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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Heir hunting company, Fraser and Fraser have a tough day with the heirs on a hugely competitive case. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
Could you just give me two minutes so I can ask you some family information? Nothing else, please. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
-It's all sorted out now. Don't bother me again. I'm OK. -What... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
And the heir hunters find themselves looking into the estate of a free spirited academic. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
She was different, I suppose, in the life that she chose for herself. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:59 | |
She did something that in those days, it was quite adventurous. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:06 | |
Plus how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
Could you have thousands of pounds heading your way? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
More than two-thirds of people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
If no obvious relatives are found, their money goes to the Government | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
and last year they made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
There are more than 30 heir hunting companies who make it their business to track down the rightful kin. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
It is run by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Our job is incredibly exciting. We're tracing family trees, delving back into people's history, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
delving back in time and looking at the hidden mysteries around people's families. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
In its 30-year history, it's tracked down over 50,000 heirs entitled to a whooping sum of over £100 million. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:10 | |
It's 7am on Thursday and the team are looking into the Treasury's list | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
of unclaimed estates, which was published overnight. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
We've got to get these addresses. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
They've chosen several cases to follow and are cracking on with the initial research. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
I'm expecting it to be quite active today, quite competitive really, and fingers crossed we'll do well. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:41 | |
One case they're following is that of Joan Hack, whose maiden name was Galloway. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
She died alone in 2002 in Bangor, North Wales. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
She had no brothers and sisters and no children, but for many years | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
had lived with her husband in a small village on Anglesey. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
It was after his sudden death that Joan became more withdrawn from the community. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
Her neighbours, Richard and Helen Daniel, knew her better than most. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Definitely she was a bit of a loner. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
When Victor passed away, her husband passed away, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
it left, you know, a hole, basically. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
And I don't think she could ever bridge that gap, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
because she wasn't a socialiser with the village community. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
You can't explain it, really. She was all right when he was alive. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
She used to speak to people, but when he went, she wasn't the same. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
She stopped speaking to the people in the village then, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and people tried to help her, but she didn't want to know. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
She didn't leave a will, and her property, a small bungalow, was left unclaimed. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:46 | |
I'm nearly certain that there was no close family. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
You know, I never saw anybody there as relatives | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
in visiting their property. No, definitely not. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Sadly, since her death, the house has fallen into disrepair. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
But despite its current condition, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Joan's total estate is estimated to be worth as much as £200,000. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
The investigation is being run by one of the longest-serving | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
case managers, David Milchard, also known in the office as Grimble. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
I've got a little job called Joan Evelyn Galloway. It looks like she's coming out of the Liverpool area. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:32 | |
Got no near kin, so we're going for cousins. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
To track down any heirs, the researchers need to piece together a family tree. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
Working out generation by generation who the relatives are and if any are still alive. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
Fraser's aren't the only company working the Treasury list. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
With rival firms chasing the same cases, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
the team need to keep one step ahead of the competition and find this information as fast as they can. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
How are we getting on with the census? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
The UK Census, produced every ten years, lists all the members | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
of each household and gives key information to get the hunt started. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
I've got the census on the mother's side and I'm now looking | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
for the census on the father's side to confirm the top line if we can. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
From the census they've already identified Joan's parents - James Galloway and Evelyn Littleton, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:25 | |
at least one uncle on the mother's side and seven aunts | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
and one uncle on the father's side. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
Now they need to find their descendants in order to find living beneficiaries. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
Through the records, the team have also uncovered some of her paternal grandfather's interest in history. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
Born in 1843 Edinburgh, James Galloway moved | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
to the boom town of Liverpool to pursue a career in shipbuilding. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
In the late 19th century, Liverpool was the second port | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
of the British Empire and a hub of shipping and ship making. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
With the Merseyside docks at its heart, the population of the city trebled. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
