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Heir hunters specialise in tracking down people who are entitled | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
to money from someone who's died. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Now, we believe, sir, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
that you'll be entitled to a share in your cousin's estate. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
Sometimes, the deceased simply hasn't left a will. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Sometimes, they've been estranged from their family. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
Are we talking about a large estate? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Either way, the heir hunters must make sure any unclaimed money | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
goes to the right people. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I had to read it two or three times | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
because I thought, "Wow! What is this?" | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
But it's a competitive business with thousands of pounds at stake... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
-He signed. -Oh, well done. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
..as rival firms go head-to-head to find heirs... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
Because you're in a competitive process, there's a time constraint. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
..and hand over tens of thousands of pounds | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
to unsuspecting beneficiaries. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Coming up, the heir hunters discover how a secret feud | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
tore a family apart. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
Not only did these cousins not know of each other's existence, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
but none of them could explain why their parents had refused to | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
talk about their past. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
There's tough competition on a case as rival companies go head-to-head. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
I don't know if you've signed any contracts or anything with | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
this company... | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
Plus, could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
How you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
It's Wednesday morning and, in the offices of Fraser & Fraser, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
researchers are already busy working up cases. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
This needs to go in priority, but I think he's wrong. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
I don't like it. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
It's just near Regents Park. Do you want the details, then? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
They married in December 1927, Fulham... | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
Anything Streatham, Dave Hadley? | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
Senior case manager Dave Slee has had a tipoff about an unclaimed | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
-estate that could potentially be worth over £300,000. -Good. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
No, that confirms that... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Such a valuable case will have attracted the attention | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
of many other rival firms, so the pressure is on to crack it first. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
Michael Dodsworth died in a nursing home on the 27th of November 2012. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
Neighbour Brenda Johnson knew him as a young boy. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
In his younger days, he was a bit of a pickle, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
but he was always good to people. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
He went to school down Brixton way, it was. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
He was very clever. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
He was quite good at languages and everything. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
He could speak six languages, I think he could speak. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Michael had a long and successful career as a translator | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
for the Metropolitan Police. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
Roy Walker was his neighbour for 37 years and remembers him | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
as a very intelligent man. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
If you spoke to him about everyday events, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
he seemed to know what was happening in the world | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
and could talk in an intelligent conversation with you. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Oh, he was a real gentleman, yeah, yeah. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
He opened the door for ladies, that type of thing, a very | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
old-fashioned gentleman, but very friendly, would always stop and chat. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
As I said, a very gentle man. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Until recently, the majority of the heir hunters' work | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
came from the Treasury Solicitors. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
But, nowadays, and just like with Michael Dodsworth's case, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
they use a variety of different sources to find unclaimed estates. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Neil Fraser has been in the business for 13 years | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and describes how the challenge has changed. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
'We have reporters out who we pay' | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
a referral fee to, every time they give us a case. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
We collect it from various councils, we search the newspapers, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
we do an awful lot of work to try and get cases. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
Heir hunters are paid by commission from a percentage | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
of the unclaimed estate, as agreed by the beneficiaries, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
so, the pressure is on to crack the case before any rival company. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
It's all about staying ahead of the game and reacting quickly, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
so, in the office, it's all hands on deck. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Let's see if you can find Dawn for the moment. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
I need to get that marriage on top there. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
He's a bachelor, so no worry about half-brothers... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Dave pulls in more researchers to help with this high value case. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
That ain't right. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
We're ahead of any competition, which is good news. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
They've already managed to establish Michael was married, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
but it appears his wife died and they had no children. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
If there is no immediate family found, the heir hunters then | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
have to broaden their search generation by generation. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
In Michael's case, the researchers soon discover he was | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
born in 1945 to Sylvia, a nurse, and engineer Edward Dodsworth. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
We couldn't find any other children off of that marriage, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
so we came to the conclusion that there were no half-siblings or | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
siblings, making the deceased an only child, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
so we then we had to work it up to his aunts and uncles and, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
by doing so, we found out about the parents. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
And it's here the hard work starts. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
