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Every year thousands of people die with no known family

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and without leaving a will.

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Nobody knew very much about him.

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He was one of these guys, he seemed to keep himself very much to himself.

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If no relatives come forward, their money will go to the Government.

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And that's where the heir hunters step in.

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Hello, Mal.

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They are experts in tracing long lost family members

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who are entitled to part of an estate.

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It came as a bolt out of the blue, really.

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Their work involves detailed research.

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Because you're in a competitive process there is a time constraint.

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And there are often thousands of pounds at stake.

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We've since discovered that the pearls found in Marion's house

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actually belonged to the Duchess of Windsor.

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But it's also about reuniting families

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and bringing people closer together.

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I didn't know what I know now about my own family.

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Above all, it's about giving people news of an unexpected windfall.

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Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door?

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Coming up, the heir hunters take on a huge gamble.

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We've really got to establish

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whether this case is worth looking at financially.

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And the tale of one family driven apart by war is revealed.

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Suddenly our whole world was completely shattered.

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Plus, have you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed

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estates held by the Treasury.

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Could a fortune be heading your way?

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Tuesday afternoon in central London,

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and the team at heir hunting firm Fraser and Fraser

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are hard at work on a new case that has just come out.

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I've got the late Doris Stout.

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I'm wondering if I could speak to someone who may have dealt

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with her affairs or knew the lady?

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Thank you, bye-bye.

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We've picked up a case or a potential case of Doris Stout. Erm...

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Now, it looks like she was possibly in a nursing home,

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although maybe her property was sold.

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In which case, although she'd been in a nursing home for a couple of

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years, there is potential for there to be a reasonable estate remaining.

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We are going to look into this quite urgently, because it's got potential.

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Doris Stout passed away in March 2013 in a nursing home in Essex.

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She was 90-years-old.

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Together with her husband, John,

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she had lived in the seaside town of Southend-on-Sea for many years.

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According to neighbours,

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they were a couple who loved a night out on the town.

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Sometimes they would be practising,

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because we could hear the music, they would be practising dance steps.

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They used to go out every night, it didn't matter what the weather.

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Snowing, raining, whatever, and they used to go to the pub.

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She would go out in a lovely dress, wouldn't she? She'd be all done up.

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They didn't go out scruffy, they went out done up nicely in the evenings.

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Fantastic, fantastic people.

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And it seems the pair were the centre of each other's world.

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They were a devoted couple.

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She worshipped John, and John was, you know, cock-a-hoop.

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They were a good couple.

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They lived, basically, for one another.

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Doris was born Doris James in February 1923

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in Poplar, east London.

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As she died without leaving a will

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and as no family have come forward, her case has been advertised as

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unclaimed by the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia department.

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Cases are referred to the Bona Vacantia division by all

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sorts of people, usually the local authority who will have dealt

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with the funeral, sometimes hospitals,

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sometimes friends of the deceased will refer cases.

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They can also come from private firms and solicitors,

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so really anyone can refer an unclaimed estate to us.

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The Bona Vacantia list

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is a common source of work for the heir hunters.

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And until recently,

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the minimum value of any estate appearing on the list was £5,000.

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But lately all that has changed.

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Generally speaking, everything had some money,

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and had enough money to work it through and complete it.

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Now that value has dropped. That value has dropped from £5000 to £500.

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The Treasury do not publish the exact value

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of any estate on their list,

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so the team have no idea whether cases are worth £500 or £5 million.

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They work for a percentage of the estate,

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which would be agreed with any heirs they sign up.

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And if they don't find any heirs, they won't earn a penny.

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Any chance of getting that over the phone?

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Case manager Gareth Langford and the team believe that Doris had owned

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a property and have estimated this estate could be worth £175,000.

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But they know that Doris spent at least two years

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living in a nursing home,

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and it's possible her house was sold to pay for her care.

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So the team can't be certain of the case's true value.

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On face value the estate has possibly got some good value.

