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Today the heir hunters are tested to the max on a case worth an estimated £100,000.

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The search may take them to relatives who have no idea they're in line for a windfall.

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Could they be knocking at your door?

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On today's show -

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It's not hers.

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The team takes a huge risk.

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Still unsure there's any value in this.

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Is there a way their gamble will pay off?

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The whole of this work may go in the bin.

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The heir hunters join forces with a friend of the deceased

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to try to contact the rightful heirs.

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I don't see why it should go to the government.

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It's a hunt which will retrace a journey from 1950s Jamaica.

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Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates

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where beneficiaries still need to be found.

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Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall?

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Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will.

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If no relatives are found, then any money that's left behind will go to the government.

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Last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates.

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But there are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening.

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They're called heir hunters.

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It's their business to track down missing relatives

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and help them claim their rightful inheritance.

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I bring about a change, so that the rightful assets go to the rightful family members.

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The Treasury's list of unclaimed estates is released at midnight every Thursday.

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It's now 7am on Thursday morning, in London.

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There are a lot of names on the list.

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Staff at heir-hunting company Fraser and Fraser

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have come in early to beat the competition.

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Got this case of Glanfield coming out in Ipswich.

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Turned out to be quite a big family.

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So we're just sorting them out.

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They've got the beginnings of a family tree,

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and even some names of potential heirs,

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for a case called Mary Glanfield.

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The team's made fast progress researching the deceased.

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They've worked out that Mary died in Ipswich in 2007, aged 69.

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She may have owned her own property,

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something that could make this estate worth working.

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Somehow, they need to confirm that Mary was a home owner.

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Trying to find phone numbers for any neighbours of the deceased.

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Neighbour enquiries can be really invaluable for us.

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The Treasury's list doesn't reveal what estates are worth,

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so it's up to heir hunters to estimate their value.

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As they normally work on commission,

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picking the right case can be a real gamble.

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The next step is to confirm whether there's any value in this,

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and if we should be continuing or stopping our costs now.

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Mary Glanfield was born in Ipswich just before the war, in 1938.

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She was something of an enigma, and no photos of her can be traced.

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But former neighbours do recall

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a warm, friendly lady, and her partner, Fred.

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She was a very nice person, very bubbly.

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Very happy together.

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I was invited round for a cup of tea.

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Fred and Mary showed me round the place they shared together.

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She was a lovely person.

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For eight years, the couple lived beside another neighbour, Mr Parsons.

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We didn't see them as much as hear them, they were always laughing.

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On a Sunday they'd be in the kitchen together, singing hymns, very happily.

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Until Fred unfortunately passed away, in his hundreds.

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Shortly after that, we believe she moved into a home.

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Mary lived in a care home in Ipswich until she was nearly 70,

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and sadly passed away in November 2007.

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Back at the office,

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the team's trying to find out if Mary definitely owned her own property.

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Who did you buy your house off? Was it...

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You're renting.

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Partner Andrew Fraser has contacted the new occupant of Mary's old house.

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Will they know if Mary was a home owner?

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But he bought it from the Glanfields. Yeah.

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OK. Sorry for disturbing you, but thank you very much for the help.

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Possible. We're still on a possible.

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Her husband died aged 104?

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Her husband?

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But the only record of a Mary Glanfield they found wasn't married.

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She's a spinster.

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It looks like the research isn't matching up.

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The current resident believes Mary was married.

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The Mary Glanfield we've been working

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was a spinster birth, ie, she was born as Mary Glanfield.

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If this person's right, and she was married,

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everything we've done so far is the wrong family.

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It's back to the records to double-check their research.

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Another database soon throws up a new result.

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We've now found out that she lived with a gentleman who did indeed die aged 101.

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They're different surnames, so they possibly weren't married.

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Some women do keep their own name, so

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we need to double-check there is no marriage for them.

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They've confirmed that Mary lived with Fred Potter.

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If the couple weren't married, did Mary inherit the property?

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This was the very reason they decided to work the case.

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It's got partner Andrew Fraser worried.

