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Heir Hunters track down the families of people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives who had no idea they were due a windfall. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
On today's programme - the heat is on when the Heir Hunters tackle an estate | 0:00:32 | 0:00:38 | |
worth a whopping sum of £1 million, but they're not the only ones on the case. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:44 | |
She had a phone call at 7.30 this morning. Didn't say who they were. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
So she's given them the daughter's details. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
And the mysterious case of a Polish princess and her unclaimed fortune. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Craven Street. It's a very, very grand address. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
So if she owned that address, this estate could be worth a lot of money. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Plus, with thousands of pounds sitting unclaimed in the Treasury vaults, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
could you be a beneficiary? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Unbelievably, over two-thirds of people in the UK die each year without leaving a will. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:23 | |
If no heirs come forward, their money goes straight into the Treasury's coffers. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:29 | |
In 2008 alone, a massive £18 million went unclaimed. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
That's when the probate research companies step in | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and compete with each other to find and sign up long-lost relatives, hoping to gain a commission. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:43 | |
-Hello. Sheila Kingsland? -Yes. -Hello there. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Fraser & Fraser have been tracing beneficiaries for over 30 years. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
In that time, the company has successfully reclaimed a massive £100 million for heirs. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
But solving these cases can use up many hours of manpower and resources. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
The work we have to do, whether a case is worth £5 or £5,000 or £5 million, is exactly the same. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:08 | |
With small cases, we don't want to throw resources at it because we won't have the return. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
This is because the Heir Hunters work on commission | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
and a large estate can make a big difference to their overheads. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
It's 7am at Frasers' central London office. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
Partner Neil Fraser is going through the list of unclaimed estates just issued by the Treasury. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
He's come across a case that looks promising. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
We're just gonna start looking at Armer. It's a Ronald Armer. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
I can see his property has recently been sold and that's been sold for £1 million. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
I expect to get a lot of competition. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
By a lot, I mean possibly four, maybe five firms looking at it, all very cut-throat. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
So... We haven't really got much time to waste. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
Bachelor Ronald Jackson Armer died alone in March 2008 in Lancaster. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
Born in 1945, Ronald was a young man in the '60s. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
Like many of his contemporaries, he embraced the spirit of the times, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
pursuing an alternative lifestyle and eastern philosophies. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
Local publican Alex Carswell remembers him as an original free spirit. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
Thank you. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
He used to go to the Far East and Thailand and Hong Kong and these places | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
long before anybody else went on package tours, long before anybody else went there. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
In his later years, he settled into a frugal and quiet lifestyle | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
in this cottage in the affluent village of Ambleside, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
and over time, he began to withdraw into himself. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Although everybody knew him in the village, he was always on his own. He was a loner to a large degree. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
There was just Ronnie. He would come in, he would have his drink, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
join in the conversation, put his input in, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
but never actually with anybody as such, you know what I mean? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
He had a fall about 18 months before he died | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
and he seemed to go down quickly from then. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Little things. He would come in sometimes and maybe he hadn't washed and different things like that. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:24 | |
A few little things like that, but it's sad because it happens to a lot of people, not just Ronnie. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
You get to a stage in life, if you've been on your own, and he couldn't do the travelling he used to do, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
where you maybe get to think, "What's the point?" And he just sort of drifted down that route. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
Ronald passed away at the age of 64. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Although he was a well-known character in the local community, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
the authorities were unable to find any close relations, which is why his name is on the Treasury list. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
Because the estates are published without the values, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
the Heir Hunters must make an educated guess as to their worth. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
Ronald's home in Ambleside is in the heart of the Lake District. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
This resort has been popular since Victorian times. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
In the mid-Victorian era, the Industrial Revolution had wreaked a terrible toll on the towns. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
Factories belched filthy smoke into the sky and the cities had become crowded and stressful places. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:25 | |
Wealthy Victorians searched for a more idyllic environment to escape to | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
where they could find nature at its most pure. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
They flocked to the Lake District which until then had been a remote outpost. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
The powerful industrialists built fabulous holiday homes on the shores of the lakes | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
and ever since then, the area has been a magnet to wealthy visitors and retirees. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
Today, property prices in the region are amongst the highest in the UK. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
With such a potentially valuable case to work, the race is on. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
