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Today, the Heir Hunters are looking into an estate | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
worth a possible £200,000. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Did you know the gentleman that lived there? | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Somewhere out there are some long-lost relatives | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
On today's show, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
it's a confusing start with a case of double identity. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Strangely, there are two Ernest G Wrights, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
both living on Canvey Island. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
And the team uncover the emotional story of the Cold War submariner | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
and the desperate efforts to find him. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
We both ended up in floods of tears. It was quite incredible. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
then any money that's left behind goes to the Government. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
Last year, they made £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters come in. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
The whole thing is a jigsaw with great rewards. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
It's 7am at the offices of heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
and the work's already started. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
The Treasury's list of people who have died without a will | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
has just been released and the team are checking through it. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
We've got a nice short list today, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
so there are probably about four cases we will have a look at. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Hopefully, from there, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
we'll work out which ones have some value and concentrate on those first. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
If someone dies without leaving a will with no known next of kin | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
and their estate is worth £5,000 or more, it will appear on this list. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
Partner Charles likes the look of one particular case in Essex. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
We're looking at the case of Ernest George Wright this morning. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
He died in October 2010. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Obviously, we need to work out | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
whether there is any value of the estate, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
otherwise we spend time looking for family, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
only to find there is no money at the end of the day | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
and so we don't even cover our costs. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
The company earn their money by taking a percentage | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
of the estate's final value. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
The team need to establish quickly where the deceased lived. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
If he owned his property, they know the estate will be worth money. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Ernest George Wright died on October 2nd 2010 in Essex. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
He was 85 years old. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
He lived in the small, seaside community of Canvey Island. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
It was here he became friends with neighbour Cathy Thompson. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
But she admits he wasn't the easiest person to get to know. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
When we first moved down here, he used to come out and cut his grass | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
and never say anything to anybody. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
He wouldn't talk to anybody. The neighbours walked past, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
he wouldn't say hello. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
I made a point of saying good morning to him once. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
He went, "Morning." | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Then carried on what he was doing. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
He had nobody to talk to. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
He didn't have any family come there to see him. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
He preferred his own company. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
He said, "Been like that for a long time, girl." | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
He said, "Too late to change now." | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
I said to him, "Rubbish, Ernie, you need company, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
"you need people to talk to." | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
Nobody should go through life on their own. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
As they became friends, Cathy found out more about his life. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
He used to build cupboards everywhere. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
You go in his house and it would be full of cupboards. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
I would say, "Who built these?" | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
"I did," he said. That's what he used to do. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
He's a carpenter. And worked for the council. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
And do other odd jobs, that's what he told me. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
In the office, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
they've found an address where they believe Ernest last lived. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Now they need on-the-road Heir Hunter Dave Hadley to check it out. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
Morning, Dave, um, Canvey Island, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
fancy a trip down there? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
While most of the research is done by the office team, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
they rely on the front-line investigators like Dave | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
to follow their leads, find the heirs and sign them up before the competition. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
Hi, we're trying to trace the relatives of the guy that used to live at number 21. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
We've got a possible address where he was living | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
prior to his death on Canvey Island in Essex. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
So I'm going to make my way there via the Dartford Tunnel. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
It's a last-known address that the guys in the office have come up with. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
It looks like it's probably going to be either sheltered accommodation, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
or an old people's home. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
It's crucial to discover if Ernest owned his own home. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
If so, this could be a valuable estate. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
It's Dave's job to find out. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
The on-site manager has a record of Ernest Wright living here, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
but Dave needs to dig a bit deeper. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It's a little bit confusing at the moment. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
I've confirmed that Mr Wright did live here with his wife, er, Lesley Wright. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
Um, but they've got no record in the office of him passing away. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:32 | |
They've got a next of kin, which looks like a daughter, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
with a telephone number. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
As far as they were concerned, the place is still occupied. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
So, basically, I'm going to go knock on the door. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
I'm going to knock on the door and see what the situation is. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
If there's somebody living there, see if they're related | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
