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In London, the heir hunters have found an unclaimed estate | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
on the Treasury's list | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
that could be worth anything from 5,000 up to many millions of pounds. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
Their job is to find the long-lost relatives | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
who have no idea they could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
On today's programme, mistakes, confusing family trees | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
and common surnames all make the heir hunters' job that much harder. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Sorry, I've got the wrong family and I do apologise. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
So that's all wrong. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
And a case that has taken over 20 years to solve, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
the estate of Elizabeth Mukerji, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
whose extended family had friends in very high places. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
He was the first Indian to be elected to the House of Commons. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
And how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
where beneficiaries need to be found. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:32 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the government... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
They're called heir hunters | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
and they make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
For us, every case is a gamble | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
because we don't know how much each case is worth. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
We don't know how much work we're going to have to do | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
and sometimes, we may not even get the reward. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Sometimes, the reward may be very, very good. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
It's a Thursday morning in London, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
and overnight, the Treasury has advertised a new list of names | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
of people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
-There's definitely no death for her? -No. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
The staff at heir-hunting company Fraser and Fraser are in the office early. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
Partner Neil is trawling through the list of names | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
but it's an unpromising start. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
None of the addresses I've got | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
appear to be for deceaseds who owned their own property. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
This means the team must quickly research | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
each of the 16 new names more thoroughly | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
to discover whether any of them did indeed own a house, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
as more often than not, it is this that will make up the value of an estate. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
-This guy marries in '45. -Where? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
The team's extra research has paid off. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
It's a case Neil thinks could have potential. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Edith Hilda Cator died in 2009 | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
and there is the sale of a house attached to her name. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
House sold in 2002. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
But her address is a nursing home. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
The team are debating if this is where her money may have gone. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
-Yeah. -She's been there for a few years. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
She's been there for three years at £30,000 a year. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
If the deceased spent her final years in a private nursing home, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
whatever wealth she may have accrued through property | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
could now be all gone. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Let's call the whole thing off. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
It may not be the most promising start | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
but Dave gets to work, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
chasing the care home to verify just how long Edith could have been there. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Meanwhile, Neil does the maths. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
A case like this, which is possibly £50,000, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
may gain Fraser and Fraser £5,000 worth of fees, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
which as long as we finish the research today, is all right. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
Huge gamble | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
and we have to be very careful when we take on these gambles. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
But it's a gamble Neil's willing to take. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Edith Hilda Cator died of a stroke in 2009 aged 85 | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
and she left no will. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
She'd lived in Watford, Hertfordshire. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Friend Janet Fowler had known Edith for over 50 years. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
They first met working alongside each other in a factory. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
I do miss her an awful lot, I do. Yeah. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
After the job finished, Janet didn't see Edith for years | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
but then one day bumped into her in town | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
and their friendship was rekindled. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
And then I more or less visited her quite a lot after that. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
Paid bills for her, whatever had to be paid, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
did her shopping, did her washing. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
I mean, when I saw her, her face just lit up, anyway. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
If it was a rainy day, she would give me the money for a taxi home | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
and if it was a sunny day, I'd say, "No, not today, Edie, I'll get the bus home." | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
And she was very considerate like that, really. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
Yeah, she was, yeah. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Yeah, she was. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
The team know that Edith lived and died in Watford | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
and having previous addresses of the deceased is a big help | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
to the heir hunters. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
With this in mind, case manager David Pacifico puts in a call to Ewart, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
one of the company's travelling heir hunters, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
who, fortunately, lives in Watford. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
We've got a case called Cator coming out in a place called Watford. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
Ewart Lindsay is one of the company's squadron of senior researchers, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
who are willing to go wherever a case takes them. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Based all over the UK and abroad, their job is to follow the clues | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
and sniff out potential heirs | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
and inform them of their deceased relative's estate. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
She ended up in a nursing home in Watford. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
We've also got a previous address for her | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
within the Watford area, so I'm heading to that address | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
to see what I can actually find out about her. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Back in the office, the team start to try and build a family tree for Edith. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
They've discovered that she married twice | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
but the initial research into census and birth records | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
isn't what Neil wanted to hear. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
It doesn't look like she had any brothers or sisters. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
