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For most of her life, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
Muriel Gill lived in the northern seaside town of Blackpool. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
Today, the heir hunters are getting to grips | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
with her complex family tree. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
We could be going down to another generation. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
So, we could be ending up signing half of Lancashire up on this estate. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
And they make an extraordinary discovery. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
You see that and you think, can it be true? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Two brothers die on the same day when they're different ages, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
just, to me, it just seems like something that just doesn't happen. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
It's going to be a busy day for the heir hunters | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
with two challenging cases to crack. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Today, we learn about one of | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
the world's most successful collaborations | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
in motorcar history. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Charles Rolls, Henry Royce. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Two very different characters, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
and they formed this relationship that would become Rolls-Royce. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
And the heir hunters uncover | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
the glamorous magic of Blackpool in the 1950s. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
When you think that the ladies who were in the box office | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
were selling 6,000 tickets a night throughout the summer, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
it was quite amazing, really. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
Could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
In London, all hands are on deck to solve an urgent case | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
at heir hunting firm Fraser & Fraser. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
The details have just come in via a private referral | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and are being handled by senior case manager Dave Slee. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Muriel Gill is the deceased. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
She died last month in Blackpool, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
so in March 2014...in Blackpool. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Because Muriel died so recently, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
this could prove to be a difficult case for Dave. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Initially, I was a bit sceptical about researching the matter | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
because it's not been referred to the Duchy of Lancaster | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
who would deal with all intestacies of people dying, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
obviously, in Lancashire. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
I don't know why they haven't referred the matter | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
that had come out in a wash. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
Dave is concerned that the case hasn't been referred | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
because it's not of any value. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
But he's taking a leap of faith | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
and putting a big team onto the research. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
At the moment, my main consideration, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
let's find heirs, and worry about that later on. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Muriel Gill was born in Rawtenstall, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
a small town in the Rossendale Valley, in Lancashire. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Known to her friends as Rita, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
her friendly manner made her stand out from the crowd. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Rita was very, what you call, warm personality. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Very bubbly, outgoing. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Loved the work, loved music, loved life, really. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
That's what I'd say about Rita. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
She absolutely loved life, every minute of it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
At a very early age, Muriel developed a passion for music. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
She fell in love with the accordion | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
and would play it for anyone who would listen. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Rita was a very accomplished accordionist. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
And she could do it supporting herself, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
play for other people, play for dancing, play for anything. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
If you heard Rita, you'd think, what a great player, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
what a lovely sound. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
After moving to Blackpool in her younger days, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
and living there happily for most of her life, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
she left a lasting impression on everyone she met. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
She was a very jolly person and... | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
she was what I call... | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
..a mummy-type of lady, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
because she was always smiling | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
and she was always very nice to say hello to or good evening to. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
She was an attractive lady | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
and she had quite a few friends | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
that used to go to the house to visit her. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Very sweet person. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
And...I'm sorry I didn't get to know her better over the years. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
Sadly, Muriel passed away on 23rd March 2013 | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
at the nearby Haddon Court nursing home, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
where she'd lived for the last two years. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
In the office, case manager Dave Slee is beginning the search | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
for heirs to her estate. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
In doing so, he's taking a calculated risk. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
Right, where am I? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
It transpires that she did own a property | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
which was sold just prior to her death for 95,000, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:37 | |
would indicate that the majority of those funds | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
are probably still intact. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
So, it's, from our point of view, makes sense to work this estate. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
It's seeming more and more likely to Dave | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
that the case could be of high value, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and as a result, the threat of competition is ever present. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Let me have a quick word with Charlie... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
The team have to move quickly, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
so Dave sends out his travelling researcher | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
to make enquiries on the ground. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Hello, Charlie. Sorry to trouble you. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
Um, just to give you an update, really. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
The, there's two certificates been ordered ready for you to pick up. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
Do you know when they're...? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
You can pick them up before 4.30, so OK. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
With the travelling researcher out on the road, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
the team in the office get to work. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
And it's not long before they start making progress. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
Muriel, the deceased... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Maiden name was Marshall. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
She was married to an Arthur Gill | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