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Actually, it's more likely that most of the value of the estate has been

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swallowed up by nursing home fees.

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Which is sadly often the case these days.

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Despite the uncertainty surrounding the value of her estate,

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the team have already made good progress

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and established that Doris married John Stout in 1946 in East Ham.

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As John died before Doris and they had no children,

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the team need to look for any siblings she might have,

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as they or their children would be next in line to inherit.

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The heir hunters have discovered that Doris's parents were

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George James and Annie Harbour.

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They believe George and Annie had at least one other child,

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a daughter called Marjorie,

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who was born six years before Doris in 1917 and died in infancy.

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But surprisingly, Doris

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and Marjorie were born a long time after their parents married.

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The deceased parents married in 1903.

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So we've got a birth in 1923, a birth in 1917,

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but there's obviously all that time in between 1911 in 1903

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where there could be other siblings of the deceased.

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It's these siblings and their children who the team now need to

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trace, as they or their children could be heirs to Doris' estate.

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As the team get to work trying to trace more siblings,

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using censuses and birth records, Gareth gets a phone call

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which might shed some light on the value of her estate.

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Thank you, bye-bye.

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Right, that's a bit of background information.

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Basically, Doris went into care after her husband passed away.

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It's not good news for Gareth.

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As Doris' husband died seven years before her,

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Doris lived in a nursing home for a lot longer than they thought.

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So even though she owned a property, potentially worth £175,000,

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her entire estate may have been spent on her care.

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So that could have quite a dramatic effect on the value

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of the estate from our point of view.

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Because at this stage we've really got to establish

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whether this case is worth looking at financially.

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Meanwhile on the research side, the team have been able to

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establish that Doris did indeed have more siblings.

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In fact, it seems she came from a very large family.

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I found a 1911 census that had five children.

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We were aware that there were two additional children born after 1911.

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As the result of some research, I found an additional

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three other children as well, born between 1911 and 1920.

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It gives us a total of 10 children.

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We've established that one of the children, Marjorie,

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died in infancy, but several of them married.

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Six of those went on to have children.

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A big family means the company

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must invest more resources to trace heirs.

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So with any case they take on, boss Neil must try to assess

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whether the commission they will earn from an estate is enough

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to pay for their work.

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The bigger the family,

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the greater chance we have of finding that one person.

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Once we've found that one person, then we don't want any more.

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Once we found the first beneficiary, then we have to be careful.

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We have to then start looking at estate size.

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If we are dealing with a relatively small estate,

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maybe £15,000-£20,000, and we suddenly start getting hundreds

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and hundreds of cousins, then we've got a problem.

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For now, the team are pressing on with their research,

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but they know it's a risk.

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Not going there then. Focus on marriages.

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Grab another stem. There's hundreds of them.

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They've discovered Doris had nine siblings,

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all of whom seemed to have died.

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So they are now looking for their descendants,

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who would be heirs to Doris's estate.

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The case isn't going very well really.

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We've got an awful lot of nee kin, but we're not getting any heirs.

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Erm... We are either getting marriages

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but they are not having children,

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or brothers passing away as bachelors.

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To add even more pressure to the team, they know that any

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number of rival heir hunting firms could be working the case.

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It's urgent because we've got to beat the competition.

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I know there will be lots of companies looking at this case.

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Whatever the value of Doris' estate may be, if a rival firm

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reaches the heirs first,

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Gareth and the team won't make a single penny.

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And as the search continues, will all their hard work pay off?

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At the moment we're fighting quite a big battle with lots of heirs,

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lots of competition, and what we need to do is get them all on our side.

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While most heir hunts remain in the UK,

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some can be truly global affairs.

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And that was certainly true when probate research firm Finders

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took on the case of David Lynsdale.

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Based in London,

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the company is one of the largest air hunting firms in the UK.

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And for managing director Daniel Curran,

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it's a rewarding business.

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There's a big plus on some cases

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where you find people that have a life-changing experience,

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whether that's through money they inherit

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or through the family they get to know about that they never knew about before.