It doesn't look like she had any children from either of the two marriages, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
so we're not looking at near kin. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
We're certainly looking at cousins, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
which makes my gamble even more risky. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Certainly the research to cover near kin is much, much cheaper | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
and doesn't cost us anywhere the money | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
as if we had to go back to cousins. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
This means it's more important than ever for the team to try and wrap this case up in a day. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
Any longer, and the company's profit goes out the window. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
The team now knows Edith's parents were Kate Johnson and Arthur Goodyer | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
and that she was their only child. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
Plus that Edith married twice and had no children from either marriage. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
Edith's mother's surname is a nightmare to research, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
as Johnson is a common name. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
With this in mind, Neil decides to concentrate on the paternal line | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
of Edith's father, Arthur Goodyer. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Bye. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
I've got the 1911 census in Watford. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Two brothers still alive, one of them looks like he dies in the war. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
The second served in the war because I found an army record. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
He has one child and that child has two children, who would be first cousins once removed. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
The first heirs are on their radar and it's only 8.30 in the morning. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
Out on the road, Ewart's enquiries at Edith's previous address | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
aren't going so smoothly. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
The only person I spoke to was the actual person who bought the property off the deceased. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
Couldn't give us any information about the family | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
or if she had children, really. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
So I'm now at the nursing home, this is her last address... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
to see what information they can give me. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
The company has travelling heir hunters so they can try and stay one step ahead of any competition. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
Ewart is ready at the drop of a hat | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
to drive anywhere the office asks him | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
and that may be just about to happen. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Thanks so much. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
I've just spoken to a lady whose relationship to the deceased | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
is a paternal cousin once removed. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
Her father, who was an only child, was a first cousin to the deceased. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
Understandably, she's never heard of the deceased. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
But literally ten minutes before I phoned her, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
another company has been in contact with her. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
The good news of finding their first heir is tainted by the fact | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
they've been beaten to it by the competition. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
Ewart's also got bad news. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
The nursing home is not able to help with his enquiries. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
He's back to square one. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
And again, I couldn't really get to speak to anybody. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
But from the office, there is a glimmer of hope from the Johnson side of the family, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
that the team has tentatively started to work. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
I've got a new stem that's literally just up to date now in Slough | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
and I can't get hold of one person and I'm going to phone the sister. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
-So make your way to Slough. -Right. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
Dave now hopes to contact these new relatives before the competition | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
and hopefully get Ewart on their doorstep ASAP. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Despite being up against other companies, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
the team has made leaps and bounds on the hunt. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Even the maternal family's name of Johnson | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
hasn't fazed research director Gareth. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Cator's up to date on the maternal and the paternal sides... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
and considering one side is Johnson. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
This is an amazing result so early in the day. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
The team has found numerous potential heirs to Edith's estate. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
They are all cousins once removed | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
and case manager Dave now starts to call them | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
in order to verify the family tree | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
and try and set up the all-important meetings with Ewart. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Your grandmother was her aunt. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Beatrice. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
Your grandmother was Kate? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
All right, let me go back over this, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
just in case we might have the wrong family. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Worryingly, Dave's family tree isn't marrying up. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
You think your grandfather was William. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
OK. I think we have got the wrong family. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
I'm really sorry to have troubled you. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Sorry about that. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
We've run with the wrong birthday. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
This is the last thing the team wanted | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
on a case they've already taken a gamble on. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
So that's all wrong. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Johnson isn't an easy name to work, as this costly mistake has shown. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
The team started off their hunt with the wrong birth certificate for Edith's mother. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
So we've got the wrong family of Johnson. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
So all the bits we've worked are her cousins, so they're all wrong. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
So what we've done is identified the wrong birth of Kate. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Even though it's still only 9.20 in the morning, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
this is bad news for Neil. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
Whilst they've been wasting time on the wrong family, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
other heir-hunting firms may have found the right Johnsons | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
and be visiting them right now. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Look through that. If we can find her, we don't need to do the blood bit. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Neil steps in to rescue this case | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and using the census records, he finds another potential birth for Edith's mother. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
And there's a Kate. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
Born in 1889. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
But amid all this chaos, there is one member of the team | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
who is blissfully unaware of what's happened. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