-Can you update them with the Richard Manley business? -Yeah, I just have. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
If the Heir Hunters are to trace Ronald's heirs before the competition, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
case manager Tony Pledger must work fast. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
-Can we see if the grandmother remarried? -Yeah. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
He mobilises the team of researchers. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Using the birth, death and marriage records they have on file, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
the team have already identified Ronald's father as Thomas William Armer | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
who was born in Kendal in 1925. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
But they're having difficulty isolating who he was married to. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Tell them to re-check that marriage. That one. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
-Debbie's done it. -And...? -Comes up just as Elizabeth. Elizabeth Stabler. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
Yeah, but what does it say under him? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-You checked his entry, didn't you, Armer? -It was just Stabler. -Stabler. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
How many Armers are there? Can you do the printout for the Armer bit? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:03 | |
Tracing heirs using the records they have on file can take time. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Sometimes the best way to find out information is to speak to people who knew the deceased. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:14 | |
Tony has got hold of the number of an ex-neighbour of Ronald's. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
Sorry to wake you. I was hoping you might tell me something about Mr Armer. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
Did you know any member of his family or...? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Oh, I see. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
It seems that Tony is not the first to have been in touch. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
Well, no, I appreciate that. OK, thanks. Bye. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
This could be a big setback. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Not only does the neighbour refuse to talk, but even though it is only 7.40 in the morning, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
a competitor has already been in contact. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
On the plus side, whilst Tony has been on the phone, the team have made a valuable breakthrough. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:56 | |
They believe they have identified all of Ronald's family tree using existing records | 0:07:56 | 0:08:03 | |
and it's a small family. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
What we're saying is that the mother...is Elizabeth. Right? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
The dad dies in 1928, right? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
-Thomas William Armer... -Same address, OK? -Yeah. Died 15th of December. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
No brothers and sisters on this side. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Looks like he could well be an only child, so the only chance we're gonna get is on that side. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
The team have confirmed there are no heirs on the father's side of the tree. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:35 | |
Ronald had only one sibling, a little sister called Melody, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
who sadly passed away at the age of four. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
So the focus has shifted to Ronald's mother, Elizabeth Stabler. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
It seems she has two siblings - | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
a sister, Margaret Stabler, who died a spinster in 1952, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
and a brother, Tom Stabler, who was married to a woman called Jean in 1949. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
Tom and Jean would be Ronald's uncle and aunt. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
We want phone numbers of these people up in the area, if there's anybody around there. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
Tom Stabler's wife Jean lives in Whitehaven, just 44 miles from Ambleside. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
As a young woman, she spent a lot of time with her sister-in-law Elizabeth | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
and would have known her nephew Ronald well. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
As Jean is a relative through marriage, she is not entitled to inherit, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
but if she and Tom had any children, they would be heirs. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
The researchers have tracked down a number for Tony to call. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
This lady is in her 80s and may not know her nephew Ronald is dead, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
so Tony will need to break the news gently. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
Good morning. Is that Mrs Stabler? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Now, we've been researching into the family of the late Ronald Armer | 0:09:49 | 0:09:55 | |
who passed away in 2008. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Tony is hoping Jean Stabler can confirm their findings so far. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Did your husband have any other brothers and sisters? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
He was the eldest. He was the eldest and he just had the two sisters. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
It seems the Frasers team have the correct family tree, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
but do Jean and Tom have any children? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Ah, good. So this is obviously by your husband. Sorry to say this. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
They've hit the jackpot. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Jean and Tom have a daughter Alyson, an only child living in Sheffield. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
After just an hour, the Heir Hunters now have their first and only heir. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
But the news is a mixed blessing. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
With only one heir, the stakes are now incredibly high. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
We don't think we've got any other aunts or uncles on the paternal side. She could be the sole beneficiary. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
If that's true, she's entitled to a million pounds, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
or the best part of it if our calculations have been right, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
so it's looking like she's the only beneficiary. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
We know we're the second people to make this enquiry and we need to get someone to Sheffield quickly. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
Frasers employ a team of travelling Heir Hunters. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
Highly qualified researchers, they play a vital role in gathering intelligence. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:18 | |
Every Thursday, they are poised to travel the length and breadth of Britain in search of heirs. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:24 | |
Neil will need two travellers on this case - one to go to Sheffield to sign the heir | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
and another to go to the Lake District to speak to Jean Stabler. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Jean Stabler lives in Whitehaven and Manchester-based Dave Mansell is on his way to talk to her. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
