevan case for ten hours | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
and as no new clues have come through, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
David decides they might as well wind down for the day. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
If I need you tomorrow, then obviously I will call you, yeah? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
-Yeah. OK. -Just out of interest, how long does it take you | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
to get back to Birmingham or to wherever you are? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Hang on two seconds. The GPS is now talking to me. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
It's saying, "Paul, go home." Hang on a second. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
It's probably worth ten pence this job anyway, Dave. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
Yeah, it's about two hours ten, within two-and-a-quarter hours. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Not too bad. So just in case I need you tomorrow, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
-I'll give you a call, yeah? -OK, Dave. -Bye. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
Bye. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Paul is happy to be heading home after his long day in Wales. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
But then, Ewart manages to get through to David. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
-Hello. -Oh, hi, Dave. -Hello, Ewart. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
-Yeah, I've just got some good information. -Go on. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
I've just been speaking to a gentleman called Ken Hill who... | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
He actually lives at the property. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Yeah. Did Mr Bevan, he didn't own a property then? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
-Yeah, he did. Yeah. -Oh, he owned it? -Yeah, he owned it. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
-He owned it? -Yeah, he owned it. He'll probably get about 200,000. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
200 grand. Can you just bear with me for a second? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
It's worth it. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Do you want to speak to Paul | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
and say we may need him back in Pontypridd tomorrow, it's worth it. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Ewart's news now means the heir hunters can't afford to relax. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Slacking off could mean Bryan Bevan's considerable estate | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
snatched from under their noses by the competition. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
David now wants Paul to stay where the heir hunting action is most likely to kick off - in Wales. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:03 | |
Oh, you're... | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
-Pardon? -Is this on the Williams side? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Yeah. We know it's a viable case now for certain. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Oh, right, so there's no real point travelling 120 miles to Birmingham | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
and then travelling 120 miles back, is there? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
Well, I'm just wondering that. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
OK. OK. Well, I'll be staying the night then. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
Yeah, it's a night in Pontypridd or Caerphilly, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
so I've got to turn around, go 20 miles the wrong way | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
and stop the night. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
So, looks like steak's on the menu tonight. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
Thank you and good night. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Coming up - will things get any better for Paul Matthews? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
It's not happening, so it's not a good start to the day. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
And will he ever get home to his family? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
You'll have to phone my wife. She wants to go out. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
-Does she? -I'm not telling her. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
Two years ago, Fraser & Fraser struggled with another large-value case. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
This time, one with an even trickier name than Williams. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
It was the case of a Leonora Smith who died in August 2005, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
leaving an estate worth £230,000. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Smith is the most common surname in Britain, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
with over five million listed in the electoral roll. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
But with persistence and skill, the heir hunters at Fraser & Fraser | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
managed to track down two heirs to Leonora's fortune. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
One of the heirs was Leonora's cousin, 89-year-old Maurice Chalk, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
who lives near Oxford with his collection of over 30 birds. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
Mr Chalk? Yeah, my name's Paul Matthews from Fraser & Fraser, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
a probate research company based in London. We deal with the estate... | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Maurice hadn't seen his cousin Leonora since childhood | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
and the surprise didn't stop there. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
It was only several months after his claim was put in | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
that Maurice found out exactly how much money he'd get. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
They first suggested it might be about £20,000 | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
and, er, it kept on creeping up | 0:26:27 | 0:26:34 | |
and I said, when it got up to 50,000 and 60,000, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
I just said, "Go on, keep going then, keep going." | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
And... | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
And it ended up nearly a hundred, I think. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
Before inheriting his £100,000, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
Maurice, like most pensioners, kept a watchful eye on his spending. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
I couldn't then afford to go out and say, "I want that." | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
Whereas now I can say, "I think I could manage it." | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
And with his windfall, he's allowed himself a special treat - | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
a state of the art camper van. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
I've had now, I think, 12 or 13 of these vans | 0:27:17 | 0:27:23 | |
and each time, I think, "Well this is definitely the last one." | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
The first one I had was a Ford | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
which was £1,700 and now £33,000. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
But the knock on the door by the heir hunters | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
brought Maurice something far more precious than money - | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
a new relative. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
When Fraser & Fraser came, they were questioning me | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