I forgot to tell Ewart not to go to Slough. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-Go back to Watford and do what you were doing, please. -OK, Dave. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
-Thanks. -Cheers. Bye. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Something's happened down there. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
Ewart turns around and heads back to Watford. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
Fortunately, in the office, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
the new birth record for Kate Johnson, Edith's mother, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
is bearing fruit. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
Neil, Gareth and Simon trawl the 1901 and 1911 census | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
for evidence of her siblings. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
It looks promising. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Alfred and Emily, yeah? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
And then we've got Ethel, Walter and Arthur, I've got. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
Arthur being the youngest. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
This new lead would suggest Kate Johnson, Edith's mother, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
had five brothers and sisters. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
The team now have to find other records of these siblings | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
in order to trace any children they may have had. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
We've finally got Ellen Johnson, who is the eldest sibling of the deceased's mother, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
that's the eldest aunt of the deceased, on the census. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
So I've got her on the 1901 and married on the 1911, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
so I now know that the marriage is definitely right | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
and she certainly had one child, probably two children. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
And using this fresh information, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
researcher Emily scours the electoral roll. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
The new lead pays off. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Emily thinks she's found an address for Michael Farren, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
a cousin once removed on the Johnson stem. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
I can't find a death for him, so he's probably still alive. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
We hope. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
Emily has also found a phone number they believe matches the address. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
I'm now going to try and contact someone | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
who is definitely related to the deceased on the maternal family. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
But things aren't going Dave's way today. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
Sorry, I've got the wrong family and I do apologise for troubling you. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Thank you for your time. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
The phone number was for a Michael - just not the one Dave wanted. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
The team will now have to pull out all the stops. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
The guys will have to try to get us another phone number. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
The team scramble to try and find another number | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
for the Michael Farren they believe is Edith's relative. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
They have already wasted enough time with the Johnson name. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Edith's estate, with its unknown value, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
is a gamble that will only pay off | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
if the heir hunters are the first to meet and sign her heirs. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
Later in the show, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
the heir hunters may have originally chased the wrong family | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
but this cloud could have a silver lining. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
The competition looks like they made the same mistake we did. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
We're hoping they still think they're on the correct family. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Heir-hunting companies will always try and be the first to contact | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
the beneficiaries to an estate | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
but there are no guarantees a case can be solved in a day | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
or even a week. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
Sometimes, the heir hunters can wait years, even decades, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
until the information they need to solve a case finally comes to light. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
Elizabeth Mukerji was born in 1900 | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
and died aged 91 without leaving a will. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
With no known photographs or people who knew her, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Elizabeth's life is a bit of a mystery. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
Her £25,000 estate had remained on the Treasury's list, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
unsolved and unclaimed, ever since the early 1990s. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
But her name was not forgotten. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Heir hunter Hector Birchwood always holds out hope | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
that old cases can one day be solved. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
Any time a new database comes on line, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
any time we buy a new bit of information | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
which relates to our business, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
then I pick up those old cases and I run them through. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Hector works alongside his father, Peter Birchwood, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
and case managers Saul and Phil | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and together, they make up the team at Celtic Research. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
Like every other heir-hunting company in the UK, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
they leap into action every Thursday morning | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
when the Treasury releases new names of unclaimed estates. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
But Hector never shies away from the challenges involved with an unsolved case. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
This case had been picked up and dropped | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
on a couple of different occasions. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Mainly because there wasn't enough information to find heirs the first time around. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
But with the release of the 1901 census, Hector tried once again | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
to find the descendants of the mysterious Elizabeth Mukerji. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
For an heir hunter, it's a rare occasion to work a name of Asian origin. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
We don't see very many Indian names coming up in the unclaimed estates. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:27 | |
Well, this is the birth of her father. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
And as Hector continued his initial research, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Elizabeth's case was getting more and more out of the ordinary. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
I thought initially this might lead to India | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
and perhaps I should be looking at the Indian records | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
at the British Library. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Hector got down to his research | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
and discovered that Elizabeth had taken her surname | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
from her late husband, Dwijendra Mukerji, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
whom she married in 1938. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
He was born and brought up in the UK, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
after his father came to England in the late 19th century | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
to study law. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
In the 1890s, Elizabeth's father-in-law, Jogmendra, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
was one of just a handful of Indians living in England. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
But the Mukerji name was to go down in both Indian and English history. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