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When the firm got to work tracing heirs to Derek Lynsdale's

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£270,000 estate,

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it was up to case manager Ryan Gregory to lead the team.

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We started the case of Derek Lynsdale at the beginning of 2011.

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We found out it was with the Treasury Solicitor's Office, the Bona Vacantia Division,

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and we started work on it pretty soon after that.

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Derek Lynsdale died in October 2010 at home in Welling, Kent.

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A regular churchgoer, it seems he was a man who kept himself to himself.

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He'd been coming here since before I arrived,

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and I came here about six years ago.

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And he would sit very quietly at the back

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and just take up the collection,

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that was his bit, you know.

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Since he passed away,

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I discovered that he had been living with his mum until she died.

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And she'd been a university lecturer or something in Burma.

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And after she died, he lived on his own in the house

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and he was a bit of a loner really.

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As Derek had no wife, children or any close family,

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it was up to Ryan and his team to track down heirs.

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Their first job was to establish if Derek had any siblings.

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And to do this,

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they needed to trace his parents via his birth certificate.

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We started with the name of the deceased and the date of death.

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From there, we can usually go back

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and find the birth entry of the deceased.

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But in this particular case,

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looking for a record of Derek's birth

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was not going to be straightforward.

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Whilst he died in Kent, he had been born a lot further away,

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in the colony of Burma.

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Fortunately for the team, however,

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as Burma was first colonised as a province of British India,

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many of its records are held alongside the Indian ones

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at the British Library in London.

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Rather than travel all the way to Burma,

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the team could start work a little closer to home.

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Once we knew the records were held at the British Library,

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we sent a junior researcher down to the India Office Records section

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of the British Library to research the baptism and marriage indexes.

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But there was a limit to how useful these records could be.

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The records held at the British Library for Burma stop in 1937.

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After 1937, Burma actually became

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a separately administered colony of the British Empire.

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Unfortunately for the heir hunters, Derek was born in October 1937,

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meaning they had no chance of finding his birth there.

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We couldn't find any records at all,

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so the next logical step was to try and find out who his parents were.

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Lynsdale is a very uncommon surname,

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so it was almost easier for us to research the parents.

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And Ryan was soon able to track them down.

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The deceased's parents were George Lynsdale and Jean Phipps.

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They married in 1936 in Rangoon, the before he was born.

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Jean and George were both from Anglo-Indian families

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and it seems they'd both grown up in Burma,

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which at the time was an important part of the British Empire.

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Burma is on the eastern border

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of India, and in the 19th century,

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as a result of three wars -

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one in the 1820s,

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one in the 1850s and one in the 1880s -

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the British annexed Burma.

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They did so principally to protect that eastern border of India.

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It is, to use a phrase, the Jewel in the Crown.

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So in terms of the amount of wealth that Britain extracted from India,

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it's huge, it is the core possession.

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Under British rule, Burma itself

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was transformed both physically and economically.

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Rangoon changes from basically a rather muddy town, really,

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into the capital of British Burma, the major administrative centre,

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the government centre, the commercial centre.

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And of course, a city dominated also by foreigners.

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The Burmese aren't there, it's a European, it's an Indian city.

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It was at the University of Rangoon that Derek's parents met.

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Jean went on to become a zoologist

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and George got a job as a secretariat to the British Government.

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For the senior levels of the administration, they lived well.

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They had servants, they had guards, it was as it was in India proper.

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In the physical sense, it could be incredibly luxurious.

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One was surrounded by servants, one had all sorts of amenities,

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one played polo, one drank gin,

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it could be a life of extraordinary luxury, comparative to the time.

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Now they knew Derek's parents were, they could now check to see

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if he was an only child.

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Because we couldn't find any siblings of the deceased,

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we went back and looked at the wider family

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to try and find aunts and uncles, and therefore cousins.

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On the maternal side of the family, we were able to identify

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the fact that the deceased's mother only had one sibling.

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It was a brother and he died shortly after being born.