and see what the score is in relation to this. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Dave's taken to the address by the site managers. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
And there's a fishing lake, is that right? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Is it just coarse fish? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
-Or do they stock it with trout, or things like that? -No. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Just coarse fish. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
It doesn't look empty to me. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Dave's hoping to find some of Ernest Wright's relatives at home. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
Right. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
Can I just confirm your name? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
There's someone at home. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
And, unbelievably, he says his name is Ernest George Wright. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Right. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
Well, you're very much alive, aren't you? | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Um, Ernest George Wright? | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
OK. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
Um, well I'm a bit confused, then. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
It's a bit of a surprise. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
Dave's found Ernest G Wright, all right, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
but, far from being dead, he's answered the door. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Back at the office, case manager David Milchard, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
known as Grimble, admits it was a coincidence. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Strangely, there are two Ernest G Wrights, both living on Canvey Island. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
Um, Canvey Island, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
not that big a place, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
and to get two people with exactly the same name, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
um, confused it a bit. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
So, obviously, the one on the caravan site is not our one, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
because he's very much alive! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-HE CHUCKLES -To Dave Hadley's horror, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
he spoke to the deceased, as it were! | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
So their first lead was a dead end, or, in this case, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
very much a living one. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
But now the team have found an address for the other Ernest G Wright. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
We've got the address now. It's not that address. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
We've got a different address in Canvey Island. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Er, which we think he owned his own property, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
so it's important this one. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
If it's the right one this time, and Ernest did own his own house, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
there could be serious money involved. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
They need to move fast to keep ahead of any competing heir hunters. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Just hope the competition don't decide to muscle in on this. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
We haven't seen any sign of them yet, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
but, it doesn't mean to say they're not going to do it. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Having wasted time on the wrong Mr Wright, Dave's keen to catch up. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
It turns out there is a second Ernest George Wright, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
who also lived on Canvey Island, that passed away last year, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
and we've got a possible address for him. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
So I'm making my way there now to see what I can find out about him. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
While Dave hurries to the address, researchers back in the office | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
try to find Ernest's birth certificate. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
With a common name like Wright, it could take some time, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
but only by finding out who his parents are can they begin to hunt for heirs. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
We're a bit stuck at the moment, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
because we don't know how old he is and there is a list | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
of ten or so Ernest G Wright birth records, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:07 | |
so we don't know which is the right one yet. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Got one West Ham, 1923, he died 1991. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
So that leaves that guy. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
The one in Romford, in D16, died in '87. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
Back in Canvey Island, Dave checks with a neighbour | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
to see if they have the right address this time. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
-Was it Ernest who lived over there? -Yes, Ernest Wright, yes. -OK. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-Did he live on his own? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Any idea how old Ernest was? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
He was 85. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
So it looks like they've found where the right Ernest Wright lived this time | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
and Dave's information ties up with the research in the office. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
We've just found a birth of a deceased on June, 1925, in Holborn. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
Mother's maiden name is Matthewman, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
which is quite an uncommon maiden name. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
So his mother's unusual maiden name means they quickly find | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
the marriage certificate for Mary Matthewman and Ernest Wright, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
married in 1919 in Mile End, East London. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
There is no other marriage of a male Wright | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
marrying a female Matthewman anywhere in the country. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
They're making good progress. But, to find out if there's big money in the estate, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
the team still need to know if Ernest owned his own property. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Dave's on the case. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-And did he own that house? -Yes. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-And lived there for many years, presumably? -Yes. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
It's great news. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
The team's hunch is confirmed. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Ernest definitely owned his bungalow | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
and it could be worth up to £150,000. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
-This one is the important case. -Which one's that? -Wright. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
This is the only one that we know has got value. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Now they know there's real worth to the estate | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
and the chase is on to find the heirs. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-Do you know whether he was married or...? -No, not married. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
You say he was never married. You know that for sure, do you? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
-Yeah, never married. -Always a single guy, no children? -No. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Dave's done a brilliant job | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and gathered vital information for the team back in the office. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
He's found out that Ernest never had a family of his own | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
who would've inherited his money. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
So now the researchers focus on the siblings. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