After he'd finished his studies, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Jogmendra went on to work as a personal secretary | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
for Dadabhai Naoroji, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
an Indian who'd achieved something quite remarkable in the UK. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
He was the first Indian to be elected to the House of Commons, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
the British parliament, in 1892. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
This was a truly remarkable feat | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
because Dadabhai Naoroji had been born and brought up in India. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
He was quite a senior political figure in India, as well. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
He was one of the founding fathers of the Indian National Congress, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
which became the main nationalist organisation and political party | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
that fought the British for independence. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
So I'm sure Mukerji as private secretary | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
would have met many of the leading politicians, British and Indian, of the time. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
Including Gandhi, who was visiting England in 1906 | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
to campaign for better rights for Indians in colonial South Africa. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
Jogmendra's meetings with Gandhi led to a working relationship | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
bound by a fierce belief in Indian independence. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
Gandhi and Mukerji seemed to have | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
quite an extensive correspondence in 1906 | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
when Gandhi came over to London | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
and one can infer that Mukerji definitely played a significant part | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
in India's freedom fight. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
But despite his political views about the British in India, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
it didn't stop Elizabeth's father-in-law Jogmendra | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
falling in love and marrying an Englishwoman called Helen. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
There's also the possibility | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
they were one of the first Anglo-Indian marriages in the UK. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
So there would have been surprise from both sides, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
from his own family back in India and from her family in England. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Whatever their families' concerns, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
the couple went on to have Dwijendra, who later went on to marry Elizabeth. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
Immersed in his initial research, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
Hector had originally thought the trail could lead to India | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
but that was all about to change. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Turned out to be a red herring because she had divorced him. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
They had no children. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
Hector started looking more closely at Elizabeth's side of the family | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
and it turned out she was actually of Irish origin. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
Back in 1938, her marriage to a mixed-race husband | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
would have been just as out of the ordinary as her in-laws' 40 years before. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
It was quite an unusual for an Indian man to marry an Englishwoman at that time. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
I'm sure Elizabeth would have faced some kinds of prejudice | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
for having an Indian surname, for being Mrs Mukerji. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
So for Hector, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
what had started out potentially as an international heir hunt | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
was now a lot closer to home. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
His research showed that Elizabeth's ancestry | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
was in Ireland on her mother's side and England on her father's. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
From Elizabeth's birth records, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
he discovered her parents were an Eliza McDermott | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
and Henry Griffith, who had married in 1899. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
Hector began his hunt. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
My first task was to identify | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
what happened to the siblings of the deceased. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
She had two siblings. I think their names were William and May. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
And I then was able to identify that they died | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
without leaving any descendants. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Hector would have to go through Elizabeth's parents | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
and on to aunts and uncles | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
if he was to stand a chance of finding heirs to her £25,000 estate. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
So I then had to turn my attentions to the paternal side. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Through the census, I was able to find out | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
that the father of the deceased came from the Griffith family | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
that was based in London. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
So I then had to find his birth, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
then identify any siblings that he had. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
He had two siblings, a sister and a brother, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
both of which died relatively young and had no issue. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
So I then had to turn my attentions to the maternal side. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Elizabeth's mother was Eliza McDermott, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
a very common Irish name. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
And this is really where the problems began | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
because although the census and the marriage certificate for her parents said | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
that the mother came from Ireland, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
we didn't know where in Ireland she came from, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
so I had to put the case back down again. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Yet again, the estate of Elizabeth Mukerji was proving unsolvable. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
There just wasn't enough information in the 1901 census to find her heirs | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
and the folder went back into the filing cabinet. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
It was to be a further ten years | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
before Hector would get another chance. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Well, I picked up the case again when the 1911 census was released. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
At this point, fellow heir hunter Peter took up the case. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
The information the 1911 census held could finally provide the clues | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
needed to solve the complex case of Elizabeth Mukerji. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Bye for now. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
Later in the show, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
the team finds heirs but the Treasury thinks different. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
The reply, to me, was surprising. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
In the UK, the Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
that over the years, have baffled the heir hunters | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
and still remain unclaimed. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
This is money that could have your name on it. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
These estates can stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Could they be relatives of yours? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Eileen Lashmer-Parsons died in Brighton, East Sussex, in 2000. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