How many stems you got? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
That's three definite, that's four, five... | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
six stems in total. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Starting work on the paternal side, the team discovers Michael's father | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
was the eldest of five children born to Edward and Elizabeth Dodsworth. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Oh, no, that's you! | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
With four uncles and aunts on the paternal side, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
the team must move fast. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
Two children died in infancy, leaving an Uncle William | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
and Aunt Dorothy to research. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
It seems that there's going to be two potential stems on the paternal side. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
One seems pretty easy, but she's married a Jones. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
The other one we can't find anything for at the moment, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
but, hopefully...we'll get onto it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
But it's soon clear that tracing Aunt Dorothy will be | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
a little more tricky than first thought. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
I know she marries an Arthur Albert H Jones. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Jones is always a bit of a slog. Um, just trying to find their daughter. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
I believe they have a daughter by the name of Jenny. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
While Ben plugs away at the paternal tree... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Anything likely to come paternal? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
No. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
..things are moving quickly on the maternal side. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
The team have quickly established that Michael's mum Sylvia was | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
the only daughter of Harry and Daisy Barker, and she had five siblings. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
The children of Harry and Daisy Barker, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
the males were all born at a time when they would have been | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
primed to have been called up during the Second World War. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
There was every likelihood that, unfortunately, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
at least one of them might be killed during that time. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Dave Slee's hunch is correct, as the team soon discover that | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
one of the brothers, Derrick, died in 1943 during the war. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Has this been done? | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
But the team are able to find a telephone number for someone | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
who they think could be a son of one of the other brothers, Graham. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Could the first heir have been found? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I'm calling Graham Barker, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
a potential heir on the Dodsworth Estate. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
Hello, good afternoon. Very sorry to trouble you, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
I'm trying to trace a gentleman | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
by the name of Graham Barker who would have been born in 1944. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
You're born '53, are you? Not '44. I'm sorry. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
We've obviously picked a Graham Barker, but...I think we've got | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
the wrong family and I'm sorry to have troubled you, sir. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
A disappointing result for Dave. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
However, on the other side of the office... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-Yes! -..case manager Ben thinks he's had a breakthrough. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
I think I might have found a paternal cousin of the deceased. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Um, the daughter of Dorothy Jane Dodsworth who married Mrs Jones. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
Um...I'm not completely convinced at the moment, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
but I think I'm on the right track. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
Michael's mum Sylvia had five brothers and if they, or any of | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
their children are alive, they would be heirs to this six-figure estate. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Boom! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
But the research on this side of the family | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
is giving case manager Dave a headache. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
There's just paperwork everywhere. This is just... | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Where's her phone number? I don't? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
My day has been a nightmare and... | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
..when you've got so much information coming at you | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
so quickly from all angles... | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
I like everything... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
and if it's not like that... | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
it throws me. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
But, finally, Dave thinks he's tracked down | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
one of Michael's maternal uncles. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
Brian has one son who's a solicitor. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Brian married Jean Wales in 1943 and they had one son. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
So, can you call Charlie...? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
If they can get in touch with him, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
they may have found their first heir. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
I said, "Have you married anyone?" | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
That Cambridge one is made to Raymond A Deeks... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
All the team focus on finding a contact number for the son. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
The pressure is on as they need to reach him | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
before any other company in order to get their commission. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Sweet, it all ties in nicely. Brilliant. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Quickly, a number is found, so Dave wastes no time in calling him. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
Now, we believe, sir, that you'll be entitled to a share in... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
your cousin's estate. Thank you for taking the call, sir. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Thank you, sir. Bye-bye. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Dave's on a roll and is cheered with the thought he's ahead of the game. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
And he soon has another heir on the phone. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Hello, good afternoon, Mrs Barker? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
I don't know if you've been made aware of the fact that, uh, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
a cousin of your late husband's has passed away by... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
But another heir hunting company has already been in touch. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Have they actually been to see you today? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Oh, right, OK. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Uh, I don't know if you've signed any contracts or anything with | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
this company... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
You can go to whoever you feel most comfortable with. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Thank you now. Bye-bye. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