They quickly discover that Ernest had four sisters - | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Emily, Irene, Victoria and Gladys. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
As the closest blood relatives, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
they are the rightful heirs to Ernest's estate. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Coming up, the pressure's on to find Ernest's four sisters. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-Irene's born March 21. Are you doing that? -Yeah. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
If any of them are still alive, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
they will share an estate worth at least £150,000. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Every now and then, a case turns up that has a lasting effect | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
on even the most experienced heir hunter. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
When Saul Marks, at Celtic Research, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
came across the estate of Howard Soberg, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
he was about to uncover a story of bravery, excitement | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
and heartbreak. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
Howard Martin Soberg died without a will | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
in Bradford on 7th July 2009. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
He was 64 and he left behind an estate worth £9,000. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
It was the name Soberg that caught Saul's eye | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
and led him to start the investigation. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
This name first came to my attention on the weekly release list, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
because the surname ends in "berg" | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
and that's a very common ending to Jewish surnames. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
I specialise in Jewish cases, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
so I immediately wondered whether it was a Jewish case. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I did a little bit more investigation on it | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
and I found that his father's name was Tormod. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
That really made me think this is probably Scandinavian. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
The name Soberg is very rare in Britain, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
which helped speed up Saul's research. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
There were only, literally, a handful of Sobergs | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
and it seems they were all related to each other. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Saul discovered that Howard's father was from Norway. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
He moved to England and married Miriam Martin, in Leeds, in 1943. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:42 | |
They had two children - Howard and a daughter. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Next, he checked records to see | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
if Howard had a wife or children himself. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
I established that the deceased had actually been married twice | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and that he'd had a daughter by his first wife | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
and her name was Victoria. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
Um, I couldn't find any listings for the wife or the daughter. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
Saul discovered that Howard had been divorced twice. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
His ex-wives were not entitled to his money, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
but if his daughter Victoria was still alive, or had children, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
they would be the beneficiaries of his estate. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
If not, his only hope of finding an heir would be through Howard's sister. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
She died in 2005. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
But if she had any children, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
they would be next in line to inherit. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
A good trick I find, with unusual names, whether it's a surname, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
or a name combination, is to throw it into Google and see what happens. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
Saul's research led him to a submariners' website, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
where he discovered Howard had gone to sea in 1963 at just 18 years old. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:52 | |
He had played a vital role as a radar plotter | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
in one of the most important periods of naval history. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
-SERVICEMEN: -The main gate open, sir. -Roger. Diving now, diving now. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
Early in his career, he served on board the warship HMS Plymouth, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
alongside Paul Hartley, who remembers Howard, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
or Harry, as he knew him, very well. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
Harry and I were both able seaman. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
We spent the whole two years on there going all the way all over the place, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
like the Med and the Far East. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Up to Hong Kong. HE LAUGHS | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
It was a good commission and it was a good ship. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
We were both in the same mess, so...that's the living quarters, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
so we just became friends. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
We were best oppos as we called it in the Navy. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
You know, I had other oppos, but he was like your best oppo. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
It's like friends, you've got a best friend you can tell anything to | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
and that's how it was with us. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
He had a good sense of humour. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
And, he wouldn't let you down, sort of, you could rely on him | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
and, yes, he was an all-round good ant. He was. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Sadly, Paul lost touch with Howard when they both joined new ships. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
I never saw Harry again. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
In fact, most of the people I was in the Navy with I never saw again. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It's not like, I suppose, being in the Army, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
where you are in the same battalion the whole time and you get to know everybody. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
It was just ships that pass in the night, literally. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
In the years that followed, Howard became a submariner | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
and played a vital role in the Cold War. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The Cuban Missile Crisis had brought the world closer to nuclear conflict | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
than ever before. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
US intelligence picked up on a suspicious increase | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
in shipping traffic between Russia and Cuba. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
-NEWSREEL: -Is a breakneck Soviet build-up of personnel and military equipment under way? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
A bland Khrushchev denies supplying offensive weapons to Cuba. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
His foreign minister, Andre Gromyko, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
tells President Kennedy that the Soviet government | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
would never become involved in rendering such assistance. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Spy planes located nuclear weapons stockpiled on the island, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
just 90 miles off the coast of America. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
It shall be the policy of this nation | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
against any nation in the Western Hemisphere | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