Her surname is very distinctive. Do you share it? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
So far, all efforts to trace her heirs have failed. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
Or did you know Joanna Fredericksan? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
She died age 90 in 2000 and lived in Wembley, Middlesex. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
The interesting spelling of her surname could be Scandinavian in origin. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
Or finally, Leonard Batstone. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
He died in 2004 in Littlehampton, West Sussex. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Again, his surname is rare and easily recognisable. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
If the names Eileen Lashmer-Parsons, Joanna Fredericksan | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
or Leonard Batstone mean anything to you, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
then there could be a windfall on its way. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
Heir-hunting company Fraser and Fraser have taken a gamble | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
on the case of Edith Cator. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
She died in 2009 aged 85, without ever making a will. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
Her estate ended up on the Treasury's list | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
but the problem is the company have no idea what her case could be worth. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
If there's no money in it, we're dropping it. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Sinking time and resources into tracing her heirs | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
has already failed twice. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Sorry, I've got the wrong family and I do apologise for troubling you. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
So that's all wrong. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
The team believed Edith had married twice | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
but according to her friend Janet, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
it turns out there was one more to add to the list. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
I think she was really lonely and she wanted a partner. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
She definitely wanted a partner. She didn't want to live alone. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
Edith was in her seventies and wanted company. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
As an active member of her local senior citizens' social club, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
she befriended a gentleman called Bert. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
He must have been over 80 and she was in her seventies. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
So they were very late in life getting married, so... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
It was a small ceremony | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
and Janet happily helped out with the proceedings. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
I took her down the aisle to meet Bert. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
And then, obviously, Bert wheeled her out of the church. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
She did look nice and she knew she'd got someone to be with | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
and she wasn't lonely any more. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
The couple enjoyed their life together in the nursing home | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
but unfortunately, Bert passed away less than one year after the marriage, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
leaving Edith alone for the final years of her life, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
a life that made a big impression on friend Janet. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
I do miss her terribly. I do miss her a lot. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
Even talking about her now doesn't help. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
Despite the team initially chasing the wrong heirs, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
it seems they weren't the only ones to have made a mistake | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
on the Johnson side of the family, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
something that could now be to their advantage. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
The competition looks like they made the same mistake we did. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
What we're hoping is they still think they're on the correct family. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
If nobody's told them they're on the wrong family, they won't know yet. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Gareth is quietly confident and case manager Dave is philosophical | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
about the problems they've had so far with this case. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
That's all right. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
It makes life harder for us, makes life harder for the competition. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
At this stage, the heir hunters know Edith's mother had five siblings. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Of these, they now suspect four of them died | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
without leaving any children. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
This just leaves Edith's aunt Ellen | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
and it's Ellen's grandchild, Michael Farren, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
the team have been trying to track down. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Dave has found the correct phone number for Michael | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
and has left a message | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
but still with no reply, he's switched to plan B. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
At the moment, I've got Ewart hot-footing it over to St Albans | 0:28:38 | 0:28:45 | |
to try and see the only beneficiary entitled on the maternal family. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
This is a gamble Dave hopes will pay off. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
With competition all over this case, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
everything now rests of Ewart making face to face contact with Michael | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
before anyone else. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
But arriving at the address, Ewart discovers his heir no longer lives there. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
The heir had parted from his wife 12 years ago so... | 0:29:08 | 0:29:16 | |
But she kindly has given me a mobile number for him. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
I've rung it, spoken to his partner | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
and I've arranged to see him. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
This is great news | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
but only if Ewart is the first heir hunter to get there. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
There are no guarantees that another company isn't, at this moment, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
standing on the heir's doorstep, paperwork in hand. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
It's a tense drive for Ewart but he finally makes it to the right address | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
for Michael Farren, a cousin once removed of Edith's. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
And much to his relief, he's the first heir hunter to visit Michael. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
Ewart's first job is to clarify they're dealing with the right family. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
Your father, did he have any brothers and sisters? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
I can't remember him having any brothers. I think it was just him. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
-Just him. Right, OK. -Yeah. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
With the research and briefing done, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Ewart wants to deal with the business at hand. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
-OK, that's the agreement. -Okey-dokey. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
Read it first, any queries, let me know. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
And much to Ewart's relief, Michael is happy to sign on the dotted line. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
This means he agrees to the company helping him with his claim to the Treasury, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
in exchange for a fixed percentage of whatever Edith's estate is worth. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
The fact he never knew about Edith comes as no surprise to Michael. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
I didn't get on with my old man very well. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
We was always at loggerheads. He lived in the Victorian age | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