and, er, eventually decided I was the right person | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
and they said, "We don't know exactly how many other possible people there are." | 0:27:54 | 0:28:01 | |
"There might only by one or two," | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
and then they found out that, um, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
there was only one. That was Beverley. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I got a phone call from Frasers out of the blue | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
and they asked whether I could name any other relatives | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
on my father's side. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Maurice is my father's cousin. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
There were a number of cousins in the Haines family. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
Only my father actually had any children, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
so I was sort of the last of the Haines line. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
We had never met. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
I had never seen any of the family. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
From '39 until two years ago is a long time, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
and she thought everybody had passed on, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
including me, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
so it was only by chance that Fraser & Fraser, somehow - | 0:28:50 | 0:28:56 | |
I'm not quite sure how - | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
found that... | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
I was also... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
um... | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
a member of the family. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Family is especially important to Maurice as at 89, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
he's lost his parents and his siblings and | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
tragically Maurice never married | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
because the Second World War came between him and his sweetheart. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
We were very friendly for several months. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
Used to go out, go to the pictures | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
and then I got posted up to Iceland. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
And we wrote regularly, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
with difficulty, because it all had to go through the censors. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
I was there nearly two years and before the end, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:51 | |
we seemed to lose contact | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
and when I came back, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
there was no, er... | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
They weren't there, the family had gone, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
and I never found out any more. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Today Maurice is off to Southampton | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
to visit his newly-discovered second cousin Beverley | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
who he has only met once before. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
He is taking along some family memorabilia. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
These are photo albums which were found | 0:30:17 | 0:30:25 | |
in Leonora's bungalow. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
It's a two-hour drive in his new camper van | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
and Maurice has renewed his driving licence especially. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
So I'm now licensed until, I think, 93. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
His journey takes him across the Swinford toll bridge in Oxfordshire. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
Very expensive. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
-LAUGHING: -Five pence. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
It was two pence. It's gone up. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Old habits die hard, even though he's now not wanting for money. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
Thank you. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
Maurice has travelled 70 miles to see Beverley. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
Now they've discovered each other, they want to make up for lost time. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:08 | |
Oh, here we are. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:09 | |
I found it. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
Together, they look over old photographs, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
trying to piece together some family history. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
-That's me. -Oh, is that you? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:22 | |
That's me. That's my mum. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
That must be what you remember then. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
I should know that, shouldn't I? | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
MAURICE LAUGHS | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
He does remind me of some of the other Haines family members that I've met in the past. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
Just something in the way that he spoke that's quite similar. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
Although Beverley and Maurice barely know each other, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
they soon realise that their families were once very close. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
That's my grandfather, Bert. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
-That's Bert, is it? -Yeah. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
-Well, that's my parents. -Is it? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-Yes. -I don't know where that one was taken then. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
But today, it's still difficult to work out the family connections. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
You're my dad's cousin so what relation am I to you? Is it second cousin? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:08 | |
Second cousin, yes. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
-So Leonora would have been my second cousin as well. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
Beverley shows Maurice a photo of Leonora's house. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Ironically, it's only a few miles from where Beverley now leaves. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
We were so close. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
It's just very sad, isn't it, that I never knew that she lived there, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
-she was a relative. -Mmm. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
Although they didn't visit her when she was alive, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
the cousins decide to pay their respects to Leonora at the cemetery. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
It's just on the corner. She was buried with her parents. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
Leonora's name is on the back of the grave. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Have a look. Come round. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
If Fraser & Fraser hadn't tracked down the heirs to Leonora Smith's £230,000 estate, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
Maurice and Beverley would never have met. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
It's really nice to have Maurice | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
because obviously, my parents are dead, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