and...Mr Gill died prior to the deceased | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
and they had no issue. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
Muriel Marshall married Arthur Gill in January 1952 | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
in Haslingden, Lancashire. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
The team's next job is to search for | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
any brothers and sisters Muriel may have had. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Muriel born in 1929 in Lancashire | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
and she looks to be the only child of a William and Nellie Elmer. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
We don't believe that there is any near kin. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
So, the deceased had no brothers and sisters | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
or nieces and nephews. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
And though she was married, she had no children herself. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Without any children or siblings to inherit, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
the search now has to move up a generation | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
to look for aunts or uncles | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
on both the mother's and father's side of the tree. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
OK, at the moment... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
I have both Jess and Joseph looking at this estate. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:25 | |
They're trying to identify heirs on the maternal family | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
because that's the better of the two names. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
Muriel's parents were Nellie Elmer and William Marshall. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
As Elmer is an unusual name, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
the team are hoping to locate records on that family more quickly. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
Could we just have a look to see... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
how many births there are of Elmers in Haslingden post '11. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
With a bit more digging, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
the team quickly track down a record of the family on the 1911 census. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
On the census, it appears... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
that she has at least two other siblings. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
So, there's two maternal... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Er, one maternal aunt, one maternal uncle to the deceased. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Er, we're trying to establish if there are any other, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
what we would call top line, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
any other maternal aunts and uncles. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
As the team continue searching for aunts and uncles | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
on Muriel's mother's side of the tree, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Dave gets some news back from his | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
travelling researcher in Blackpool. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
He's just undertaken the enquiry at the deceased's former property. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
He's had no joy there | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
but he will go back and talk to some of the neighbours, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
who, I understand, did know the deceased. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
The team are getting closer to speaking to people | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
who knew Muriel first-hand. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
And with the family tree coming together, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
things are looking promising. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
It looks like there's value... | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
and on the face of it, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
it looks like there'll probably be heirs. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
More than likely cousins or the children of cousins. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
And it doesn't take long before | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
the team manage to track down contact details | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
for their first potential beneficiary. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
So, Jess has been a superstar. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
She's found the first heirs. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
-Um...first cousin? -Uh-huh. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
So, as we suspected, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
the closest heirs to the deceased are first cousins | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
and, so far, we've identified maternal first cousins. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
The team have established that Muriel's maternal grandparents, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Edward Elmer and Grace Elizabeth Hartley | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
married in 1875. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
They went on to have three children, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
including Muriel's mother, Nellie. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
Records show that both Annie | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
and Albert had one child each. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
And the team have located | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
one of them. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
Dave gets straight on the phone to update the agent on the road. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
All right, well, we've got a maternal first cousin. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Um, there's still a lot of work to do. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Um...but, um, I'll give you that information... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
If Matthew is an heir, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
then Dave must make contact as soon as possible, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
and before the competition. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
So he sends researcher Charlie to his home address. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
What time span does it take from you to get from Blackpool to Rossendale? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Without breaking the speed limit. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
With the travelling researcher now on his way to visit him, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Dave puts a call in to the potential heir. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
I'm trying to trace a gentleman by the name of Matthew Hudson | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
who would've been born in 1934, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
the son of Matthew Hudson and an Annie Elmer. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Dave confirms that Matthew is in fact Muriel's first cousin, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
and he wastes no time in making arrangements to meet him. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
Our aim now is to locate all the beneficiaries, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
you being one of them, Mr Hudson. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
So, my colleague that'll come along to see you today, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
his name's Charles Lemon. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
All right, thank you so much for your time, sir. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Thank you, nice speaking to you. Bye-bye, bye-bye. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Locating an heir so quickly is a great result for Dave and the team. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
His information has really helped me finish, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
well, most of the research on the maternal family. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
So, this might be a nice little estate | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
that...we've stolen under the nose of competition. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
But it's still touch and go whether | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Dave's hunch that Muriel owned her property | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
will prove to be correct. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
We initially thought that there may have been an estate | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
because, of course, um... | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
it appeared that Muriel might have owned the property. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
An heir hunter's work can sometimes reveal | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
the most extraordinary twists and turns of fate. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Although case manager Ryan didn't know it at the start, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
