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It's early morning and one heir hunter has hit the road to chase up new information | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
about a case worth over £2 million. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
He's hoping to track down long-lost relatives who have no idea | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
they could be in line for a life-changing sum. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Could he be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
The heir hunters try to solve one of their biggest ever cases. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
The multi-million-pound estate of a dishevelled recluse. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
I am totally astonished that he had so much money. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
I would never have guessed he was so wealthy. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
As the heir hunters look at a case in West London, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
is a £600,000 Kensington flat just the tip of an iceberg? | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
Reasonable to assume if you've have a good quality leasehold property, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
that you've got a good quality bank account to go with it. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Plus how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
where beneficiaries still need to be found. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Could you be in line for windfall? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
If no relatives are found, then any money left behind goes to Her Majesty's Government. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:34 | |
Last year, the Crown made £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:41 | |
There are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
Known as heir hunters, their business is to track down | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
I make sure that the Government doesn't seize assets | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
which do not belong to them. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
Every Thursday morning, heir hunting companies across the land | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
scrutinise the Treasury's latest list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
I guess she's the sister... | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
Working on commission, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
they're looking for estates that are valuable enough | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
for them to invest time and money of to find heirs. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
We're missing the birth of her father. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
One estate which was first released by the Treasury in 2006 | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
is that of David John Roberts. Heir hunting company, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Celtic Research, have spent the last five years trying to find his heirs. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
And with good reason. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
This one looked funny because it was listed as only worth about £2,000. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
A week after that, the value changed. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:54 | |
It was the same case and instead of £2,000, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
it was £2 million. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
£2 million is a colossal sum. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
and could give Peter his largest ever pay-day. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
But David Roberts has proved to be an enigmatic figure. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
The search for his heirs has been an uphill struggle. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
David Hugh John Roberts died in a modest, first-floor flat | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
in Raynes Park in London in 2005. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
He was a successful businessman | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and, the 1970s, an active member of his local Conservative Club. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
He eventually became chairman, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
and friends from the club remember him as a pleasant, but private man. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
When he came into the club he was always well dressed. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
He always wore a suit and tie. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
He always looked businesslike. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
The way he acted was much the same. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
In the mid-1980s, David suddenly resigned as chairman of the club | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
and cut himself off from everyone he knew there. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Over the next 20 years, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
it seems that he retreated away from this life. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
To his neighbours, he was someone they saw | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
as a rather dishevelled recluse. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
I did see him walking along the road, pretty much every day. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
He didn't look smart, his clothing were rather shabby, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
rather long, grey hair. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
He didn't really keep himself in trim condition. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
But in death it emerged there was more | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
to the mysterious David Roberts than appearances suggested. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
At some point, he'd been wealthy enough to squirrel away | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
an enormous £2 million fortune. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
For those who'd known David as successful businessman, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
this wasn't a surprise. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
He never gave the impression that he was short of money. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
What his financial position was I don't think anybody really new. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
He certainly gave the impression that he had some money. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Cracking the case of David Roberts and his £2 million estate | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
has become something of a holy grail for the heir hunters. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Peter Birchwood and his son, Hector, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
have over 40 years combined experience in the genealogy game | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
and like to solve the cases other companies have given up on. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
If we check on the telephone directory, it might show up. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Several heir hunters have tried to crack the Roberts case, but they've been defeated | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
by a lack of information. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Now there's hope that it could finally be solved. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
In 2010, new information has come to light. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Peter has wasted no time reopening the case. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
One of the main things is the 1911 census | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
which was not available at the time that we worked on the case. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
I consulted that and we might | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
have some information that could be valuable. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
The tantalising new information in the 1911 census | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
has got Peter really excited. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It shows two new children listed | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
in the Robert's household who weren't there in 1901. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It's the offspring of these children that could potentially | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
lead Peter to the rightful heirs to David Roberts's £2 million estate. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Big value cases have, on the whole, proved to be unsolvable. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:36 | |