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I'm working on the basis that the property, potentially, was owned by Mr Potter.

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He leaves a will and leaves it all to this Mary Glanfield.

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And it's her estate to which we're working.

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There are the assumptions we're making.

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If we're wrong on any point of that assumption,

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then we could be on a dead-end road.

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After such a head start, the uncertainty is a big setback.

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At the moment, ten past eight, we're still unsure if there's any value in this.

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It's a gamble, but Andrew decides to invest in the case.

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He's asked a researcher to go to Ipswich

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to make some enquiries at the property.

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The company employs a network of regional heir hunters

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who are on standby every Thursday.

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They provide a vital role making door-to-door enquiries

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across the country in the race to find and sign up heirs.

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This morning, traveller Ewart Lindsey is being sent from Watford

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to travel 94 miles to Ipswich.

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Can he find out if the couple were married?

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First step is to make an enquiry where the deceased used to live.

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You just never know, you see. She may well be a spinster.

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But you just never know.

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While Ewart tries to get some answers,

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the team continue their research into Mary's former property.

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They've just heard the house was sold.

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Frederick Potter was in on his own, then Mary,

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the deceased, moves in.

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Just before she dies, she moves into a nursing home.

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Her property is sold just before she dies.

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Public records don't show whether the property was in Mary's name.

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But if it was hers,

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the estate could be very valuable.

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A house in this location would have sold

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for an estimated £150,000.

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If it all went to Mary, it makes this case worth working.

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So the team goes ahead with the search for heirs to Mary Glanfield's mystery estate.

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Mary Glanfield's brother, Roger F Glanfield, died only aged 20, in 1960, in Reading.

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There's no marriages before he died, obviously at that age you wouldn't expect it.

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So, he's died, probably with no issue.

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Researcher Dominic has been building Mary's family tree.

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All the stems have revealed themselves very easily.

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He's worked out that Mary was born to Frank Glanfield and Ella Hardingham in Ipswich in 1938.

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She had a younger brother, Roger, who had no issue,

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which in heir-hunting terms, means he had no children.

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Her father, Frank, did have five siblings.

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But none of them had any children either.

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That side looks like it's dead.

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One minor, one bachelor and three marriages with no issue.

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Which is strange, but I've double-checked.

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With no cousins on her father's side,

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any heirs to Mary Glanfield's estate are going to come from her mother's side.

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Ella Hardingham had seven siblings,

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and it looks like they do have descendants.

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If it's been this easy for the team to discover the family tree,

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the competition may have the same information.

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The team rushes to find a contact number for one of Mary's cousins.

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This could be their first heir.

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Right, this woman here, if she's alive, would be the heir.

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Her husband had them in 1999. Daughter and son-in-law.

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Case manager David Pacifico calls the possible heir

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to try to sign her ahead of the competition.

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The opposition are on the phones.

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But it's a frustrating situation. Both lines are engaged.

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Great! Might as well wait until the opposition speak to them.

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If the competition's on the other line, the company may lose the case.

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David has to make a quick-fire decision.

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PHONE RINGS

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-Hello?

-Hello, Ewart. Morning.

-Morning, David.

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-Are you on your way to Ipswich?

-I am, yes.

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I've got a phone number for somebody in Ipswich.

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-Sounds like the opposition are on the phone to her.

-Right.

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We've got an address in Ipswich of a daughter... well, a cousin once removed.

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What do you want me to do? Go straight there?

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At the moment, I'd rather you go there.

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Although they haven't established the value of the estate,

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Ewart is taken off enquiries at Mary's former property

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to approach an heir who also lives in Ipswich.

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He's hoping to get there before a rival company signs her up.

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Trying to work it out.

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If she's speaking to the opposition at this present moment,

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I should be there by 9:30-ish.

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I hope to pip them to the post.

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Charm my way in.

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And... get a signature.

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Losing the case to a rival company is a real possibility.

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Meanwhile, David keeps dialling the number for the heir.

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And his persistence soon pays off.

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Oh, it's ringing!

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Hello, we're trying to trace members of the Hardingham family.

