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Every year, thousands of people die with no close family | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
and without making a will. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
If no relatives come forward, their money will go to the government | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
and that's where the Heir Hunters come in. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
They married in December, 1927 in Fulham. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
They're experts in tracking down long-lost family members | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
who have no idea they're in line to inherit. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We believe, sir, that you will be entitled to a share | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
in your cousin's estate. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
It's a competitive industry, often with thousands of pounds at stake. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
At the moment, we're fighting quite a big battle with lots of heirs, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
lots of competition. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
But their work also uncovers hidden histories... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Basically, we're half Jewish and we didn't know. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
..and can often reunite long-lost relatives | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
and bring families closer together. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
To try and build up a picture in your mind of really how they lived | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
and what they did. It's really interesting. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Above all, it's about giving people news of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
I, sort of, just froze. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Unbelievable! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Coming up... The heir hunters get a confusing tip-off... | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
I'm not 100% sure the half-sister comes from the mother or the father. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
..and one search uncovers the remarkable story of a family's | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
link to Britain's waterways. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Some of them stayed here and lived here | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
and then started to produce a dynasty of people who worked the river. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Late afternoon in the central London offices of Fraser & Fraser | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
and the team are sorting through a new list of unclaimed estates | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
that has just come in from the Treasury's Bona Vacantia department. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Want another? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
That's down to Ben. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
How many have we got? Five each? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Coming at the end of an already hectic day, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
the team are totally stretched to their limits. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
There's so much work, it's ridiculous. It's just... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
There are about 30 cases that appear to have come up, so... | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
And, as the long list is divided up, case manager Gareth Langford | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
gets straight to work, with the first name he is given. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Mavis Botham. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
We don't know anything about her at the moment, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
apart from, she was born in 1922 and passed away in April, 2013. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:34 | |
Aged 90, Mavis Botham died in Nottinghamshire. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Despite living in the area for years, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
it seems neighbours saw little of her. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
I've lived next door to Mavis for about 15 years. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
She loved cats. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
She really did love cats, but I didn't know that much about her. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
Although Mavis was a private person, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Glendys Hughes still remembers her fondly. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
She was always in a wheelchair so she never came out on her own, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
if you know what I mean? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
So, it would be on the street, talking. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I used to like to talk to her when I got the chance. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
With very little information to go on, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
the team start by finding her address and then it's up | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
to Gareth to work out whether her estate has any value. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
What we are trying to establish now | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
is whether the deceased owned her property or not. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
That is the best starting point, really, because, obviously, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
if the deceased did own the property, then we work it. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
Heir hunters work on a commission basis, earning money by taking | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
a percentage of the estate, which is agreed with any heirs they find. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
When an estate appears on the Treasury's list, the heir hunters | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
have no idea of its value, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
which means that finding out whether there is any property involved | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
is always their first priority. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
If we can find that the deceased owned property, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
we know we are dealing with a valuable case. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
We know we're dealing with a case that should be worth | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
at least £20,000, which is our minimum cut-off. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
To add even more pressure to the team, they know that | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
any number of rival heir-hunting firms could be working the case. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Whatever the value of Mavis's estate may be, if a rival firm reaches | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
and signs up the heirs first, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
Gareth and the team won't make a single penny. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
He wastes no time and gets researcher Dan to start looking | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
to see if Mavis had any husband, children or brothers and sisters | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
who could inherit. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
I'm trying to identify the deceased's birth at the moment. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
I think I have in Shardlow district. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
So, it looks like she's a spinster. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Dan's research suggests that Mary had no close family. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
-Spinster, only child. -She was a spinster? | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
Only child? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
But Gareth isn't convinced just yet. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
-I think she's been married and divorced. -Then gone back? -Yeah. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Reverted back to her maiden name. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I think you might possibly be right, mate. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Married in Ilkeston. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
It turns out that Gareth's hunch was, in fact, right. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Mavis married Polish man Joseph Menkavitch in Ilkeston | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
two years before the end of the Second World War. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Together the couple had one daughter, a little girl called Christine | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
who was born in 1946, but who tragically died the same year. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