Perhaps this one might be different. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Peter and Hector began work | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
on this case long before the 1911 census was released. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
They have already thoroughly researched | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
David's family background. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
The deceased didn't have a wife or children | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
and no siblings. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
Peter has looked into David's mother's family | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
in the hope of finding aunts and uncles that may lead him to cousins. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
He's learnt that David's mum, Ethel, had two sisters, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
one who died in infancy and another who died in 1979, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
leaving no children. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
With one side of the family dead, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
we were working on the Roberts family, the paternal cousin line. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Peter has had to go way back down the generations. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
The father, Hugh David Roberts | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
was one of four children. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
They all lived in Dolwyddelan. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
The Roberts family had been in the area for generations. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
David's grandparents, Catherine and Hugh Roberts, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
had indeed raised four children, including David's father, Hugh. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
But Hugh's sister, Elizabeth, had died without children | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
and his other sister and brother had disappeared from all records. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
This is hugely frustrating for Peter. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
These siblings would have been David's aunts and uncles | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
and could have led him to heirs. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
But Peter has learnt that David's grandfather was a slate quarry man. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
So how did David end up in London with a high flying city career? | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
The answer is his father, also Hugh, who moved away in the 1900s. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
The father of the deceased was one of the Welsh emigrants, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
if you can put it like that, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
who came to London back in the early years of the 1900s. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
Before he married, he was apprenticed as a draper | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
in one of the old-time Oxford Street department stores. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
David's father worked in Marshall and Snelgrove, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
a textile retailer of distinction, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
established in 1878 on London's busy Oxford Street. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
Marshall and Snelgrove, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
and in some ways its great rival, Swan and Edgar of Piccadilly, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
they were upmarket stores. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
There was a battle going on for who | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
was going to be the classiest store in London. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Marshall and Snelgrove were certainly | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
key players in that battle. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
As London boomed in the early 1900s, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
the department stores needed specific labour skills. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
People from the provinces, like Hugh, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
were in a good position to provide it. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Unfortunately, he had to start at the bottom. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
The job of an assistant draper would be pretty much a dogsbody. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
It's pretty mundane work at that level. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
All the time you're hoping that you'd eventually | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
become a sales person yourself. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Hugh Roberts may have been a humble draper's assistant, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
but his son went on to become a multi-millionaire. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
Peter's hot on the trial of his heirs. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
The two new children mentioned, in the census, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
could be the key to cracking the case, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
so Peter's decided to hit the road. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
He doesn't have much to go on, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
but he's heading to the Llandudno register office in North Wales, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
where records of the Roberts family's births, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
deaths and marriages are kept. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
The step-grandmother of the deceased | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
is shown as having two children with Hugh Roberts, the grandfather. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
These children could be David's are half-blood aunt and uncle. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
It's an exciting lead and Peter's come to see the registrar, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
armed with information about David's grandfather Hugh's | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
second marriage to Margaret A Jones. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
-How are you? -Oh, not so bad. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Pleased to meet you. Have yourself a seat. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Somewhere between 1901 and 1911 | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
there's a birth in this family. Probably two, possibly twins. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
I would like to know if that's at all possible. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Peter wants to cross-reference the information on the census | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
with records held at the register office. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
This will confirm that he's onto the right family. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
I know it says here on the 1911 census | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
that they had been married for 12 years. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
1486, yeah... | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Peter's hoping to see a copy of Hugh and Margaret's marriage certificate. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
This could help him find out if the couple went on to have children | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
who could lead him to heirs. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Hugh Roberts, Margaret Anne Jones. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Mmm, I wonder if it's the right person? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Hugh should have a father, also called Hugh. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
-No. -Ah... -Robert. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
So that then is the wrong marriage. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
It's a dead end. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
The marriage records don't match the information | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Peter has from the census | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
so he tries a different approach. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
We have got that Margaret, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
that would be Margaret Roberts, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
died on 29th July, 1932 in Dolwyddelan. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