It looks like Dave's role has come to an abrupt ending. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
With confirmation that the competition is | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
hot on their heels, the company deploys one of their | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
most experienced travelling researchers, Ewart Lindsay. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Ewart has worked for the firm for around 18 years and, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
in that time, he's knocked on thousands of doors to tell | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
people they're due an unexpected windfall. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
It takes one aim, you know, to find heirs, get them all signed up. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
You know, that's what I'll be doing. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
I enjoy it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
As well as signing up heirs, travelling researchers | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
collect certificates and carry out door to door enquiries. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
And, for this specific case, with the competition breathing | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
down their necks, Ewart needs to be ready to spring into action. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
However, it's not going to be that straightforward. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
The first thing to find was where Mr Barker lives. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
BIG BEN CHIMES | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
While the Treasury Solicitor publishes a list of new cases | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
every day, the heir hunters can't always find the vital clues | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
that lead them to entitled relatives. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
This cases remain on the government's unclaimed list | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
for up to 30 years. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
BIG BEN CHIMES | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
Like other probate genealogy firms, Celtic Research, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
run by father and son team Peter and Hector Birchwood, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
find the list incredibly useful and with ever-evolving technology, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
the team sometimes look back at cases that remain unsolved. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Over the last 11 years, our business has changed completely. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
Uh, the internet has revolutionised the way in which | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
we access information, uh, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
and the way in which informations are made available to us. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
And that's why, in 2012, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Hector reopened a case they'd failed to crack ten years earlier. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
And even though other heir hunters had looked into it, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
the case remained a mystery. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
This case has been sitting unsolved for a number of years | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and we simply decided to take a look with fresh eyes. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Looking at the number of potential branches, I could see that there | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
was a very good possibility that there would be heirs. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Lewis Eskenazi died at home in Stamford Hill, North London, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
almost 30 years ago in 1984. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
He was 62 years of age. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Very little is known about his life, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
as he was a very private man who dedicated his life to caring for | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
his mother and, unfortunately, there are no surviving photos of him. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
What is known is that he lived all his life | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
in the Stamford Hill area, a well-known Jewish community. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Avocados, come on! | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
It's believed he and his mother had a hat stall in the famous | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Ridley Road Market during the 1960s and '70s. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Stallholder Larry Julian remembers the Jewish clothing stalls. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
They would all walk around with tape measures all round their necks | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
and they'd have a little area at the back where people | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
could try their clothes on. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
Uh, the quality of the clothing was very, very good. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
Uh, and that's how it actually was and it was the Jewish people, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
because they was a more clothing people, it would be probably out of | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
the 30% of Jewish people that traded in this market, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
20% would be clothing traders. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
Another trader, Gerald Viner, has had a fabric stall here | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
all his life and has watched the market evolve through the decades. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
In the '70s, you know, we sold a lot more different cloths, cos | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
there were a lot more Jewish people here, but nowadays it has changed. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
They've moved out of the area and other people have moved in, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
but it was always a good spirit. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
There was hardly any trouble and it was good times, really. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
Raspberries, two for a pound! | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
Saul Marks has worked as an heir hunter for five years | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
and is the company's expert in Jewish cases, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
and when he saw this unsolved case worth around £18,000, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
he decided to take on the challenge of solving it. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
The research that had been done in the London office showed that | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Lewis was an only child, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
and that he hadn't married or had any children. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Saul's passion for genealogy comes from his own family history. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
My dad has always been very frustrated that his father's parents | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
would never say where they came from. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
They were Russian Jews who arrived in England not long after | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
the turn of the 20th century. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
They changed their surname to Marks | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
and my dad always felt throughout his life that this was very much | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
a problem for him because it was part of his identity that was missing | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
and part of his background that was missing. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
I set out to try and solve this mystery. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
I actually managed to solve it when I was 22 and it was incredible. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
I was able to reunite him | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
with his cousins who lived only a few miles from where we lived | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
and we never knew they existed, and we had family photos in our | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
line of the family and we didn't know who the people were in the photos. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