and he had his opinion of life and I had my opinion of my life, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
so we clashed. We didn't get on. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Like I said when you was asking me, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
I can't remember who was who and who wasn't. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
With the paperwork complete, Ewart bids farewell... | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
-All right. -Take care. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
..and quickly contacts Dave to let him know the good news. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
-Yeah, you got an agreement? -Yeah. -Well done. -All right. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
It's a fantastic result for the team. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
After all of the morning's ups and downs, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
chasing the wrong heirs and facing competition, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
they can breathe a sign of relief. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
Well done. Thanks very much for that. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Safe journey. Bye now. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
But it's not all good news. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
It seems the time spent sorting out the whole Johnson debacle | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
has cost the team dear. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
With respect to the paternal family, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
credit to the competition, they reached the heir before we did. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
Despite losing heirs, partner Neil is positive about the outcome | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
and happy they signed the maternal heir, Michael, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
who will inherit half of Edith's estate. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
In the end, it's a bit of a shame. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
It's how it happens every now and then. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Some days you win, some days you lose. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
We've lost this stem but luckily, we represent heirs on other stems, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
so we'll still make our money back, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
although we won't make much profit. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
Hector Birchwood of Celtic Research has been trying for nearly 20 years | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
to solve the case of the mysterious Elizabeth Mukerji. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
She died in 1991 aged 91 and left no will for her £25,000 estate. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:32 | |
Despite her Indian surname, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
Hector discovered she was actually of Irish and English origin, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
having taken the surname from her late husband. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
So I had eliminated any close siblings | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and any cousin relatives that would be coming from the paternal side. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
So I then had to turn my attentions to the maternal side. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Using the 1901 census, Hector had discovered | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
that Elizabeth's mother's family were Irish, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
with the surname McDermott. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:03 | |
It's an extremely common name to try and trace in Ireland, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
so Hector passed the case on to his father, Peter, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
an expert in Irish genealogy. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
But even Peter had his work cut out. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
We're talking about a period in the early 1870s | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
which is only just after the start of Irish civil registration, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
so at this time, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
not 100% of births in Ireland are recorded. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
Elizabeth's case has dragged on unsolved for over 20 years, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
mainly because the heir hunters had no clue | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
as to where her mother Eliza was born in Ireland... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
..making the job of tracing the wider family impossible. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
But the release of the 1911 census changed everything. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
We found from the census entries | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
that Eliza was born in County Longford in Ireland | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
and from her marriage to Henry William Griffith | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
that her father was a Patrick McDermott, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
who was a baker. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
Elizabeth's grandparents had seven children, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
including her mother, Eliza, all born in County Longford, Ireland. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
From having that information, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
it was just a case of working down the children | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
to find people who were still living today. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
Peter discovered all of Elizabeth's aunts and uncles had died | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
leaving no children, except one brother called Joseph McDermott. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
He had seven sons and this led Peter to his first heir. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
Ann Foley is a cousin once removed of Elizabeth's... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
and still lives in the family's ancestral home of County Longford. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
When Peter first contacted her, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
she had no idea who her Great Aunt Elizabeth was. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Never heard of Elizabeth at all | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
until Peter mentioned who she was and what her name was. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
It was a shock, a total surprise, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
that somebody was trying to track down an ancestor | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
from so far back, from 1900. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Sadly, as no photos survive of Elizabeth, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Ann will never know what her great aunt looked like. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Peter's research married up to Ann's memories of her uncles | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
and helped him finally confirm who Elizabeth's living relatives were. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
In the McDermott side, my dad was the seventh son. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
Five of them went to England. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
'My and my uncle Frank were the only two that stayed.' | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
Elizabeth's relatives were spread from Ireland to England | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
and Peter had found six heirs to Elizabeth's £25,000 estate. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
The company had waited 20 years for this day. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
After signing the heirs and submitting their claim to the Treasury, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Peter was in for a nasty shock. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
The Treasury rejected the claim. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
The reply, to me, was surprising | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
because they couldn't read one of the names | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
on an Irish birth certificate that I sent them. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Hector knew the team now had their work cut out with the treasury. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
Normally if we find that there is one mistake somewhere, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
we have to provide overwhelming evidence | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
to be able to prove or refute any incorrect evidence | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
that is on any given record, so it makes our job that much harder. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
But Peter has taken this blow on the chin | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
and has changed tack. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
My plan right now is to go over to Longford Town | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
