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Every year thousands of people die with no known family | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
and without leaving a will. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
Nobody knew very much about him. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
He was one of these guys, he seemed to keep himself very much to himself. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
If no relatives come forward, their money will go to the Government. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
And that's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
Hello, Mal. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
They are experts in tracing long lost family members | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
who are entitled to part of an estate. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
It came as a bolt out of the blue, really. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Their work involves detailed research. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Because you're in a competitive process there is a time constraint. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
And there are often thousands of pounds at stake. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
We've since discovered that the pearls found in Marion's house | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
actually belonged to the Duchess of Windsor. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
But it's also about reuniting families | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
and bringing people closer together. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
I didn't know what I know now about my own family. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
Above all, it's about giving people news of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Coming up, the heir hunters take on a huge gamble. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
We've really got to establish | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
whether this case is worth looking at financially. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
And the tale of one family driven apart by war is revealed. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Suddenly our whole world was completely shattered. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Plus, have you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Tuesday afternoon in central London, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
and the team at heir hunting firm Fraser and Fraser | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
are hard at work on a new case that has just come out. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
I've got the late Doris Stout. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
I'm wondering if I could speak to someone who may have dealt | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
with her affairs or knew the lady? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Thank you, bye-bye. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
We've picked up a case or a potential case of Doris Stout. Erm... | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
Now, it looks like she was possibly in a nursing home, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
although maybe her property was sold. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
In which case, although she'd been in a nursing home for a couple of | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
years, there is potential for there to be a reasonable estate remaining. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
We are going to look into this quite urgently, because it's got potential. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
Doris Stout passed away in March 2013 in a nursing home in Essex. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
She was 90-years-old. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
Together with her husband, John, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
she had lived in the seaside town of Southend-on-Sea for many years. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
According to neighbours, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
they were a couple who loved a night out on the town. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Sometimes they would be practising, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
because we could hear the music, they would be practising dance steps. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
They used to go out every night, it didn't matter what the weather. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Snowing, raining, whatever, and they used to go to the pub. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
She would go out in a lovely dress, wouldn't she? She'd be all done up. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
They didn't go out scruffy, they went out done up nicely in the evenings. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Fantastic, fantastic people. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
And it seems the pair were the centre of each other's world. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
They were a devoted couple. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
She worshipped John, and John was, you know, cock-a-hoop. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
They were a good couple. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
They lived, basically, for one another. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
Doris was born Doris James in February 1923 | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
in Poplar, east London. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
As she died without leaving a will | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
and as no family have come forward, her case has been advertised as | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
unclaimed by the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia department. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Cases are referred to the Bona Vacantia division by all | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
sorts of people, usually the local authority who will have dealt | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
with the funeral, sometimes hospitals, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
sometimes friends of the deceased will refer cases. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
They can also come from private firms and solicitors, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
so really anyone can refer an unclaimed estate to us. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
The Bona Vacantia list | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
is a common source of work for the heir hunters. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
And until recently, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
the minimum value of any estate appearing on the list was £5,000. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
But lately all that has changed. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Generally speaking, everything had some money, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
and had enough money to work it through and complete it. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Now that value has dropped. That value has dropped from £5000 to £500. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
The Treasury do not publish the exact value | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
of any estate on their list, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
so the team have no idea whether cases are worth £500 or £5 million. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
They work for a percentage of the estate, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
which would be agreed with any heirs they sign up. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
And if they don't find any heirs, they won't earn a penny. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Any chance of getting that over the phone? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Case manager Gareth Langford and the team believe that Doris had owned | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
a property and have estimated this estate could be worth £175,000. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
But they know that Doris spent at least two years | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
living in a nursing home, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and it's possible her house was sold to pay for her care. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
So the team can't be certain of the case's true value. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
On face value the estate has possibly got some good value. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
Actually, it's more likely that most of the value of the estate has been | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