his work on the estate of Alec Fisher | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
would do exactly that. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
Alec's case was privately referred | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
to London-based heir hunting firm Finders in May 2011, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
and was being managed by Ryan Gregory. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Initially, when the case came into us, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
it looked like a pretty straightforward case. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
We had a name, we had a date of death, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
so it didn't look anything out of the ordinary. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
The value of the case was unknown to Ryan at that point, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and he had very little information to work with. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
To begin with, we didn't have any documentation, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
we didn't have a death certificate. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
All we knew is Alec's name, his date of death | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
and his last known address, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
so that was the starting point for our research. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Alec Fisher lived in the railway town of Crewe, in Cheshire. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Having been born there in April 1931, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
he went on to work for the Crewe Railway Company, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
one of the town's largest employers. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Sadly, no photos of Alec survive. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Alec started on the railway in 1945, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
just after the war, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
and I started in 1954, just nine years later. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Well, over that period, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I think me and Alec were on the railway between us around 40 years. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Alec worked as a train driver, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
and passionate about his job, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
he was a popular character in the railway community. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
He was pleasurable, he wasn't a miserable person. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Er, did quite a lot of reading, railway books. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
But, other than that, very smart | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
and enjoyed life as he liked it. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Terrance remained friends with Alec for most of his life. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
In his 70s, Alec moved into a nursing home. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Terrance visited him there regularly | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
and the two often shared tales of their time on the railways. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
My lasting memory of Alec Fisher was | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
just before we went on holiday abroad. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Sitting outside the CLS care home in Manor Way | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
in his wheelchair | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
and he's out of Old Holborn, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
rolling a cigarette. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Happy as lamb, Larry the lamb. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Sadly, Alec Fisher passed away on 11th October 2010. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
He didn't leave a will and had no known close kin, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
and his estate laid unclaimed for a number of months. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
The first step for Ryan was to locate Alec on the electoral roll. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
This would hopefully show if he had shared his last address | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
with anyone else. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
It's important for us to see whether the deceased was living with anyone | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
because there may be a close relative, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
somebody that may have some information, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:25 | |
or more importantly, it's important for us to find out | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
whether anybody has a prior claim to the estate. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
Ryan and the team were able to trace Alec back | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
to an address in Crewe, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
where he had lived before he moved into the nursing home. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Until about 1989, Alec was registered as living with an Ada Fisher. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
Until about 2006, he was there with a George Fisher. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Ada Fisher had dropped off the electoral roll in the late '80s, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
and a quick search of the death indexes | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
confirmed that she had in fact passed away. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
We knew she was of an age that she could have been his mother, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
so we could put that supposition together. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
With relations of George Fisher, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
he was on the electoral roll much later, until about 2006. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
He was living with Alec, so, I mean, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
we kind of thought that he may be a brother of the deceased. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
The team put a call in to Alec's nursing home, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
who confirmed that George Fisher was indeed Alec's brother. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
They also told them that George had passed away, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
and when the team continued to look into his death, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
they uncovered some unbelievable information. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
We were astonished to find out that actually | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
it appears as though he died on the same day as Alec. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
I mean, you see that and you think, can it be true? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Is the information correct? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
Two brothers die on the same day when they're different ages | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
just, to me, it just seems like something that just doesn't happen. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
But, incredibly, it wasn't just the date of death they shared. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
They both ended up dying in the same hospital on different wings, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
and I believe that they really even, to the time that they passed away, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
didn't really have a physical connection with one another. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
But it does make you think about, you know, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
some more kind of deeper mysteries when something like that happens. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
It seemed that both Alec and his brother George passed away | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
on the very same day in the very same hospital | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
but died of different causes. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
As this turn of events seemed so unlikely, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
Ryan put in a call to the Treasury Solicitor. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
They were able to confirm George's death along with Alec's, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
and they also confirmed that both brothers had in fact died | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
What made things more extraordinary | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
was that the brothers hadn't spoken for years, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
and Alec had opened up to old friend and colleague Terrance | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
about it during a visit. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
The first time he asked me to find his brother George... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
..I didn't know why Alec wanted to find his brother George. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
You know, I hadn't been in contact with him for a few years | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