Other copies of those photos were on our cousin's mantelpieces just | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
a few miles away and we never knew. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
And it was brilliant, my dad feels much more fulfilled now thanks | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
to my work and his work with me. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
Based in the Liverpool office, Saul was keen to get started and he | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
soon discovered Lewis was the only child of Leah and Jacob Eskenazi. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
So, to find any heirs, he would have to look to the wider family. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
He began with Lewis' parents. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
We were able to establish that Jacob was actually born in Turkey, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and there were a number of Eskenazi in the 1911 census within | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
the Jewish community of the UK. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
I spoke to representatives of all the various Eskenazi families that | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
I'd found, but none of them remembered the deceased at all. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
And most of them had come from Istanbul in Turkey. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
So, unfortunately, we ran into a complete dead end. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
Not a great start for Saul. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
So, with the paternal side of the family proving too difficult | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
to trace, Saul turned his attention to the maternal side. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
The deceased mother's name was Leah Wagenaar. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
The spelling of Wagenaar was very, very unusual. It was W-A-G-E-N-A-A-R. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:16 | |
Normally, you would expect Wagner to be as the composer, W-A-G-N-E-R. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
The problem here was that these two spellings were used interchangeably. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
The first thing I had to do, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
was look at all the occurrences of the longer spelling... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
and make sure that that the ones that were part of the family were | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
accounted for, and the ones that weren't part of the family | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
were then discounted. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
As the spelling was so unusual, Saul quickly found Leah's parents, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Harriet and Solomon Wagenaar. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Solomon had set himself up as a diamond polisher when the | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
family settled in the thriving Jewish community in East London. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
From the late 19th century, around two million Jewish people | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
fled persecution in Eastern Europe looking for a better life. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
Most of the Jews that came to Britain settled in London, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
and most of those settled in the East End of London, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
and this was close to the docks where they had actually arrived. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
Jewish people were associated with a number of trades. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
These include furniture making, hat making, also the jewellery trade. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
They were associated with these kinds of trades | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
because the skills were fairly easy to learn, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
also they would have brought these skills with them from their home | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
countries and it was relatively easy to set yourself up in these trades. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
You only had to have a small amount of capital to | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
actually buy the equipment. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Housing conditions in the East End were very difficult. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
The East End was already a very, very densely packed area | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
before the Jewish community settled there. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
This meant there were houses with huge numbers of people | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
occupying the different rooms. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Um, conditions were very, very poor, so there'd be perhaps damp, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
they'd maybe be bug infested, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
and this led to lots of social projects to try | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
and improve the housing and build new housing for people to move into. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
Lewis had lived his entire life just a stone's throw | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
from the East End, so it was highly likely | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
some of his relatives would have made this area their home. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Back on the case, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
Saul had now discovered that Lewis had five aunts and uncles. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
They had all passed away, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
so he knew he was now looking for their children. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
These would be Lewis' first cousins. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
He started with Isabella. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
And she married a gentleman named Abraham Kantrowiz. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
This was a rather easier family to identify, because of the spelling. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
It was spelled K-A-N-T-R-O-W-I-Z. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
Very, very unusual spelling of the name. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Because of this unusual spelling, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
we were able to establish a death listing for Isabella Wagenaar. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
She died age 43, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
and she and Abraham Kantrowiz had six children. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Saul started with Isabella's daughter, Bertha. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Bertha married Edward in 1937 and they had two daughters | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
One of whom seemed to still be alive and was therefore a potential heir. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
Had Saul done the impossible | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
and finally found the first beneficiary of this £18,000 estate? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
Hi, my name's Saul Marks... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
'I therefore contacted this lady and explained' | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
the reason I was calling and I was hoping that she would be able | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
to put me in touch with all her cousins on her mother's side. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
The case was really picking up pace | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
and Saul had found his first heir, but then there was a dramatic twist. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
As far as this lady knew, she... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
had no first cousins... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
and yet, I knew that there were four other branches of | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
the Kantrowiz family out there waiting to be found. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Just like the Lewis Eskenazi story, not all cases can be cracked | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
and, every year, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
millions of pounds go to the government from unclaimed estates. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