Shortly afterwards, Mavis and Joseph divorced | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
and Mavis went back to using her maiden name. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
As Mavis was divorced and had no living children | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
nor any siblings that the team have found, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
the next job is to look for aunts, uncles and cousins of hers. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
But this means more research and the investment of more time | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
and resources. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
It is a bold move to make on a case where the value is unknown. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
But these are the kind of risks that company boss Neil | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
must weigh up every day. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
We're dealing with a relatively small estate, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
maybe £15,000-£20,000 and we suddenly start getting hundreds | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
and hundreds of cousins, then we've got a problem. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
It may be that we have to drop the case. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
So, we have to really be careful to evaluate and make sure we're not | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
just throwing money out of the window to solve a case. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
Using the address that they found for her, Gareth decides to | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
contact some of Mavis's neighbours, to see if they know anything | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
that could help determine at this early stage | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
whether the case is worth working. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
I don't know if these numbers ever work. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
Good afternoon. I hope you can help me. My name is Gareth Langford. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
I'm making enquiries about a former neighbour of yours. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
It turns out that the neighbour might have a few leads | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
on Mavis's family, but before he can follow any of them up, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
Gareth needs to know if her estate has any value. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
OK. So, when did she sell the bungalow? Was that...? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
That was about 20 years ago. And, what happened to Mr Start? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
He's still there. Right. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Well, slightly, erm... Confusing. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
It would appear that Mavis did, own a property some years ago, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
20 years ago, that was sold for approximately £40,000. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
Gareth has discovered that Mavis sold her own home to move in | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
with long-term partner James Start and lived with him | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
until she passed away. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
However, as the couple never married | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
and Mavis died without leaving a will, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
James is not entitled to her estate. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
If any family can be found, they will be the ones to inherit. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
The big question is, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
does she have any funds left or was that money used, you know..? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
Apparently, they did up the property at number 21, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
so there may not be any finances left. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Gareth's first priority, before following up any further leads | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
from the phone call, is to resolve this issue. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
We need to talk to this Mr Start. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
James Start. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
Dan searches for contact details for Mavis's partner, James | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
and has no luck. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Ideally, what we want to do is to speak to Mr Start, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
because he will know all the information that we need. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
Unfortunately, he's not on the phone. Erm... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
It would be a question of trying to get somebody around to see him. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
The work of the heir hunters involves a huge team and encompasses | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
a variety of roles, as well as researchers | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
and case managers based in the office, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
the company has an army of travelling researchers on the road. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
Their job is to collect documents, make enquiries and, crucially, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
sign up heirs. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
I like the journeys across the country. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
You see different parts of the country. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
That's one of the enjoyable parts of the job. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Once you've made contact with the family, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
that's when all the stories come out, you know. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
I love that side of it. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
To find out whether the case has any value, Gareth needs to send | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
one of these travelling researchers round to see Mr Start. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
The drive is 64 miles... What about Ewart? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
Unfortunately, the whole team, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
including the guys out on the road, are stretched to the limits | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
working the long list of cases that have come in. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
So, unless there's someone nearby, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
it looks unlikely that James will get a visit today. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
I was wondering where you are currently? | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
Tomorrow, I was thinking. Tomorrow morning. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
It's late in the day and as the travelling researcher can't make it | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
to visit Mr Start in time, a meeting is arranged for the morning. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
Half eight. Lovely. Thank you very much. Cheers. Bye. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
But there is still more work to be getting on with. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Now that Gareth's done all he can to establish the value of the estate, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
he and Dan set about investigating | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
the other possible leads the neighbour has given them. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
We've got information that there's a possible sister. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
So, just checking to see if there's maybe been a transcription error. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
While their initial research showed that Mavis was an only child, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
it seems there is a chance she might have had a sister. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Put in different variants and see whether we get an answer, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
but I can't find any at the moment. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
With only an online record of Mavis's birth to work with, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
the team are getting nowhere. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
We found the birth record. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
What we haven't found is the parents' marriage | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
so we need certificates to help us with that information. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
And when it comes to ordering them, there is no time to waste. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