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I don't know if anyone else has contacted you, at all?

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Right, I thought as much.

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We are a different company, that are looking into the same matter.

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It's bad news.

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It seems the heir has already been spoken to by the competition.

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One of my colleagues is actually close to Ipswich.

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Would it be possible for him to meet with you?

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I was hoping, if it's convenient, this morning.

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Not at all, today?

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Things aren't going the team's way.

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The heir doesn't want to meet anyone from the company.

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We can't see her today.

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Do we want him in Ipswich? The only other thing would be an enquiry.

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The team want to send Ewart back to do the enquiry

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at Mary's address, to confirm their research.

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But across the office, staff have found another case which has a definite value.

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-Ewart can't see the woman.

-I've spoken to the heir.

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-Can you send Ewart to Croydon, please?

-Croydon?

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As heir hunting is such a gamble,

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partner Neil Fraser makes the decision to cut their losses

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and send Ewart to the valuable Croydon case instead.

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-Hello?

-Ewart, that woman can't be seen today and there's nobody else

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-in Ipswich. Can you go to Croydon?

-Croydon. Okey-dokey.

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It's a disappointment for the team.

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The hunt for Mary Glanfield's heirs

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is falling apart at the seams.

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They have no idea of the estate's value,

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and if they contact relatives, it could be a waste of time.

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But Andrew Fraser doesn't give up that easily.

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He has a new plan which might put the case back on track.

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We're still working blind, in terms of value.

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We have to wait until the Probate Office opens at 10 o'clock

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before we can have any indication whether she actually owned a property or not.

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It's now approaching 9:30.

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A researcher is being sent to the Probate Registry

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to apply for Fred Potter's will, when the doors open at 10 o'clock.

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If they can get it, it will reveal

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if Fred left his property to Mary, then it will be all systems go.

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But if Mary didn't inherit, this heir hunt could have been a complete waste of time.

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Coming up - can this investigation be saved?

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I hope there's value there. If not, we'll come a real cropper on this.

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While some unclaimed estates lead to relatives a few streets away,

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others can cross the globe.

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Keith Alexander Saunders died in 2008 without leaving a will.

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His unclaimed estate was advertised by the Treasury Solicitor.

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When staff at Fraser and Fraser made initial enquiries,

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their leads went nowhere.

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The case was put on the back burner.

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And that's where it would have stayed, unless case manager

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Tony Pledger hadn't got a phone call from one of Keith's close friends.

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The case of Keith Saunders, otherwise Keith Sanders,

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really didn't get going until we received a telephone call from Minette Smith,

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with additional information that she had about her good friend.

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Seven miles away in south London, Minette Smith had been doing her own amateur heir hunt

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to make sure Keith's relatives received his inheritance.

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I don't see why it should go to the government.

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I just feel that if he's got family, then it should go to them.

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Keith became a life-long friend of Minette's family

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when he moved from Jamaica in the 1950s.

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I met Keith in 1956, when I was 12 years old.

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He would come around at whenever, the weekends,

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Saturdays, Sundays, and

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just be part of the family.

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He was a jolly person.

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He'd always give me,

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when I was a child, and my children, two shillings. Half a crown.

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But as he got older, he got a bit tighter. But that was Keith.

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Keith spent his life working for British Rail.

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When he reached his 80s,

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Minette moved him into sheltered housing and took care of his affairs.

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Eventually, Keith died in Enfield, at the age of 83.

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Minette found out he hadn't left a will and was worried what would happen to his money.

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I thought maybe he had made it, even if he had left it to charity or whatever.

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I didn't push because I didn't want him to think that I was after what he had.

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And of course, as I said, I did not believe that he had,

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you know, as much money as it happens he's left.

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To Minette's surprise, it seemed Keith had left £90,000.

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She was determined to find Keith's long-lost relatives,

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and started her own search for heirs back in 2009.

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Apparently his mother had just him and his sister, Elaine.

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Elaine apparently had children.

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Minette didn't have a contact for his sister,

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as Keith had lost touch with his sibling.