James began as a boiler cleaner, but moved up the ranks to become a contractor and it seems he ended up | 0:06:06 | 0:06:14 | |
an influential man with a Liverpool road named after him. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Records reveal that all but one of the James's children were born in West Derby, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
a district of Liverpool, and the team believe many of the descendants will still live in the area today. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:30 | |
The researchers need to find birth, death and marriage records for all | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
the aunts and uncles to find their descendants who would be heirs. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
All the births, deaths and marriages are on our machines and it's just a case of trawling | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
through them and making sure, you know, we don't miss anything and doing it as quickly as possible. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
With a lot of family, there's a lot of searches to do. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:52 | |
I need at least two people to help me and Dom. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
Al, worklist, mate. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Getting somewhere at last. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
The office are in high spirits and with lots of people now working the case, they quickly come across | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
the marriage records of Joan's paternal uncle, Joseph Galloway to an Eliza Burns and this leads | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
to the births of their children, George, Joseph, Cyril and Jessie. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
It also seems that 81-year-old Jessie, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
a first cousin to Joan, may still be alive. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
If the Heir Hunters can speak to her, she may have some vital clues to the rest of the family, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
so they need to contact her as soon as they can. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
The uncle, Joseph, who had four children, we've got one of his daughters still living in Liverpool. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
I tried to call her, but the line is engaged. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm now trying to get Paul Matthews, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
who is about 15 miles away from Liverpool, to go and call on her. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
Fraser's employs a squadron of travelling Heir Hunters | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
who are ready to go wherever the hunt takes them. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Their job is to sniff out new clues and follow new leads. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
To help the case, they rush round the country collecting vital birth, death and marriage certificates | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
as well as interviewing neighbours of the deceased. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
But the really key part is meeting and signing up heirs before the competition. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:18 | |
Ex-police sergeant Paul Matthews is their Midlands-based heir hunter | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
and is well used to spending his Thursdays on the road. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Am I still heading towards Liverpool to start off with? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
You're going to a place walled Waterloo in Liverpool. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Because of the estate's estimated £200,000 value, Grimble suspects | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
lots of competition on the case and wastes no time in getting Paul Matthews to call at the address. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
The deceased had an uncle Joseph and Jessie is his daughter | 0:08:42 | 0:08:50 | |
and Jessie is still alive, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
so hopefully if we get lucky, she'll be good for her age | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
and not only can we get her signed up, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
we can get what information she knows about the family because hopefully she knows | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
all about her uncles and aunts and their children, which will save us an awful lot of time and research. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
It's only two hours into the investigation | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
and they've already identified their first potential heir. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
As there is no close kin, in this case, it's cousins they're looking for. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
Having already found the daughter of Joan's paternal uncle, they now | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
concentrate all their efforts on tracing the descendants of Joan's seven paternal aunts. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
There's Nellie up here who's still outstanding. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Annie, Nellie, Elizabeth. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Three of them outstanding still. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
I can't even read what her middle name is. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Martha...Pool, ooh... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
Meanwhile, on the outskirts of Liverpool, Paul is having some problems of his own. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
ENGAGED TONE | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
It's engaged for a while, so it could be off the hook. Who knows? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
So we'd better get our skates on. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
The heir in Liverpool has been engaged all morning and back in the office, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
they're starting to worry that a rival company has got there first. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
You don't get two minutes up here to do things. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
And the stress is beginning to show. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Speaking to family members can be vital as it may unlock the whole family tree. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
So as Paul arrives in the street of Jessie, the potential heir, he gives it another try. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
'Please leave your message after the tone.' | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Hello, Mrs Winstanley. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
My name is Paul Matthews, I work for a probate research company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
A relative of yours, a distant cousin, has passed away, left a sum of money. We're trying to find | 0:10:45 | 0:10:51 | |
family members so that estate gets shared between them as opposed to going to the Government. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
If when you come back, if you give us a phone call and I'll tell you a bit more about it. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
As Jessie doesn't seem to be answering to anybody, Paul Matthews | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
resorts to knocking on neighbours' doors | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
to see if anyone knows of her whereabouts. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
She can't be too far away, I wouldn't have thought. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