swallowed up by nursing home fees. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Which is sadly often the case these days. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Despite the uncertainty surrounding the value of her estate, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
the team have already made good progress | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
and established that Doris married John Stout in 1946 in East Ham. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
As John died before Doris and they had no children, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
the team need to look for any siblings she might have, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
as they or their children would be next in line to inherit. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
The heir hunters have discovered that Doris's parents were | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
George James and Annie Harbour. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
They believe George and Annie had at least one other child, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
a daughter called Marjorie, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
who was born six years before Doris in 1917 and died in infancy. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
But surprisingly, Doris | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
and Marjorie were born a long time after their parents married. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
The deceased parents married in 1903. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
So we've got a birth in 1923, a birth in 1917, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
but there's obviously all that time in between 1911 in 1903 | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
where there could be other siblings of the deceased. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
It's these siblings and their children who the team now need to | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
trace, as they or their children could be heirs to Doris' estate. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
As the team get to work trying to trace more siblings, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
using censuses and birth records, Gareth gets a phone call | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
which might shed some light on the value of her estate. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Thank you, bye-bye. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Right, that's a bit of background information. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Basically, Doris went into care after her husband passed away. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
It's not good news for Gareth. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
As Doris' husband died seven years before her, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Doris lived in a nursing home for a lot longer than they thought. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
So even though she owned a property, potentially worth £175,000, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
her entire estate may have been spent on her care. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
So that could have quite a dramatic effect on the value | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
of the estate from our point of view. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
Because at this stage we've really got to establish | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
whether this case is worth looking at financially. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Meanwhile on the research side, the team have been able to | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
establish that Doris did indeed have more siblings. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
In fact, it seems she came from a very large family. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
I found a 1911 census that had five children. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
We were aware that there were two additional children born after 1911. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
As the result of some research, I found an additional | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
three other children as well, born between 1911 and 1920. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
It gives us a total of 10 children. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
We've established that one of the children, Marjorie, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
died in infancy, but several of them married. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Six of those went on to have children. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
A big family means the company | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
must invest more resources to trace heirs. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
So with any case they take on, boss Neil must try to assess | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
whether the commission they will earn from an estate is enough | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
to pay for their work. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
The bigger the family, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
the greater chance we have of finding that one person. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Once we've found that one person, then we don't want any more. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Once we found the first beneficiary, then we have to be careful. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
We have to then start looking at estate size. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
If we are dealing with a relatively small estate, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
maybe £15,000-£20,000, and we suddenly start getting hundreds | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
and hundreds of cousins, then we've got a problem. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
For now, the team are pressing on with their research, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
but they know it's a risk. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
Not going there then. Focus on marriages. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Grab another stem. There's hundreds of them. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
They've discovered Doris had nine siblings, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
all of whom seemed to have died. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
So they are now looking for their descendants, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
who would be heirs to Doris's estate. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
The case isn't going very well really. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
We've got an awful lot of nee kin, but we're not getting any heirs. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Erm... We are either getting marriages | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
but they are not having children, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
or brothers passing away as bachelors. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
To add even more pressure to the team, they know that any | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
number of rival heir hunting firms could be working the case. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
It's urgent because we've got to beat the competition. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I know there will be lots of companies looking at this case. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
Whatever the value of Doris' estate may be, if a rival firm | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
reaches the heirs first, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Gareth and the team won't make a single penny. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
And as the search continues, will all their hard work pay off? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
At the moment we're fighting quite a big battle with lots of heirs, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
lots of competition, and what we need to do is get them all on our side. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
While most heir hunts remain in the UK, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
some can be truly global affairs. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
And that was certainly true when probate research firm Finders | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
took on the case of David Lynsdale. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Based in London, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
the company is one of the largest air hunting firms in the UK. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
And for managing director Daniel Curran, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
it's a rewarding business. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
There's a big plus on some cases | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
where you find people that have a life-changing experience, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