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He did keep in touch with his sister

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until about 30 years ago, when he lost trace of her,

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sending her a card at Christmas, with a postal order in it,

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and it actually came back

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and that was the end of their connection.

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So Minette placed an advert in a Jamaican newspaper,

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looking for information about Keith's sister.

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I did it very discreetly, just looking for Elaine,

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rather than letting people know that he had died.

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The advert didn't produce any results.

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Minette had drawn a blank with her research into Keith's missing relatives.

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But then she heard about the professional heir hunters,

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and decided to contact one of the companies.

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The person who took the call was Tony Pledger.

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He hoped fresh information about Keith from a friend who'd known him 52 years

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could move the investigation forward.

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She was able to give us a potential place of birth for the deceased.

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She also had some knowledge of the assets of the estate.

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And as a friend of the deceased, she had some family information.

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Personal knowledge is invaluable to an heir hunt.

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The team now knew where Keith was from,

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and could hone the research to an island in the Caribbean.

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Like so many others, Keith had emigrated from Jamaica to the UK in 1950,

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seen to be a home from home for British Caribbean people.

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Immigrants from Jamaica would have viewed Britain as the mother country.

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They felt an affinity to it.

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That they belonged there.

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Their education had been essentially a British education.

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They felt at one with it,

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so theirs would have been, if you like, an idealised view of what they would find.

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So 26-year-old Keith would have paid a fare of £28 to board a ship bound for England.

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After the Second World War,

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Britain was keen to attract migrant workers to its shores.

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Britain needed labour after the Second World War.

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They needed to replenish, revitalise the economy.

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There was obviously loss of male workforce as a result of the war,

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and a need to build the economy and get people working,

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not necessarily in highly skilled areas, but in more unskilled areas.

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So the government passed a law to help people

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from its former overseas territories settle in Britain.

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In 1948,

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Britain passed the Citizen Act.

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It went under the Latin title of

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Civis Britannicus Sum -

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"I am British".

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So that, in fact, I think, opened the gate

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for the people coming to Britain.

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Like many other Jamaicans, Keith settled in the UK,

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and began a new career working with British Rail.

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The nationalised industries,

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like, for instance, British Rail,

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London Transport,

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did not have a colour bar,

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and the union seems to support that.

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So that's the reason why most Jamaicans

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tried to find a job in one of the nationalised industries.

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Keith had arrived in a country which seemed to offer more opportunities than his homeland.

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But growing resentment towards immigrants in the UK didn't make life easy.

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It was very difficult for the immigrants to find,

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one would argue, decent accommodation.

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They were forced by landlords to pay excessive rents for very poor-quality housing

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and live in very overcrowded conditions.

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The new immigrant population began to find solutions to their housing problems,

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like at the boarding house in north London, where both Minette's family and Keith had lived.

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Early pioneer immigrants bought up properties and re-let them

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to more recent arrivals,

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sometimes charging excessive rents and sometimes not.

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And that created communities as well, a nexus of community,

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as the landlords developed their holding on properties.

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So that was one way of fighting back or accommodating the needs

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of immigrants who were suffering at the hands of local racists.

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Keith settled in Britain, and stayed for the rest of his life like many of his countrymen.

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But surprisingly, he never once returned to his birthplace of Jamaica.

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It could be that he came here and he... the life...

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he had made for himself was so different from the one he left,

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that he just didn't want to spoil it.

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I don't think we seriously thought we'd be back in five years,

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but we certainly didn't intend to stay.

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Now the search for heirs to Keith's £90,000 estate

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was focused on the country he left behind.

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Did he have living relatives in Jamaica,

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and would the heir hunters be able to find them?

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Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year,

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and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs.

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But not every case can be cracked.

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The Treasury has a list of over 2000 estates

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which have baffled the heir hunters and are unsolved.

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Could you be the heir they've been searching for?

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Are you in line for a windfall worth hundreds, thousands or even millions of pounds?

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Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years,

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and today we're focusing on three names -

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are they relatives of yours?

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Victor Albert Haber from Edmonton in London

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died in August 1992.