In the tense years that followed, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Howard served as a radar plotter | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
on board the nuclear submarine HMS Courageous, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
now open to the public as a museum. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Former colleague Michael Pitkeathly remembers working with him. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
And it was from this room that they tracked the enemy's every move. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Our principal function was to gather in the sonar information and plot it. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:06 | |
You would plot the range and get a feel for what the target was doing. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
-Chapel, 320. -320. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Harry was an exceptional operator, much better than me, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
and he would bowl out a solution relatively quickly. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
He always sort of had the knack. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Where I really had to work at it, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
he seemed to come in here, "Oh, it's obviously doing that." | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
HE LAUGHS Very annoying! | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
On here, he was very, very neat and pedantic with his plotting. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
So, yeah, Harry was a good member of the team to have. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
The work that Courageous was doing during the Cold War was critical | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
in that we were gaining intelligence | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
on what the Soviets were doing and their expanding fleet at the time. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
As a submariner, Howard spent months at a time underwater | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
and had no contact with anyone, not even his family. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
A lot of people just blanked it out, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
because there is nothing you can do about it, absolutely nothing. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
And there is a busy, busy environment working, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
so your whole focus on life is getting the job done. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
"A nuclear submarine is an undersea home." | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
"It stays submerged for a couple of months at a time. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
"That's the real difference for the crew. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
"The word 'submarine' now means what it says." | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
And Howard, and the crew of Courageous, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
known as a hunter-killer sub, were always on alert. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
I remember once | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
we were about to conduct an underwater look on a Soviet. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Now, an underwater look is where you creep up on to the Soviets, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
get underneath, so that your periscopes can see all his hull fittings. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:56 | |
So you've got to be very, very close to these possible hostile units. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
And I remember that we were under this unit | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
and, all of a sudden, we heard three very loud bangs, very close to us. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
They'd obviously sussed we were out underneath | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
and done the gentlemanly thing and thrown three grenades over the side | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
just to let us know that they knew we were down there. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
So we hoiked away fairly rapidly. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
It was Howard's naval career | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
that led Saul to make a remarkable discovery. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
There was a forum in which this lady named Victoria was actually searching for her father | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
and this was an absolute goldmine. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
It was an exciting breakthrough. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Was this really Howard's daughter, the sole heir to his £9,000 estate? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
And would Saul be able to find her? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Coming up, the heir hunt turns emotional. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
I think this is the only case, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
certainly to date, where I found myself in tears. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:26 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
thousands, or even millions of pounds? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years and, today, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
we're focusing on three names. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
Roman Augustyn Hachulski died in December 2000 in Leicester. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
Hachulski is most commonly a Polish surname. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
Does that name mean anything to you? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Semek Binti Smith died in Bristol in 1997. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
Smith is the most common surname in the UK, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
but Semek is a very rare first name. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Do you have a Semek in your family? | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Kathleen Mary Waddon died in Taunton, Somerset, in May 2007. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
By far the highest concentration of the surname is in Somerset. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
Were you a friend or neighbour of Kathleen? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
If no heirs are found, her money will go to the Government. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
If the names Roman Hachulski, Semek Smith or Kathleen Waddon | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
Heir hunters Fraser & Fraser are investigating the case of Ernest George Wright. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
He died in Essex, in October 2010, without leaving a will. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:02 | |
The investigation got off to a shaky start... | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Ernest George Wright? OK. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
..when on-the-road researcher Dave came face to face with a man he thought was dead. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:14 | |
Um... Well, I'm a bit confused, then. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
But they were soon back on track. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
Right, we've got the address. It's not that address, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
we've got a different address in Canvey Island. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
They have discovered that he owned his bungalow, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
which could be worth up to £150,000. This could be a valuable estate. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
The team have been researching Ernest's family tree. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
They have established that his parents, Ernest Wright and Mary Matthewman, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
were married in 1919, and that he had four sisters. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Ernest was a bachelor all his life and did not have children. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
As his parents had passed away, his sisters were the next heirs in line. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
But, sadly, the team have found that not one of them is still alive. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
Emily's marriage certificate, however, led them to a daughter. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
They found Ernest's first living heir and Grimble has spoken to her. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Apparently, there was a lot of contact with the deceased | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
up until about four years ago. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
It seems he wrote to them, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
got a bit uptight and said he didn't want to know the family any more. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