There's hardly anything on this road | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
and if the sun would shine, it would be like heaven. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
This is what the London people don't see. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
They don't get this. They haven't got our beautiful countryside we've got in the Lake District. | 0:11:53 | 0:12:00 | |
And Neil is now on the line to Birmingham-based Paul Matthews. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
Hi, mate. Neil. Can you make your way to Sheffield post-haste? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
-I think we've got a million-pound beneficiary. -Okey-cokey. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
-I'll speak to you soon. -Cheers, Neil. Bye. -Bye. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Somebody's got some good news coming today. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Absolutely. What a result! | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
I wish it was me. I'd retire. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
With the commission on a million pounds at stake, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
it's vital that the travellers meet face to face with the family, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
especially as the competition are hot on their heels. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Frasers weren't the first firm to contact Jean, Alyson's mother. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
She had a phone call at half past seven this morning... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
who didn't say who they were. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
So she's given them the daughter's details. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
Now the office team can only sit back and wait for the travellers to contact Jean and daughter Alyson. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:59 | |
It's a nail-biting time and with only one heir, they only have one chance at the commission. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
It's a million pounds. It's gonna have a lot of competition, so we're working on it more urgently. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
To solve it makes no difference. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
The thrill of what we do is finding the beneficiary, whether that's for £5 or £1 million. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:19 | |
But with everyone in the office holding their breath, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Dave Mansell phones in. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
-Right, we've just left Mrs Stabler now. -'Yeah.' | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
-The deceased lived in a rented house. -'Yeah.' | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Before that, the family lived in a rented cottage. They've never owned a property. He worked on the buses. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:42 | |
Could it be that the Armer estate is a case of all that glitters is not gold? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
Royalty is not something you come across every day in the heir hunting business, but in 2008, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
a name cropped up on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
which took research director Gareth Langford on a fascinating ride | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
that spanned a continent and a family's fortune. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
The case of Olga Dembinska, or Princess Dembinska. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
I've got the death certificate here. We know that she died on the 28th of September, 1986, in hospital. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
And on the death certificate it says she died as Countess Olga Natalie Von Dane Dembinska. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:36 | |
Princess Olga Von Dembinska died alone in hospital at the age of 74. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
Her death certificate was witnessed by a hospital employee. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
That was over 20 years ago and Olga's life was to prove something of a riddle. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
There wasn't even a photograph left of her. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Most importantly, as the value of the estate was not included on the Treasury list, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
the Heir Hunters didn't know its worth, but it did look promising, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
not least because of her last registered address. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Craven Street. It's very central London. It's a very grand address. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
So if she owned that address, this estate could be worth an awful lot of money. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
The actual property itself is going to be amazing because of the location where it is. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:26 | |
It's a very, very prestigious area. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Every good heir hunter knows that property constitutes most of the value of a person's fortune. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
Olga's flat in Craven Street is just around the corner from the Houses of Parliament | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
and close to the heart of London's West End. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
Properties on this street range from £500,000 for a two-bedroom flat | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
to £9 million for a townhouse at today's prices. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
On the face of it, this estate looked very valuable indeed. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
The name Dembinska is Polish and it's the feminine version of Dembinski. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
It's a name that should also have been easy to work, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
but things weren't so straightforward. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
The first problem we had was a birth certificate for Olga. We didn't have one. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
So that meant we didn't know her parents' names. We didn't know her father's name or her mother's name. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
Without that basic information, it's very difficult for us to move on. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
This was such a blow because the first rule of heir hunting is to work up a family tree. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
The team use the information from birth and death certificates to find parents and children. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
They can then use this as a map to trace each generation until they find an heir. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
But with no certificates, Gareth had to try other avenues of research. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
We started looking to see what we could dig up about the Dembinskas. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
Now, unusually, from our point of view, this meant that we got to know them a little bit better | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
because we found personal accounts of the family. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Normally, we would just have a birth and death certificate. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Now we were getting what people thought of them when they met them and what they said to them. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
So we're getting a much better picture of what Olga was like. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
The first reference they found to the Dembinski family was by a Canadian academic. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