But we don't know, because there is nobody here who can tell us where she is. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
That's a little bit frustrating. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
We've got here before anybody else, I think, and we haven't got a reply. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
I might have to sit back and wait and I'll tell the office what is going on | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
and I'll leave her a letter to give us a call as soon as she gets back. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
All he can now do is wait. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
George R Galloway - who's got the marriages? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
In the office, the pressure to find a breakthrough to the elusive paternal aunt is mounting. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
We still haven't got anything for Nellie. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
There's too many people running around and it is not all coming together how it should do. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
Not one to give up, Paul decides to give Jessie one last try. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
-Hello, is that Mrs Winstanley? -Yes. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
Paul Matthews from Fraser and Fraser. I've left you... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
The matter's in hand, thank you. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
I've been here - I know another chap has also contacted you. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Could you spare me just two minutes of your time, please? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
I'm in the same road as yourself. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
I was there earlier and left you a letter. Could you spare two minutes? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
You did, but the matter's in hand now, thank you. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Could you just give me two minutes so I can ask you some family information, nothing else, please? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
No. It's all sorted out now. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-Don't bother me again. -But what... -I'm OK. Thank you. -But... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
We managed to speak to one heir so far | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
and we're the third people to contact them, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
so from all the sounds of it, we're not doing very well at all. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
After a good start this morning, the competition are now hot on the case. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Will an unusual piece of research that the team uncover be the key | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
to getting them one step ahead of their rivals? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Not all cases have such tough competition, especially | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
if the Heir Hunters get them before they appear on the Treasury list. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
This is what happened when Fraser's found themselves being asked | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
to investigate the estate | 0:13:32 | 0:13:33 | |
of Barbara Thompson, a free-spirited intellectual from Sheffield. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I think she saw the world as her oyster at a time when perhaps other people hadn't | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
quite woken up to the fact that there is a world out there and I think that she was there and ready to go for it. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
But Barbara's love of foreign places meant there were troubles ahead. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
We're fairly good at knowing who inherits following the probate law. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
In Barbara's case, as soon as we realised there was French property, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
we've had to throw the rule book out the window. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
French property law is totally different. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Barbara Thompson died in Sheffield in December 2007. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
She was 70 years old and had never married or had kids. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
For most of her adult life she'd lived and worked abroad | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
as a translator, fluent in seven languages. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
Her estate consisted of her parents' martial home in Sheffield where | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
Barbara had grown up and her flat in Paris where she'd lived for years. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Barbara had died without leaving a will and it was a family member | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
who asked the Heir Hunters for their help to resolve the case. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
It's been referred to us by what we refer to as a member of the public. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
It's a second cousin to the deceased. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Knowing second cousins weren't entitled to inherit under English | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
and Welsh law, she called for help in tracking down any closer kin. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
My first impressions on this was it was an estate which didn't appear | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
to have any beneficiaries and was going to be claimed by the Crown. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:10 | |
In hope of keeping Barbara's fortune in the family, the second cousin | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
gave the researchers a head start to finding heirs by passing on crucial family information. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
The second cousin started off by giving us the name of the deceased, Barbara. Barbara Thompson. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:25 | |
Also was able to provide the date of death and the date of birth and the last known address for Barbara. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:32 | |
Now if we put that back into a Treasury solicitor's eyes and how we normally start our cases, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
we never get given the date of birth, so already we've got more information than we normally start with. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:44 | |
So they began the hunt for heirs. On the deceased's maternal side, all trails went cold. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
They moved on to her father, Henry Thompson's side of the family, but there they ran into other problems. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:56 | |
Thompson is not a very good name to research. It's quite a common name. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
So it means when we're trying to confirm stuff up, we've got lots of searching to do and it's very, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:07 | |
very hard to identify an individual record. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
After wading through thousands of entries under the name Thompson, the researchers eventually found | 0:16:09 | 0:16:15 | |
Barbara's two paternal aunts, Gladys and Annie. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Gladys was found to have died without children, so there were no beneficiaries there. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
