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Every year, thousands of people die with no will and with no apparent relatives. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Tracking down their long-lost families is a job for the heir hunters. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
On today's programme, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
the heir hunters are faced with the emotional story of a family that loses everything. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
To have all those memories disappear | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
so suddenly is just heartbreaking. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
And in the quest for heirs, a case takes the hunt across the sea | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
to Canada and one of the worst shipping disasters of the 20th century. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
The impact was so quick that most people just drowned in their cabins basically. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
I mean, that was the reality of it. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Plus how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
Could you have thousands of pounds heading your way? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Less than one in three people in the UK make a will. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
For those who don't, if no obvious relatives are found, their money goes straight to the Government. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
Last year, a staggering £18 million went to the Treasury in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Over 30 companies make it their business to track down the rightful heirs to this money. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
Last year alone, they claimed back over £6.5 million. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
It's run by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
One of the areas I enjoy is the sort of mystery element of it. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
And it's being able to deal with that and bring it to a successful conclusion. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
That's one of the thrills of the job really. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
They make their commission by solving cases and signing up heirs. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Since they began over 30 years ago, they've reunited over 50,000 heirs | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
with the whopping sum of over £100 million. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
It's Thursday, the day the Government's list of unclaimed estates is published | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
and the team are scouring through the potential cases. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
That's a good possibility. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
As the values of the estates are not known, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
the first job for the heir hunters is to identify those where a property is involved. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
-Well, it's on the border of Wales. -Absolutely. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Because that's usually a good indication that an estate will be worth a sizable amount of money. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
One case they've chosen is that of Beryl Evans, whose maiden name was Davies. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
After a short spell in hospital, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
she died on the 27th September 2008 in Shrewsbury, on the Welsh borders. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
She left a bungalow and a plot of land estimated to be worth around £100,000, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
making it a potentially profitable case for the heir hunters to pursue. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
Born in 1927, Beryl had lived in the area all her life | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
and had worked as a nurse at the local Greenfields Hospital. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
She married Frank Evans, a wood machinist, in 1949. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
They never had children, but had been happily married until his death in 2000. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
Frank's sister, Irene, was a great friend of Beryl's. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
Beryl was a very kind person. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
She would help anyone and was never disagreeable. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
She was... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
Well, we were more like sisters than sister-in-laws. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
To see Beryl ill so suddenly... | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
It was really... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
heartbreaking really to see such a well person | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
just go like that. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Beryl and Frank had lived first in the cottages | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
and then in the bungalow on the land that had been in his family for hundreds of years. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
The cottages were of very sentimental value to me. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:27 | |
They were where I was born and all my happy childhood was there. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
My whole lifetime of memories are there | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
and to have all those memories disappear | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
so suddenly is just heartbreaking. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
If Beryl had left a will, the property and land could have stayed in the Evans family. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Sadly, she didn't and now legally only blood relations can inherit, which Irene is not. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
The researchers in the office make a start on tracking down Beryl's family. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
There's going to be a hell of a lot of Davies to Evans. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
It's not the best search. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Davies and Evans are very common names, especially on the Welsh borders, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
and there could be thousands of results, which would take the team weeks to sort through. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
If we had better names, we would be able to do the search from her maiden name to her married name | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
and we'd get the name from her marriage. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
I think if we looked for a marriage between Evans and Davies, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
we probably would get 10,000 of them, so it's not something we can do. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
Anyone done a Davies to Davies marriage search in Oswestry? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
The first search produced 40-odd births. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
David Pacifico, Frasers' longest-serving case manager is heading up the Evans job. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
Right, can you get somebody to do a marriage search? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Davies to Davies, Oswestry. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Despite his 37 years of heir hunting experience, he's struggling to get this case moving. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:05 | |