and I didn't know the reason why he wanted to get in contact. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Terrance spent 12 months trying to track down George, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
contacting every nursing home in the area. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
Little did he know that when the two brothers passed away, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
they were closer than they had been in years. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
When Alec's funeral had ended, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
the vicar asked Terrance if he could stay on and attend the next one. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
The brother George...come now... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
..in the hearse...so we did that. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Before the funeral, we had no idea that brother George had died, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
who I'd been looking for for all this last 12 month. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
And it was a complete shock. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
It was yet another twist in an already remarkable story. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
By the end of day one, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
we had gone from looking into the case of Alec Fisher | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
to looking into the case of two brothers, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Alec and George Fisher, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
who both died on exactly the same day. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
And the similarities kept on coming. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
A search through the marriage indexes confirmed that | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
both of the brothers were bachelors | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
and neither had any children of their own. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
So the team's next job was to see if they had | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
any other brothers, sisters, nieces or nephews that could inherit. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
We found a marriage entry for the deceased's parents, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
Thomas Fisher and Ada Smith. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
Thomas Fisher and Ada Smith married on 19th July 1930. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
At the time, Alec's father Thomas was employed as | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
a carriage cleaner on the railways. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
If you lived in the Crewe area in the 1900s, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
the railways were a popular career choice. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Crewe is home to one of | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
the most historic railway stations in the world, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
and it provided work for generations of families. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
The main reason that railways was established in Crewe | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
is the fact that it was an ideal place geographly | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
because, um, you could get from Crewe down North Wales coast. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
You get to the North up to Glasgow | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
and you could also get to Manchester and Liverpool. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
A few years later, in 1840, Crewe Railway Works was built, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
which was one of Britain's largest engineering facilities at the time. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
Originally, there was about 10,000 men worked in Crewe Works. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
And in there, they built steam engines from scratch. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Right from the wheels, the boilers, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
the wheels, the emulsion, the tenders, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
everything was built in Crewe Works. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
So, they started off with the basic metal... | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
Um...and ended up with a steam locomotive. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
It seems that working on the railways was a family tradition. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
Alec's grandfather joined the railways as a carriage examiner. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
The carriage examiner was commonly known as a wheel tapper. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
And he used to have a hammer with a long handle. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
If you tapped the wheels with a hammer and it rang like a bell, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
that meant that the wheel's OK. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
When Alec joined the railways, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:04 | |
he held the more sought-after position of a train driver. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Alec would've been conscious of his family history, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
being fourth-generation. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Alec's father had also followed the family footsteps | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and worked on the railway. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
As the railways boomed, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
generations of families enjoyed a long and secure career | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
during the time of the steam engine. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Crewe Works, as it was, in the early days, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
where you got 10,000 men, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
has now been reduced to 300 or 400 men. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
It's disappeared over the years | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
because they don't make steam engines any more. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Electrification changed the industry dramatically, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
but the town of Crewe will always be known for the railways. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
The team had found that Alec's father Thomas and mother Ada | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
had no other children apart from Alec and George. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
So their search was now focused on tracking down | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
aunts, uncles and cousins the brothers may have had. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Using the 1911 census, they discovered that | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
there was one aunt on their father's side, Gwendolyn. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Gwendolyn Fisher marries a gentleman called Percy Beastle. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Beastle is quite a rare-occurring surname, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
so we were able to quite quickly and easily find that | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
they just had one daughter. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
This daughter was the only paternal heir that the team could find | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
on the father's side of the tree. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
With the paternal side wrapped up, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
it was time to take a look at his mother's. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
We had to go over and do the maternal side, which is Smith, so... | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
Not easy by any stretch of the imagination. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Every year in Britain, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
thousands of people get a welcome knock on the door | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
from the heir hunters, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
who bring news of an unexpected inheritance. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
You tend to sort of think to yourself, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
"Well, I'm not sure if this is real or not." | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
So, it was quite a surprise. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vocantia list, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Could you be one of them? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Today, we've got details of two states on the list | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
that are yet to be claimed. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
The first case is Margaret Christine Weedy, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
who died on 8th June 2002 | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
in Camden, London. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
She was also known as Tina | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
and was born on 11th May 1923 | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
in the Republic of Ireland. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Her maiden name was Meely. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