But Annie had married an Alfred Stokes | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
and this led the Heir Hunters to their son, Derek, a first cousin to Barbara and a potential beneficiary. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:33 | |
From the Stokes marriage we were able to straightaway find a birth and the birth of Derek. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
So really within five, ten minutes from having a horrible case to research | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
with horrible names, which looked for all the best part and all our guts were telling us there weren't | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
going to be any beneficiaries, we had a decent surname and we'd found a birth from it. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
Derek was certainly an entitled relative on this. He has certainly got a greater entitlement to any | 0:16:53 | 0:17:00 | |
of the money than the Treasury have, so it's a huge turning point for us. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
With Derek identified as Barbara's first cousin and sole heir | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
to her estate, the office needed to make contact and tell him the news. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Derek Stokes and his wife Jill live less than half an hour from Barbara's Sheffield home. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:20 | |
They'd known her all her life, but were used to not hearing from her for years at a time. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:28 | |
Well, we got a phone call from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Basically to say that Barbara had died and that Derek was the heir. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
It was quite a shock really, wasn't it? That Barbara had actually died. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
Barbara Thompson was born in 1937. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
An only child, she grew up in a loving home in Sheffield. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
Barbara would have grown up | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
in a beautiful home, actually, a family home. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
Mediocre really, their financial situation, I would think. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
But they were very thrifty. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
At school, Barbara was top of her class and gained a scholarship | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
to the prestigious Sheffield High School for Girls, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
where she met life-long friend Andy Jameson. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
I remember she went to Wales on holiday with her parents, probably, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
and came back speaking some Welsh. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Later, she spent a bit of time in Egypt and came back speaking | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
some Arabic, and she just seemed to be able | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
to pick languages up quite easily. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Barbara enrolled to study languages at St Andrew's University in 1957, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
a time when very few women went on to higher education. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
I think it would have been her real sort of home from home, you know. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
She would have found her metier, if that's the right word. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:58 | |
She would have found her place, because she loved anything academic and bookish. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
Once Barbara had graduated, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
she struck out on her own to experience the world. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
She lived in Salamanca and in Paris, and worked in five languages - | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
English, German, French, Italian and Spanish. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
She devoted herself to translating poetry, literature and other academic text. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:24 | |
I think Barbara could have made a better living if she had translated | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
perhaps novels and things like that, but it was just what she preferred. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
It is what she was interested in, and that's what mattered to her. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
It seems Barbara made a conscious decision | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
not to settle down and get married. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
I would imagine she never married mainly because she was too independent. She would be just... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
-Too much for a man. -Too strong-willed and too independent to actually settle down and get married. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:56 | |
Plus she loved to travel. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
-That's right. -And she might have felt that might impede her travels. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
And it was Barbara's travels that led her to settle in Paris, buying | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
a small flat on the Left Bank that Andy visited several times. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
We had some fun together, and she opened doors for me to do | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
things in Paris that probably I would never have had the opportunity to do. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:26 | |
It gave me just a bit of an insight to what | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
it would be like to live in Paris, so I remember her with great affection. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
While the flat was very small, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
its prime location close to the Notre Dame cathedral | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
meant its value was fairly large, somewhere in the region of £150,000. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
Jill and Derek have just returned from their first ever visit to Barbara's flat. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
Well, I love the flat. When it was tidied up, as I say, it's quirky. It's in a beautiful part of Paris. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
I mean, we were only there a weekend and we worked very hard | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
clearing the flat out, but we felt we had been away a couple of weeks, we were so relaxed there. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
It was this French property that was about to put a spanner in the works | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
for Neil's rather neat-looking family tree. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
Initially it seemed that Derek was the heir to both the Sheffield property and the Paris flat, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:24 | |
but deeper investigation revealed it was not to be that simple. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
We have to deal with this property under the French probate law | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
and not the English probate law we've been dealing with the rest of the estate by. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
Under French law the net is cast much wider, allowing more distant relatives to inherit. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:43 | |