Right. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
It's another tense wait for Peter. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
Margaret Roberts's death certificate | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
could be almost as useful as records for her marriage | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
to David's grandfather. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Is it the key to cracking this £2 million case? | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Coming up... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
The search reveals more about David's successful City career, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
but does it get Peter any closer to finding heirs? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Penny Belchambers was born in 1944 in Tonbridge. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
She died in hospital, in London, aged just 64. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
Penny had lived in her Kensington flat for years | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
and the porter remembers her as a very private person. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
She didn't like to talk to anybody. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
She'd just go out, come back and never said anything to anybody. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Penny died without leaving a will | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
and few people seem to know anything about her. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
But, Roderick Dannatt knew Penny through his father, Denzel. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Well I knew her in her late 50s. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
She used to work in central government. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
In an earlier time, she travelled a lot | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
and I have an impression of a former passion for horses, too. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Penny lived and cared for Roderick's father, Denzel, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
for the last four years of her life. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
The pair had originally struck up a friendship, through a mutual love | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
of chess and despite being 30 years his junior, they became inseparable. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
She looked after my father and she was very useful | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
in helping putting my father's affairs in order. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Even though Penny spent the final years of her life living with Denzel, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
she still came to her flat every day | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
to care for her beloved parrot, George. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
The parrot came from her time in the East, in Malaysia or Singapore | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
and he came back with her to England. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
It was a feature, and you see it in photographs going back a few years. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
She used to put him on a stick | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
and carry him around on a stick, about so long. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
She would walk him down to the park, and she would come back | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
and sit in the foyer and let George roam around the foyer. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
It was fabulous to watch. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Penny's estate was advertised by the Treasury in 2010 | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
and heir hunting company, Fraser & Fraser picked up the case. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
The job of tracking down her heirs fell to senior case manager, Tony Pledger. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
Because they were of a good address, erm, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
obviously we started to research into it. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Tony has over 45 years experience in genealogy | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
and he quickly realised this was a high-value estate. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
The team had established that Penny owned her Kensington flat, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
which was worth an astonishing £600,000. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
With such a valuable property, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Tony suspected they'd be more to come. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
It's reasonable to assume if you've got a good quality leasehold property, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
you've got a good quality bank account to go with it. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Tony and his team had to start with the basics because the Treasury | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
had only given them limited information about Penny. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
All we had was a name, the date of death | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
and the place of registration of the death. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
Step one was to get Penny's birth certificate | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and Tony used this to find her parents. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
They were Isabella Dyson and Arthur Moore. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
They had married in 1936 and, frustratingly, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
initial research suggested Penny was an only child. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
But Tony felt there were reasons to be positive. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
She was actually called Penelope Brabazon Harewood Moore. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Her parents, her mother was Isabella Sheila Brabazon Colvec Dyson, | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
before she married Arthur Geoffrey Harewood Moore. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
So, you know, I always think the more Christian names you've got, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
the more money your family had. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
But there was still the question of whether Penny had ever married, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
or had any children of her own. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
This is something Roderick's father, Denzel was able to help out with. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
He knew that Penny had been married | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and was able to pass on the name of her ex-husband. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
They advised us that they got married in the Bahamas, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
which is clearly not an area of our normal research, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
looking for the original marriage. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Tony now knew that Penny married Anthony Belchambers in 1980. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
They divorced 13 years later and the couple never had children. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
This meant that Tony and his team would have to go back | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
to Penny's grandparents to try and find heirs. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
So we were readily able to identify, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
from the birth of the mother, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
who her parents were. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
The search was on for aunts and uncles who could lead to cousins. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
Penny's grandparents were Isabella and William Dyson. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
Although Tony couldn't find a record of their marriage, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
the census showed, that along with Penny's mother, Isabella, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
they had had three other children. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
One of these children was Penny's aunt, Roberta. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
She married three times, once before the Second World War, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
once after the war and then she married again. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Roberta's second husband was a famed Polish fighter pilot | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