We have a cut-off point of four o'clock | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
and we probably have 20 seconds, I would have thought. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
Go, go! | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Go on, you can do it. No pressure! Just type faster! | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
Go on. Don't make any mistakes, whatever you do! | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-Get it in? -Yeah. -Yes! | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
With the research well and truly under way, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
will some new information below the case wide open? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
If all of these potential children from marriage are correct, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
we're going to have an awful lot of heirs to trace. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
While some heir hunts are relatively straightforward, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
others can end up as tangled webs, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
with layer upon layer of complications. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Although he didn't realise at the start, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
for case manager Ben Cornish, the search for heirs to the estate | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
of Mary Davies could definitely turn out to be on the trickier side. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
We first got the case of Mary Davies in late 2011. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
It was released on the Bona Vacantia website. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
We know that it had value | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
and enquiries confirmed that the estate was worth about £28,000. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
Mary Davies died on 26 March, 2011 in West Bromwich. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:05 | |
Robert was her carer at the nursing home | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
where she spent her final years and remembers her fondly. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Mary was quite a friendly person and | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
she was quite open with everyone. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
And Mary was quite good with the rest of the residents. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
She was socialising with the rest of the residents. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
And she was somebody who loved company. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
She was such a lovely person to be around with, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
because she used to talk about all sorts of things. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
So, she will be missed, in that sense. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
Although Mary loved to chat about anything and everything, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
it seems there was one subject particularly close to her heart. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
She was a person who loved to talk about her life history, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
her family, and she was quite proud of how she looked at her family. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:53 | |
To me, she used to say her husband was not a physically-fit man. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
He was a man who she used to look after. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
But she didn't regret marrying this gentleman, because she loved him. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
When Ben and the team began their search for heirs | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
to Mary's £28,000 estate, they had very little information to go on. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
We were just given the deceased's full name, date of death | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
and the place of death. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
So, we thought the best thing to do was to order the death certificate, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
in the hope it had more information. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
When the certificate arrived, it wasn't very helpful. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
As a place of birth, it just gave England and it did state that she | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
was a widow, but didn't list her husband's name or her maiden name. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
Without a maiden name, the heir hunters couldn't check to see | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
whether Mary had any children who could inherit or begin | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
to build up any kind of picture of the family tree. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
So, it was time to hit the phone. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
The deceased's last-known address was a nursing home. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
We made some enquiries there and they informed us | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
that she was once married to a Charles Davies. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
We found the marriage record, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
and realised that her maiden name was Mary Harris | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
and Harris is one of the most common names in England and Wales | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
and it can be a complete nightmare to research. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
The surname Harris is generally considered to mean "son of Harry" | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
and early records suggest that the name Harris | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
and Harrison were used interchangeably by some families. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
There are over 160,000 Harrises currently living in the UK. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
When Mary Harris married Charles Davies in July, 1965, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
she was 43 and he was 42 years old. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
From the marriage, we found no children being born | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
and we knew that she hadn't been married previously, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
because she was the listed as being a spinster | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
on the marriage certificate. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Once we've established there's no children of the deceased, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
we look for any siblings that she may've had | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
and we, first of all, look for her parents' marriage, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
as a point from where to check. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
With a little bit more digging, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Ben discovered that Mary was born in Droitwich, Worcestershire in 1922 | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
to Mary and Frederick Harris. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
At the time of her birth, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Mary's father Frederick was working as a country policeman | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
in the local area, a job that would have been very varied. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
A county police officer | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
in the morning, could be dealing with diseases of animals, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
in the afternoon, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
he could be dealing with a factory accident. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
As a bobby on the beat in the early 1900s, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Frederick would have had very limited resources at his disposal. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
A helmet, a truncheon, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
and a pair of handcuffs. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
His hat would be very, very simple. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
Very basic. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
Made of cardboard. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Absolutely no strength in it, whatsoever. Purely there for show. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
And at a time when telephones and radios were few and far between, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
policing was a rather different business. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
The biggest requirement was being able to talk to people. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
If we remember that there are not many policeman around - | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
maybe half a dozen, at the very most - | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