whether that's through money they inherit | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
or through the family they get to know about that they never knew about before. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
When the firm got to work tracing heirs to Derek Lynsdale's | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
£270,000 estate, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
it was up to case manager Ryan Gregory to lead the team. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
We started the case of Derek Lynsdale at the beginning of 2011. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
We found out it was with the Treasury Solicitor's Office, the Bona Vacantia Division, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
and we started work on it pretty soon after that. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Derek Lynsdale died in October 2010 at home in Welling, Kent. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
A regular churchgoer, it seems he was a man who kept himself to himself. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
He'd been coming here since before I arrived, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and I came here about six years ago. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
And he would sit very quietly at the back | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
and just take up the collection, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
that was his bit, you know. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Since he passed away, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I discovered that he had been living with his mum until she died. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
And she'd been a university lecturer or something in Burma. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
And after she died, he lived on his own in the house | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
and he was a bit of a loner really. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
As Derek had no wife, children or any close family, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
it was up to Ryan and his team to track down heirs. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Their first job was to establish if Derek had any siblings. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
And to do this, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
they needed to trace his parents via his birth certificate. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
We started with the name of the deceased and the date of death. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
From there, we can usually go back | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and find the birth entry of the deceased. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
But in this particular case, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
looking for a record of Derek's birth | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
was not going to be straightforward. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Whilst he died in Kent, he had been born a lot further away, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
in the colony of Burma. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Fortunately for the team, however, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
as Burma was first colonised as a province of British India, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
many of its records are held alongside the Indian ones | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
at the British Library in London. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Rather than travel all the way to Burma, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
the team could start work a little closer to home. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
Once we knew the records were held at the British Library, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
we sent a junior researcher down to the India Office Records section | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
of the British Library to research the baptism and marriage indexes. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
But there was a limit to how useful these records could be. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
The records held at the British Library for Burma stop in 1937. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
After 1937, Burma actually became | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
a separately administered colony of the British Empire. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
Unfortunately for the heir hunters, Derek was born in October 1937, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
meaning they had no chance of finding his birth there. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
We couldn't find any records at all, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
so the next logical step was to try and find out who his parents were. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
Lynsdale is a very uncommon surname, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
so it was almost easier for us to research the parents. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
And Ryan was soon able to track them down. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
The deceased's parents were George Lynsdale and Jean Phipps. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
They married in 1936 in Rangoon, the before he was born. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Jean and George were both from Anglo-Indian families | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
and it seems they'd both grown up in Burma, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
which at the time was an important part of the British Empire. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
Burma is on the eastern border | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
of India, and in the 19th century, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
as a result of three wars - | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
one in the 1820s, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
one in the 1850s and one in the 1880s - | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
the British annexed Burma. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
They did so principally to protect that eastern border of India. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:53 | |
It is, to use a phrase, the Jewel in the Crown. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
So in terms of the amount of wealth that Britain extracted from India, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
it's huge, it is the core possession. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Under British rule, Burma itself | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
was transformed both physically and economically. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Rangoon changes from basically a rather muddy town, really, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
into the capital of British Burma, the major administrative centre, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
the government centre, the commercial centre. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
And of course, a city dominated also by foreigners. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
The Burmese aren't there, it's a European, it's an Indian city. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
It was at the University of Rangoon that Derek's parents met. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Jean went on to become a zoologist | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
and George got a job as a secretariat to the British Government. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
For the senior levels of the administration, they lived well. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
They had servants, they had guards, it was as it was in India proper. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
In the physical sense, it could be incredibly luxurious. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
One was surrounded by servants, one had all sorts of amenities, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
one played polo, one drank gin, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
it could be a life of extraordinary luxury, comparative to the time. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
Now they knew Derek's parents were, they could now check to see | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
if he was an only child. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
Because we couldn't find any siblings of the deceased, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
we went back and looked at the wider family | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
to try and find aunts and uncles, and therefore cousins. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
On the maternal side of the family, we were able to identify | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