In England we can only go back as far as the grandparents of the deceased and their descendants coming down. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:50 | |
So in England we deal with first cousins or first cousins once, twice, three, four times removed. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
In France we can deal with second cousins or even third cousins should we have to go that far. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
So Barbara's second cousin who initially referred the case now | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
became one of several second cousins entitled to some of her estate. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
That's really good news, in fact. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
That really makes us quite happy, because the person who gave it to us is now actually getting a reward. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
She is only getting the French part of the family, but it's still good, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
isn't it, that someone who gave it is getting the reward. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
A total of eight second cousins were tracked down, each entitled to a share of the French estate. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
The company's work on an estate does not end once the heirs have been found. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
When Neil has completed the research, his brother Andrew | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
will take over the case and set about distributing the assets between the beneficiaries. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
The majority of assets we find on the larger estates, certainly are going to involve the property. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:51 | |
On this particular case, it's a very interesting matter because we have two properties. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
We have a flat in Paris and we have the old family house up in Sheffield. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
Today, Andrew is on his way to Sheffield to look at Barbara's house | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
with Derek Stokes, the sole heir to the property. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
So, let's see what we've got. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
She tried so hard to keep it in the 1930s mode, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
but she didn't have the money to do it. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
And I think this is what led | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
to the gradual deterioration of the property. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Well, it's quite heartbreaking really, isn't it? More so for you. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
It is, especially knowing Barbara, yeah. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
Once they've cleared the house of Barbara's belongings, Derek and Jill plan to sell the property on. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
-I would hope that somebody will... -Get it back to what it was. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
Yes, yes and improve it really and restore the garden | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
and the garage, and turn it into the nice family home that it was really. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
-That's what I'd like anyway. -Yes. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Jill and Derek had last seen Barbara at her mother's funeral in 1994. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:14 | |
As far as we knew Barbara had gone back to France | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
and she was there because that was the place she loved. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
That was where she would want to be. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
It turned out Barbara had got cancer and had actually returned | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
to the UK, living just half an hour from her relatives. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
For all her free-spirited nature and love of life abroad, Barbara | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
had come back to the family home for the last two years of her life. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
But she had chosen not to tell anyone about her situation. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
It came as a shock, but at the same time it explained certain things. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:48 | |
I hadn't heard from her for two or three years perhaps. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
But Barbara's legacy lives on in the memories of the people who knew her | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
and in the work she did that meant so much to her all her life. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
I think she left a lot of friends who will always regard her highly. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:10 | |
I think she has probably left quite a mark in the academic world for the work that she's done, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
and I think that anybody who knew her will always remember her with affection and a smile. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:22 | |
She was attractive. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
She was different, I suppose, in the life that she chose for herself. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
I shall remember Barbara with... SHE STRUGGLES TO SPEAK | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
Sorry. ..With great affection. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still those that stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:55 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
With estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
Gerald Wilton of Andover in Hampshire passed on in February 2008. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
Does that name conjure up any memories for you? | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Did you know him? Could you even be related to him and missing out on your rightful inheritance? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
Stasy Narbutas of Denmark Hill in London died in January 2008. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:39 | |
Despite Stasy's unusual name, heirs have so far proved elusive. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Do you have recollections that could solve this mystery? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Could you even be related? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Back in London, since appearing on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
Fraser and Fraser have been investigating the case of Joan Hack. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
She died in 2002, leaving an estimated £200,000 fortune, which the team need to reunite | 0:27:04 | 0:27:11 | |
with legal beneficiaries if they are to make their commission. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
As Joan has no near kin, it's the extended family who stand to inherit. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Case manager Grimble had a great start, quickly identifying | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
numerous aunts and uncles as well as a living first cousin, but a rival company got there first. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:31 | |
She has obviously spoken to somebody else so, reluctantly, on this particular stem, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
on this particular branch of it, then obviously we have to back away because it's the right thing to do. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
If she doesn't want to see us, then that's it. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