and their only form of transport is a bicycle, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
then he's not going to be in range to use a whistle, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
so the only way he can preserve the peace or break up a fight | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
is - number one - rely on other members of the public | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
to assist them, or - number two - | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
use his mouth to try and prevent disturbance in first place. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
But while talking to people was essential, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
there were also rules and regulations, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
ensuring policeman like Frederick didn't chat too much. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
He had a set beat to walk a particular street | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
and, in some cases, a particular side of the street. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
So if he walked to the other side of the road | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
to talk to another policeman on the other beat, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
the sergeant could discipline him | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
for wasting police time and gossiping. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
The fact that they'd be exchanging information is immaterial. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
On the trail of Mary's descendants, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
Ben and the team had no time for dawdling, either. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Having found Mary's birth certificate, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
they now needed to search for a record of her parents' marriage. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
When they found it, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
they discovered that Mary's mother's maiden name was also Harris. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
We had a Harris marrying a Harris, which makes it | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
doubly difficult. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
Having one Harris to research is difficult enough, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
but we've got both the paternal and the maternal families, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
which makes it extraordinarily difficult. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
The team's only hope of saving themselves | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
the headache of researching two Harris families, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
lay in finding brothers and sisters of Mary. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
We found one sibling of the deceased, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
a brother called Frederick, born in 1921 in Droitwich. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
As it turned out, Mary's parents Frederick and Mary, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
called both their son and their daughter after themselves. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
But as Mary's brother Frederick had passed away, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
any children of his would be next in line to inherit. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
When we found his death record, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
we did a bit more tracing backwards through addresses | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
and we found out that he was married. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Our research suggested that they didn't have any children, therefore | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
the deceased didn't have any nieces or nephews. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
With the possibility of nieces and nephews ruled out | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
the team needed to look to the wider family | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
on both Mary's mother and her father's side. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Only by tracking down aunts and uncles and cousins, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
did they now stand any chance of finding heirs. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
So it was time to take on the double-Harris challenge! | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
But as they delved deeper and deeper into the tangled web | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
of Harris families, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
would they ever be able to track the right heirs down? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
And they all intermingled. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
They not only married each other, but they worked for each other. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
They were very much a tight-knit community | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
and they lived pretty well in the same street. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
but not all cases can be cracked. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
There are thousands of estates on the Treasury's bona vacantia list | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
that have eluded the heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
There are actually two bona vacantia | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
unclaimed estates list. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
One list is our current list of advertised estates. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
That's updated daily. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
And there is also an historic unclaimed list, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
that's cases that have been referred to us between 1997 and 2013, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
which have been dealt with by the Treasury Solicitor, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
but we're still looking for kin to come forward and claim. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Today, we're focusing on two cases | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
that are yet to be solved by the heir hunters. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Could you be about to inherit some money from a long-lost relative? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
First is the case of Paula Barnby who died on 6th December, 1998 | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
in Grasmere, Cumbria. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Paula is believed to have died a widow, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
and while she passed away in Cumbria, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
it appears she was actually born in Cologne, Germany, in 1908. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Her maiden name was Wieben. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Did you know Paula? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
Do you have any idea when and why she moved from Germany to the UK? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
Perhaps you have some clue that could help trace family | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
at home or abroad, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
and find the rightful beneficiaries to her estate. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
Next, can you shed any light on the case of Joyce Rosemary Wrigley, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
who died on 19th March 2012 | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
in Kingston-upon-Thames? | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
She was born Joyce Pallant | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
in Teddington in 1928. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Joyce married David Paul Wrigley | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
in May 1967 | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
in Walton-on-Thames, Surrey. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
But records reveal David died in 2003, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
nine years before Joyce, and so far no other family have been traced. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
Both Paul and Joyce's estates remain unclaimed, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
and if no-one comes forward, their money will go to the government. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
The public can get in touch with us | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
in writing either by e-mail or | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
post, or on the phone. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
And that's how we will get in touch with them, as well. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Do you have any clues that could help solve the cases | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
of Paula Barnby or Joyce Rosemary Wrigley. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