To make the difference, to help us, we need the birth of the deceased to find out who are the parents. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
We can then kill them off and go from there. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
And if she has got close kin, then we'll hopefully find it. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
The birth certificate will reveal Beryl's place of birth | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
and the names of her mother and father, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
giving the researchers a place to start in hunting for living family. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
But as they go to order the all-important certificates, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
the team face a frustrating setback with the register office. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Unbelievable! Well, this is, to me, it's just typical of this country. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
We're waiting to get certificates because we can't go into a register office and pick 'em up. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:43 | |
It's all done through a call centre now | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
and we've had to pay way, way over the odds to actually get them back today. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
To find living heirs, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
the researchers need to create an accurate family tree, working through each generation. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:57 | |
The certificates provide crucial names, dates and locations, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
which are the clues the heir hunters rely on to build a tree and find the right family. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
They are the cornerstone of heir hunting. Without them, their job is almost impossible. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
It is very much up in the air. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
It's because you can't walk into a register office Shropshire | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
and pick up a certificate. Daft, absolutely daft. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
By the time we get the births... | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
We're not going to get that until this afternoon. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
There's no register office to get it. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
This crucial avenue of research is closed off, but the team must do something | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
or they could lose this case to the competition. It's time for the investigation to change tack. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:36 | |
This is a case that can be solved by talking to people. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
It's not going to be solved by waiting for a certificate. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
The team makes speculative calls to people in the Shrewsbury area with the name Evans. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
Sorry to trouble you. Would that be Beryl Evans? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
-Ah! Erm, in that case I actually think I've got the wrong number. -There's nothing to worry about. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Erm, we're just researching into this estate, so... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
They're hoping to speak to someone who may know of the deceased. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Right, OK. So there's people called Davies living in Sweeney Mountain, in Gobowen. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
OK. Well, obviously, what I'll have to do is try to get hold of Irene | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
in Sweeney Mountain and see where we go from there. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
OK, thanks. Bye. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
I've just spoken to a neighbour who has told me that she's left a bungalow and some ground. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:23 | |
And the neighbour, who coincidentally was called Evans, but I'm sure there's no relation, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:31 | |
seems to be of the impression that she might have had some brothers | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
who have children who live, in theory, not far from Beryl. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
What would have taken hours of database research has been done with a few well-placed phone calls. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
They've got a lead on some family information. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Now they need someone on the ground who can take up the hunt. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Frasers have a network of travelling heir hunters spanning the length and breadth of the country. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:03 | |
They go wherever the hunt takes them, sniffing out clues and following leads. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
They pick up records, talk to those who knew the deceased | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
and make door to door enquiries, all in the race to find and sign up heirs. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:16 | |
Ex-police sergeant Paul Matthews is their Midlands-based heir hunter | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
and is closest the Shropshire/Wales border. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
There's only about six houses in that sort of area where she lived. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
'One of the people hopefully you're gonna see would be a Doreen Evans. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
'It's been suggested that she had brothers and they in turn had sons, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
'living in a place called Sweeney Mountain.' | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
But go to that place and | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
'knock on all the doors if necessary.' | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
Paul's off to the Shropshire villages on the border of Wales, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
where research often involves a more direct approach. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
The office have made some enquiries now from the address. They've spoken to somebody in the area. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
It looks as though it's a working case and hopefully we can find some relatives within a short time. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
You do get some good information by visiting addresses where they used to live. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
It is still worthwhile going and knocking on the door, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
cos sometimes you do get some good breakthroughs from doing that. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
As Paul heads off to do his enquiries, the office have narrowed down their searches | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
and have come across something intriguing. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
We could have a bit of a problem because it's possible she might be born illegitimate. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
But only because the best birth that we've got has the same maiden name as... | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
The mother's maiden name was the same as the name she was born under, but could be a Davies married a Davies. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:51 | |