John Frederick Heard was a celebrated Canadian astronomer. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
His detailed and humorous account of the time he spent with the Dembinskis | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
was a rich source of information for the Heir Hunters. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
John Frederick Heard's account of the family is very interesting | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
because we only had the deceased's name. We didn't know she had any brothers and sisters. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:48 | |
He knew the family so well because he lodged with them | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
when they were living in this impressive house in Chiswick in the 1930s. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
So the first thing that this told us is that she had a brother and a sister. That was very useful. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:03 | |
It also told us that her father had recently died and she was living with her mother. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
Through this, the team could confirm a family tree. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Olga Dembinska had a sister Madelaine and a brother Eric. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Her mother was born in Yorkshire with the exotic name Carmen de Tesca Bates. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:22 | |
Her father was EVS Von Dembinski. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
The family were impressively titled. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
One of the early things that he's talking about the family, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
"They took the Royal Highness bit very seriously | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
"and expected their friends to use Princess and Prince as forms of address." | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
Surely, with the royal title, Olga Dembinska's lineage would be easy to trace. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:49 | |
Dr Richard Butterwick is a lecturer in Eastern European Studies. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
The Polish nobility was by far the largest nobility in Europe down to the 18th century. | 0:18:53 | 0:19:00 | |
In fact, older estimates would have put it at something like 10% of the population as a whole. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:07 | |
And because they were so numerous, there was immense disparity of wealth between them. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
The vast majority of Polish nobles were extremely poor. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
Dembinska is the female version of Dembinski. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
And the name Dembinski is one of the more commonly encountered names of Polish nobles over many centuries. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:26 | |
But there were many different Dembinski families. They weren't necessarily related to each other. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
In the late 1700s, Poland was partitioned between Russia, Prussia and Austria. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
After an unsuccessful uprising against Russia in 1831, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
thousands of Poles escaped to France where they established a thriving emigre community. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
The exodus continued for another 50 years. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
The Dembinski family were living in France, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
but in 1914, the looming threat of war spurred them on to move to the UK | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
and they settled in the large house they bought in Chiswick. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
The family certainly seemed rich in property. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
Ten years after the father died, the family bought land and a couple of cottages in Suffolk. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
Local resident Davina Garner met the Dembinskis when they moved to the village of Long Melford. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:23 | |
Just known as the Prince and Princess. That was their name - Von Dembinski. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
That's a name you don't forget. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
She is visiting the cottages where they used to live. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
-Do you know the name "Von Dembinski"? -Yes, it does ring a bell. -It does ring a bell. -Yeah. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
It was definitely... That was the person that actually purchased quite a huge chunk of North End. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:48 | |
-When we bought the property, we obtained all the deeds documentation. -Yes. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
And when I see that name of royal connection, I was really chuffed | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
that we had bought a property | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
with some sort of very interesting history about it. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
And the evidence of wealth just kept building | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
when, with more information from the Treasury, Gareth found out something | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
that would appear tantalising to any heir hunter. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
The new information from the Treasury solicitor was interesting. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
They basically indicated that there were new assets. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Now, from our point of view, we don't know if this is a small amount of money or a large amount. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
The signs were all very positive, but how large would the fortune Olga left behind turn out to be? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:39 | |
For every case that is solved, thousands stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually someone will remember | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
With estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
Dorothy Rose Brewer died in Eastbourne, East Sussex, on 30th August, 2006. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:33 | |
Was Dorothy a friend or neighbour of yours? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Could you even be related to her and entitled to her legacy? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
James Arthur Nash passed away on 10th January, 2004, in Tooting, South London. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
So far, every attempt to find his rightful heir has failed. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
If no relatives can be found, his money will go to the government, but could it be meant for you? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
With thousands of estates lying unclaimed every year, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
your information could help millions of pounds reach its rightful heirs. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
In London, the Fraser and Fraser team are working the case of Ronald Armer, who died in Ambleside, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:19 | |
leaving assets they believe are worth a massive £1 million. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
So far they've made good progress and found an heir. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
There's nobody on the father's side. Probably one person on the mother's side. She'd be the only heir. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:33 | |
She lives in Sheffield. Hopefully, we'll see her later today. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
But travelling Heir Hunter Dave Mansell is beginning to have doubts about the worth of the estate. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:44 | |