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So effectively that side of the family had died out.

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All hopes of finding heirs to this £270,000 estate

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now rested on the paternal side.

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If Derek's father George had no siblings,

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all the teams research would have been for nothing.

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Before they could look for George's siblings, however,

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they first had to trace his parents.

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From the baptism entry of the deceased's father,

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we were able to identify the occupation

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of the paternal grandfather, Henry Lynsdale,

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which showed that he was actually a doctor

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in the Indian army based in Burma.

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Henry Lynsdale began his career at Madras Medical School

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and went on to become a doctor in the British Indian Army.

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Working in both India and Burma, it was a career that placed him

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at the heart of the ongoing expansion of the British Empire.

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By the time Derek's father was born,

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Henry had been posted to the Andaman Islands,

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a group of 200 islands in the Bay of Bengal,

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which at that time were being used as a British penal colony.

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Working as a prison doctor there in a jail that still stands today,

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his Anglo-Indian heritage gave him unique status.

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Henry Lynsdale seems to have been one of the Anglo-Indians

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who was used as a buffer between the establishment

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and the Indian convicts.

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Because most Anglo-Indians could speak Hindustani or other languages,

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they were very familiar with culture, with food,

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with ways of life and so on.

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And so it was felt that they could associate with Indian convicts

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successfully, whilst remaining fairly separate from them.

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To further his career,

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Henry and his family would have had to make some serious adjustments.

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Anglo-Indians were urban people, they lived in cities,

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they enjoyed the good life - theatre, dancing, bingo,

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all these things - and it wasn't an easy transition

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to a very isolated, hostile,

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uncleared environment in a tropical island.

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And it seems the job required a man of strong character.

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The large majority of convicts were convicted of crimes of violence,

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mostly murder or violent robbery.

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And in the case of women, who constituted about 10 percent

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of the total number of convicts, infanticide.

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So these were violent offenders.

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The key thing for the heir hunters, however,

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is whether Henry and his wife Mabel,

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Derek's grandparents, had more than one child.

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If they did, there was still a chance of finding heirs

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to Derek Lynsdale's estate.

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The paternal grandparents had four children in total.

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One of those died without issue,

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one was the deceased's father.

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Derek's father George had three siblings.

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As his sister Winifred died in infancy,

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the heir hunters now needed to trace Clement and William's descendants,

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Derek's cousins, in order to find heirs.

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Once we'd identified George's brothers, we then had to go back

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to the marriage records, try and find the marriage entry for them

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and from there on we could find whether they had any children.

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And the search for Derek's cousins was to uncover a terrifying tale.

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In late December 1941, the Japanese invaded Burma.

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What shook me so much was when we were bombed.

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And suddenly, this lovely, idyllic childhood world

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was totally shattered.

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Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year.

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But not all cases can be cracked.

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There are thousands out there that have eluded the heir hunters

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and remain unsolved.

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Today we're focussing on two Scottish cases.

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Whereas in England and Wales,

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unclaimed estates are dealt with by the Treasury Solicitor

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and their value is not revealed,

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in Scotland, they're advertised by the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer.

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And they do list the value.

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Could you be the beneficiary they are looking for?

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Could you be about to inherit some money from a long-lost relative?

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First up is a case worth almost £55,000.

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John Greer Martin was born on 10 March 1939 in Glasgow.

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When he died on 18 September 2012 in a care home in East Kilbride,

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he left no will,

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and no relatives have come forward to claim his estate.

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Did you know John?

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Do you have any information that could be key to cracking this case?

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Next is the £7,392 case of Richard Rogers Smith

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who was born on 12 September 1960.

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He died on 9 September 2008 in Melrose in the Scottish Borders.

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It's believed Richard may have been survived by a child,

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siblings and parents.

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But despite all this information, there's been no success

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in tracing beneficiaries to his estate.

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Does his name mean anything to you?

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Perhaps you know of some clues which could help find his family.

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Both these estates, totalling over £60,000, remain unsolved.