Can't rule anything out, you know. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
The heir hunters know from experience that when a child takes their mother's maiden name | 0:10:53 | 0:11:00 | |
this can mean there's no registered father, making them illegitimate. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
But as they can't actually confirm any of the information with their records, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
they can't move the case forward. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
All hopes now rest with Paul Matthews. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
He's meeting Doreen Evans, who Tony Pledger called earlier in the day. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
She lives in the area and may be able to give Paul some clues. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
What do you know about Beryl, who passed away? Do you know who she was married to? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
Frank, Frank Evans, yes. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Did Beryl ever have visitors? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
-Only Lindup, her second name was, from up Sweeney Mountain. -Whereabouts is that? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:39 | |
By the little cottages at the end of the road, very near. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
And you turn up there to Sweeney Mountain. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
If Beryl had a regular visitor, they probably knew her well | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
and could be key to unlocking some family information. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
The hunt takes Paul towards Sweeney Mountain, where Beryl last lived. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
It's always helpful to speak to someone who's in the area. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
They seem to think there's nephews up in Sweeney Mountain, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
but, er... I don't know where we are. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Down the small country lanes, the combination of Doreen's directions | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
and Paul's hi-tech gadgets have left him scratching his head. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
I don't know, cos there's areas up there as well. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
God knows! | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
GPS, as usual, put me in the middle of a field. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Whilst Paul goes astray on the Welsh borders, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
back in the office, Fran has had a breakthrough with the Shropshire Records Office call centre. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:37 | |
The heir hunters can't get their hands on the certificates, but she's found out what's written on them | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
and it confirms Dave's suspicions about Beryl's birth. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
-Margaret is the mother. No father. -No. It's Margaret Davies, Treflach. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:53 | |
That's it. It ties in. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Margaret Davies of Treflach. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
-Roger. -She was born in Morda House. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
-Morda is right in that right area. -It ties up. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
The information reveals that Beryl's registered place of birth was Morda House, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
which was the local workhouse. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Established in 1792, it was built to house 300 people, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
including the old, the infirm, the orphaned and unmarried girls who fell pregnant, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:25 | |
such as Margaret Davies, Beryl's mother. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Workhouse regimes were harsh and conditions spartan. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
But it was at least a place of food and shelter for the local poor. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:38 | |
The Morda workhouse eventually became Greenfields Hospital, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
the place Beryl went on to work at all her life as a nurse. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
But the heir hunters don't know anything about Beryl's family. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
Thankfully, Paul has finally found his way to the village where she lived for 40 years. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
Did you know the lady who passed away? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
He's hoping to tap into the local grapevine for information. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
She was a widow, very independent, quite a hardy old stick. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
The sister-in-law. Who was the sister-in-law married to? Any idea? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
The sister-in-law was her deceased husband's sister. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-So that's a non-blood relative then I'm afraid. -Is it. Yeah. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
She helped Beryl a lot and used to have her round to lunch. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Do you know anything at all about Beryl's...? Did she have brothers and sisters? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Well, apparently, there may be some long-lost relatives in Ireland, who have probably died by now. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
They didn't come to the funeral. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
They don't know where they are. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:34 | |
I think the sister's trying to trace them. Irene will tell you far more about it than I can. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
-OK. -She's known her for years. I've been here a year. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
-OK. Any idea how long Beryl had lived here for? -Oh, 40 years or so. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
They had the bungalow built. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Yeah, planted those trees across there. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
-Is that the bungalow there? -Yeah. And that enormous garden round it. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
It doesn't look modern. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
It's a mean little bungalow, but the plot is wonderful. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Paul's discovered that Beryl's regular visitor was her sister-in-law, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Irene, who seems to be the person who knew her best. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
I'm told she's very good for her age, so hopefully | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
she can tell us a little bit more about Beryl. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Will Irene, the sister of Beryl's husband, Frank, give them the breakthrough they're looking for? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
Do you know who Beryl's mum was? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Margaret Davies, I think her name was. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Do you know if she had any brothers or sisters? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
Yes, she had at least one... Two sisters, I think. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