They've never owned a property. He worked on the buses. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
It looks like the sole heir to Ronald Armer's estate is his maternal cousin Alyson Stabler, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:58 | |
but this information ups the ante further. Whether it's worth £5,000 or £1 million, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:04 | |
if they don't sign Alyson, they lose their chance of commission. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
There's only going to be one heir. It's possibly a substantial sum. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
And so, obviously, we would like to come to an arrangement with the heir. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
Tony's pinning his hopes on travelling Heir Hunter Paul Matthews. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
He's arrived in Sheffield. The heir is at work. Paul hopes to talk to her husband. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
Her husband will be at home. We're hoping he does manage to track her down and she does call us | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
and I get to go and see her. Obviously, it's a decent-sized estate. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
And we'd certainly like something out of it. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
Meanwhile, Dave Mansell has arrived in Ambleside. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
Hello. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
He's hoping to speak to Ronald's neighbours to find out once and for all | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
if his estate could be worth £1 million. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
With none of the neighbours in, Dave visits the cafe next door. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
And he's found out something that could really help the case. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
We've come to do an inquiry at the deceased's last known address. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
There's nobody in any of the properties adjacent to it, so I inquired at the nearest cafe. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:40 | |
And the girl in there was an Armer, so we're about to go to her house and meet her mother, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:46 | |
to check if she knew a Ronald Armer lived at this address. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
We'll see if there's any connection between the deceased and her family. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
Armer is a common name in the area. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
The woman Dave's going to see is too distantly related to be Ronald's heir, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:07 | |
but she might have valuable information about him. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
-Did you know Ronald well? -Well... -Did he have any money? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
-I'm told he worked on the buses. -He had enough to go to the pub | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
and he lived very quietly and frugally. He didn't spend... He wasn't a big spender. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
Right. There was no rumours about him having a lot of dosh, then? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Well...no. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
That conversation has backed up what Ronald's aunt has said. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
It looks more and more likely he didn't have a lot of cash. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
120 miles away in Sheffield, Paul has pipped the competing Heir Hunters to the post. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:50 | |
-He's the first to see Malcolm Fender, husband of Ronald's heir. -We think it's a substantial estate. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:57 | |
There was a property involved that was sold for a lot of money. We'd like to claim for your wife. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
-My wife is very surprised at that. She thought he didn't own his house. -Was he renting it? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
All we know is that the property where he was before has been sold. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
And it sold for this huge amount. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Malcolm is not an heir and cannot sign on his wife's behalf, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
but he's phoned her at work to tell her about Fraser's. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
There's a leaflet about Fraser's. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
She did express a preference that she would probably go with you. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
That's good news! The trip up the M1 hasn't been wasted, hopefully. All for 10p! | 0:27:32 | 0:27:39 | |
I hope it is a decent-sized estate, obviously. We'd get a nice wedge out of it. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
It's a great result. It's looking like the absent Alyson may sign to Fraser's, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:52 | |
but the picture of Ronald's finances is not so hot. From what people are saying, he was not a millionaire. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
Back in London, Neil realises he's made a terrible mistake. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
It's worth 5K. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Yeah. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Looks like I didn't read the property page this morning correctly. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
I've read an entry for the sale | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
which was linked to that property, but it looks like someone bought the whole block, shops and everything. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
So we're dealing with a little tiny flat connected to that. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
It's not worth any money at all. So... A bit of a mistake by me misreading it this morning. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:39 | |
It's a huge disappointment, especially as the team have put such hard work into it, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
but the devil is in the detail and mistakes can happen. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
£5,000 is the minimum value of unclaimed estates advertised by the Treasury. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
It's clear now that Ronald never owned his modest terrace. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
The sale that Neil had found was, in fact, for the entire block of houses, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:06 | |
-but Tony is philosophical. -You never know where it'll go until you get there. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:12 | |
It's best not to go making assumptions or public statements too early. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:19 | |
In the end, Alyson did sign to Fraser's. Although she'd lost touch with her cousin, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:26 | |
she had fond memories of him. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
He gave me my first records when I got my first record player. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:34 | |
So I remember that about him. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
He quite liked music. As an adult, I didn't really know him, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
but I guess he was quite... solitary. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
He never married. His parents died in the '80s. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
And we just basically lost touch. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
I suppose that's what happens. He was a very quiet sort of... | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
individual, kept himself to himself. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Alyson was surprised when Fraser's told her Ronald had an estate of potentially £1 million. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