Day two in the case of Mavis Botham | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
and Gareth Langford and the team are picking up where they left off. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
So far they've discovered that while Mavis had been previously married | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
and had one daughter who died in infancy, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
many years after her divorce she met and fell in love with James Start. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
After meeting in 1969, the couple spent 40 years together, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
and often enjoyed trips to the seaside and a spot of bingo. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
It turns out that the way in which their paths first crossed | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
was a rather unique one. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
She worked at Chilwell Depot with Jim, and that's how they met. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
Painting tanks, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
which I thought was rather romantic, in a funny, sort of, way, you know. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
Chilwell, on the outskirts of Nottingham, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
was the largest army supplies depot in the world, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and was built on a site that had, for decades, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
been playing a vital role in British military history. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
During the First World War, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
Chilwell with the site for the national shell-filling factory. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
Between 1916 and 1918, the factory produced over 19 million shells. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:46 | |
To give you an idea of how significant that was | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
in the production of ordinance for the British Army during that time, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
practically every shell that was fired during the Battle of the Somme | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
had its explosives filled Chilwell. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
By the time Mavis started working there, during the Second World War, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
the site had become the central ordinance depot and workshop, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
responsible for issuing weapons and vehicles to the British Army. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
Chilwell was an extremely important part of the supply of logistics | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
to the British Army during both the Second World War | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
and during the Cold War, as well. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
During that time, British Army vehicles were equipped and supplied | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
from Chilwell. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
Without the role of the Chilwell garrison during the Second World War | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
and during the Cold War, the British Army | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
would have been unable to function properly around the world. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Up until its closure in 1982, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Chilwell continued to be a vital source of military supplies. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Many of its employees were locals, like Mavis and James, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
who would've enjoyed a vibrant working atmosphere. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
Chilwell enjoyed quite a lot of facilities a small town would enjoy. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
There were two churches, social club, sports club... | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
So, in a way, especially with people coming from the immediate local area | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
there was almost a community within a community at Chilwell. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
After a meeting with Mavis's partner James Start this morning, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
a travelling researcher has just called Gareth to fill him in. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
He was able to confirm that Mavis sold | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
a property in early 2002 or 2003. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
I don't think it's going to be a huge estate, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
but it's definitely something. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
This means that all the work they put in the case yesterday | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
has not been in vain. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
And the good news doesn't stop there, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
as Mr Start has been able to shed a little bit more light | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
on the possible sister that the team have been struggling to find. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
Generally, what we're seeing is, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Mavis was likely to have been an only child from her | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
parents' marriage, but probably had a half-sister. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
Using the certificates ordered yesterday, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Gareth and Dan have managed to establish that Mavis's parents | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
were Caroline and William Botham. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Whilst together, they didn't have any other children, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
information gleaned from Mr Start suggests that one or other of them | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
had a daughter called Winifred from a previous marriage, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
and it seems Gareth is going to have to try to track her down on his own. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
Everybody's a bit busy today, so I'm going to have a quick look myself. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
See if I can get it started, then pass it on to someone else. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
I am not 100% sure | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
if the halfsister comes from the mother or father. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
The mother is the deceased. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
Caroline Wickes was previously married, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
but I can't find any obvious issue of that marriage. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
So now I am looking at the father. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
It's tough going. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
But tracking down this half-sister is the key to finding heirs | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
to Mavis's estate, as she would be next in line to inherit, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
according to the 1925 Administration Of Estate's Act. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
The order of entitlements is it goes to the spouse, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
then the children, then the parents, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
brothers and sisters or their children. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
It then comes into the half-blood brothers, sisters, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
or their children. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
Before we then go to cousins. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
After cousins, we go to the half-blood cousins. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
Sadly, it looks back Gareth is not getting anywhere | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
looking for Mavis's half-sister, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
based on the information that Mr Start has given him. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Sometimes you can have too much information. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Because now I'm going to spend all my time looking | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
for the half-sister Winifred, or Winnie, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
erm, whereas, you know, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
possibly what I should be doing | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
is just working the case with no information. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
With everyone else in the office flat-out, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Gareth soldiers on alone and finally makes a breakthrough. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