I'm not here to go knocking on her door and harassing people. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
The more straightforward family genealogy will be attracting all the heir-hunting firms. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:53 | |
Fraser's need to draw on their vast expertise in complicated research | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
to break on to the more difficult family lines. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
For the last few hours, they've been searching for the marriage records of Joan's Aunt Martha, who they believe | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
married a Henry Brookes, and they're still hunting for anything on her other aunt, Hester. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
But a trawl through their wealth of records has rewarded them with a brilliant clue. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:15 | |
On a British Army record, I've been able to find a marriage for | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
Hester in 1900, that's 21st November 1900, and that's actually in Malta. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
So it's why it didn't come up the first time through on our searches. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
We've then gone and done some overseas work. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
We've found a marriage for her in Malta, and that's to a Percy Edwin Walton. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
We've also been able to find two births off that. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Finding these overseas records has helped identify Joan's relatives who descend from her Aunt Hester. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:45 | |
-Hester... -Yeah? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
..marries Percy Edwin Walton. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Hester Galloway married Percy Walton in Malta and they had | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
two children, Violet and Winifred. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Winifred is found to have died a spinster, so there won't be any beneficiaries there. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
But from Violet, they found | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
the birth of a daughter, Janet. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
She is the first cousin once removed | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
and an heir to Joan's estate. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
Their clever detective work has put them back on track, and a phone call to Janet sets up an appointment with | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
travelling heir hunter Dave Hadley, who is only ten miles away from her home. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
-'We actually need you in Saffron Walden.' -Saffron Walden? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
-'Yeah.' -OK. -'It's on the Herts/Essex border.' -OK. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
We're gradually beginning to get it all sorted out, but we've been hampered by a bit of competition. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:43 | |
That's not helping us at the moment. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
But it will sort itself out. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
After meeting Janet, Dave has some crucial info to feed back to Grimble. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:53 | |
Right, I've spoken to Mrs Garret. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
-Yeah? -Apparently James Galloway was married twice. Did you know that? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
'No, I didn't know that.' | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Right, she reckons that James Galloway has married twice. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
-'Yes.' -And that Annie, Margaret and Elizabeth... | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
-'Come off the first marriage.' -Came off the first marriage. -'Right.' | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
And the rest came off the second marriage. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
'Right, lovely. That's great.' | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
The team's lateral thinking which led them to Janet has paid off. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
From her, they know three of seven paternal aunts are not entitled, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
as they come off the grandfather, James Galloway's previous marriage. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
With those family branches out of the picture, the team can now | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
focus their resources trying to trace aunts Nellie and Martha. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
The office's overseas records have proved invaluable in saving them | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
a huge amount of research time and in finding them an heir. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
I don't think everyone else, or anyone else, none of our competition | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
will find that very early. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
They may find it, but it will probably take them a couple of days. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
Because of that, the beneficiary which we're now speaking to, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
I don't think will be contacted by anyone else for at least a few days. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Even better, the information she is feeding back has now alerted us | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
that the grandfather may have been married twice. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
That again is great information. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
But investigations into Joan's Aunt Hester don't end there. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
The team have found a listing for a document held | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
at the West Sussex records office, but it is very unusual. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
I found a record for a diamond wedding invitation. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
This is for a Percy E Walton. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
It's in 1960 - you need to be 60 years married to have a diamond anniversary. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:45 | |
It ties up exactly with what we've got and it gives a good area of the country. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
The record says it's signed by all the guests. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Now, if it was my 60th, my diamond wedding anniversary, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
I would be inviting all my brothers and sisters. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
So all the females we haven't been able to find marriage notes for, we maybe able to go and have a look | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
at that invitation and suddenly get all of their surnames, all of their married surnames. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
It could cut us down hours. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
It could be a shortcut to the married names of the paternal aunts and, with these names, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:17 | |
they could then identify any children they may have had, who would be potential beneficiaries. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
If Bob Barrett's not doing anything - I think | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