It does get your mind going and you think, "Perhaps I always had it wrong. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
"Perhaps I'm going to get £900,000. Wouldn't that be lovely?" | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
Ronald's case had taken on a life of its own | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
and suddenly everyone was chasing the mirage of a £1 million fortune. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
My mum actually texted me - she's quite good for 82 - | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
to say, "Ring. I have news." | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
She said that four probate companies had phoned her that morning. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
The first one rang at 7.30, which was a bit of a shock for her. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
And, yes, four companies got in touch. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
And what would Ronald Armer have thought of all these Heir Hunters believing he was a millionaire? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
He would have stood here laughing because... | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
I don't think Ronnie ever, in his lifetime, would ever envisage having that kind of money. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:05 | |
I don't think there would be much left if Ronnie got his hands on it! In a nice way, you know. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:12 | |
Until the case is fully worked, Alyson won't know how much the estate is worth, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
but she has thought about how to use the money. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
If it had been a large amount, I'd have felt quite confused. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
But if it's a small amount, Ronald liked going on holidays. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
He went on holidays before going on package holidays was popular. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
So I think I'll go on holiday and think of him. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
Ronald Armer's story just goes to show that not everything is as it seems. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
This was to prove the case when the Heir Hunters looked into the estate of Princess Olga von Dembinski, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:08 | |
who died in 1986 leaving an unspecified sum. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
Initially, the investigation suggested she was property-rich in Westminster and Suffolk, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:21 | |
but as Gareth continued the investigation, he began to realise her life was something of an enigma. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:28 | |
We looked at it on the basis that she lived at a nice address in Westminster. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
So we tried to look at whether she owned the property | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
and we spoke to neighbours, but nobody really knew her. She died in 1986. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
Olga was the youngest of three children. She had a sister Madelaine and a brother Eric. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:50 | |
All three carried the title of Prince and Princess. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
Davina Garner was a little girl when she met Olga's siblings, Princess Madelaine and Prince Eric, | 0:32:54 | 0:33:01 | |
when they moved into the village of Long Melford. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
I always sort of surmised that they were Russian. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
I vaguely remember somebody saying something about they had been wealthy but they were just ordinary people. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:18 | |
And I think she had a black car. That's all I can remember then. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
In 1941, Olga was in London, but her sister Madelaine, brother Eric and their mother, Carmen, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:29 | |
had moved on. It was the height of the Blitz and Long Melford in Suffolk was a safer place to be. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:36 | |
Davina remembers they quickly became part of the community. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
I think Eric was a gentleman. He was a perfect gentleman. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
He did have beautiful skin! | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
He would doff his hat and that sort of thing, yeah. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
But while her family enjoyed a quiet life in the country, Olga was on a mission. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:56 | |
In 1946 she went to France | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
where she went through a lengthy court battle to claim the rights to ancestral land in Poland. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:05 | |
According to them, it was a Polish family of great antiquity. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
And they claimed direct lineage from King Canute. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
And apparently until the death of Prince von Dembinski, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
they'd been merely a Count and Countess, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
but a relative died and they got the Prince's title. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
Olga's great-great-grandfather was Ernst von Dembinski. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
Dr Richard Butterwick has his obituary. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
What this says is that a representative of the Dembinski family had done well in Prussia. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:45 | |
He had adopted the "von" prefix to his name, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
which would qualify him as a German noble as well as a Polish noble. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
And he'd become the governor of a circle in Prussia for a period of about 13 years. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:02 | |
And he'd been decorated. He was an officer in the Prussian army. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
He found himself very well in the new realities, but when it comes to his son, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:13 | |
we find him serving in the cavalry of the German Legion of the British Army during the Crimean War. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:19 | |
And then afterwards settling in Britain. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
In 1854, with the Crimean War in full swing, the British were desperately short of troops. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
So they formed a British Foreign Legion and a large contingent volunteered from Germanic states. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
After the war, these young men could not return home as they'd sworn allegiance to another country. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:44 | |
Many were shipped off to South Africa. Some, like Olga's grandfather, Ernst Charles, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
stayed in the UK. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Could it be that at that time he had to renounce his rights to an inheritance in Prussian Poland? | 0:35:52 | 0:35:59 | |
In any case, Olga's attempt to claim her inheritance failed. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
And after years of court battles to claim her inheritance, Olga was declared bankrupt in 1953. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:14 | |
At roughly the same time, her mother passed away | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
and Olga's siblings moved out of the family cottage. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Was the cottage sold to pay Olga's legal fees? We may never know. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