The money raised by the Bona Vacantia Division is passed | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
annually to the Treasury and it goes into the consolidated fund. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
When the Bona Vacantia Division passes money to the Treasury, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
it puts the case on its unclaimed list | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
and it stays on there for 12 years to be claimed. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
If someone makes a valid claim within that period, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
then the money is paid back. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Today, we're focusing on two cases that are yet to be | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
solved by the heir hunters. | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they are looking for? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
First, is the case of... | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
..who died on... | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
..2012, in... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
Christopher is believed to have died a bachelor. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Records show that he was born on... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
His parents were... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
..who died aged 67 in... | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
..who died in 2010, aged 86. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
Despite all this information, there's been no success in | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
tracing beneficiaries to his estate. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Next, can you help with the case of... | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
He died a bachelor in... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
He was born in... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
..in Scotland. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Both George and Christopher's estates remain unclaimed. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
However, there is hope beneficiaries could still be found. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
We find that cases are being solved much more quickly these days, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
there's a lot more interest in the general public in this line of work. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
We find that they are using the internet more, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
there's much more resources out there. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Do you have any clues? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
Could you be the relative the heir hunters are looking for? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
In London, Dave Slee and the team are on the hunt for heirs to | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
a high value estate estimated to be worth over £300,000. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
He's a bachelor, so no worry about half-brothers... | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
With the possibility that rival firms could be | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
breathing down their necks, the team are racing to try | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
and be the first to sign up heirs and get their fee. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Just see if you can find Dawn, for the moment. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
Well, I need to get that marriage on top there. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
So far, the team has quickly built up a picture of the family tree... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
I'm going to take the tree if you don't need it. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
..and they found heirs on the maternal and paternal side. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
Yes! | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
As Dave continues his research into the maternal side, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
he uncovers a sad and unusual story. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
What is really interesting is that two of the deceased's maternal | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
uncles, who were both in the RAF during the war, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
were both shot down on the same day. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Like thousands of other young men, it seems Derek and Brian joined | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
the war effort together in 1939 and both took to the skies with the RAF. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:38 | |
And they were to be effected by an extraordinary coincidence. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
On the night of the 9th of March 1943, the two Barker brothers | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
were both part of Bomber Command's raid on Munich... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
..in separate aircraft in separate squadrons. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Both aircraft were shot down. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
Tragically, Derek died when his plane went down. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Fortunately, Brian survived, but the drama didn't end there. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Bomber Command was very keen to learn from aircrew who had been | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
shot down, and so Brian and his comrades were interviewed | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
when they returned to the UK | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
and we have a record of the information that they gave. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Brian and the rest of the crew had to relive the experience. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Brian said that as they were approaching their target | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
at Munich, the starboard outer engine failed, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
but they were able to continue and drop their bombs and, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
on the return journey, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
as they were trying to get a fix from the stars, um, they had to fly | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
straight and level, which made them quite vulnerable to attack. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
The aircraft was hit by flak and the port outer engine was | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
set on fire, and the crew had to bail out near Mons in Belgium. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
Brian eventually made it back to the UK, where he married and had a son | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
who is one of five cousins the team have found on the maternal side. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
All of these are heirs to the estate. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
One of them, Roger, lives in Cambridge, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and travelling researcher Ewart is already en route to see him | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
in the hope of getting him signed up. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
It's half past four now, and he's got to go to work by five o'clock, so... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
I'll have to be really quick. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
But it's not that straightforward. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
I first need to find where Mr Barker lives, cos I'm here now, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
but I can't seem to find the block of flats. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
After a quick look around, he can't find the address, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
so gives Roger a call. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
I'm actually here now. I'm actually right opposite the village stores. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
OK. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
-Um... -Right, OK... -Where are you? -..I'll come out and find you. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
OK, all right. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
I'm just beside the green, beside the funfair. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Ewart may be on the phone to Roger, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
but the competition is still causing the team a headache. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
-Yeah, OK. -A rival company has called Roger on his landline. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
Yeah, possibly, but I don't get back until ten. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