To me, that strikes of somebody getting old and getting a bit funny. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
So that seems to be the sole reason this has become a case. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Basically, old age has crept in | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
and the poor guy didn't want to know the rest of the family. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
But along with the sad story of how Ernest lost touch with his relatives, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Grimble has some more positive news about his estate. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
We learned from the niece that he was a bit funny with banks. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
He didn't like putting money in the bank. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
So, the age-old thing, he stacked money all over the house, particularly the loft. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
Well, the house has been empty for two years. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-HE CHUCKLES -Hopefully it's still there. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Even into his 80s, Ernest was an active and independent character. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
His neighbour Cathy remembers how he used to cycle to the supermarket. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
Every week, he'd go down to the shops and come back laden | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
and I often wondered how he pushed the bike along, let alone ride it. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
He didn't look physically strong, but he must've been. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
He was always up and down ladders and doing things around the house. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
But, then, Ernest was taken ill and Cathy raised the alarm. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
I was calling through the letterbox, "Ernie, Ernie, it's me." | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
"It's Cathy. open up the door, Ernie." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
"It's Cathy, open up the door." | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
Oh, about ten minutes. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
And I couldn't get any answer and I got worried, so I phoned the police. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
And they came down and they went into the back, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
broke open the back door, and they found him lying on the floor. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
I'm not sure whether it was the passage or the front room. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
They called the doctor and an ambulance | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
and they took him to Southend Hospital. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Ernest never returned to his bungalow | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
and was moved to a series of residential care homes. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
But he remained friends with Cathy and she often went to visit him. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
All of a sudden, he'd got people to talk to and he was a changed... | 0:27:24 | 0:27:30 | |
He was changed. He'd sort of... | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
I mean, he was laughing with us. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
There's me telling my sister he's a bit quiet and a bit shy | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
and, all of a sudden, he was joking around with us. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
My sister said, "He's a bit of a gay old boy!" | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I said, "No, not normally. He must've changed since he came here!" | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
So he introduced us to this woman. He said, "This is my girlfriend." | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
It made me feel good that, at last, | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
he'd got somebody to talk to him. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
Because he shouldn't be on his own. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
And for the team hunting Ernest's heirs, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
things are looking positive, too. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
His niece has told them of two more heirs - | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
another niece, daughter of his sister Victoria, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
and a nephew, the son of his sister Irene. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
All three heirs are entitled to a share of Ernest's estate | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
and the team quickly identify his nephew. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
She's got a cousin. A Michael Allen. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
And Michael is the son of Irene Linda Wright, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:42 | |
who married Robert Allen in 1943, in Edmonton. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
Now the hunt is on to contact nephew Michael before the competition. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
Right, that's... | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
The guys downstairs traced the address for the nephew, Michael Allen. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:01 | |
And he's living in Woodford. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
Dave needs to get there as quickly as possible | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
and see if he can sign him up. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
They've managed to get an address for Michael, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
which is in E18. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
I've tried ringing the telephone number, but there's no reply. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
It's frustrating news. But then there's better luck at the office. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Hello, Dave? Right, that Michael Allen just phoned in the office, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
only I missed the call. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
So it looks like he must be at home. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
In Woodford, East London, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
Dave delivers the news to Ernest's nephew. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
I represent a company called Fraser & Fraser | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
and we trace missing heirs and beneficiaries in unclaimed estates. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
It's predominantly where people die without leaving a will. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Um, we're working on a case at the moment | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
where a gentleman passed away last year | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
and we believe that you were his nephew. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Er, and that he was related to you through your mother. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
Ernest Wright, you must be talking about. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
-That's the man. -He was my uncle. I haven't seen him for 40 years. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
I know Mum used to go down to visit him at Canvey. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
-Yeah. -Like, in the late '80s, early '90s. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
Then she suffered from bronchitis and things | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
-and it was just too much of a journey for her. -Yeah. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Um, he, um, he was taken ill over the last couple of years | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
and, eventually, had to move into a care home. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
-I see. -He passed away in February last year. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
Um, he didn't have any children, he was never married. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
No, he was a single man. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
And because he didn't leave a will, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
-any of his estate must pass to a blood relative. -Mm-hm. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
-Now, your mother, as I understand it, was Irene, was it? -Yes. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:01 | |
-She was his sister. -Yes. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
And because Irene has sadly passed away, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
then any entitlement she would have had passes to her children. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Which I'm the only one. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
You're the only one, so whatever she would have got will now go to you. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