But suddenly Madelaine and Eric were in reduced circumstances | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
and Madelaine hit upon a novel way of finding accommodation - she moved into a local railway cottage. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
In lieu of rent, her job was to open the gate for the daily trains. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
A princess on the railway caused quite a stir and she was filmed for a Pathe newsreel. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:52 | |
For the past three years, the Princess is on duty from 6am until the last train after 9pm | 0:36:52 | 0:36:59 | |
six days a week. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Neighbour Dick Barbour remembers the Princess at work. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
This is the old railway crossing. The lines used to run across the road here. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
The Princess had to come out of her house there to open the gates... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:28 | |
across here to stop the traffic on the road to let the trains through. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:34 | |
Madelaine became something of a local legend. Dick kept his donkey in a field close by. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:40 | |
I walked down here one evening, as I very often did, and saw her out in the road | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
closing or opening the gates and I said, "Good evening," to her. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
I could see she wasn't her normal self. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
I said, "Are you all right?" She said, "No, you're in my bad books." | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
I said, "Oh? How come?" She said, "Not you, but the donkey." | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
I said, "How come the donkey's in the bad books?" | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
She said, "I generally set my alarm early in the morning to get the early goods train | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
"so it doesn't knock the gates down like it's done in the past. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
"I thought I'd overslept because I heard this peculiar noise, which I thought was the train. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
"I shot down in my pyjamas and opened the gates and no train came." | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
She said, "I thought that's peculiar. Then your donkey hee-hawed | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
"and I realised that's what got me out of bed, not the train!" She wasn't very amused. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:40 | |
They were certainly characters. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
In Chiswick, a long time before their recent money troubles, they had unusual ways to earn pin money. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:51 | |
Quite eccentric. The mother of the deceased is described as a seer. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
Apparently that's how she earned a bit of money. Quite interesting. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
Not something you'd expect a princess to be. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
Her sister as well. They were working as tourist guides to earn some money. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
It sounds like they were real characters. I want to have met them. An interesting bunch, I think. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:18 | |
In 1966, Olga's sister Madelaine passed away and her brother Eric no longer had a reason to stay here. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:26 | |
After that, Davina heard from Eric from time to time. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
This is to Mrs Davina Garner. From von Dembinski. A Christmas card. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:38 | |
And a letter saying that he bought this Christmas card for the verse on the inside | 0:39:38 | 0:39:46 | |
"to please your young daughters". "The last four cards have been posted today, Christmas Day. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:54 | |
"The rest will have to have New Year Christmas cards. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
"I have spent the last three years in London. I am still trying to move to Bath in Somerset. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:03 | |
"With love from Eric." | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
In the early '80s, Eric passed away and Olga lived on for another six years in a flat in Craven Street. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:13 | |
For the Heir Hunters, this case had been full of tantalising details. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
Did the family have some assets tucked away somewhere? | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
What had happened to the money from the various properties? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
But the investigation came to an abrupt halt when the team made a surprising discovery. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:31 | |
Well, essentially, we think it's a dead case. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
We've got a grant from the High Court of Justice saying there's no family or heirs. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:44 | |
No grandparents, no uncles, no cousins, no nephews, no nieces. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
So from our point of view, it's a dead case. No heirs. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
So that's it, really, for us. It's case closed. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:59 | |
Neither Olga, Madelaine or Eric had married, nor had they had any children. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
After such a rich and varied family history, this branch of the family tree died with Olga | 0:41:04 | 0:41:10 | |
in a London hospital. It was now clear that her estate would go to the Treasury. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:16 | |
So how large was the Dembinski fortune? We may never know. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
Even if Olga had owned her London property, when she died she was penniless. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:28 | |
The slings and arrows of modern history may have taken their toll on their assets. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:34 | |
It was a real challenge to hold on to your status and your wealth in the 19th and early 20th centuries | 0:41:34 | 0:41:41 | |
with the chance of falling on the wrong side of the regime. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
So if a noble family made it through the First World War | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
into independent Poland in the 1920s and 1930s, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
and was still in possession of most of its wealth, it was doing extremely well. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
When the team started on this case, they may have seen pound signs, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
but in the end it was the family's story that left an impact on partner Neil Fraser. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:13 | |
We all thought we were dealing with the case of a lifetime. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
We probably have dealt with the case of a lifetime. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
I don't think we'll ever again research into a countess with possible royal Polish links. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:28 | |
It's not all about the money, but sometimes the most interesting bit is the social side. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:35 | |
If we learned anything, not all countesses are rich. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk | 0:42:41 | 0:42:48 | |
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