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If heirs aren't found, his money will go to the government.

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Did you know Florence Patricia De Groot,

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who died in Brighton on January the 2nd, 1999?

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De Groot is a rare surname, originating from Holland.

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The last census showed that only one in a million people had this name in England and Wales.

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Also on our list is John Richard Kendrick,

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who died in July, 2006.

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He was from Stratford-Upon-Avon.

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All efforts to trace his relatives have drawn a blank.

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If the names Victor Haber, Florence De Groot or John Kendrick mean anything to you

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or someone you know, you could have an unexpected windfall coming your way.

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Sometimes, an heir hunt begins when people are desperate

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to find family members of their departed friends.

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In 2010, Minette Smith called the heir hunters

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and asked them to find the family of her friend Keith Saunders, who'd died without leaving a will.

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He had a beautiful smile and he was a jolly person, you'd just have a good laugh.

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It seemed Keith had left an estate worth around £90,000,

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and Minette was determined it should go to his rightful heirs.

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And crucially, she was convinced Keith had a sister called Elaine.

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I just feel that if he's got family, it should go to them.

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Now the heir hunters had leads on Keith Saunders,

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they could make a start.

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The first thing that we need to do in any case

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is to obtain a copy of the death record of the deceased.

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Having got a copy of that, it indicated a date of birth,

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and just Jamaica.

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The death certificate gave them little to go on.

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They needed to know the exact town where Keith was born.

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And there was some confusion about Keith's name.

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The death cert'

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hindered more than helped in as much as all it did was give a potential extra surname.

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His surname on the death record is given as Sanders, S-A-N-D-E-R-S.

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It's our understanding that it is Saunders, S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S,

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which makes a lot of difference when you're searching for a name filed alphabetically.

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The team turn to Minette.

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Having known Keith for 52 years,

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could she shed some light on his name or birthplace?

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People that actually knew the decedent quite well are convinced it's Saunders,

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so I'd rather go with somebody who actually knew the deceased

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rather than somebody who might have only been involved with them after they're deceased

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through their own employment.

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On Minette's advice that Keith was called Saunders

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and born in St Anne parish, Jamaica,

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the team began to search for his birth certificate.

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But an overseas heir hunt is never easy.

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The registration in Jamaica is, I understand, a bit haphazard,

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which is why we put it out to a Jamaican agent.

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The fact that that agent has been unable to find anything positive and report back to us

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doesn't in any way reflect on the agent.

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It might be just the poor quality of the records.

0:28:090:28:13

A birth record would have given them Keith's parents' name,

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but the local heir hunter couldn't find the certificate.

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So the team turned to Minette again.

0:28:200:28:23

Minette was able to give us the name of a sister,

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and she recollected who she thought his mum was.

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But to try and find the death of a Ruby Saunders or Sanders...

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If you find two or three, which one is the right one, if any?

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Minette told them Keith's mother was called Ruby Saunders,

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and he had a sister, Elaine.

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But nothing in this heir hunt was going to plan.

0:28:490:28:52

With regard to the potential sister as Elaine,

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Minette thought she was Elaine Stanley.

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Whether she was born as Stanley or she married a Mr Stanley,

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or she just lived with a Mr Stanley and took on his name,

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is something that Minette didn't know and we couldn't establish.

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It wasn't clear if Elaine was known by her maiden name or her married name.

0:29:160:29:21

But the team urgently needed to find her.

0:29:210:29:24

Keith's sister's children would be heirs to his estate.

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She would, I think, have been born probably after him, a couple of years,

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perhaps about, say, 1926 or so.

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That she was a nurse, probably in Allman Town in Kingston,

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and that she had, I think, three or four children

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who would, of course, be nephews and nieces of the decedent.

0:29:460:29:50

Tony got on the phone to call hospitals in Jamaica

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to check their former employees for an Elaine Stanley.

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Their records

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didn't really cover nurses

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who would probably have been a nurse in the hospital best part of 30 years ago, perhaps.