the fact that the deceased's mother only had one sibling. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It was a brother and he died shortly after being born. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
So effectively that side of the family had died out. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
All hopes of finding heirs to this £270,000 estate | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
now rested on the paternal side. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
If Derek's father George had no siblings, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
all the teams research would have been for nothing. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Before they could look for George's siblings, however, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
they first had to trace his parents. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
From the baptism entry of the deceased's father, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
we were able to identify the occupation | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
of the paternal grandfather, Henry Lynsdale, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
which showed that he was actually a doctor | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
in the Indian army based in Burma. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
Henry Lynsdale began his career at Madras Medical School | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
and went on to become a doctor in the British Indian Army. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Working in both India and Burma, it was a career that placed him | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
at the heart of the ongoing expansion of the British Empire. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
By the time Derek's father was born, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Henry had been posted to the Andaman Islands, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
a group of 200 islands in the Bay of Bengal, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
which at that time were being used as a British penal colony. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Working as a prison doctor there in a jail that still stands today, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
his Anglo-Indian heritage gave him unique status. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Henry Lynsdale seems to have been one of the Anglo-Indians | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
who was used as a buffer between the establishment | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
and the Indian convicts. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Because most Anglo-Indians could speak Hindustani or other languages, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
they were very familiar with culture, with food, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
with ways of life and so on. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
And so it was felt that they could associate with Indian convicts | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
successfully, whilst remaining fairly separate from them. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
To further his career, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
Henry and his family would have had to make some serious adjustments. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
Anglo-Indians were urban people, they lived in cities, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
they enjoyed the good life - theatre, dancing, bingo, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
all these things - and it wasn't an easy transition | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
to a very isolated, hostile, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
uncleared environment in a tropical island. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
And it seems the job required a man of strong character. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
The large majority of convicts were convicted of crimes of violence, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
mostly murder or violent robbery. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
And in the case of women, who constituted about 10 percent | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
of the total number of convicts, infanticide. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
So these were violent offenders. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
The key thing for the heir hunters, however, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
is whether Henry and his wife Mabel, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Derek's grandparents, had more than one child. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
If they did, there was still a chance of finding heirs | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
to Derek Lynsdale's estate. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
The paternal grandparents had four children in total. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
One of those died without issue, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
one was the deceased's father. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
Derek's father George had three siblings. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
As his sister Winifred died in infancy, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
the heir hunters now needed to trace Clement and William's descendants, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Derek's cousins, in order to find heirs. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Once we'd identified George's brothers, we then had to go back | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
to the marriage records, try and find the marriage entry for them | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
and from there on we could find whether they had any children. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
And the search for Derek's cousins was to uncover a terrifying tale. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
In late December 1941, the Japanese invaded Burma. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
What shook me so much was when we were bombed. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
And suddenly, this lovely, idyllic childhood world | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
was totally shattered. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
But not all cases can be cracked. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
There are thousands out there that have eluded the heir hunters | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
and remain unsolved. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Today we're focussing on two Scottish cases. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Whereas in England and Wales, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
unclaimed estates are dealt with by the Treasury Solicitor | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and their value is not revealed, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
in Scotland, they're advertised by the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
And they do list the value. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they are looking for? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Could you be about to inherit some money from a long-lost relative? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
First up is a case worth almost £55,000. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
John Greer Martin was born on 10 March 1939 in Glasgow. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
When he died on 18 September 2012 in a care home in East Kilbride, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
he left no will, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
and no relatives have come forward to claim his estate. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Did you know John? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
Do you have any information that could be key to cracking this case? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Next is the £7,392 case of Richard Rogers Smith | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
who was born on 12 September 1960. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
He died on 9 September 2008 in Melrose in the Scottish Borders. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
It's believed Richard may have been survived by a child, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
siblings and parents. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
But despite all this information, there's been no success | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
in tracing beneficiaries to his estate. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Does his name mean anything to you? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Perhaps you know of some clues which could help find his family. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Both these estates, totalling over £60,000, remain unsolved. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