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And if no-one comes forward, the money will go to the government.

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Do you know anything that could help solve

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the cases of Richard Rogers Smith or John Greer Martin?

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Perhaps you could be the next of kin?

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If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way.

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Back in central London, the team, led by case manager Gareth Langford,

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are busy tracking down heirs to Doris Stout's estate.

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Since starting the case,

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they've discovered that she was one of 10 children.

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Born the John James and Annie Harbour.

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What we know about George is that in 1903, he was down as a seaman,

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just a general hand on a boat.

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But by 1911, on the census he was down as a ship rigger,

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so helped to construct...helped to put the mast up on the boat.

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So was moving into the shipbuilding industry

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as opposed to the sailing industry.

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And it seems shipping was in the blood,

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as both Doris's grandfathers had worked in the industry before him.

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By the time George became a shipbuilder in 1911,

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the year of the Titanic's launch, the industry was at its peak.

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NEWSREEL: 'England banks on 534 to reaffirm her supremacy on the Atlantic.'

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In 1911, British shipbuilding is turning out no less than 60%

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of the entire world merchant fleet.

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That's four times as much as its nearest competitor, which is Germany.

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For men such as George employed in the industry,

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it was a physically demanding job.

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Working conditions in the shipyards were very tough.

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Everything had to be done by hand,

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obviously everything was done outside,

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the jobs were very physical and often very dangerous as well.

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And it provided an unreliable form of income.

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It was actually quite well paid by the standards of the day,

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but there was no job security

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and when there was no work, men were not employed.

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So men were quite often thrown effectively into poverty.

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For George, the threat of unemployment would have been

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very real, as he had a large family of 10 children to support.

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And it's the descendants of these children

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that Gareth and the team are now trying to track down.

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As one child died in infancy, and two had no children,

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the team are busy tracing heirs

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on six different branches of the tree.

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With the threat of rival firms also working the case,

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it's all hands on deck to find them before the competition.

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And finally, it seems they make headway with one stem.

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-There she is, live number...

-Brilliant. Thank you.

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Doris's sister Ivy had three children

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and the team have just found contact details for one of them.

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Hopefully they haven't been contacted already.

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It's actually, although the tree is quite large,

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at this stage we're not sure how many beneficiaries will be involved.

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I'm hoping not many.

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Gareth gives the heir a call.

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Is that yourself? Oh, brilliant.

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Your mother was one of quite a large family, I believe.

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I'm specifically looking at Doris James.

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And he's in luck.

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That would be your aunt...

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He's managed to reach them before the competition.

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And that's Mr Stout's sister.

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Thank you very, very much.

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Not only that, but the heir is able to fill him in on the family tree.

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And from there, the number of heirs keeps on growing.

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The tree's kind of exploded because every stem,

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whereas we thought a lot of the stems weren't having issue,

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I've now spoken to several beneficiaries

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and they basically said each stem seems to have four or five children.

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So every time I put the phone down, I've got more heirs.

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So what I'm trying to do now really is get another copy

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of the family tree together, so I can pass it on to the secretaries

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to get letters out today to the ones we've located so far.

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Gareth does exactly that,

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and with the tree still growing at an alarming rate,

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the team eventually have to call it a day.

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The next day, and although they've found

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a lot of potential heirs to Doris's estate,

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they still have several more to find.

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Really, what's left is the sort of slightly more tricky bits,

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really, that we're struggling to sort out, but, you know...

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It's never always easy, so it's good to have difficult bits,

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because if it's difficult for us, it's difficult for everybody else.

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So far, they've completed work on five out of six stems.

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I think he may have passed away a minor,

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or he's just not actually a part of our family.

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And they've made great progress,

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tracing 11 nieces and nephews of Doris,

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as well as six great-nephews and nieces.

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All 17 of whom are potential heirs to her estate.

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At the moment, we're fighting quite a big battle, with lots of heirs,

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lots of competition, and what we need to do

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is get them all on our side.

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Where's my cup of tea?