to get our clients proved and recover for them their share of this estate. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:03 | |
True to his word, one week later, Peter has packed his bags | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
and is heading to County Longford in Ireland. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Peter and Hector have worked too hard on this case | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
to see it fall at the final hurdle. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Everything now hangs on Peter being able to clear up the issues the Treasury has | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
with Elizabeth's mother's birth certificate. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
We're just about to head into the cathedral | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
to see if we can find some baptisms that might help resolve this case. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
Peter and his wife Maria are visiting a cathedral | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
where they believe the mother of the deceased was baptised. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
It's a nice cathedral. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
Any additional evidence he can find | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
will only add to his case with the Treasury. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
-Morning. How are you doing? -Morning. Father Healey? Peter Birchwood. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
But Father Healey that Peter has come to visit | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
has some bad news concerning the cathedral's records. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
As you know, we had a very tragic fire in the cathedral last Christmastime, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
so we lost our original records. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
We have a printout that was put together some years ago, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
-so we'll have a look, anyway. -What a terrible thing, the fire. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
So what first name are we talking about? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
We're looking for an Eliza McDermott, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
who would be born some time in the 1870s. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Right. These are all McDermotts here. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
Perhaps because of the loss of the original records in the fire, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
they can find no record of Eliza McDermott's baptism. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Peter tries a different approach. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Mm. Are there any alternate spellings of McDermott, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:48 | |
apart from with one t and two ts? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
But again, no joy. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Out of desperation more than anything, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
Peter decides to show Father Healey the fudged birth certificate in question. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
Maybe he can decipher the maiden name of Eliza's mother. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
The mother's maiden name, maybe you'd have a better guess than I could | 0:39:04 | 0:39:10 | |
because I can't read it. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
But even Father Healey can't decipher the handwriting in question. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
Anyway, I guess we'd better just head off into the sunset. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
I wish you well. Sorry we weren't able to solve the issue. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
So, bye for now. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
-Thank you for your help. -You're welcome. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Peter is back to square one again. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Elizabeth Mukerji's grandmother's maiden name | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
is the key to cracking this case. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Plan B is County Longford's register office. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
-How are you doing? -Hello, there. Peter Birchwood, my wife, Maria. -Nice to meet you. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
We've got this birth certificate | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
and nobody can quite make it out what the lady's maiden name is. | 0:39:53 | 0:40:01 | |
Would you say it's Kirwin? | 0:40:01 | 0:40:02 | |
At first glance, I would think Kirwin | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
but we can check the actual original record for you. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
Were there any other siblings? | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
-There were five or six of them, yes. -OK. That will make it easier. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
If we can't see it on this record, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
if I get the book and there are siblings, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
it may be clearer on another record. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
Peter knows definitively from his research into the census records | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
that Eliza had six siblings | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
and he's asked the registrar to look for the original birth record | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
for Eliza's younger brother, James. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Hopefully, it will have the mother's maiden name spelt clearly | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
and he'll have the proof he needs. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
It's a tense wait for Peter. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
-No, it's definitely not in that one. -Oh, no. What a shame. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
I'll check the next one. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
Early, I reckon. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
No, no. I'll check the next book, just to be on the safe side. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
I'll check the next book. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
The registrar scans the lists of births for brother James. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Peter thinks he was born in 1879. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
James' birth record could be the key Peter needs | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
to unlock a case that has remained unsolved for 20 years. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
Folks, I have it. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
-I have it for you. -Really? -Really? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
-Oh, wow! -Wow! -Well done. -I have it, look. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
-Yes? -James is in this book | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
and Jane McDermott, formerly Kelly. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
There it is in black and white, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
definitive proof Peter's always had the right family. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
Not only do the books show Eliza's brother James had a mother with the maiden name Kelly, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
there are also marriage records backing everything up. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Peter gets the registrar to print it all out. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
-Your evidence is there. -I think it is. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
You have all of your evidence there to prove, really, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
that she was Jane Kelly. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
She was Jane Kelly. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
And she was never anything other than Jane Kelly, it seems to me. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
-Thank you very much for all of your work. -No problem. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
-I'm sorry to keep you in over time. -Don't worry. -Well... | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
After years of waiting, the case of Elizabeth Mukerji | 0:42:12 | 0:42:18 | |
can finally be put to bed. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
Now armed with copies of the original records | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
to add to his case file for the Treasury, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Peter's one happy heir hunter. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
So this case is solved. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
I'm happy about the direction it's taken. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
We just need to get the paperwork in chain | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
and we'll be able to make a good claim for the assets | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
for the people we represent. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
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