called Witold Lanowski. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Fellow pilot, Frank Kornicki, flew numerous missions with him | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
as part of 317 Squadron. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
We worked primarily from Cornwall airfield | 0:19:00 | 0:19:07 | |
and then from north-east of London. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
So, we flew together on all those missions, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
during that particular period. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Penny's Uncle Witold was born in 1950 in the Polish city of Lvov. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
He was captivated by flight from a young age and after training | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
as a pilot, he became an instructor at a military aviation school. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
But when war broke out, he was called into action. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
He travelled from Poland to France and then on to Britain | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
where he learned to fly English planes. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
He then became part of a special Polish contingent who flew alongside the RAF. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
He was an excellent pilot. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
You have to know how to fly. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
You have to know your aircraft. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
What you can get in terms of speed, diving, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
turning, aerobatics. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Above all, you must look. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
You really must look if you want to survive. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Witold went on to fly Thunderbolts for the United States Air Force | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
and in 1944, he shot down four enemy planes in a series of deadly combats. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:31 | |
Despite this success, he was seen by some as a hot-headed | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
and rebellious figure who had a tendency to question those in authority. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
He was a man of integrity | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
and he had to say what he believed in. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
Out of the cockpit, Witold was a very popular figure. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
He was a very jolly chap. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
Full of beans... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
And jokes, good-looking. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Certainly popular with the ladies. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
I rather liked him, he was a nice fellow, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
one of the boys. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
It was this fun-loving side of his character that attracted Roberta to Witold. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
They married in 1946 and had a son, Alex Grenfell. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
My mother would have met my father, who was Polish, Witold Lanowski. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
They met during the war and they got married just after the war, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
I think it was in 1946. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
I would of been five or six when my parents divorced, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
that's my mother divorced Witold Lanowski. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
Erm, so that would have been about 1953, something like that. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
My mother then remarried late in 1953 and I didn't | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
see my...as I call him, my real father, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Witold, for about 40 years after that. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Basically, I was brought up by my mother and my stepfather in subsequent years. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
But as Roberta's son, Alex was Penny Belchamber's cousin | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
and an heir to her £600,000 estate. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
We were able to contact Mr Grenfell, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
or the family of Mr Grenfell the same day that the matter came out. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
You know, for sufficient time to arrange an appointment | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
and for one of our researchers to visit them in the West Country. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
When you get a call like this, and particularly in today's world | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
when we are all plagued a little bit by sales calls and whatever on the phone, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
the feeling initially was these are just more sales calls | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
trying to sell us something. Please go away and leave us alone | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
and we'll get on with our lives. In reality, it wasn't that. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Yeah, it's quite interesting... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Alex was the first heir found | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
and with a little encouragement from his wife, Carol, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
he was appointed administrator of his cousin's estate, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
a cousin he hadn't seen for over 40 years. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Alex has no idea why Penny lost contact with his family, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
but he's hoping he may find some answers today. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
As the administrator of the estate, one of his roles is to visit | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Penny's flat and sort through some of her belongings. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
Penny died in October last year, so that's about eight months ago. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
As far as we know, people haven't been back in the apartment since then. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Yeah, it's going to be and interesting day | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
and full of surprises, perhaps. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Coming up, Alex begins the slow process | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
of piecing together the last 40 years of Penny's life. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
It all went very different, didn't it, after...after that. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
ensuring millions of pounds are paid out to the rightful heirs. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Not every case can be cracked. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
In the UK, the Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
that have baffled the hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
Could you be the heir they've been looking for? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
Estates can stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
and each one could be worth anything from 5,000 | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
to many millions of pounds. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
It's money that could be destined for you. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Today we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
Are they relatives of yours. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Preciosa da Assuncao, died aged 84 back in 2002. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:40 | |
She was based in Colchester, Essex | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
and her distinctive surname may jog someone's memory. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
If no heirs are found, her money will go to the government. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
Did you know Dennis Dickens? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
He died in October 2007 in Coventry in the West Midlands. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
So far all efforts to trace his heirs have failed. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
What about Zofia Zuk? | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Her surname is of Russian origin and she died in 2002, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
aged 87, in Newton Abbot in Devon. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