Her unusual married name of Weedy | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
has the highest concentration in North Wales and Newcastle upon Tyne. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
Does her name mean anything to you? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Next, 91-year-old Kenneth Kitchener Lear. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Kenneth was born in Ashburton, Devon, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
on 27th June 1916. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
He died in the same county in Teignmouth | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
on 9th January 2009, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
and it isn't known if he ever married. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Whilst the name Lear is rarely found in the UK, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Kitchener is a strong British surname | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
originating from Lancashire. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Do the names Lear or Kitchener mean anything to you? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
If you know anything that could help solve | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
the cases of Margaret Christine Weedy | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
or Kenneth Kitchener Lear, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
then you would need to make a claim on their estate | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
via the Treasury Solicitor's Office. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Heir hunting firm Fraser & Fraser are hot on the heels | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
of heirs to the estate of Muriel Gill. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
While she remains a mystery to the team, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
in the 1960s, Muriel was adored by thousands of fans | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
to whom she was better known as Rita. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Rita and her husband, known as Reed & Delroy, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
were a superb musical act. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
They both played concertinas, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
they both played accordions. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
She was a brilliant accordion player. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
And of course, at that particular time, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
there was a lot of accordionists in the country. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Rita was always a very, very beautiful lady, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and it was a superb act. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
You couldn't not like Rita | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
because of the material they produced | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
and her bubbling personality. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Rita and Arthur were almost a permanent fixture | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
in the seaside town of Blackpool in the '50s and '60s, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
where they performed in front of thousands. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
In Blackpool, the beaches were full of deckchairs all the time, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
you couldn't move on the beaches. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
There was that many people here. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Blackpool was referred to as Lancashire's playground. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
When mills and factories closed down for their summer breaks, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
the workers headed in their thousands to Blackpool | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
to let loose for their two-week holiday. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
The reason Blackpool was so popular in the '50s and 60s, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
it was one of the very few towns in the country that had 12 theatres. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
Also, the Pleasure Beach and the Tower Circus. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
It was just a wonderful place to be on holiday. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
And the first thing people did when they arrived | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
was head to the box office | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
and booked their seats for the week in advance. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
When you think that the ladies who were in the box office | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
were selling 6,000 tickets a night throughout the summer, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
it was quite amazing, really. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
Well, of course, they had about 12 stage shows in those times, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
12 live stage shows. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
Each with an orchestra, full orchestra. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
And, so, you had quite a lot of musicians. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Delroy and Reed were one of the day's most popular double acts. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
They worked perfectly together on stage, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
and their relationship was even stronger off it. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
They were both extremely friendly and devoted to each other | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
and they had this lovely zest for living which was infectious. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
If you ever saw them work, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
they had a great infection about their...and affection. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
Peter first worked with them in 1974, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
and remembers their reputation for being consummate professionals. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
You know, they were almost indispensable. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
This was a time when you had a lot of acts around, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
a lot of instrumental acts, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
apart from the singers and the comics. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
But they were top of the tree. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Rita, I think, was the most jovial person really I've ever known. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
She was always full of life. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
Very...seasoned professional is what you could call her. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Arthur retired many years before Rita, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
but she carried on performing | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
and remained a popular fixture on the Blackpool music scene. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
I miss her personality and I miss her company. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Acts like that are very hard to find today | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
because there is no-one doing it any more. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
In the office, David and the team are busy | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
trying to track down heirs on Muriel's father's side of the tree. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
We need to research the Marshall side now. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
That's where the work gets that little bit harder. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Could be 10 or 20 on the paternal, we don't know. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Or there could be none all. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
Dave sets the team to work, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
and it soon becomes clear that | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
they're going to have their work cut out. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
The guys have been really busy with the paternal side and... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
it looks enormous. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
There's lots of aunts and uncles on the father's family, so... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
We've gone from what looked like a relatively easy job | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
and finishing it really quickly | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
to a job that looks like it's going to take several, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
it could take several days to finish now, so... | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
That changes the complexion somewhat. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Muriel's paternal grandparents were John Marshall and Annie Trickett. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
They married in 1895 in Burnley, Lancashire, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
and the team find entries for all of their children on the 1911 census. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
eight. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