0:30:020:30:08

The conversations with hospital staff didn't give them any leads,

0:30:090:30:13

so they used the Jamaican phonebook to call families named Stanley.

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You could easily ring somebody and say, "I'm trying to reach Elaine Stanley."

0:30:180:30:23

"Was that somebody in your family?"

0:30:230:30:25

They might have had an Elaine Stanley, but is it the right family?

0:30:270:30:31

Without concrete details like birth records,

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the team had to accept they couldn't find Keith's sister in Jamaica.

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There was one last lead to follow.

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Minette knew of another possible relative who'd lived in England.

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It's our understanding that the decedent came to England in about 1950

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to potentially live with an uncle.

0:30:510:30:55

That would mean he came over here at about 26,

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because he'd be about 86 if he was alive today.

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If that uncle had had children,

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they would be cousins of the deceased

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and as such would have a potential entitlement.

0:31:100:31:13

It's thought Keith's uncle had lived in London.

0:31:140:31:17

But the team had no name,

0:31:170:31:19

so they had no way of finding him or connecting him to Keith.

0:31:190:31:23

Short of travelling to Jamaica and visiting every parish, the team was running out of options.

0:31:230:31:29

And they had no guarantees the case was worth £90,000.

0:31:290:31:34

One doesn't know what's happened to that since he's died.

0:31:340:31:38

We can't confirm that that figure is accurate.

0:31:380:31:41

We're in a Catch-22 situation. We don't want to invest too much effort

0:31:410:31:45

only to find that if we succeed, we don't cover our costs.

0:31:450:31:49

Without knowing the exact value,

0:31:500:31:51

the team couldn't invest much more time or money researching the estate.

0:31:510:31:56

But that doesn't mean the search is over.

0:31:560:32:00

What could progress this case is somebody

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realising that they either knew Keith or were related to Keith.

0:32:040:32:09

If Keith came over in 1950, he could have married.

0:32:090:32:12

He could have had children who could be anywhere in the world, but hopefully they're in the UK.

0:32:120:32:19

For Minette Smith, Keith's lifelong friend,

0:32:200:32:23

it will be a great comfort when heirs are finally found.

0:32:230:32:26

I'm just hoping that we

0:32:280:32:29

get some answers and find some relatives

0:32:290:32:33

and that they can enjoy what he's worked very hard for.

0:32:330:32:39

So could you or someone you know be related to Keith Alexander Saunders from Jamaica?

0:32:410:32:47

If so, you could be entitled to his unclaimed estate,

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estimated at £90,000.

0:32:510:32:54

In central London, the heir hunters have been looking into the case of Mary Glanfield.

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In no time at all, they've built a large family tree.

0:33:090:33:13

It looks like we've got more possible stems out of Ipswich.

0:33:150:33:19

Trouble is, they still don't know how much the case is worth

0:33:190:33:23

so everything they're doing is a gamble.

0:33:230:33:26

If it's a low-value case, the commission will barely pay for the work they've done,

0:33:260:33:31

let alone the months of paperwork ahead.

0:33:310:33:34

I don't like the look of this, I really don't.

0:33:340:33:36

It'll be a low-value case. We're getting into large families here.

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Mary Glanfield lived with Fred Potter, a man 30 years her senior,

0:33:430:33:47

as neighbours recall.

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She was a very nice person. Very bubbly.

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And very happy together.

0:33:520:33:54

It's been hard to establish if Mary and Fred were married,

0:33:540:33:58

and that affects whether she owned the property they lived in.

0:33:580:34:02

With all the confusion, partner Neil Fraser has stepped in to nail down some hard facts.

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For us it's vital to work out if the estate has some value,

0:34:090:34:13

especially when the tree gets this big.

0:34:130:34:15

Quite a few staff working on it.

0:34:150:34:17

My brother's been looking at some of it this morning trying to work out values.

0:34:170:34:23

I've now moved in to give a hand on that and see what else is happening.

0:34:230:34:28

What we do know is that Mary had a partner, 101 years old when he died.

0:34:280:34:33

This is Frederick Potter.