OK. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
Although he hadn't seen him for years, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Michael has fond childhood memories of his uncle. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
He was a very quiet man. He was a carpenter. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
He was, yeah, worked for the council. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
He made me a cricket bat when I was five years old. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
-Did he really? -It was very good. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Michael remembers | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
how he and his parents once shared a home with Ernest. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
It was a big, old house in Haringey, where you had... | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
Er, it was only a two-storey house. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
But then you had... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
Downstairs, it was the old scullery and the kitchen, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
where Nan used to have... Her bedroom was on the ground floor. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
You came up one flight of stairs, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
and that was my uncle's bedroom and the bathroom and toilet. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Then, up another flight, and that was our little flat with me, Mum and Dad. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
The years went by, the family sort of moved apart. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
I'm not really sure of the exact reasons. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
But I married in 1970 and we moved over here | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
and I've not seen that side of the family since. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Despite the sad news of his uncle's death, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Michael plans to put the money he left to good use. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
My son is just buying a house and, if there is anything, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
it will take 18 months, or whatever, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
I think he'll be very happy to get a lump off his mortgage. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
-'Hello?' -Hello. David. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
-'Hello, mate, how you going?' -I've just signed up Mr Allen. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Oh, lovely. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
-'Did you really?' -Yeah. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
What's he say about his uncle? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Um, last had any contact with him over 40 years ago. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
'Oh.' | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Um, and he's going to give the money to his son. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
That's a nice result then. Yeah, lovely. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
OK, well you're doing well, Dave. I'm really grateful. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
-Cheers then, mate. -'Cheers.' -Bye. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
They've signed up Ernest's nephew with no sign of the competition | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and Dave's a happy man. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
It's been a really good day today. Apart from a shaky start, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
everything's gone pretty smoothly, really. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
In total, the heir hunters found two nieces and nephew Michael. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
They will all share in Ernest's estate. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
Made up of his property and savings, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
it's estimated to be worth £200,000. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Heir hunters Celtic Research were investigating the estate of Howard Martin Soberg. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
He died in Bradford, aged 64, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
leaving an estate worth £9,000. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
Heir hunter Saul Marks made quick progress with the case. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
There was only one Howard Martin Soberg who ever lived in this country. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
Um, you know, it makes it much easier, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
but you've still got to make sure that you've got the right family. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Saul discovered that Howard had a daughter, Victoria, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
from his first marriage. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
If he could find her, she would be the sole heir. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
On a submariners' website, he came across a woman looking | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
for Howard Soberg, who she said was her father. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Could this be the missing daughter Saul was looking for? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
Her screen name on this forum was the Vicky T. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
And I was thinking, "I can't find her under the name Soberg." | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
Then, the light bulbs went in my head and I realised | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
that the deceased's first wife had remarried a gentleman named Tilson. | 0:34:54 | 0:35:00 | |
And that led me to think, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
"Right, maybe Victoria took her stepfather's name of Tilson." | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
So I looked her up under Tilson and there she was in Barnsley. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Saul prepared himself to deliver the sad news to Victoria. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
Close-kin cases are always difficult in terms of sensitivity and emotion, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
because you often have to break the news to people | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
that a very close family member has died. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
He hadn't died particularly long before his case was released, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
so I figured the chances were probably that she didn't know he'd died. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
At his Liverpool office, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
Saul had found an address for Victoria in Yorkshire, but no phone number. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
So he decided to drive to her house. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
But it was December and there was heavy snow. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
It took me, in the end, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
3½ hours to drive 23 miles | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
just to get out of Merseyside. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
I was sitting in the car the whole time, thinking | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
this was a fairly easy case for me to solve, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
which means it was probably easy for the competition, as well. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
In total, his journey took him five hours. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
But, finally, he arrived Victoria's house. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Her partner was there and he told me, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
incredibly frustratingly, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
that she was three quarters of the way to Shropshire | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
on a...to go to a business meeting. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
So what he kindly did was ring her up on her mobile. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
That left me with the heart-wrenching job of having | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
to tell this lady, over the phone, in a car, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
that her father, who she had been searching for, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
had passed away and she had failed in her quest. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
And she pulled the car over and she cried and she cried. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
What Victoria revealed is a heartbreaking story | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
of how a daughter and father lost touch. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