And if no-one comes forward, the money will go to the government. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Do you know anything that could help solve | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
the cases of Richard Rogers Smith or John Greer Martin? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Back in central London, the team, led by case manager Gareth Langford, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
are busy tracking down heirs to Doris Stout's estate. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Since starting the case, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
they've discovered that she was one of 10 children. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
Born the John James and Annie Harbour. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
What we know about George is that in 1903, he was down as a seaman, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
just a general hand on a boat. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
But by 1911, on the census he was down as a ship rigger, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
so helped to construct...helped to put the mast up on the boat. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
So was moving into the shipbuilding industry | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
as opposed to the sailing industry. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
And it seems shipping was in the blood, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
as both Doris's grandfathers had worked in the industry before him. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
By the time George became a shipbuilder in 1911, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
the year of the Titanic's launch, the industry was at its peak. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
NEWSREEL: 'England banks on 534 to reaffirm her supremacy on the Atlantic.' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
In 1911, British shipbuilding is turning out no less than 60% | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
of the entire world merchant fleet. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
That's four times as much as its nearest competitor, which is Germany. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
For men such as George employed in the industry, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
it was a physically demanding job. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
Working conditions in the shipyards were very tough. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
Everything had to be done by hand, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
obviously everything was done outside, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
the jobs were very physical and often very dangerous as well. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
And it provided an unreliable form of income. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
It was actually quite well paid by the standards of the day, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
but there was no job security | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
and when there was no work, men were not employed. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
So men were quite often thrown effectively into poverty. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
For George, the threat of unemployment would have been | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
very real, as he had a large family of 10 children to support. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
And it's the descendants of these children | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
that Gareth and the team are now trying to track down. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
As one child died in infancy, and two had no children, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
the team are busy tracing heirs | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
on six different branches of the tree. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
With the threat of rival firms also working the case, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
it's all hands on deck to find them before the competition. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
And finally, it seems they make headway with one stem. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
-There she is, live number... -Brilliant. Thank you. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
Doris's sister Ivy had three children | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
and the team have just found contact details for one of them. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Hopefully they haven't been contacted already. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
It's actually, although the tree is quite large, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
at this stage we're not sure how many beneficiaries will be involved. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I'm hoping not many. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
Gareth gives the heir a call. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
Is that yourself? Oh, brilliant. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Your mother was one of quite a large family, I believe. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
I'm specifically looking at Doris James. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
And he's in luck. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
That would be your aunt... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
He's managed to reach them before the competition. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
And that's Mr Stout's sister. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Thank you very, very much. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
Not only that, but the heir is able to fill him in on the family tree. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
And from there, the number of heirs keeps on growing. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The tree's kind of exploded because every stem, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
whereas we thought a lot of the stems weren't having issue, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
I've now spoken to several beneficiaries | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
and they basically said each stem seems to have four or five children. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
So every time I put the phone down, I've got more heirs. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
So what I'm trying to do now really is get another copy | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
of the family tree together, so I can pass it on to the secretaries | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
to get letters out today to the ones we've located so far. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
Gareth does exactly that, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
and with the tree still growing at an alarming rate, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
the team eventually have to call it a day. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
The next day, and although they've found | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
a lot of potential heirs to Doris's estate, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
they still have several more to find. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Really, what's left is the sort of slightly more tricky bits, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
really, that we're struggling to sort out, but, you know... | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
It's never always easy, so it's good to have difficult bits, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
because if it's difficult for us, it's difficult for everybody else. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
So far, they've completed work on five out of six stems. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
I think he may have passed away a minor, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
or he's just not actually a part of our family. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
And they've made great progress, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
tracing 11 nieces and nephews of Doris, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
as well as six great-nephews and nieces. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
All 17 of whom are potential heirs to her estate. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
At the moment, we're fighting quite a big battle, with lots of heirs, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
lots of competition, and what we need to do | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
is get them all on our side. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Where's my cup of tea? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:27 | |
To add to the team's woes, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