If the names Preciosa da Assuncao, Dennis Dickens or Zofia Zuk | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
mean anything to you, then you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Still to come... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
The hunt continues for heirs to David Roberts' £2 billion estate. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
I've still got some missing people. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
You've checked thoroughly, haven't you? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
In 2010, heir hunter, Tony Pledger, looked into the £600,000 estate | 0:25:46 | 0:25:53 | |
of Penny Belchambers. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
She had died in Kensington without leaving a will | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
and the search for her heirs | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
had already uncovered the remarkable story | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
of her uncle, Witold Lanowski, a famed Polish fighter pilot. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
Witold was married to Penny's Aunt Roberta Anderson | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and their son, Alex, is one of the heirs. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
He's also the administrator of Penny's estate | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and today he's come to see her flat | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
with chartered surveyor, Andrew Fraser, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
a partner at heir hunting firm, Fraser & Fraser. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
They'll be trying to assess the value of the flat, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
as well as looking for important financial documents. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Alex is understandably apprehensive about the visit. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
It's actually quite difficult to explain exactly how I feel. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
A degree of trepidation, degree of uncertainty. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
We're not really sure what we're going to find. I just feel nervous | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
and slightly hesitant about what's going to be in the apartment. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
Alex was the first heir Tony contacted, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
but there were still many more to find. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Enter Alex's wife, Carol, a keen genealogist | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
who had already researched the family. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
Alex's grandfather William Lionel Dyson was born in Batley | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
and, I believe at one stage, he was a divinity student | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
and met his wife, Isabella. They were married in India. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
This explained why Tony hadn't been able to find Penny's grandparents marriage certificate. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
India wouldn't have been one of the first places | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
that we would have searched for the marriage, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
but from information that she gave us | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
we were able to get a copy of the marriage record | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
and that tidied things up quite nicely. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
As he continued the hunt for further heirs, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Tony turned his attention to Alex and Penny's uncles, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Trevor and Lionel. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
Any children they'd had would also be heirs to Penny's £600,000 estate. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
Initially, our initial research showed that there was an uncle... | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
Well there was a cousin of the deceased called Lionel. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
Alex only ever talked about an Uncle Trevor, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
he never talked about an Uncle Lionel, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
except when I mentioned Lionel Walter. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
In fact, he did remember very briefly an Uncle Walter. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
He was a bit of the missing link | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
when were trying to put together the family tree. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
The confusion came from the fact that Uncle Lionel | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
was always known to Alex as Uncle Walter. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
Once that was cleared up, Tony found a further three heirs. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
That just left him with Uncle Trevor to find. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Carol was able to identify | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
William Trevor Dyson's birth record. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
Alex's memories of Uncle William Trevor Dyson | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
were that he was quite a character. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
I remember my parents talking about Uncle Trevor, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
and his interests. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
He was supposedly a medium, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
if you believe in spiritualist-type things, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
and he is supposed to have had a message one day, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
he needs to pack that everything he's got in this country. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
I think he had the garage at that time up in Norfolk, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
and he decided to leave the country, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
and go to Swaziland. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Why Swaziland? I have no idea. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
And there started a company, a general store. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
Ultimately, he became the Deputy High Sheriff of Swaziland, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
for his sins. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:35 | |
So, quite an interesting character. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
Uncle Trevor had died in 1991, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
and Tony began researching his branch of the family. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
If Trevor was still alive, or had any children, they would be heirs. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
But then Tony made a surprising discovery. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
He was adopted out of the family. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
If he did have any descendants - and we don't think he did - | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
they would not unfortunately be entitled in this case, anyway. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
This discovery meant Penny's £600,000 estate | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
would go to the heirs Tony had already found. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
It could well be some life-changing amounts of money. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
The majority of that money | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
will come from the sale of Penny's valuable Kensington flat. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
Heir Alex has travelled to London to visit the property, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
and sort through Penny's belongings. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
It is the first time anyone has been inside | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
since the case was handed to the Treasury. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Here we are. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
This is interesting. We didn't know what to expect. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
A lot of paintings on the wall. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
In need of a bit of decoration, but I guess that would be expected. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
Here's a little kitchen, or kitchenette. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
I don't know what you'd call it. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