so my children haven't got grandparents | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
because my husband's parents are dead as well, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
so it's quite nice for them, I think, to have an older relative | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
and they really think he's quite cool. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
And he drives around in his big camper van. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
They were very impressed. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
It's great news to me | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
to know that there is somebody still around | 0:33:35 | 0:33:41 | |
that, er, I can say is a relative. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
When heirs find out about long-lost relatives, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
their lives can change in amazing ways. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
And you too could help reunite families | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
and lead a relative to a fortune that's rightfully theirs. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
67-year-old Valerie Hawkins died in Southend on Sea in February 2007, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
leaving £25,000. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Her money will go to the government | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
unless you know someone who is part of her family. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Are you related to Valerie Hawkins? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
85-year-old Derek Hood died Gillingham, Kent, in February 2007, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
leaving £44,000. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Are you related to Derek? Should his money go to someone you know? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
81-year-old John Laurence died in Cannock, Staffordshire, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
in February 2007. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
John left nearly £28,000. Are you a relative? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
Should you inherit John's money? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
If you have any information about any of these unclaimed estates, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
then take a look at our website - | 0:34:49 | 0:34:56 | |
It's day two in the search for the heirs to Bryan Bevan's estate. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
After an end-of-day visit by travelling heir hunter Ewart Lindsay | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
the heir hunters now believe the case is worth a potential £200,000. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
-200 grand? -Yeah. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
It's worth it. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
Having over-nighted in Wales after a long day, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
Birmingham-based Paul Matthews is on red alert | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
to respond to any new leads. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:28 | |
The team haven't yet signed up any heirs to the Bevan estate | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and until they do they won't be getting a cut of any of the money | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
and all their hard work will have been for nothing. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
It's 8am in the office and the team are fast at work. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Gareth has just received a copy of Bryan Bevan's grandmother's will | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
and the hunt is racing along. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
This is a brilliant will because it's very clear cut | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
and she's mentioned the majority of her family, certainly her children, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
which is very useful from our point of view. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
So she's been very kind to us here, which is brilliant. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
The will gives the team seven more family members to research. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
It's now up to Paul to collect certificates for any he can track down. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
If he managed to find any death certificates, they'll be particularly useful. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
That's because give the name of the person who has informed the authorities about the death. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
Hopefully, the informant might be the child | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
and that would bring us up to a later date or fairly recent, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
and it may well be the child is still alive. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
If Paul's certificates deliver any living informants, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
they could be Bryan Bevan's relatives and his heirs. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Paul's hoping his overnight stay in Wales will have been worthwhile, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
giving him a head start in front of any rival heir hunters. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
First port of call is Caerphilly registry office | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
and hopefully within an hour or so, we can be knocking on doors. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
But there's a problem. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
-They haven't got them? -No. -Where could they possibly be? | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
We're in the registry office, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
hoping to pop in and get two deaths straight away. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Unfortunately, they're not here, so they should be at Pontypridd. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Pontypridd are saying they haven't got them. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
The other registry offices might possibly cover them. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Bridgend, they haven't got them, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
and the real outsider - Cardiff - we're just checking. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
So whereas I hoped to pop in this morning, get the two deaths, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
get a couple of good informants and go knocking on people's doors, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
it's not happening, so it's not a good start to the day. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Paul phones all of the register offices in this part of Wales. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
We've got to get somewhere sooner or later. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Don't quote me. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
And two hours later, gets a call back from the Pontypridd office. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
-I'll bet you can't guess what they found. -You're joking? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
Paul speeds off to Pontypridd. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
But will certificates be any help? | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
Hopefully, before too long, we'll be doing what we want to do - | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
going to see somebody before the opposition knocks on their door. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
Hopefully, the delay is not going to cost us. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
That death of Hughes, they've now, Pontypridd have now found it. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
He's on his way to pick it up. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:16 | |