they still don't know how much this case is worth. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Although Doris and her husband once owned a property worth around £175,000, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
it's possible the proceeds from selling it | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
were all used to pay for her care. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
But the impression of Doris's neighbours | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
is that they were quite well-to-do. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
And they remember Doris's late husband John | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
as a successful businessman. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
His early business interest lay in the fact that he produced | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
mannequins that used to show in shop windows. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
And I believe he was one of the first in the country | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
to produce those things. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
And it seems like he might have had some money behind him. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
He was quite a neat gardener, if you like, but he used to say, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
"Well, this garden here would fit in a flower bed at my other place." | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
And you thought, "Crikey, it must be a fair old place." | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
These gardens aren't big, butt to fit one in a flower bed, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
you're talking some sort of garden. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Time alone will tell if the team's gamble will pay off. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
But for now, their main concern is completing the tree. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
And there's one stem causing problems. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Really, we've contacted most, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
or certainly people on most parts of the family, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
apart from Leslie, who is proving slightly more elusive. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
Yes, Leslie's children, we are still trying to track them down. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Doris's brother Leslie was born in 1918 and died in 1994. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:59 | |
But the team can't find records to trace any children he might have. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
There's Leslie, over there. Now, they don't think he had four children. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Solving this last stem is absolutely vital to their research, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
as without it, they cannot be sure if they've found all the heirs. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
The worst-case scenario for us, on an estate, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
is if we've got unsolved stems. What we really need to do | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
is get every stem up-to-date as quickly as possible. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Because if we're not getting it up-to-date, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
it's possible our competition are. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Finding heirs, however, is just one part of the job. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
The team also want the heirs to sign up with them. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
So Gareth calls travelling researcher Dave Hadley | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
and arranges for him to go and visit | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
one of the heirs they found yesterday. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
No, I think Marie is the best bet actually. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
All the other stems I've contacted or left messages with. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
Lovely, thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Dave is one of the team's army of travelling researchers | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
based all over the UK. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
His job out on the road is to make enquiries, collect documents | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
and crucially, to sign up heirs. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
I'm on my way to try and make contact with another heir. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
Gareth has been trying to ring her all day, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
but it's constantly engaged, so he's asked me to make a call on her. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
Dave's meeting with one of the Doris's nieces, Marie, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
a daughter of Doris's brother George. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
And he's hoping she'll sign with the firm. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
-Mrs Marie Gibbs? -Yes. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
I've got you as... | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
As your father was George... would have been Doris's brother. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
So that makes Doris your aunt. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Once they've run through the tree, Dave explains the uncertainty | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
surrounding the value of Doris's estate. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
We can't say how much you're likely to get at this stage | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
because we don't know how much the estate is worth. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
We know that she owned her own property at one time. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
But it turns out Marie might have some important information. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
They had this underwear factory as well. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
-Yeah. -The last time I saw him, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
he might have been retired by then, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
so he might have sold the factory by then. I don't know. But... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
Oh, well, there might be a reasonable amount of money | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
in the estate in that case. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
Perhaps the case might be valuable after all. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Which means it's all the more important that Dave can | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
persuade Marie to sign with the company. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
I'll show you the agreement and then you can have a read of it | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
and give you an opportunity to ask any questions. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
And then you can tell me what you want to do. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Marie wants some time to look over the documents. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
But things are looking positive. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
So I'll leave that with you. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
All you need to do is put that white copy in that envelope, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
it doesn't need a stamp, and post it back to us. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
OK, thanks ever so much. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
-Lovely meeting you, thanks very much, bye-bye. -Thank you. Bye. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
For heir Marie, news of her aunt's death | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
has taken her totally by surprise. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
It was just out of the blue. I didn't know she'd passed away. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
The last time I saw her was about 25 years ago. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
I used to work in a shoe shop and she used to come in to buy shoes. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
She was in her 60s then. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
But Dave's visit has brought back fond memories. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
When I was young, I used to go around her house | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
and see her up the high road. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Very nice person. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
She had no children, but, er, she was, you know, a lovely lady. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:46 | |