0:34:330:34:35

Neil urgently wants to know what Fred's relationship was to Mary,

0:34:360:34:40

and if she was the sole beneficiary to his estate when he died in 2005.

0:34:400:34:45

He left a will, that's been registered at First Avenue House.

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We've applied for a copy of that.

0:34:490:34:51

It will take at least an hour to get that copy.

0:34:510:34:55

In the meantime, we know the value of that probate was £109,000.

0:34:550:34:59

What we're hoping to find from this probate

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is that he left it all to Mary. If he left it to someone else,

0:35:030:35:07

then we may be dealing with a very, very small estate

0:35:070:35:11

and the whole of this work may go in the bin.

0:35:110:35:14

The team has already spent valuable time and effort investigating this case.

0:35:150:35:19

...had a brief look at marriages.

0:35:190:35:21

Now researcher Noel has discovered some information that could change the picture completely.

0:35:210:35:28

-You know this Frederick Potter guy?

-Yeah.

0:35:280:35:31

Still haven't got the details of the will back?

0:35:320:35:34

He was married.

0:35:340:35:36

He's probably got three kids.

0:35:360:35:39

And the question is, do they benefit?

0:35:410:35:44

Fred and Mary weren't married, and he had three children from a previous marriage

0:35:440:35:49

who he might have left his estate to.

0:35:490:35:51

This means Mary might not have got much of an inheritance at all.

0:35:510:35:56

I'm worried about...

0:35:560:35:57

I leave my children the bulk of the estate and leave £5,000 to Mary.

0:35:580:36:04

Things are looking bleak for the team.

0:36:040:36:07

It's now more important than ever they get Fred's will.

0:36:080:36:12

David calls the researcher who's gone to the Probate Office for an update.

0:36:120:36:17

Can you really keep an eye on that one?

0:36:170:36:20

It's highly important to get that one and phone it through down here.

0:36:200:36:25

After an anxious 45-minute wait,

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David gets a call back about the details of the will.

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It's the moment they've been waiting for. Did Mary inherit the house?

0:36:330:36:38

What does he give to Mary?

0:36:380:36:40

Sorry, he left his property to Mary, or is it a life...

0:36:450:36:49

Until when? Until she dies?

0:36:500:36:52

And then what happens if she dies?

0:36:580:37:00

It's not looking good.

0:37:000:37:02

So it's upon trust for her while she's still using it?

0:37:020:37:06

He's not actually given it to her?

0:37:060:37:08

Right.

0:37:110:37:12

The will contains the exact news they didn't want to hear,

0:37:140:37:18

and David rushes to tell Neil.

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It's not hers.

0:37:200:37:22

It's for use for her.

0:37:220:37:24

Free of mortgage for her

0:37:250:37:28

until she leaves or dies.

0:37:280:37:30

It can't be sold without her consent.

0:37:310:37:33

-He's bringing the will back at one o'clock.

-No money in it.

0:37:330:37:37

Fred's property was given to Mary until she died.

0:37:390:37:42

Then the ownership reverted to his children.

0:37:420:37:45

Mary's estate doesn't include the detached bungalow she lived in,

0:37:450:37:49

the asset which made this heir hunt worthwhile.

0:37:490:37:52

My thought's we got this far, we do it by post,

0:37:520:37:56

and we say, "What now?"

0:37:560:37:58

The team knows that pressing ahead could be pointless.

0:37:580:38:02

Neil's on the verge of pulling the plug on this case.

0:38:020:38:05

But could there be one line of enquiry they haven't yet tried?

0:38:050:38:09

What if Mary had previously owned any of the houses she had lived in?

0:38:100:38:14

See if we've got a previous address for her.

0:38:140:38:18

If it's of an age where we can work out if she sold it to move in with him.

0:38:180:38:24

If Neil's right, his hunch might just redeem the heir hunt.

0:38:240:38:28

If she owned the property, we know there's value.

0:38:280:38:31

Shall we continue working until...

0:38:330:38:36

Oh, yeah. Keep working.

0:38:360:38:38

Even if it's low value, as I said to Neil, we got this far.