Were they Oswestry as well? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Morda, by Oswestry. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
-So it's Morda, Oswestry? -Yeah. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Do you know if Annie had children? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
She had about four, I think. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Any idea of their names? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
Dennis. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
-Dennis, yeah. -Mary. -Yeah. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Violet. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
And, er... Oh, there was another one. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
I forget his name. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
It's a male though, yeah? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-A male, yes. -A son, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Irene has confirmed that Beryl did have a sister, Betty, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
who may be deceased. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
She's also confirmed that Beryl's mother, Margaret Davies, had two sisters. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
Mary died without living children, so the family line comes to a dead end. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
But Margaret's other sister, Sarah "Annie", did have children who could be heirs. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:43 | |
But in the hunt to track them down, the team are about to uncover something | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
that could throw a real spanner in the works. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
-God! -I don't know. Have we fallen down here? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
-I'm a bit concerned now. -Right, OK. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Tracing family members from very little information is the tough part of heir hunting. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
But as one of the oldest probate companies in the UK, established almost 90 years ago, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
Hoopers have a wealth of experience in tracking down missing beneficiaries | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
when all other trails have gone cold. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Could I get someone to look for a death for me? Anna? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
Mike Tringham, chairman of the company, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
started out as a junior researcher and has spent 35 years solving difficult cases. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
Yeah, that's him. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
Sometimes we come across a case which just really looks unsolvable | 0:17:33 | 0:17:41 | |
and those cases get the juices flowing. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
And cases don't come much tougher than the case of Ernest Phythian, who died in 2003. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:52 | |
Although the unusual name sounds like it should be an easy hunt, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
for experienced heir hunters it was his name that almost was Mike and Hoopers' undoing. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:01 | |
We were given the death certificate for Charles Ernest Phythian. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
Unusual name in itself. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
If that had been his original name, our job, possibly, would have been a lot easier. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
But the fact was, he adopted that name by change of name back in 1953 | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
and, in fact, he was born as Ernest McLoughlin and we know that because that's stated in the deed poll. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:27 | |
Ernest Phythian died at the Moss View Nursery Home in Toxteth, in Liverpool, aged 94. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:36 | |
Born in 1909, Ernest had been fostered by the Phythian family, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
eventually taking their name as his own. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Married to his childhood sweetheart, Edna, in 1937, they had 50 years of marriage before she died. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:51 | |
Ernest and Edna hadn't had any children and no other family members related to Ernest could be found. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
He left no will, but did leave an estate worth £50,000, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
so it was a valuable case for Mike to pursue, even if at first glance it looked unsolvable. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:09 | |
He was fostered. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
He was fostered by the Phythian family and so he wasn't probably brought up by his parents | 0:19:12 | 0:19:19 | |
at any stage in his life, or at least not since his infancy. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
So we're already getting a vague idea or vague picture of what might have occurred | 0:19:23 | 0:19:29 | |
around the time of the deceased's birth. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
As Ernest had never been legally adopted by the Phythians, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
it was his biological parents that Mike needed to look into. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Mike knew from his birth certificate that Ernest's father was Michael McLoughlin | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
and his mother, Edith Greenfield. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
Mike started to search on the only information he had, their names. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
We discovered that there were at least 12 Michael McLoughlins born every year, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:03 | |
so unfortunately on this rare occasion we had to draw a line under our research | 0:20:03 | 0:20:10 | |
and that's what decided us to turn our attention to the mother's side. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
The researchers needed to find Edith Greenfield, who would have been of childbearing age in 1909. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:23 | |
They found over 50. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
That was too many to research, so we tried to narrow it down to the north-west of England, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
covering a number of counties, but the numbers were still too many. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
There were in excess of 20 in Lancashire. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Right, looking for Greenfield. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Mike's years of heir hunting experience led him to now follow a hunch. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
One of the 20 caught his attention because she had so little documentation. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
There seemed to be no marriage record for her, no death record for her, | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
no trace whatsoever for her | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
and that immediately raised my suspicions about this particular Edith. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:11 | |
So she immediately became a bit of a mystery woman. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
So that is when we decided to target her and her family. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:22 | |
Mike didn't know whether this was the right Edith, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