Alex lost contact with Penny 40 years ago. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
But now, he and chartered surveyor Andrew Fraser | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
have the task of delving through her affairs. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
I guess this was her bedroom. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
Clothes everywhere. Shoes everywhere. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Just as it was left, eight months ago, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
or something like that. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
I imagined something a bit more, perhaps, dusty. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
But it is only eight months. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
It feels as though somebody has just gone to work today. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
And left some of their clothes around. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
Perhaps somebody a bit untidy, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
and would come back later in the day. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
So, really quite strange, in a way. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
I expected it to be more of a mess and a muddle. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Dare I say it, cobwebs and things like that. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
I see a lot of papers around, and by going through them, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
we will pick up the whole of her financial history. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
-It will be very helpful for the solicitors involved. -Right. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
Whilst Andrew searches for important financial documents, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
Alex is reviving the memory of his long-lost cousin. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
That's Penny, I'm sure it is. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
She is looking quite glamorous. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
Well-dressed, long blonde hair, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
swept back. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
I can remember her even when she was | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
18 or 20, that sort of age, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
having the long blonde hair. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Very similar, but just a bit older. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
Penny's marriage ended in 1993. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
This was followed by a bitter legal battle over her parents' will. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
Although they had left a substantial estate, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Penny ended up with just £1,000, and her mother's jewellery. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
It seems this experience affected her deeply. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
She turned heavily to religion. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
As he looks through her belongings, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
Alex is starting to see how important | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Penny's Christian faith became. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
She seemed to have been living a good life, and enjoying life. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
It all went very different, didn't it, after that. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
It is very clear from what we have seen and heard, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
that she became very religious in her later life. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
This is a book that she wrote, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
or some poems or verse that she wrote | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
and had published about 10 years ago. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
There's quite a lot here. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
I think most of these boxes are full up | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
with these inspired Christian verse books. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
I will keep one or two of those, but maybe not the whole lot. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Penny began to live her daily life through the Bible, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
and she wrote about the many things in society | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
she believed to be wicked and evil. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
She retreated away from the outside world, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and devoted a great deal of time to fighting a variety of legal battles. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
But this was a far cry from the glamorous, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
well-travelled lady Alex remembered. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
I think it is very clear that everything was here. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
She kept everything here. That was her life. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
She couldn't travel and do things she did in the past. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Big change for her. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Penny's £600,000 estate will now pass to her long-lost family. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
Although it seems her latter years were tinged with sadness, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
Alex has learned that when Penny was younger, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
she lived life to the full. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
I think it has opened up my eyes. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Just seeing some of the photos from cruises, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
and from trips all over the world, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
I feel I know more of her life in the intervening years, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
so I feel I know the person better. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Armed with new information from the 1911 census, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
Peter Birchwood of Celtic Research | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
has reopened the tantalising £2 million case of David Roberts. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
David died in 2005 in London, aged 75. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
By all accounts, he was an elusive and enigmatic figure. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
The exciting new information that Peter has learned | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
has brought him to the Llandudno register office in North Wales. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
So it should hopefully be that sub-district. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
There is a possibility that David's grandfather, Hugh Roberts, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
may have had two more children with his second wife, Margaret. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
But first, Peter needs to confirm he is looking at the right | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Margaret and Hugh. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
Right, Margaret Roberts. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
-Mm. -77 years. Widow of Hugh Roberts. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
Do you have an address for them at all? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
-Uh, I did... -Is it in Dolwyddelan? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
That's the address, yes. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
That's that then, isn't it? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Fantastic. Peter knows he's got the right couple. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
He must now look to their children | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
to see if that leads to heirs to a £2 million fortune. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
David's vast wealth was something his friends knew little about. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
David was a private person. He kept himself to himself. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
He had a few friends in the club | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
who he socialised with, played cards and shove ha'penny, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
but otherwise he never spoke about his private life | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
or even very much about what he did for a living. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
But David had actually had a very prestigious job. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