At the register office, Paul finally gets his hands on a certificate. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-Thanks a lot. -Thank you for your patience. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-Have you got your pen poised anywhere? -Yeah. Go on. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
OK. This is the death of Sarah Maria Hughes and the informant... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:36 | |
-Yeah? -..is the son. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
-Yeah? -Ronald Howard Hughes. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
-Ronald Howard Hughes? -Yeah. Cheltenham. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
Cheltenham? | 0:38:44 | 0:38:45 | |
Cheltenham. That's nearer to Birmingham than here isn't it? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
Things are looking up for Paul | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
because on the death certificate of Bryan Bevan's aunt, Sarah, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
is a useful informant - her son, Ronald - | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
a cousin of Bryan Bevan. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
He could be the team's next heir if they now manage to find him. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
-You don't know if he's still alive? -Well, no. -We'll check this out. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
The office researchers leap into action | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
and soon find out that Ronald Hughes is actually no longer alive. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
But all is not lost, because he also left a will | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
and in that will is the mention of someone | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
who could prove to be just who they are looking for. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
On the probate of that Mr Hughes, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
there was a daughter mentioned, Helen Salter, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
last known to be living in Cheltenham area. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
So now the maternal side of Bryan Bevan's tree includes a cousin, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
Ronald Hughes, now deceased, and his daughter, Helen Salter. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
If the team can find Helen Salter, she'll be an heir. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Unfortunately, we don't quite have a current address for her. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
Current address. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
In fact, as I say this, I've now been handed a current address. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
All they need to do now is let Paul know. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Hello. If it's not bad news, don't tell me. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
No, no, it's good news. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
I think we've got the client address in Cheltenham for that Salter woman. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
-Oh, right. -I'm sorry if you're going to be a bit late getting home tonight, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
but that's her and that's that. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Yeah you'll have to phone my wife and tell her. She wants to go out. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
-Does she? -I'm not going to tell her. -HE LAUGHS | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Do I look stupid? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
34 hours after starting the Bevan case, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
Paul is on his way to his first heir. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
Helen Salter has been called in advance, so she's expecting him, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
but she has no idea how much the visit will change her life. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
-Mrs Salter? Paul Matthews, Fraser & Fraser. -Come in, darling. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Do come in. -Thank you very much. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
-Down here, yeah? OK. -Come in, yes. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
Nice one. No doubt a bit mystified by all this then? | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
I am indeed, yes. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
We don't know the size of the estate. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Um we think, but you can't quote us on this, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
it's worth over £200,000, the estate. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
That's not all coming your way, by the way. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-It depends how many people we find. -Right. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
Any money will make a difference to 63-year-old divorcee Helen, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
who works full-time as a care home warden. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I would love to have retired at 60, but I couldn't afford to. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
I'm with the council. Now you can stay until you're 65, so... | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
-Oh, right. Well, you never know, you might get a few bob out of this. -Oh, it would be wonderful. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
Paul goes through the inheritance paperwork, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
so Helen can put in the claim for her share of the £200,000. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
-All the very best for the future. -Thank you very much. -Nice meeting you. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
-I hope you get a nice sum of money. Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
At first I didn't believe it | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
and then I just, sort of, started shaking. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
It was totally out of the blue. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
After two frustrating days of getting nowhere fast, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
eventually, we got to see a first cousin once removed, Helen Salter. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Lovely, lovely lady. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
We can't give any guarantees on the size of the estate, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
but if it turns out what we think, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
then she should get a good sum of money. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
She's very excited about it, so it's good all round. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
She's signed on the dotted line | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
so Frasers is going to get something out of it at the end of the day. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
She's going to get hopefully a life-changing amount of money, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
put it to some good use. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Hopefully she can do what she wants to do and retire. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
And so yeah, so after a frustrating day, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
at least now we've got an end result, so it's good news for me, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
for the company and at this late hour of the night, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
I can go back home to Birmingham, so good news all round. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Back in London, spirits are high. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Right. That's the end of another day. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
See you tomorrow, Dave. I'll miss you. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
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