He was away at sea for most of my early childhood. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
I remember him coming home in his uniform. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
He was always very smart, very handsome. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
Um... | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
But, really, I don't know what happened on those boats, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
I have no idea. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
When Howard was posted to Plymouth, his wife refused to relocate | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
and leave her family in Yorkshire behind. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
He bought himself out of the Navy in 1976, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
when Victoria was just nine. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
My mum, she spent an inordinate amount of time by herself. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
She was only a young woman and to be sort of home alone, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:47 | |
raising a child by yourself, couldn't have been easy. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
I think that was the reason he came out of the Navy, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
so that he could be with his family. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
But family life wasn't easy and, shortly afterwards, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Victoria's parents divorced | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
and her mother married again. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Howard found it hard to adjust to life after the Navy. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
He moved away and remarried | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
and Victoria hardly ever saw him. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
The last time I saw my dad was when I was around 20 years of age | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
and he came round to my house. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
He'd got me a cooker and a gas fire | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
and he fitted those for me. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Um, that was a nice day to remember. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
But, after that, I think, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
with him being remarried, we just didn't have that much contact. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
It wasn't until I was pregnant with my first child, Amy, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
that I thought maybe I should look for him. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
Because I thought he had the right to know that he had some grandchildren, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
but I just couldn't find him. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
Six years ago, Victoria thought she was making progress | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
when an online tracing company thought they'd found him. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
I found an address for him, which was down in Gloucestershire. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
Sort of a boarding house, where my father was staying. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
The landlady told me that he'd left two years since, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
that he'd been very poorly, he'd got throat cancer. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
He'd had a lot of treatment for it, but he had been very ill. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
She thought he'd ended up in the Cheshire area. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
So I switched my searching from Gloucestershire to Cheshire, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
but I couldn't find anything, no addresses, no nothing. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
I'd say that I was looking for my father for over ten years. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
After hearing the news that her father had died, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
Victoria arranged to meet Saul. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
We sat together in her kitchen and she told me in detail | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
all about her search for her father. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
And we both ended up in floods of tears. It was quite incredible. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
You don't get cases that touch you emotionally very often. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
You do have to be sensitive | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
to people who have just lost a very close relative. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
But I think this is the only case, certainly to date, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
where I've found myself in tears with an heir in their house. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Um, it was just incredible to hear the heartache | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
of her having gone through all these different resources, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
all over the country, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
online, off-line, to try and find her father. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
And then to find... | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
Ultimately, to have a phone call to say that she'd been unsuccessful. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
It felt very strange to be told by a complete stranger | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
what had happened to my dad. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
You don't expect that. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
It was very upsetting and distressing, as you can imagine. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
But it was also interesting. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
At least it gave some closure as to what had happened. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
Perhaps the most heartbreaking twist of the story for Victoria | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
was to find out that her father had been living in a nursing home | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
within easy reach of where she lived. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
When I found out my dad had spent probably three years living in Bradford, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
bearing in mind I'm about three quarters of an hour away from Bradford, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
from where I live, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
I just found it so ironic. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
It was... That was... | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
I think that was the most unbelievable thing, really. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
To think that he was so close. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
I actually went to the nursing home | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
where he spent the last two years of his life. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
And the staff there were friendly. They told me lots about him. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
I met some of his friends that he used to like to go to the pub with. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
That was nice, actually, finding out people who had looked after him. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
That gave me some comfort. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
They told me that they'd scattered his ashes at Scholemoor Cemetery in Bradford, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
so I went there and put some flowers. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
SHE SNIFFS | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
Despite eight other heir hunters contacting her, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
Victoria signed Saul's agreement | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
as the sole surviving heir of Howard's £9,000 estate. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
I think the most important thing for me | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
was actually finding out what had happened to him. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
Um, that was... It's more valuable than any sum of money. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
Um, as for that, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
I haven't really made my mind up what I'm going to do with it, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
but I think probably the most fitting thing to do would be | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
to set up trust funds for the children. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Um, I think that would be nice. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
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