So, Winnie, erm... I've actually just found her birth record. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
She's not Winifred, she's Dorothy. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
Dorothy W, though, so it's bound to be Dorothy Winifred. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
I've got a date to play with, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
a proper name to play with. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Erm...so we know she actually does exist. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
It turns out that, prior to having Mavis, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Caroline was married before, to James Hemsley | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
and that she had one daughter - Dorothy. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Got a marriage for her. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Dorothy married John Martin in 1932 in Shardlow | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and passed away in 1977. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
So if Gareth can track down any children of hers, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
these half-nephews and nieces of Mavis's | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
could be just the heirs he's after. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
They've certainly had two kids in Shardlow, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
then there's further children in Batsford. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
And then, possibly, Ilkeston. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Derby. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
And if all of these potential children to marriage are correct... | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Although it's a near-kin case, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
we're going to have an awful lot of heirs to trace. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
With so many potential heirs to track down, the pressure is on. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
It's a race against the clock, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
as the team have no idea if the competition | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
have picked up the case, too. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
And Gareth's job is getting harder by the minute. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
We're seeing if we can get any addresses | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
for any of the potential heirs, but I'm struggling with the surname. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
And, unfortunately, we've gone from really, really good names, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
to a slightly more common name. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Whereas Dorothy's maiden name was Hemsley, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
which is very unusual, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
when she married John Martin all of that changed. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
As a result, there are a lot of potential births | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
from the marriage to check. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
Unfortunately, there are two births in the same area | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
of a James P Martin and I can't tell whether this one is my one | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
or the other birth. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
And there are two marriages in the area. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
I can't tell which one's which. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
But Gareth refuses to give up, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
and it's not long before he makes a breakthrough. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
He manages to trace five potential heirs | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
born to Mavis's half-sister Dorothy and John Martin. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
One daughter of theirs, also called Dorothy, passed away in 2004, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
meaning her two children are now heirs to Mavis's estate. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
It's now a couple of weeks since Jason, Mavis' half great nephew, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
discovered he was an heir. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
I never knew Mavis. According to my sister | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
she did stop at our house in 1967, but I wasn't born until '69, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
so I never met her. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
And when he was contacted by the Heir Hunters, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
news of a mystery inheritance seemed too good to be true. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
I got a letter through the door which I thought was a circular, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:36 | |
so I was going to automatically throw it in the bin, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
but I spoke to my sister and she said that she had one | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
and fill it out and see what happens. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
It's a bit of a shock to the system, to be honest, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
cos I wouldn't know how much I'm going to get. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
So, I'll probably have a week's holiday somewhere, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
treat me and me missus to a holiday. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
But while any inheritance will, of course, come in handy, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Jason still has some regrets. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
I didn't know whether Mavis lived on her own or she's got a partner | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
or anything, I mean, she was 96, I got told. I've never met her. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
Otherwise, I'd have gone round and visited her. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
In the office, the research on Mavis' estate | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
is long since completed and, in total, there are nine heirs | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
all of whom are half-blood relatives of hers. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Complicated research, complicated family. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Hopefully, it's got some value. Got my fingers crossed. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
And early indications suggest that Mavis's estate | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
may be bigger than they'd originally thought, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
perhaps even as much as £60,000. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
For Gareth and the team, it's looking like their time | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
and effort is going to pay off. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
In the search for heirs to the £28,000 estate of Mary Davies, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
case manager Ben Cornish and the team | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
were about to take on the double challenge of tracing two families, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
both of whom shared one of the most common surnames in the UK. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
The deceased parents were Frederick Harris and Mary Ann Harris, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
and the deceased mother's maiden name was also Harris, which added | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
more complexity to the situation. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
As Mary's only brother had passed away leaving no children, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
the team were now looking for aunts and uncles and cousins | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
and they began with her father's side. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
We know that the deceased father Frederick Harris, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
from his marriage certificate, his father was a guy called James Harris. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
James Harris married Ellen Fisher and had six children. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
This meant that Mary had five paternal aunts and uncles... | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
..whose descendants the team needed to find. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
For Ben, who faced the daunting challenge of tracing generations of | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
Harrises along all these lines, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
the unusual name of Mary's aunt Minnerena was a golden opportunity. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
When we come across a name like Minnerena, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