-That's another company, isn't it? -Not a good time. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
So, with competition hot on his heels, Ewart needs to act fast. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-OK, we're in business, so... -Yep. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
-So, I don't want to make you late, Mr Barker. -It's OK. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
And get Roger's signature on the dotted line. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
-Just to explain... -Hmm. -..what I'm here to do. -Hmm. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
Uh, is run through a questionnaire with you, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
-just to confirm who you are. -Yeah. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
We are running out of time, so I want to do this really, really quick. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
-Yeah. -Take a seat. -Sorry! -Make yourself comfortable. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
OK. Um... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
-Occupation? -Huh? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
How do I put this...? | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
I did...I was a travel agent for many years, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
but now I do about three different jobs. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
After checking some details, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
Ewart confirms that Roger is indeed an heir and will inherit | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
a share of an estate estimated to be worth at least £300,000... | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
Your father's full name... | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
..and, fortunately for Ewart and the team in the office, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Roger's happy to sign an agreement, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
and has agreed a percentage with the company for acting | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
on his behalf in claiming his inheritance. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
-OK. -I'll give you a call on Friday. -Thanks. -Bye-bye. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
Although Roger did meet Michael a few times, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
he hadn't seen his cousin for many years. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
I, together with other members of the family, were trying to get in | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
touch with him and wondered why all our communications came back to us. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
With his job done, Ewart can now ring the office with the good news. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
-He signed, Mr Barker. -Oh, well done. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
There's three other stems and we're the first to make contact with them. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
-Great stuff, great stuff. -Yes, it's a result. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
All right, mate, I appreciate that and I'll speak to you tomorrow. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Cheers, Dave, all the best. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Take care now. Bye-bye. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
After a hard day's research with much of the office | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
working on this one case, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
the team think they now have found all the heirs, 22 in total. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
Although some of the heirs have been contacted by rival companies, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
the firm are confident that most will sign with them. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Job's done. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
But the team's work doesn't end there. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Heir hunters often help to administer | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
an estate on behalf of the heirs | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
and a vital part of that process is visiting the property to | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
double-check a will hadn't been made. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
If a will is found, all their efforts could be for nothing. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Around four weeks' later, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
company partner Andrew Fraser goes to Michael's house. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Stepping into the world of Michael Dodsworth | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
gives the heir hunters a better insight into who he was. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
So, I expect this must be Michael himself. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
We've got another picture over here as well. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
And he appeared to have been a very religious man. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
We've got a number of pictures of him with the ministers in the church. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
I've got a number of Bibles. We've got a Spanish one. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
They're all interesting and it shows that his language skills have | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
developed from a young age and he's gone on to use them all. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Michael's 60th birthday party from 2005. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
He's play the piano and... | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
looks like he's had an enjoyable time. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
These are very nice family pictures | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
and it really shows the person who we're dealing with now. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
As no will is found, the team's research stands and Roger, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
along with 21 other people, will share the estate, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
now thought to be worth well over £300,000. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
But, for Roger, the true legacy is the memory of his cousin Michael. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
It's certainly quite sad to know that he's gone. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
And, also, it sort of brings back memories of him, really. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
In Liverpool, heir hunter Saul Marks from Celtic Research was | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
hard at work on the case of Lewis Eskenazi. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
Lewis had died nearly 30 years ago, leaving an £18,000 estate unclaimed. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
This was a case that had stumped many heir hunting companies | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
when it was first looked at over ten years ago, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
but then, expert in Jewish genealogy Saul Marks | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
took on the case and made a breakthrough. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
He had found a whole branch of Lewis' family | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
with potential cousins who would be heirs to his estate. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Hi, my name is Saul Marks. I work for a company... | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
'But, when he contacted the first of these cousins' | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
he got a surprise. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
As far as this lady knew, she... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
..had no first cousins. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:12 | |
And yet, I knew that there were four other branches of | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
the Kantrowiz family out there waiting to be found. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Saul then turned his attention to the other four children born | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
to Lewis' aunt Isabella, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
but it was proving tricky to track the Kantrowiz family down, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
especially Harry. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Harry Kantrowiz didn't appear to be alive, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
but the lack of a death listing was a real problem. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