but working totally speculatively, he found details of her family from the Census. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:31 | |
She was born in 1882 in Toxteth Park in Liverpool, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
the same place Ernest had been born. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
John and Ruth Greenfield were her parents and she had four sisters, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
Amy, Beatrice, Adelaide and Jane. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
And a call to one of their descendants turned up more than Mike could have hoped for. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
What really struck me... | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
you know, that moment where you almost fall off your chair... | 0:21:55 | 0:22:01 | |
was when she mentioned Canada and almost in passing | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
she'd mentioned that she thought her mother had relatives who went to Canada. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
I began to think to myself, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
"Well, just supposing, just what if this Edith Greenfield | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
"decided that she'd had enough of life in Liverpool, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
"things hadn't been going very well, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
"she parcelled off her new-born child to foster parents, or whatever, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
"and decided to make a new life for herself in Canada?" | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
During the 19th century, the Liverpool docks emerged | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
as the main emigrant port from Europe to the New World, as it was then known. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
As the steamships got bigger and were able to take more passengers, turn of the century Liverpool | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
saw thousands of people coming through the port. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
What happened very commonly is one group of people | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
would come out from one area of one community | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
and they would write back | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
and that would build up a momentum for sort of big swaths | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
of communities from areas in places right across Europe to join them. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
So you got communities settling in similar areas in North America also. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
So you had this sort of traffic going across. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
But also you had economic conditions in Britain... | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
I mean, you had an urban centre like somewhere like Liverpool, which was overcrowded, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
there was masses of poverty, so on a personal level it was very much a personal choice to improve | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
one's opportunities in life, just like anybody emigrating today would probably make similar decisions. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:38 | |
For Edith, as a single, unmarried mother, emigration may well have been her chance for a better life. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
Coming from somewhere like Toxteth she would have been very conscious | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
of a lot of people moving through the port who were doing the same thing, so to migrate to another | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
country, to North America, perhaps wouldn't have been such a big deal. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
If Edith Greenfield had emigrated to Canada, leaving the young Ernest in the UK, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
the researchers would need the help of their overseas agent to take up the hunt. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
I contacted our office in Toronto and got our man, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
Malcolm, on the case and told him to get stuck into it. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Mike then started checking Liverpool emigration records, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
trying to glean any information he could about Edith's family. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
It turned out that between 1909 and 1914, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
Edith and two of her sisters, Amy and Jane, emigrated to Canada, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
leaving the other two sisters in Liverpool. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
He also discovered that their mother, Ruth Greenfield, Ernest's grandmother, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
had been caught up in one of the great shipping disasters of the 20th century. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
The Empress of Ireland was built in 1906 by Canadian Pacific to target the emigrant trade. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:59 | |
It would have taken around the region of 1,500 passengers and crew. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
You know, you would have had in the region of between 700 and 800 third-class passengers | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
and then less second-class and then less again first-class | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
and then maybe in the region of between 400 and 500 crew members. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
The Empress of Ireland was leaving Canada, leaving Quebec, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
in sort of the late afternoon on May 29th in 1914. Regular voyage. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
There wasn't anything unusual. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
But what happened was, when it was travelling along the Saint Lawrence River, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
some patchy fog began to descend. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
By, sort of, the early hours of the morning, the fog had become very, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
very thick indeed, so the captain, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Captain Kendall, made to decision to stop the ship for safety reasons. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
But another ship was on the river and through the dense fog, it didn't see the Empress of Ireland. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
The Storstad, a Norwegian collier, struck the liner midship | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
on the starboard side and inflicted fatal damage. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
The engine room flooded, so the watertight doors couldn't be operated | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
and it just... I mean, the damage was so bad that the ship literally listed and sank within 15 minutes. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:21 | |
So it was an horrific scenario. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
The bulk of people were fast asleep. They didn't know what was happening | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
and, of course, the impact was so quick that there was no response time. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
I think they managed to get four lifeboats out, but most people just drowned in their cabins, basically. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:41 | |