Yeah, there's at least eight brothers and sisters | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
to the deceased's father. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
So, we have to account for each of those. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
It's a huge task, as the majority of Muriel's aunts and uncles | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
were born during the early 1900s. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
We could be going down to another generation, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
so we could be ending up | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
signing half of Lancashire up on this estate. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Determined to make contact with the heirs before the competition, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
the team quickly get cracking, and search for any surviving cousins. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
-Have you got anything to her? -We can't find a death. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
-Have you got a birth for them? -Hang on. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Yeah, it's June '38, Haslingden. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Man power prevails again, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
for Dave and the team think they've traced their first heir | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
on Muriel's father's side of the family. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
She might not be home. I'll give her a call anyway and see. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
-Don't do anything more on that then, Joe. -OK. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Muriel's father William had eight siblings | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
and the team have tracked down | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
children of one of his younger | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
sisters - Violet May. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
She had five children with her | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
husband Wilfred Riley. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Although three of them | 0:28:29 | 0:28:30 | |
had died in infancy, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
two of her daughters | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
were still alive | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
and would be heirs | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
to Muriel's estate. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
We're trying to trace the next of kin of a lady who died last month | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
by the name of Muriel Gill. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
And that you're the daughter of Violet May Riley, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
whose maiden name was Marshall. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
Well, that's good, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
I can breathe a sigh of relief cos we have got the right family. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
It's a great result for Dave | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
as heirs can be the best source of research, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
saving the team hours of work. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
She's given me quite a lot of information. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
There's still a number of avenues we need to pursue. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Trying to trace other heirs, but it's all coming together nicely now, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
so I'm very pleased with the research up to now. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
One of the many heirs David and the team have tracked down | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
is Matthew Hudson, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
a cousin of Muriel's on her mother's side. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
Matthew and Muriel were close when they were growing up, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
and he was always in awe of her glittering showbiz career. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
When she got dressed up for the stage, she was glamorous. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
It was just what she was meant to be. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
And it was just wonderful to see her there. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
It was entertaining. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:44 | |
Yeah, she was different. She broke the mould. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Muriel's career took off | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
when she and her husband Arthur joined forces in her teenage years | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
and they remained a double act until Arthur passed away in 2006. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
When Arthur died, she, it really, upset her. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
I remember one or two telephone calls I had with her | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
and she felt very lonely | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
and she found it very difficult. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
And I knew she had friends in Blackpool, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
but I didn't know who they were, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
and I couldn't make contact, so I lost touch completely. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
After two years without any contact, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
it was the heir hunters who finally informed Matthew | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
of his cousin's death. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
When heir hunters contacted me and told me about Muriel... | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
..in some respects, I was very sad. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Like put an ending to a story, really. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I felt very sad about it | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
and...but it helped me a lot to know what had happened. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Matthew has enjoyed reliving tales of his cousin's sparkling career. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
It was just what she wanted to do... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and that was it. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
It was everything to her was to perform. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
I think she had a wonderful life | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
and she really enjoyed it. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
After speaking to heirs, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
Dave and the team have been able to track down many more beneficiaries, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
and both sides of the tree are almost complete. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
We've now found heirs as far away as Australia, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
and as it stands, at the moment, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
we're exceeding 10 or 12 heirs. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
It's probably going to be 20, maybe 30 heirs entitled maximum. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
Er, but we've got to try and trace them all. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
That birth, definitely priority. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
That's finished, that's finished... | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
That, we know about, she's confirmed that. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Good, brilliant. Well done, guys. Good work. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Cracking a complex family tree so quickly | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
means it's been a successful day for Dave and the team. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
But even after all their hard work, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
the question of how much Muriel's estate is actually worth | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
remains unanswered. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Dave has been given the number of a close friend of Muriel's | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
who may have the answer he's looking for. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
Good afternoon. I'm trying to trace a gentleman by the name of Jack. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
Now, the lady I spoke to earlier said to me | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
that you knew Mrs Gill very well | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
and had dealt with her affairs. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
She was under the impression that | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
even though Mrs Gill owned the property, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
which has, which was since sold... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
It was Mrs Gill's house, I believe. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
It wasn't? Ah. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
No. Oh, I see. So it wasn't their property. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