he was only making a simple enquiry this morning - get him over there. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
It means calling on another of the travelling heir hunters and Bob Barrett's the man for this job. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
We often have to go to churchyards and look at headstones and check burial records. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:44 | |
We visit archives at Kew to look at war records | 0:32:44 | 0:32:50 | |
and to look at immigration records, but it's the first time | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
I've had to look up a diamond wedding lunch invitation. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
I think this celebration was in the 1960s, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
so they probably started with prawn cocktail! | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
Probably chicken for main course and then Black Forest gateau, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:20 | |
all washed down with a nice bottle of rose. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
The invitation is held at the West Sussex Records Office. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
This is an unusual document for the researchers to track down, but they know from experience that unexpected | 0:33:29 | 0:33:36 | |
and vital clues can sometimes come from the strangest places. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Here we are. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
For each record they want to view, the heir hunters must give | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
a unique reference number, which is what the team have tracked down. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
Then it's a matter of waiting... patiently. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
Thank you very much. Thanks. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
I was right about the prawn cocktail. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Just a few signed names. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
And a few more overleaf. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
It will be a job to read the names, but Bob is used to deciphering handwritten records. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
As they'd hoped, it seems the menu does contain a lot of names, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
but unfortunately only a few surnames. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
Will this new evidence be of any use to Grimble? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
Hello, Grimble. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
I've got exactly what you want. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
-It was soup and prawn cocktail to start. -Oh dear! | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Actually, it's a bit disappointing. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
There isn't a guest list. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
All they've done is some of the guests have signed one of the menus. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:51 | |
-Yeah. -Some of it is difficult to read anyway. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
Um, Mabel? | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
As Bob feeds back the names, it becomes clear the invite doesn't contain | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
the key bits of information the heir hunters had been hoping for. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It's so bad it's not legible. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
Unfortunately, the invite doesn't contain the married surnames of Aunts Nellie and Martha. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
At the end of the day, we've got several names and whatnot, but only one of them really meant anything. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
It was still worth doing, because you never know what's going to happen. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
It's now nine-and-a-half hours into the case and the heir hunters still haven't signed any heirs. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
The wedding invitation may not have been the breakthrough they had been hoping for, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
but the researchers' persistent hard work has just rewarded them | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
with something from the internet that's a gem of a find. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
What we're talking of here is either some amateur genealogist | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
who's done their own family tree and submitted all the data or, more than likely in this instance, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:52 | |
it's possibly someone of the Mormon belief, the Church of the Latter Day Saint. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
Part of their religious beliefs is that they have to go back and trace the family history. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
The Mormons have added a huge amount to the world of genealogy, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
and they were the first people who started computerising stuff. We're all quite reliant on their records. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:12 | |
Someone has done the family tree already, and all the results | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
were published on the internet. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Well, we've got one coming up here - Mabel. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
This is on the Brookes stem. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
The Brookes stem is something we've had a huge problem in trying | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
to identify the births on, because of the time period. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
It would have saved us an awful lot more time if we'd found this | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
first thing this morning rather than last thing this evening. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
There is good information on here. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
This late discovery provides them | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
with virtually all the family information | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
relating to Joan's Aunt Martha, who they've had trouble tracing all day. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
She married a Henry Brookes, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
and this branch of the family turns out to be the largest of all. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
It leads them down to her five children | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
and on to a whole new layer of heirs, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
including Joan's first cousins once removed, Eric and Barbara Brookes, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
who live in the Liverpool area. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
Eric has got a brother, Harry, who is now dead, and he has got a daughter, Barbara. We need to find her. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:20 | |
So while Grimble hits the phones... | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
..Paul Matthews hopes his luck with the heirs is about to change. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
SAT-NAV: Take the next left turn, and then right ahead. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Hopefully we will find somebody in who will actually agree to see us. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:40 | |
As he arrives to knock on more doors, will he finally get to meet an heir? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