I mean, that was the reality of it. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
And there were over 1,000 fatalities. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
It was a huge, huge tragedy. I mean, on the scale of Titanic. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Edith's mother, Ruth, a member of the Salvation Army, was on board, bound for England. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:59 | |
There were about 200 Salvation Army members. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Possibly Ruth Greenfield was one of these. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
150 of them perished out of the 200, in the region of, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
and they were all coming over for an international conference in the UK. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
So it was quite possible that Ruth was travelling for that purpose. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
After discovering the tragic death of Ruth Greenfield on the Empress of Ireland, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
the Canadian team then managed to find a record of her daughter, Edith. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Malcolm came up with the goods. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
He discovered a marriage certificate for an Edith Greenfield, which fitted the bill. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:42 | |
This marriage to an Edward Lane was key. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
It meant Ernest's mother, the elusive Edith, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
finally reappeared in official records and her trail could be picked up again. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
Mike then found out that she'd had a son, John, but was this actually Ernest's mother, Edith? | 0:27:54 | 0:28:01 | |
And so, was her son, John, really related to Ernest Phythian, born Ernest McLoughlin? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
Mike had been working from hunches all along and still didn't know for sure. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
But looking into John's records, he saw a name that just jumped off the page. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
He was known as John McLoughlin Lane | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
and you can imagine our delight when we discovered | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
this piece of information, because all the pieces fell into place. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
It vindicated all the work and effort we'd put in. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
McLoughlin was the name that tied them together | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
and further investigations confirmed that John was Edith's illegitimate son | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
and therefore a half-brother to Ernest. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
In fact, with her husband, Edward Lane, Edith had three further daughters, Marjorie, Enid and Alma. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:52 | |
The children of these half-brothers and sisters to Ernest would go on to inherit his £50,000 estate. | 0:28:54 | 0:29:01 | |
In total, there were ten half-nephews and nieces. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
Sheila Milne was a relative Mike found in the UK. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Although not an heir to Ernest's money, what she gained from him was worth far more to her. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:15 | |
My parents died when I was in my early 20s, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
so it was a feeling of I was pretty much on my own as far as relations were concerned. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
And then going through all this experience and learning about Ernest | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
and learning about my great-aunts and the rest of the family, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
it's been a wonderful feeling. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
It's just I now have more family out there. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
And I would like to get in touch with them. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
Through Mike, Sheila's wish had been granted. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
For the first time in their lives, and through the wonders of modern technology, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
Sheila is about to be reunited with her second cousin, Maureen Boychuck, in Canada. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
-Maureen? -Hi, you! -How are you? | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
It's fantastic to speak to you. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
Oh, yes. Same to you. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
I've already got the tears in my eyes. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Don't start. You'll start me off. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Oh, what a day! I thought this would never happen. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
It's wonderful. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
It's very emotional. You've got to stop crying. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
My emotion's very weird. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
I've grown up in foster homes. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
I just see my brothers and and my... | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
I never knew there was an extended family like there is now. You know... | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
It's... | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Ah... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Well, Ernest's death has actually brought a lot of family back together and reunited a family, which is nice. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:54 | |
It's a shame that we never got to meet him. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
I'm grateful to Ernest that he didn't make a will. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
He's just made my life so much richer. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still those that stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:17 | |
Over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
that someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
With estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
Could you be the key? Could you be in line for a payout? | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
Maria Gomez Lopez, a spinster from Lewisham in London, passed away back in May 2008. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
So far her relatives have proved elusive. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
Is this a name you remember from your family? | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Morwynna Harding, born Morwynna Tucker, died in Torrington in Devon in May 2008. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:09 | |
97 years old, she outlived her husband, Edgar, and daughter, Ruby. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
Could she be a distant relative? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
Could you be in line for a payout? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Finding out just who is entitled to a payout from an estate | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
where no will has been left can be a very difficult process and not just for the heir hunters. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
The team at Fraser and Fraser have been looking into the case of Beryl Evans, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