No, because what we're trying to establish, sir, is | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
did Mrs Gill die leaving any estate whatsoever? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
No. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
No estate. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
It's a crushing blow for Dave. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
He was working on the assumption that | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Muriel's case hadn't been passed on to the Duchy for administration | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
because she had died only very recently. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Instead, it turns out that it's because the case had no value. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
Thanks once again for all your help. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
Really appreciate it. Nice speaking to you. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Bye-bye now, bye-bye. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
From our point of view, it's disappointing. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
The deceased didn't own her property. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
She's died...probably intestate, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
but not leaving any estate. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
So I've got to go around now mopping it up, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
and just telling everyone that, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
unfortunately, they're not going to be entitled. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
The heir hunters only make money once they've signed up an heir, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
and agreed a fee which is taken from the final estate value. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
If you'd have seen today, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
we've had, I've had staff all afternoon working it. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
We've been really busy doing that. Stops us doing other work. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
To find out there's no estate, but hey-ho, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
that's, you know, that's the nature of the beast. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
You know, next estate might have value in it. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
That's how we work. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
What may have been a disastrous case for Dave | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
hasn't been so bad for the family. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
When heir hunters told me that she'd died | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
without any money being available, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
didn't worry me. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
I wasn't expecting any, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
and it at least put a closure to things. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
It made me think about my own relatives. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
The family that we've got, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
and that we need to keep in touch | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
and just not let everything just fade away. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
It's an experience that has helped Matthew reconnect with the family | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
and relive cherished memories of his inspirational cousin. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
As I said before, she just changed when she got performing. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
It was her. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
And as she used to say, well, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
she's memorised over 200 tunes and music | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
and she'd just sit down and play. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
Wonderful gift. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:48 | |
Alec Fisher died on the exact same day as his brother George. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
As well as being a train driver on the Crewe railway, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
his death certificate revealed that he had also worked for | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
one of the towns other major employees, Rolls-Royce. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
At the beginning of the 20th century, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
the car industry in Britain was booming. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Mass production was taking off in France and America, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
and in the UK, two entrepreneurs joined forces | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
to create a global brand that's still going strong today. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
Charles Rolls, Henry Royce. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
Two very different characters. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
Charles Rolls, born into aristocracy. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
He was younger than Royce, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
he was an engineering fanatic. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
An extraordinary character with a passion for speed. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Henry Royce was a self-made gentleman, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
an engineering genius. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
And they met on 4th May 1904 | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
at the Midland Hotel in Manchester. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Fully documented, we even know what they ate, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
and they immediately recognised in each other what they'd been seeking. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
And they formed this relationship that would become Rolls-Royce. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
The pair wasted no time in showcasing | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
their first official Rolls-Royce motorcar. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
The first Rolls-Royce was a 10 horsepower | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
but immediately caught the world's attention | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
for its quality and its attention to detail. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
And then, later that year, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Rolls-Royce, in 1904, showed a range of different cars | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
at the Paris Motor Salon. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
The two entrepreneurs officially formed Rolls-Royce Limited in 1906, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
and chose Derby as their first location | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
for its car production factory. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
During the history of Rolls-Royce, there have been six homes. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
Today, you're at the home of Rolls-Royce | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
at Goodwood, in West Sussex, the sixth home. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
But, Rolls-Royce started in Manchester | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
and, of course, Crewe was a large part of the company's heritage. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
The Crewe factory was in production for almost 50 years from 1946, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
and it's likely that Alec retired from there. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Someone like Alec might have been a craftsman, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
he might have been an assembly line worker | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
involved somewhere in the production process. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
But he would have understood, whatever job he did at Rolls-Royce, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
that he had to perform at his very best | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
to generate the best car in the world. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
The Crewe factory was originally built | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
to build aircraft engines in 1938. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
After the end of World War II, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
the factory began to produce some of the world's most famous motorcars, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
the Phantom and the Silver Cloud. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
One of the differences that Alec would've seen in the '50s and '60s | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
was the production environment. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Here today, you see a spotless environment. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
It's very clean, very organised and very ordered, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
and I'm sure that would've been a little different | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
in the 1950s and '60s. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
But ultimately, it's the same quality of handcraftsmanship | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