0:38:380:38:42

Research focuses on Mary's former addresses -

0:38:430:38:46

had she owned any of the houses?

0:38:460:38:49

Where was she before that, '04?

0:38:490:38:52

Can we check previous addresses?

0:38:530:38:55

Approve these ones.

0:38:580:38:59

Did she own number 1, do you know?

0:38:590:39:02

These are not rented properties?

0:39:050:39:08

One address starts to look promising.

0:39:080:39:11

You've been most helpful, thank you very much.

0:39:120:39:15

The results of David's phone call

0:39:150:39:18

could be a breakthrough. It looks likely

0:39:180:39:20

that Mary owned and sold a house in 1999.

0:39:200:39:24

We've found out where

0:39:250:39:26

she used to live, and I think she may have owned that property, so

0:39:260:39:31

at the end of the day, I think there is value to this estate.

0:39:310:39:35

So, if that's the case, then all the people we've chased,

0:39:350:39:39

it's certainly been worthwhile to do so.

0:39:390:39:41

The heir hunt is back on.

0:39:410:39:43

Finally, the team can work

0:39:450:39:47

on the basis that there is a sizeable inheritance in the Glanfield estate.

0:39:470:39:52

Neil works fast to produce an estimate.

0:39:520:39:56

I've got an old address now. David's done a phone enquiry.

0:39:560:39:59

We know that property's been sold.

0:39:590:40:02

It's been sold twice. I can't tell if she sold it,

0:40:020:40:05

but I know it was sold round about when she moved out.

0:40:050:40:08

It was sold for £165,000.

0:40:080:40:11

Give or take a bit, we're probably still dealing with a £100,000 estate,

0:40:110:40:16

but it's from a different asset.

0:40:160:40:18

It's a topsy-turvy heir hunt.

0:40:180:40:20

It's now one o'clock and they've just established the estate's worth working.

0:40:210:40:25

This is what the team would normally make certain of at the start of the day.

0:40:250:40:30

And while they've been busy,

0:40:300:40:31

a rival firm has spoken to an heir.

0:40:310:40:35

They know that five of Mary's seven aunts and uncles had children,

0:40:360:40:40

leading to a wide family on her mother's side.

0:40:400:40:44

Now they urgently need to contact and sign up the other heirs.

0:40:440:40:48

Is there a Mr Hardingham there?

0:40:480:40:51

It would have been your mother's cousin.

0:40:540:40:57

Does the name Glanfield mean anything to you?

0:40:580:41:00

I will be writing to you both today.

0:41:010:41:04

Thank you very much. Bye-bye.

0:41:050:41:07

So that stem is complete, right? The Derek stem is complete.

0:41:090:41:13

Neil's brainwave has saved the heir hunt,

0:41:130:41:16

much to his relief.

0:41:160:41:18

What looked like a fairly good day turned into a very bad day,

0:41:180:41:22

and has now had a ray of sunshine, so it's a good day after all.

0:41:220:41:27

Over the coming weeks, the company signs

0:41:280:41:31

several heirs from the 28 relatives who are entitled

0:41:310:41:34

to Mary Glanfield's estate,

0:41:340:41:37

which Neil estimates is worth £100,000.

0:41:370:41:41

One of the heirs is Royce Derek,

0:41:420:41:44

who's Mary's first cousin, once removed.

0:41:440:41:47

He couldn't contain his surprise when he heard he was in line for a small windfall.

0:41:470:41:52

In a word, shocked, well, sad.

0:41:520:41:57

My sister, out of the blue, rang me and said,

0:41:570:42:02

"This chap has knocked at the door."

0:42:020:42:06

And he said we're related...

0:42:060:42:10

hopefully related to this Mary,

0:42:100:42:14

who we knew nothing about.

0:42:150:42:17

Royce didn't know his father's relatives,

0:42:180:42:22

but he's grateful to inherit from a mystery cousin.

0:42:220:42:26

I shall spend it, and enjoy it.

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In recognition of thanks to her.

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If you would like advice about building a family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk.

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