since it appeared on the Treasury's list early this morning. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
-The first search produced 40-odd births. -What about marriages? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
After spending the day knocking on doors of friends and neighbours in Shropshire... | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Did you know the lady who passed away at all? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
Travelling heir hunter, Paul Matthews found Irene Lindup, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
the sister of Beryl's deceased husband, Frank. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
Did Beryl have any brothers or sisters? | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
She had one sister. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
It turns out that Beryl's bungalow and land, which formed the bulk of the estimated £100,000 estate, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:11 | |
had been in Frank and Irene's family for generations. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
Irene was even born in the cottages, which were there before the bungalow. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
On Frank's death, the land and property | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
passed over to his wife, Beryl, changing the family ownership. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
I've had the key to Beryl's bungalow | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
till this week. My brother had the bungalow built, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:37 | |
but it's pointless me hanging on to the key when it's nothing more to do with me. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:44 | |
This is the end of it for me. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
There's nothing more for me to go round for now. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:55 | |
As Beryl sadly left no will, the property won't be staying in Irene's family. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
It and any other money in the estate can now only be inherited by the Treasury or blood relatives, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
Beryl's distant family that she had never actually been in contact with. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:12 | |
The house was built by her brother, so I think probably the moral thing | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
to happen was for it to go to Irene, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
but that's not the way it's going to happen because Irene's not a blood relative. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
So, in the eyes of the law, it goes to the bloodline. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
So it's what happens when people don't make wills | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
and the estate doesn't go to where they want it to go to, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
but there you go. We can't change that. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
OK, thanks, Paul. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Bye. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
There was a sister that married somebody called Roberts and had several children. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
We've got some information. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
Irene has however provided the team with the key family information that will finally move the case forward. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:54 | |
This other sister married a Roberts... | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
and had four children. Dennis. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
Mary, who went off to Liverpool. Violet, who married a Bill Evans, that was... | 0:35:01 | 0:35:07 | |
and another male. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
So we've got a Davies to a Roberts. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
According to the bloodline, the first entitled to inherit would be Beryl's sister, the elusive Betty. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:19 | |
But tracking her down is not looking hopeful. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
We can't at the moment identify her birth or anything else. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
I'm told that she died in Ireland. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
It may be something we may never be able to really... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
But what we have got is potentially cousins | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
and although there may someone closer outstanding, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
if we can't get anywhere on that, we've got to go to cousins. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Census searches on the aunts are the next step. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
The Census told us that Margaret Ellen had two sisters, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:54 | |
a Mary M and a Sarah E | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
and that her father was called William and her mum was an "E. A.", | 0:35:56 | 0:36:04 | |
which we've now found out is an Elizabeth Anne. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Beryl's mother Margaret Davies did have two sisters. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
One, Mary, died without living children. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
But the other, Sarah "Annie", known just as Annie, looks like she may have living family. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
Let's see if we can marry them up and find an address for one of them. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
One of Annie's children, Dennis Roberts, is coming up on the searches. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
He would be a first cousin to Beryl. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Trouble is, there's not one, but two in the area. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
'Your destination is ahead.' | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Paul's got a 50-50 chance of picking the right one. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
Right, well, we've got two addresses in Oswestry, both of Dennis Roberts. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
Erm, the one we've tried, there's no reply on the phone, so we went round to pop round | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
the other one, who's right on age, but unfortunately it's the wrong one. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
So it's the other Dennis Roberts in Oswestry that we've got to go and sort out. So sod's law, innit? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
Half a mile to the next Dennis Roberts. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
Will the real Dennis Roberts please stand up? | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Now the team have good, confirmed, family information, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
they can move quickly on investigating the other cousins. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
-Violet May... -Yeah. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
Born 15th September '24 in Sweeney Road. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
Sweeney as in Sweeney Mountain, yeah? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
-It's a place. -Yeah, Oswestry. -Yeah. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
Violet May Evans, Dennis's sister and a cousin of Beryl's, is found to be deceased. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:43 | |
But the team have just located her will and her estate has been left | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