Dave leaves Marie to think things over. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
The question of whether she will sign | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
might still be hanging in the balance, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
but there's no more he can do. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
I think that's me finished for the day now, so... | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
going to make my way home. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
And back in the office, Gareth has made his own breakthrough | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
with Doris's brother Leslie, who he's been struggling to trace. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
I've just had a phone call from one of the potential heirs. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
And they've very kindly filled in quite a lot of blanks. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
It appears that Leslie probably only had two children, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and his wife had two children from a previous marriage, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
so that might be why we're really struggling to identify, er, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
firstly his marriage and secondly the issue of it. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Because if the mother's been previously married | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
then it's not going to be as obvious. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
This means Gareth and the team now have the vital information | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
they need to completely the tree. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
A few days later, Doris's niece Marie | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
has looked through the paperwork Dave left with her | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
and decided to sign up to allow the company | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
to help her claim her share of the inheritance | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
in return for an agreed percentage. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
And Marie is just one of the many heirs on this case. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
We were able to establish that there are 21 heirs involved in this. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
18 nephews and nieces, and some great-nephews and nieces as well. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
But from the moment they began working this case, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
one question has hung over them. How much is the estate actually worth? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
Well, Gareth has finally been able to establish the value, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
and it's very good news. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
We slowly discovered that this estate potentially had a much greater value. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
In fact, er, the value is so large, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
it changed the job completely. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
Doris's estate is worth a whopping £500,000 | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
which means the team's gamble has paid off | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
and the 21 heirs should each receive a sizable inheritance. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
Heir-hunting film Finders were on the trail of the £270,000 estate | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
of Derek Lynsdale, who had been born in Burma | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
and who had died in the UK in October 2010. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
Case manager Ryan had quickly established that | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
any heirs to this estate would come through Derek's father's family. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
With the fact that there wasn't any active stems | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
on the maternal side of the family, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
that led us to put all our resources into the paternal side, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
trying to find a lead and trying to find a beneficiary, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
hopefully, on that side of the family. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Having established that Derek's father George had two brothers, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
the team are on the hunt for any children THEY might have. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
As the family were Anglo-Indians based in Burma, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
to trace them, the team are relying on Burmese records up to 1937 | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
held by the British Library. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
On the active lines on the paternal side of the family | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
we were actually able to find three cousins, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
all born prior to 1937, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
after which the records in Burma stop. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Baptism records reveal that Derek's uncle Clement | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
had one daughter, Susan, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
and his uncle William had two children. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
It was a great start, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
but tracing any records beyond that of their birth | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
was going to be a tricky task. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Because the records end in 1937, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
we knew that we had to go to alternative resources | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
in order to find out what happened to them and where they may be. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
And narrowing down where to look was not going to be easy, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
as the dramatic events in Burma the following decade | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
would mean that the heirs could now be anywhere in the world. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
In late December 1941, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
the Japanese invaded Burma from the east, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
from Thailand, which was then called Siam. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
This was a part of a general Japanese advance into south-east Asia. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
With no capacity to defend Burma, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
the British retreated almost immediately. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
After abandoning Rangoon first and working their way up through Burma, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
they destroyed everything in their wake. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
They destroy the electricity generating station in Rangoon. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:03 | |
They destroy railway lines, they destroy railway bridges, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
they destroy the oil wells of central and northern Burma. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Everything they possibly can, they want to deny to the Japanese. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
So the amount of destruction is very, very substantial. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Their last act is to open the gates of the prison and the lunatic asylum. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
Well, first of all you can't leave prisoners and lunatics locked up, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
but also it causes trouble for the incoming Japanese. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
For British and Anglo-Indian families such as Derek's, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
they needed to get out, and fast. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
When the Japanese attack them - there is a bombing of Rangoon | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
actually on Christmas Day of 1941 - | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
there is an evacuation of the European population. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
I mean, clearly women and children sort of first, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
but then increasingly the whole population. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
Some got out by ship, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:51 | |