What time is he due back? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
-He won't be back for a few weeks. He's away at the moment. -Oh, right. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
Eric is in Dubai. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
-'In Dubai?' -Yeah. I've spoken to him. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I've got an address for him. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
I've got an e-mail for him. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
I told him a little bit about it. He has a sister, Barbara, as you know. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
I've spoken to her and I'm on the way to see her. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
-She'll be home in about 15 minutes. -Oh, well done. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
At last, the team are making contact with the heirs. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Paul Matthews has had a good result on the ground, and Grimble is having success on the phones. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
Hello, Mrs Sanderson? Hello there. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Thank you for calling back. That's very kind of you. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
We've been dealing with the estate of a lady called Joan Hack. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
She would be a cousin to your father. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
It's been a long, hard day for the heir hunters. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Their meticulous research has uncovered almost 20 legal heirs, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
but they've only managed to speak to a few of them. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
From that research, we think that you and your brother John | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
may be entitled to inherit part of the estate. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
It's important for the company to see any beneficiaries that they can. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
-Hello. -Hi, Barbara. Paul Matthews from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
-Come in. -Pleased to meet you. -Thank you. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
-No doubt you're a bit mystified by all this. -I am, yes. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
And informing distant relatives of their unexpected windfall is usually welcome news. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
-Obviously a big family, lots of work to do. -Yes. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
You will get a sum of money. It's never ever going to cost you | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
anything and you will only receive money. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
-OK. -And, of course, the family tree - that'll be good. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
By the time you work through that lot, it will be lucky if you get a smile out of it all! | 0:39:44 | 0:39:51 | |
You might get 10p each! You could put it to a good cause. It will pay for a day-trip in Rhyl or somewhere. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:58 | |
For Fraser's to make their money, they must get signed contracts | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
and, with more heirs to meet and commission to win, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
the case rolls into the following day and Dave Hadley is back out on the road. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
It's the second day of this research in this case and I'm off to see | 0:40:15 | 0:40:22 | |
a Stuart Galloway, who is a cousin, once removed from the deceased. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:29 | |
I've got an appointment to see him at ten o'clock, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
and I'm looking forward to speaking to him. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
Stuart Galloway descends from Joan's Uncle Joseph and is a first cousin once removed. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:42 | |
-Mr Galloway? -Yes. -David Hadley from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Pleased to meet you. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-Come in. -Thank you. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
There was some suggestion that your great-grandfather was James Galloway. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:59 | |
Yeah, we actually named our son James, our first born. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
We just liked the name, but everybody thought that we'd done it | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
to keep the Galloway name going, because we couldn't understand why, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
when he was born, we got all sorts of gifts that came through from people we'd never heard of. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
It turned out that the first born near enough in every Galloway is named James, which is quite... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:23 | |
-An Irish tradition. -Yeah. But it was quite spooky because we did it | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
without any of that knowledge, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
but a lot of people in the past said, "How thoughtful." | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
Sadly it was done out of... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
You lapped it up nonetheless! | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Oh, absolutely! Absolutely, yes. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
It has been a rewarding meeting, not just for Dave Hadley, but also for heir Stuart Galloway. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
I learned a lot over the last few minutes with regard to past family, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:52 | |
and I certainly found it very interesting and would | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
certainly like to follow up, now that I've started to understand the family tree of the Galloways. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:04 | |
-I hope everything works out OK for you. -Thank you very much. -Very nice meeting you. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
It certainly has been a rollercoaster few hours and I'm sure the outcome will have been worth it. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:16 | |
While it's a positive outcome for the beneficiaries, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
Neil has mixed feelings about the case as, in the end, many of the heirs signed with the competition. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
The research has been exceptional. We've had hits on the Mormons. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
We've picked up stuff from a diamond wedding. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
We've picked up stuff in Malta. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
On the downside, I don't think it is going to be that | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
profitable for us, because the competition has been so fierce. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
There have been so many firms working at this, it is unlikely that we'll actually cover our costs. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
Lonely recluse Joan Hack, whose life was never the same after her husband died, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
is now bringing together a family who she may not have even realised existed. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
If you would like advice | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
about building a family tree or making a will, go to: | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
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