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To add to the team's woes,

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they still don't know how much this case is worth.

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Although Doris and her husband once owned a property worth around £175,000,

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it's possible the proceeds from selling it

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were all used to pay for her care.

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But the impression of Doris's neighbours

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is that they were quite well-to-do.

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And they remember Doris's late husband John

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as a successful businessman.

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His early business interest lay in the fact that he produced

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mannequins that used to show in shop windows.

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And I believe he was one of the first in the country

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to produce those things.

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And it seems like he might have had some money behind him.

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He was quite a neat gardener, if you like, but he used to say,

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"Well, this garden here would fit in a flower bed at my other place."

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And you thought, "Crikey, it must be a fair old place."

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These gardens aren't big, butt to fit one in a flower bed,

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you're talking some sort of garden.

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Time alone will tell if the team's gamble will pay off.

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But for now, their main concern is completing the tree.

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And there's one stem causing problems.

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Really, we've contacted most,

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or certainly people on most parts of the family,

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apart from Leslie, who is proving slightly more elusive.

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Yes, Leslie's children, we are still trying to track them down.

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Doris's brother Leslie was born in 1918 and died in 1994.

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But the team can't find records to trace any children he might have.

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There's Leslie, over there. Now, they don't think he had four children.

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Solving this last stem is absolutely vital to their research,

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as without it, they cannot be sure if they've found all the heirs.

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The worst-case scenario for us, on an estate,

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is if we've got unsolved stems. What we really need to do

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is get every stem up-to-date as quickly as possible.

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Because if we're not getting it up-to-date,

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it's possible our competition are.

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Finding heirs, however, is just one part of the job.

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The team also want the heirs to sign up with them.

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So Gareth calls travelling researcher Dave Hadley

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and arranges for him to go and visit

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one of the heirs they found yesterday.

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No, I think Marie is the best bet actually.

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All the other stems I've contacted or left messages with.

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Lovely, thank you. Bye-bye.

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Dave is one of the team's army of travelling researchers

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based all over the UK.

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His job out on the road is to make enquiries, collect documents

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and crucially, to sign up heirs.

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I'm on my way to try and make contact with another heir.

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Gareth has been trying to ring her all day,

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but it's constantly engaged, so he's asked me to make a call on her.

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Dave's meeting with one of the Doris's nieces, Marie,

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a daughter of Doris's brother George.

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And he's hoping she'll sign with the firm.

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-Mrs Marie Gibbs?

-Yes.

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I've got you as...

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As your father was George... would have been Doris's brother.

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So that makes Doris your aunt.

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Once they've run through the tree, Dave explains the uncertainty

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surrounding the value of Doris's estate.

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We can't say how much you're likely to get at this stage

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because we don't know how much the estate is worth.

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We know that she owned her own property at one time.

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But it turns out Marie might have some important information.

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They had this underwear factory as well.

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-Yeah.

-The last time I saw him,

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he might have been retired by then,

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so he might have sold the factory by then. I don't know. But...

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Oh, well, there might be a reasonable amount of money

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in the estate in that case.

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Perhaps the case might be valuable after all.

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Which means it's all the more important that Dave can

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persuade Marie to sign with the company.

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I'll show you the agreement and then you can have a read of it

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and give you an opportunity to ask any questions.

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And then you can tell me what you want to do.

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Marie wants some time to look over the documents.

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But things are looking positive.

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So I'll leave that with you.

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All you need to do is put that white copy in that envelope,

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it doesn't need a stamp, and post it back to us.

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OK, thanks ever so much.

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-Lovely meeting you, thanks very much, bye-bye.

-Thank you. Bye.

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For heir Marie, news of her aunt's death

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has taken her totally by surprise.

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It was just out of the blue. I didn't know she'd passed away.

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The last time I saw her was about 25 years ago.

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I used to work in a shoe shop and she used to come in to buy shoes.

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She was in her 60s then.

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But Dave's visit has brought back fond memories.