The deceased's date of birth would have been on the birth certificate, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
and Saul needed this to be able to start the investigation. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
We ordered his birth certificate. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
I then did a search for anyone of a first name Harry with any surname | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
using his exact date of birth, and there was one that popped out... | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
Harry Kanter. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
So, Harry Kantrowiz was now Harry Kanter. Why had he changed his name? | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
Jewish migrants coming over to Britain in the late 19th century | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
and early 20th century, often changed their names once they got here, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
and that was for a variety of reasons. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Once reason might be that British officials | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
writing down their names may have got the spelling wrong | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
and they may have just then adopted the new spelling, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
but probably the main reason is that they wanted to fit in, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
and often they experienced prejudice as Jewish people... | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
and, for that reason, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
they would have anglicized their names or completely changed them. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
After such a significant breakthrough, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Saul quickly tracked down Harry's son, Michael. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Could he be the key to unlocking the gates to the rest | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
of the of the Kantrowiz family? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
This was very exciting because, obviously, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Bertha's daughter hadn't been able to tell me anything about | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
the family or put me in touch with any cousins cos she hadn't known any. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
So, I spoke to Michael. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
He said to me, "My father didn't talk at all about his family | 0:34:01 | 0:34:08 | |
"and I wasn't aware he had any brothers and sisters." | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
So, this was exactly the same situation. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Saul realised that finding the rest of the heirs | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
was going to be a tough job. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
My heart sank at this point because I really hoped that one person would | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
be able to tell us where all the other cousins were. Um... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
I really realised there were going to be shortcuts on this | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
case at all and these five branches I was going to have to | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
work as five different families with no help from one branch to the next. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
Saul persevered and focused his attention now on Theodore | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
and it wasn't long before Saul discovered | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
he had also changed his surname from Kantrowiz to Keene. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
This then enabled him to quickly track down a contact number | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
for their eldest child, Peter. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
Peter was able to confirm for me that the name had been Kantrowiz and this | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
was the family which I was looking for, which was a great relief. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Um...he explained that his father knew that he was Jewish, um, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:11 | |
but was very reluctant to speak about it | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
and really wanted that part of his heritage hidden. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
So, um, so, this was a real revelation to him, to find out | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
that Lewis Eskenazi was a cousin of his father through | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
the Jewish side of the family. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Um, and he really took a great interest in that. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Even though Peter grew up in the heart of the Jewish community | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
in East London, it wasn't until he was in his 60s that | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
Peter discovered that he was actually part of that culture. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
My father never told me why he changed the name. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
He made some excuse about the war and people calling him | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
the man with the funny name and, um, shouting very loudly at him | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
because it was a very Polish name. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
And he said that he and his brother had decided that | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
they would change the name. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
And so, that's what I was told, but he swore me to secrecy. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:10 | |
So, with a new identity came a whole new family that he didn't | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
know about, including his late cousin, Lewis Eskenazi. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
I had no idea who this chap was, um, and what I think is sad | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
is that he lived not a stone's throw from where I lived. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
He lived in Hackney and I was just a couple of miles away in Shoreditch. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
He appears to have died on his own. He didn't marry. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
We've visited his grave and nobody has been there | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
because there are no stones on his gravestone. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
I'm very sad about his death | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
and his loneliness to be honest. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
Lewis' story has away in clearly had an impact on Peter | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
and sparked a need for him to know more about his Jewish roots. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
He's come to meet Maurice Bittern at the UK's oldest synagogue | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
where Lewis' parents married. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Is this the nearest surviving synagogue to the | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
sort of Hackney area? | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
Yes, it would have been the only one, actually. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
And most of the Jews who came to London in the 19th century were | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
from Russian and German origin and they would have all been Ashkenazi. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
So, the majority of the synagogues in this area and in Hackney | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
and Dalston and Stoke Newington and that sort of area, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
all would have been Ashkenazi. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
-I wonder if my family are Ashkenazis or not. -Well... | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
My great-grandfather | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
and my great-great-grandfather were buried in Edmonton Jewish Cemetery... | 0:37:47 | 0:37:53 | |
-Ah. -..which I visited last week. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
Well, then he would definitely have been an Ashkenazi Jew | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
-because Edmonton Cemetery is Ashkenazi. -Oh, right! | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
So, that answers that question. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