He worked as an insurance broker | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
at the world-renowned Lloyds Of London, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
where it's likely he had a high salary but high-pressure job. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
In the late '80s, recession and large US legal claims | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
hit the company hard and it was probably a stressful time | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
for the people who worked there. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
But could this explain why David Roberts | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
seemed to suddenly turn his back on his career | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
or why he chose to live as a virtual recluse later in life? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
He didn't have family. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
I never saw family going to visit him | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
so I did assume that he just lived on his own | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
and didn't really know very many people. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
I used to wonder how he supported himself. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
But it's not just David whose life is shrouded in mystery - | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
his family are proving equally hard to fathom, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
and in Wales, Peter's still waiting for that crucial nugget of information | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
that could lead him to an heir. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
As you can see, it says, "Marriage, 12 years. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
"Two children of this marriage. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
"One still living." | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
That'd make her 43, wouldn't it? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
It is a bit on the elderly side for having any children, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
so whether Margaret had had some children with Hugh | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
before they got married...? | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Hugh Roberts' first wife died in 1891. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
He married Margaret eight years later in 1899 | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
and the 1901 census doesn't show any new children in the household, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
but Peter is hoping they went on to have children a few years later. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
There might be a birth 1901 up to, let us say, 1905. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:47 | |
This is a bit of a long shot. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Peter's hoping that Margaret went on to have children | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
when she was in her mid-to-late 40s. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
Hugh Roberts, Margaret Anne. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
Bingo. They've found two potential births in the right period. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
But they still can't be sure that these are the right children - | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
it's possible they could be the children of another couple | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
called Hugh and Margaret Roberts from the Dolwyddelan area. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
With £2 million at stake, they need to be absolutely certain, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
so Peter wants to cross-reference the births | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
with Margaret's maiden name, Jones. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Would it be possible to check to see if there is a marriage? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
That should give us Margaret's maiden name, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
would identify, or not, the two births that the registrar has found. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
But it's not the result Peter was hoping for. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
The maiden names on the records do not match. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
So if this is right, then the births we found are incorrect, aren't they? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
Because they are the children of a Jones, not an Evans. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
This is a real blow for Peter. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
He'd hoped the two children who appear on the 1911 census | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
for the offspring of Hugh and Margaret Roberts. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
But it now seems they must have been children | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
from one of Margaret's previous relationships. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
This means they are not blood relatives of Hugh Roberts | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
or his grandson, David. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
I'm back to our mystery two members of the family | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
who just seemed to vanish and don't do anything. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
So... | 0:40:41 | 0:40:42 | |
No easy answers on this one. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
-Bye, now. -Bye. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
But Peter thinks he has a theory | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
as to why the two children on the census | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
were listed as being the children of Hugh and Margaret. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
What probably happened was there was a misunderstanding | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
when the form was written out back in 1911, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
that perhaps she thought it meant that she was to put down | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
any children that she herself had had in previous marriages. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
That wasn't the case, but it's an easy mistake to make | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
and I think that's what happened. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:18 | |
But as long as there's a £2 million estate up for grabs, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Peter will never give up. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
There is one last tantalising piece of evidence that can't be ignored. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
David's aunt Elizabeth died in 1957 | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
and research has shown that David and another blood relative | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
were beneficiaries in her will. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
This other relative must have been a descendant | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
of either the missing uncle, Isaac, or the missing aunt, Catherine, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
and if THEY had children, there's still a chance | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
that this case could be solved. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
If we can solve this one - and I'm sure there's a solution somewhere, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:59 | |
because I know there was at least one other member of the family | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
still living in the 1950s, apart from the deceased - | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
if we can find these people, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
this is something that is guaranteed to change their lives. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
It's a massive amount of money | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
and we would really look forward to reuniting it with the right people. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
Did you know David Roberts? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Could you have information about his family | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
or are you a descendant of his aunt, Catherine Jane Roberts, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
or his uncle, Isaac Roberts? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
If you are, you could be the rightful heir | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
to a £2 million fortune. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
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