to her children, John and Susan, who it appears are still in the area. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
That's two first cousins, once removed of the deceased, erm, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
actually living, I think, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
on one of the roads which is on the corner of the first cousin we had, of Dennis. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:07 | |
So the two children of that Evans one, we have up to date addresses and phone numbers for them. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
And it sort of makes that Dennis address, which we sent Paul round to earlier, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:18 | |
it makes that stronger because of the closeness of the family. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Quite often we find that they're living on neighbouring roads and stuff. So that's all good. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:27 | |
Dave contacts one of them, John Evans, to break the news. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
Mr Evans, we're looking into an estate going back through the Davies side of the family. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
We're trying to track down the blood relations, to which your mother, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
had she still been alive, we believe would have been a potential beneficiary. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
But he gets some unexpected news of his own. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Morris? Morris Davies? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
How was he...? How did? | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Erm, we don't know about Morris. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
So this would be your grandmother's sister? | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
Right. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:06 | |
Ah, this is... Can I just say, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
you remember his grandmother having a sister called Alice who married a Mr Morris? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
-Is the only... -Oh, God! -I don't know. Have we fallen down here? | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
-I'm a bit concerned now. -Right, OK. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
It's almost the end of the day and just as Dave was thinking they had it all sewn up... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
Right, let's go down to see the troops. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
He's found out there could be a whole other branch to the family. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Alice Davies, another of Beryl's aunts, married a Llewellyn Morris and they had children. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
It seems there are even more heirs to track down. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
If John Evans is right, that is another branch we didn't know about. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
We need more information about this Alice Davies who married Morris. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
And it may well be that Dennis or Mary will have more information, you know. | 0:39:54 | 0:40:00 | |
We're getting there. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
And they may even know more about the deceased and her so-called sister. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
That would be even...something else. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Paul Matthews has been on the go for almost 12 hours and he's only now | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
about to see his first heirs and hopefully sign them up. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
And your date of birth? You can't lie on this occasion. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
John and Susan Evans are Beryl's first cousins, once removed. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
-So we've got your grandmother's sister was Alice? -Yeah. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
-She had two children? -Yeah. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
The first child was Marjorie? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
-Marjorie. -Yeah. -The other one was Mickey. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
We've got Marjorie marrying somebody called Roberts? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
-Yeah. -And there's three children, Malcolm, Steven and Penny. -Penny, I think, yeah. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
They are able to fill in lots of the gaps on Beryl's Aunt Alice's branch of the family tree. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
I think we've done very well. We've drained you of information. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Once they've signed the contracts, the claim can be submitted on their behalf | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
and Frasers will make their commission. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
But it seems John and Susan know nothing of Beryl's existence. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
As an illegitimate child born in the 1920s, it looks like she may well have been a family secret. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:13 | |
All I know is it's on me grandmother's side somewhere, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
but we've never really delved into the family tree or anything, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
so you know, we've no idea. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
We've got family all over the place, but I can't imagine for the life of me who the missing link is. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:30 | |
-Thank you very much. -And for Paul Matthews it's a successful end to a long day. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
We've made some good inroads. It's nearly half nine at night, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
so I've had 13 hours on the road so far, so well and truly shattered. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
So looking forward to getting home, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
have a bit of kip and then get up in the morning and start all over again. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
The heirs will get their share of Beryl's estate, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
which is thought to be worth £100,000. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
But it's a different story for Beryl's best friend and sister-in-law, Irene. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
Obviously, she's not going to get anything from this. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
And sometimes you have to feel, well, she probably deserves it | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
and if only there was a will, then she may be several hundred thousand pounds better off. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
I would have preferred Beryl to | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
write a will and we would know then | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
who she really wanted to pass it on to. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
I miss Beryl terrible. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
I've got no-one else to go out with. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
She was my bosom friend. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
So this has been a big wrench in my life. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
I'm really sad to have lost everything. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
All I have now is a memory. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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