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When I was young, I used to go around her house

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and see her up the high road.

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Very nice person.

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She had no children, but, er, she was, you know, a lovely lady.

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Dave leaves Marie to think things over.

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The question of whether she will sign

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might still be hanging in the balance,

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but there's no more he can do.

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I think that's me finished for the day now, so...

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going to make my way home.

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And back in the office, Gareth has made his own breakthrough

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with Doris's brother Leslie, who he's been struggling to trace.

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I've just had a phone call from one of the potential heirs.

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And they've very kindly filled in quite a lot of blanks.

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It appears that Leslie probably only had two children,

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and his wife had two children from a previous marriage,

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so that might be why we're really struggling to identify, er,

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firstly his marriage and secondly the issue of it.

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Because if the mother's been previously married

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then it's not going to be as obvious.

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This means Gareth and the team now have the vital information

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they need to completely the tree.

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A few days later, Doris's niece Marie

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has looked through the paperwork Dave left with her

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and decided to sign up to allow the company

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to help her claim her share of the inheritance

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in return for an agreed percentage.

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And Marie is just one of the many heirs on this case.

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We were able to establish that there are 21 heirs involved in this.

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18 nephews and nieces, and some great-nephews and nieces as well.

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But from the moment they began working this case,

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one question has hung over them. How much is the estate actually worth?

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Well, Gareth has finally been able to establish the value,

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and it's very good news.

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We slowly discovered that this estate potentially had a much greater value.

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In fact, er, the value is so large,

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it changed the job completely.

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Doris's estate is worth a whopping £500,000

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which means the team's gamble has paid off

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and the 21 heirs should each receive a sizable inheritance.

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Heir-hunting film Finders were on the trail of the £270,000 estate

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of Derek Lynsdale, who had been born in Burma

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and who had died in the UK in October 2010.

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Case manager Ryan had quickly established that

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any heirs to this estate would come through Derek's father's family.

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With the fact that there wasn't any active stems

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on the maternal side of the family,

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that led us to put all our resources into the paternal side,

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trying to find a lead and trying to find a beneficiary,

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hopefully, on that side of the family.

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Having established that Derek's father George had two brothers,

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the team are on the hunt for any children THEY might have.

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As the family were Anglo-Indians based in Burma,

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to trace them, the team are relying on Burmese records up to 1937

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held by the British Library.

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On the active lines on the paternal side of the family

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we were actually able to find three cousins,

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all born prior to 1937,

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after which the records in Burma stop.

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Baptism records reveal that Derek's uncle Clement

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had one daughter, Susan,

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and his uncle William had two children.

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It was a great start,

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but tracing any records beyond that of their birth

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was going to be a tricky task.

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Because the records end in 1937,

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we knew that we had to go to alternative resources

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in order to find out what happened to them and where they may be.

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And narrowing down where to look was not going to be easy,

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as the dramatic events in Burma the following decade

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would mean that the heirs could now be anywhere in the world.

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In late December 1941,

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the Japanese invaded Burma from the east,

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from Thailand, which was then called Siam.

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This was a part of a general Japanese advance into south-east Asia.

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With no capacity to defend Burma,

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the British retreated almost immediately.

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After abandoning Rangoon first and working their way up through Burma,

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they destroyed everything in their wake.

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They destroy the electricity generating station in Rangoon.

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They destroy railway lines, they destroy railway bridges,

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they destroy the oil wells of central and northern Burma.

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Everything they possibly can, they want to deny to the Japanese.

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So the amount of destruction is very, very substantial.

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Their last act is to open the gates of the prison and the lunatic asylum.

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Well, first of all you can't leave prisoners and lunatics locked up,

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but also it causes trouble for the incoming Japanese.

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For British and Anglo-Indian families such as Derek's,

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they needed to get out, and fast.

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When the Japanese attack them - there is a bombing of Rangoon

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actually on Christmas Day of 1941 -

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there is an evacuation of the European population.

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I mean, clearly women and children sort of first,

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but then increasingly the whole population.