we do look at it first, simply because there are going to be... | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
You'd be able to see the record pretty easily of who she marries | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
and, hopefully, you can break the Harris stem. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
As it turns out, Minnerena married Walter Baird | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
and went on to have four children. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Of these, only one, Alice, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
had children of her own. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
So, when we looked at the stem of Minnerena, we realised that | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
she was born in 1869, which means we'd probably be looking at her | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
grandchildren or her great-grandchildren | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
as possible beneficiaries of this estate. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
We eventually found a great grandchild of Minnerena, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
who informed us of the family and confirmed we were on the right track. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
This great-grandchild was Mike, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
a paternal cousin twice removed of Mary's and an heir to her estate. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
I was interested | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
because I was following the family tree on my father's side, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
putting little bits and pieces together on my maternal side. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
I'd never heard of Mary, as a relation. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
It only goes back, really, as far as my great-grandmother. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
I knew that she was a Harris, a Minnerena Harris. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
We used to call her Mini. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
I visited her a couple of times. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
I was only about four or five at the time. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
I can basically remember that she was dressed in Victorian clothes, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
in a widow's dress in black, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
all dressed in black, as they all used to do, I believe. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
As an amateur genealogist, the call from the Heir Hunters | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
was very welcome and gave Mike much more than just money. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
You try and build up a picture in your mind and... | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
of really how they lived and what they did | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
and, basically, where you came from, how you've evolved and... | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
It's really interesting. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
And since inheriting from Mary, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Mike's been inspired to keep on digging. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
I'm very interested to know more about her. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
Where she came from, what she did. It's part of the jigsaw, really. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
Getting in touch with Mike was key | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
to cracking Mary's father's side of the tree. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
But Ben still had one more Harris family to trace. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
When we're looking for aunts and uncles that have been born in the | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
late 1800s, we have census returns and other records which help us | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
identify the family. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:33 | |
It was in looking through these census records | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
of Mary's mother's family that he made an unusual discovery. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
The occupations we found throughout the family line were that | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
of being watermen. It's quite prevalent across the board. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
And it transpired that, at the time, watermen were very much | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
in demand in their hometown of Droitwich, Worcestershire. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Throughout the 1800s, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Droitwich was at the centre of a booming salt trade. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Ten miles that way along the canal, there is salt | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
naturally bubbling up in brine springs. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
And a quarter of a mile down there, we have the River Severn | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
and the canal was built to connect in 1771 the salt with the river. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:22 | |
The building of the canal brought with it | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
new employment opportunities. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
But there's been a need for people to actually work the boats | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
in and out of Droitwich and some of these families, the watermen, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
would have come up the River Severn | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
and they would have come from Devon, Cornwall, Bristol, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
some of them stayed here and lived here | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
and then started to produce a dynasty of people who worked the river. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
The Harrises were one such family. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Bargemen and barge owners, or watermen as they were known, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
travelled up and down the canal taking in the coal used to boil | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
the salt and taking out the finished product. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
The salt came out of the boiling pans and was directly transhipped | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
into the holds of, effectively, an open container. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:14 | |
It had a cabin at the front and a cabin at the stern | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
and in-between was an open hold, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
and they literally shovelled the salt into the coal, or the coal out of it, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
depending which end they were at. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
It was hard work, but it could be a lucrative business. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
If you were a family where you owned your own boat, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
you could be quite prosperous. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
There are records of some families, some of the Harris family, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
owning three or four boats | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and each one was capable of earning about £20 a voyage profit. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:47 | |
£20 back then is the equivalent of around £2,000 today, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
meaning the family were earning a very decent living, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
but it was an occupation with some serious risks. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
The River Severn was so dangerous to navigate and the charts | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
were so often out of date, you relied on the father saying, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
"I can smell where we are in the fog. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
"I know where we are. We don't need a chart. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
"I know we moor here for the night." | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
That was the sort of skill that you handed | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
from one generation to the next, so continuity was vital. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
With up to three generations of the family working the boats | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
at the same time, the Harrises had a huge advantage | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
that put them at the top of their game. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
As Ben set to work tracing the many generations of the prestigious | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