So, I was right in my guess that they're Ashkenazis. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
They are Ashkenazi or were Ashkenazi. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
Peter is now on a path to discovering more | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
about his Jewish ancestry. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
He had begun looking into his family tree a few years ago, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
but kept hitting brick walls. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
However, the little information he did have was extremely useful | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
for Saul to track down the other cousins of Lewis. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
One of them is Moira Wingate who, like Peter, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
knew very little about her ancestors. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
I didn't know anything about my mother's siblings | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
other than their names. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
Moira did know about her Jewish roots, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
but it was made clear to her that this had to be kept a family secret. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
My mother used to talk about the Jewish religion. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
She used to try and teach us... | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
that was often out of earshot of my father. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Um, and we were told very strongly not to advertise to friends or | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
school friends that, um... | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
we come from a Jewish mother. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
Moira and her husband, Michael, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
have gone back through family records to try and learn more, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
but there is a big question that remains unanswered. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
Why did Lewis' aunt's children all become estranged? | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
In total, Saul found 18 cousins through this side of the family | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
and, since finding out they were heirs, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
the cousins have agreed to meet up for the very first time to see | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
if they can shed some light on this mystery. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
I'm absolutely delighted and I can't wait to meet them, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
because it's part of my heritage and they're part of the same family. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
OK, right, not now, but two or three generations back, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
we shared the same ancestors, and it means a great deal to me | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
and I'm so excited and I can't wait, really. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
A few weeks later, it's the day of the reunion. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
-Moira is on her way to the venue. -The journey, although | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
it's not very far, feels a bit like waiting for a kettle to boil. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
It feels a long way away even though it's only about an hour or so. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
She's the first to arrive. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
And waits nervously to meet the cousins she never knew existed. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
Michael is the next to arrive. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
You don't have to come up and ask me, it is. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
-I'm Moira. -Hi, I'm Mike. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Mike, I'm just trying my hardest to see | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
if I can see a family resemblance. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
-It's exciting, isn't it? -Yeah, it is a bit, yeah. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
-Hi. -Hi. -Sisters Maureen and Lorraine then join the group. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
We've brought the family tree because I can't remember who's who. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
-No, no... -And I'm going to really struggle with it as well. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
To see how these four cousins are all connected, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
the family tree helps them piece their puzzle together. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-So, which are you? -So, we're...that's... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
-That's me. -So, you're the daughter of Maurice. -Maurice was our dad. -Yes. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:06 | |
So, what relation are you to my dad then? | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
It's clearly all rather confusing... | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
-Sorry, say that again. -I keep listening, I keep just... | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
..but very exciting. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Yeah, yes, it's been amazing, actually. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
I've got the family tree that goes back to 1786. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-Oh, have you? -I brought it for you. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
It's nice to know that we're not the only relatives left | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
because we've just recently lost our mum, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
so, to know that there are other sort of, you know, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
family members out there that we didn't know about is really nice. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
Oh, that's my mum and dad, isn't it? | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Have a look cos I don't know how far apart that is. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Basically, we're half-Jewish and we didn't know... | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
about that at all. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
-Peter then arrives. -Hello. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-I'm Moira. -Moira. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
-Hello. -And you look like grandad. -Oh, thank you. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
-Oh, you must be Mike. -Yeah, pleased to meet you. -How do you do? | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
I think we've lost maybe 40, 50 years of... | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
you know, family things that have gone on. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
They even manage to get Peter's brother | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Steven on the phone in Canada. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
You've got a lovely Canadian accent. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
What sort of dog have you got? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
He's like the rest of the Keene family. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
He's a mongrel. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
It looks just like you, Steven. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
A family reunited beginning to create their own memories. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
The big question which is never answered is why the siblings | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
became estranged, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:34 | |
leaving these cousins having no knowledge of a wider family. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
This mystery has died with the aunts and uncles, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
but their children see a different future. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
I'm sure the bonding will grow with time. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
It's just unbelievable that nobody knew of each other | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
for all these years. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
'Unfortunately, the downside is, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
'and I think the same is for Mike as well, it hasn't answered | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
'my question, which is, "Why did my father change his name?"' | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
So, it's still an unsolved question. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 |