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Some got out by ship,

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a few, the most senior people, would eventually fly out.

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Um, but some people actually had to walk out.

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At least, they got trains up into northern Burma and walked from there.

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But what impact did this event have on Derek's family?

0:38:040:38:08

The team knew Derek had made his way over to England

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at some stage in his life, but what of his cousins?

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It seemed very unlikely

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that they would have stayed in Burma beyond 1941,

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so case manager Ryan knew he would have to widen his search.

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We assumed that the family could have gone anywhere in the world

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to get away from what was happening.

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And as a specialist, he knew exactly where to start.

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That overseas research, you're largely referring

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to passenger lists which are very, very useful in finding out

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which ports certain people passed through

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and where people may be emigrating to.

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The team were in luck.

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They unearthed a passenger record for Derek's uncle William

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showing that when he left Burma, he headed for Australia.

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If his descendents were still there,

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this could be just the breakthrough they needed.

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Due to data restrictions in Australia

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it's hard to search through vital indexes

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that may have been relatively recent.

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It's also harder to search through recent electoral registers.

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Luckily in this case we were able to find an obituary record

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for the uncle, which led us to his children in Australia.

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This was great news. By tracing William's two children,

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the team had found their first heirs.

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But the search did not end there,

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as they still needed to track down Derek's other cousin, Susan.

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The paternal uncle Clement actually ended up in the UK,

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we were able to find incoming passenger list

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that suggested that he boarded over here.

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Once we knew that Clement Lynsdale had entered the UK,

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we knew that we could look for a death entry for him.

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Lynsdale is a very uncommon surname.

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The easiest thing for us to do was to find his death entry,

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to apply for his death certificate, and hopefully,

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somebody in his family would be listed as the informant.

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Luckily we found out that his daughter was listed as the informant

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on his death certificate, which enabled us to track her down

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and let her know that she's going to be due some money

0:40:120:40:15

from her cousin's estate.

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For Derek's cousin Susan, the news came completely out of the blue.

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I was quite...

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gobsmacked. Because it never occurred to me that

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I would inherit anything.

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I mean, I had no idea about Derek, whether he was alive

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or what, so it was a surprise.

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I would say that from my memories of him as a child,

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he had no malice in him at all.

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Derek was always known in the family as being very quiet

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and very much under his mother's influence,

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and as far as we knew, had never married.

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He and his parents bought a house in Welling,

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where he still lived after they both died.

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Being contacted by the Heir Hunters has caused Susan to reflect on

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her early childhood spent in Burma with her cousin Derek.

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From what I can remember of Burma, it was lovely.

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Er...you know,

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the Burmese are laid-back people, really,

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very relaxed. I never had any angst. First time I really...

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Which I suppose is what shook me so much, was when we were bombed.

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And suddenly this lovely idyllic childhood world

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was totally shattered. When it happened,

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obviously it was a huge, complete traumatic experience,

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and I still remember it vividly.

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I remember my parents had sent me to stay with my grandparents

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because they lived out in the suburbs

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and so they thought, "Quite safe, nothing will happen there."

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Unfortunately, this was not the case,

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and when the house next door to her grandparents'

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was completely destroyed by a Japanese bomb,

0:42:040:42:06

six-year-old Susan had a narrow escape.

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Grandfather looked around for me and found me

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underneath the dining-room table

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with a wodge of envelopes in my mouth,

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because you were told,

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have something, so that you don't bite your tongue.

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After such a terrifying experience,

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Susan and her parents fled Burma, first to India,

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and then later to England, where they settled.

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And that's why Ryan and his team tracked her down.

0:42:330:42:36

What was really nice about this case was it had a really interesting

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and quite full family history.

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It was a very intriguing case

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and we were actually able to put the cousins in touch with each other

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from the other side of the world.

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I had always assumed that we were a small family,

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I'd never met any of the others, had no idea about them.

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You know, I feel, this is wonderful.

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I've found a family I never knew I had.

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