Harris watermen, he discovered that Mary's grandparents were | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
Thomas Harris and Maria Harrison and that they had 11 children. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
Of these 11, however, only three went on to have descendants. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
One was Mary's mother and the other two Mary's uncles. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
But as both these uncles married | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
women with the surname Harrison, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Ben had his work cut out. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
We've got Harris marrying Harrises | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
and we've got the Harris marrying Harrisons. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Now, what happens when we're looking for birth records is that | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
any births could be connected to either marriages, so it really does | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
affect the way we do our research and if we're on the right track or not. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Life was becoming increasingly difficult for Ben | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
and it turned out that these added complications | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
all stemmed from the family's work on the water. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
The salt trade required about, at any one time, say 15 to 20 boats | 0:38:27 | 0:38:33 | |
working the salt trade. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
And those boats were managed and owned by a cluster of families | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
and they all intermingled. They not only married each other, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
but they worked for each other. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
So, some could be boat owners and crewing for another family. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
They were all very much a tight-knit community, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
and they lived pretty well in the same street. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Two of these families were the Harrises and the Harrisons. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
And, apparently, the interconnection of the family caused a few | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
complications in their own day, too. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
One of the problems with having five key families is that - | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
and often intermarried - is that you can have a surname which is common | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
to four different generations and because fathers call sons | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
after themselves, you end up with lots of Williams. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
So, if you went into the pub on a Friday night and said, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
"I need William Harris for a voyage tomorrow morning." | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
You'd get half a dozen people standing up. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
That was going to be a disaster, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
so they had nicknames. There was William Harris Duke. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
There was William Harris Thromey. And there was William Harris Scragey. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
Every family had their nicknames and that was the only way you could | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
tell which generation was which and which person you were engaging. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:47 | |
For Ben and the team, sadly nicknames weren't an option. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
But they were slowly able to build up a picture of the family. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
They discovered that Mary's uncle George had seven children | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
with Elizabeth Harrison. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
True to form, he called one of his sons after himself | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
and that George had ten children of his own. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
It was through one of his daughters Annie | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
that Ben found his first maternal heir. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
One of Annie's children Yvonne is a first cousin twice removed | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
of Mary's and, prior to becoming an heir to her estate, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
Mary's name meant nothing to her. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
Didn't have a clue who she was - Mary Davis. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Never heard her spoken about. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
Nobody ever talked about her or anything, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
so didn't know who she was. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
I didn't even know that we had relatives living in Droitwich. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
Which is what? Eight mile up the road, not even that. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
But despite not knowing each other, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
Yvonne and Mary stem from the same family of Harris bargemen. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
I can remember, as a child, going on my uncle George's boat. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:53 | |
And he had four children himself. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
When he used to just moor up, we'd go on the boat and see him | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
and talk to him. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
You couldn't move. So small. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
And I know me mum went on the boats after me dad | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
come back from...the war. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
By that time, the salt industry had declined, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
but Yvonne's family were still flat-out ferrying other commodities. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
The family would carry coal or flour, also. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:30 | |
Rum, chocolate, Cadburys. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
It was very hard work working on the canals, especially for women. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
The men worked, but I think the women had to work even harder | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
because they not only had to look after the children, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
but it was washing, cooking... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
..using the tiller, so they could move along. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
So, extremely hard work, yeah. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
I think me mum stopped after she had me, because I think it was too much. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:05 | |
There weren't enough space for two children under two. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
I wouldn't want to be doing it. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
As it turns out, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
Yvonne is one of a whopping 47 heirs that Ben managed to track down | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
who are entitled to Mary's £28,000 estate. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
But the Harris' ongoing link with the water means that | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
the family could, in fact, be even larger. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
Some of the births aren't registered, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
which means we can't prove their entitlement to this estate, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
we can't prove the link between them and the deceased. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
And this is because they were on the water | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
and couldn't register the births at a particular time or place. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
It might have involved a lot of work, but the family's | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
many complications have resulted in a satisfying search for Ben. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
It's a really interesting case, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:57 | |
because it's the first time I've come across the occupation of watermen. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
And also, it's always good to be kept on your toes on a case where | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
there are a lot of similarities and a lot of work that needs to be done. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 |