a few, the most senior people, would eventually fly out. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
Um, but some people actually had to walk out. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
At least, they got trains up into northern Burma and walked from there. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
But what impact did this event have on Derek's family? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
The team knew Derek had made his way over to England | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
at some stage in his life, but what of his cousins? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
It seemed very unlikely | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
that they would have stayed in Burma beyond 1941, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
so case manager Ryan knew he would have to widen his search. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
We assumed that the family could have gone anywhere in the world | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
to get away from what was happening. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And as a specialist, he knew exactly where to start. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
That overseas research, you're largely referring | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
to passenger lists which are very, very useful in finding out | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
which ports certain people passed through | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
and where people may be emigrating to. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
The team were in luck. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
They unearthed a passenger record for Derek's uncle William | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
showing that when he left Burma, he headed for Australia. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
If his descendents were still there, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
this could be just the breakthrough they needed. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Due to data restrictions in Australia | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
it's hard to search through vital indexes | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
that may have been relatively recent. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
It's also harder to search through recent electoral registers. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Luckily in this case we were able to find an obituary record | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
for the uncle, which led us to his children in Australia. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
This was great news. By tracing William's two children, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
the team had found their first heirs. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
But the search did not end there, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
as they still needed to track down Derek's other cousin, Susan. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
The paternal uncle Clement actually ended up in the UK, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
we were able to find incoming passenger list | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
that suggested that he boarded over here. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
Once we knew that Clement Lynsdale had entered the UK, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
we knew that we could look for a death entry for him. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Lynsdale is a very uncommon surname. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
The easiest thing for us to do was to find his death entry, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
to apply for his death certificate, and hopefully, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
somebody in his family would be listed as the informant. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Luckily we found out that his daughter was listed as the informant | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
on his death certificate, which enabled us to track her down | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and let her know that she's going to be due some money | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
from her cousin's estate. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
For Derek's cousin Susan, the news came completely out of the blue. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
I was quite... | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
gobsmacked. Because it never occurred to me that | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
I would inherit anything. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
I mean, I had no idea about Derek, whether he was alive | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
or what, so it was a surprise. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
I would say that from my memories of him as a child, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
he had no malice in him at all. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Derek was always known in the family as being very quiet | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and very much under his mother's influence, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
and as far as we knew, had never married. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
He and his parents bought a house in Welling, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
where he still lived after they both died. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Being contacted by the Heir Hunters has caused Susan to reflect on | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
her early childhood spent in Burma with her cousin Derek. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
From what I can remember of Burma, it was lovely. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
Er...you know, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
the Burmese are laid-back people, really, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
very relaxed. I never had any angst. First time I really... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
Which I suppose is what shook me so much, was when we were bombed. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
And suddenly this lovely idyllic childhood world | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
was totally shattered. When it happened, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
obviously it was a huge, complete traumatic experience, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
and I still remember it vividly. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
I remember my parents had sent me to stay with my grandparents | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
because they lived out in the suburbs | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
and so they thought, "Quite safe, nothing will happen there." | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Unfortunately, this was not the case, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
and when the house next door to her grandparents' | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
was completely destroyed by a Japanese bomb, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
six-year-old Susan had a narrow escape. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
Grandfather looked around for me and found me | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
underneath the dining-room table | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
with a wodge of envelopes in my mouth, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
because you were told, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
have something, so that you don't bite your tongue. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
After such a terrifying experience, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Susan and her parents fled Burma, first to India, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
and then later to England, where they settled. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
And that's why Ryan and his team tracked her down. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
What was really nice about this case was it had a really interesting | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
and quite full family history. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
It was a very intriguing case | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
and we were actually able to put the cousins in touch with each other | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
from the other side of the world. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
I had always assumed that we were a small family, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
I'd never met any of the others, had no idea about them. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
You know, I feel, this is wonderful. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
I've found a family I never knew I had. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 |