that he would have had to been highly trained | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
to have understood exactly what the car should be built to, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
the quality standards it should be built to. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Today, Rolls-Royce produce around 20 cars a day, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
and last year they sold 3,500 cars worldwide. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
A record for the most cars ever sold in one year. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Alec would've been, I'm sure, enormously proud | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
to have worked at Rolls-Royce. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:20 | |
It would have said something about him. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
It would've given him perhaps a little bit of social standing. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
But it certainly would've said he's doing a great job. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Back at Finders, Ryan and the team were ready | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
to start searching for heirs on Alec's mother's side, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
but they ran into a very common problem. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
His mother was Ada Smith, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
and she had Britain's most widely held surname. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
That's every genealogist's nightmare | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
and you know, even before looking into a Smith family, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
that it's going to be quite tricky, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
quite time-consuming and quite expensive. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
After trawling through many records, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
they finally track down the right family. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
So, on the Smith side, on the maternal side of the family, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
there was ten aunts and uncles of the deceased. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
Alec and George's grandparents, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Samuel Smith and Leah Riley, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
married in 1907. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
They went on to have 11 children, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
one of whom was George and Alec's mother Ada. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
The team then had to painstakingly search death indexes | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
to locate records for each of her brothers and sisters. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Four of them actually died as children. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
One uncle died a bachelor, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
one aunt died without issue. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Next, they had to trace any children | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
those remaining aunts and uncles may have had, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
for they would be heirs to the estates. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
It turns out it was quite a lengthy process | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
to try and find beneficiaries, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
but we managed to find everybody. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
In total, there were 13 heirs to Alec and George's estates. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
One from their father's side of the tree | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
and 12 from their mother Ada's side. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
One of the first heirs to be informed of their inheritance | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
was Peter Smith. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
I didn't know of that side of the family, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
so I just thought they'd mixed me up and got the wrong person | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
and it wasn't till later, when we did a bit of digging, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
that found out it was actually my uncles. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Peter believed that he knew all the members of his close family, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
but had never come across the names Alec or George Fisher. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
It turns out that George and Alec were actually | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
my oldest auntie's sons, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
so it was my dad's nephews. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
It was strange to hear about uncles that you never knew about. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
I asked them if I could have a copy of the tree as they had it | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
and they sent me one | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
and I found out that the family was far more extensive | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
than I even knew. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
Thinking about his uncles did stir up | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
some old memories for Peter. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
The only thing I really remember is the house itself, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
that, because it was easy for me to get to, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
I could just walk through the back yard into the back door | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
and straight into the kitchen. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
TANNOY: The next arrival at Platform 5... | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
And it seems the railway connection runs right through | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
both sides of the family. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
My dad actually worked in the railway works, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
working on the bogeys, from what I remember, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
which is actually part of the structure | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
that holds the wheels together. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
I'm sure all the uncles that I knew all did work in the railways, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
and it was assumed that the majority of people...lived in Crewe | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
either worked at the Works or Rolls-Royce. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
The case wasn't only a revelation for Peter. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
For Ryan and the team, it's certainly one | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
they won't forget in a hurry. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
It's this story of the two brothers that passed away | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
in the same hospital on the same day, and it is unique, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
and, like I say, I don't think it's ever going to happen again. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
As well as being unique, this was a challenging case for Ryan. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
We managed to find everybody. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
Everybody signed commission agreements with us, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
so on that side of things, it was a good case. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
It feels very nice to have accomplished that feat, really, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
if you like, of trying to find that many Smith heirs. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
And the good news for those 13 heirs | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
is that the estates combined total | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
was a lot higher than anyone had expected. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
We didn't know how much their estate was worth. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
It then turned into two estates, and we found out, towards the end, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
that George's estate was worth about £34,000 | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
and Alec's estate was worth about £280,000. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
But for heir Peter, it had been about much more than the money. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
It was a little bit sad to find out someone had actually passed away. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
And I suppose even more sad because I didn't even know they existed. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
To be honest, the money's...not significant in... | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
Actually, I feel guilty excepting it, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
because it's from someone I never knew. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
The importance of this really is down to | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
finding out a little bit more about family. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 |