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Roger Lennon lived in the naval city of Portsmouth | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
for over half a century. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
The heir hunters are now facing an uphill struggle to | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
trace his family members... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Everyone's taking a branch | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
and we're splitting it up between the entire office. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
..and find themselves in a race to sign up | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
beneficiaries before the competition. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
And we want to get this done fairly quickly | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
because obviously other people will be sniffing around. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Coming up, we take a look at | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
the arm's race leading up to the First World War... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
The dreadnoughts were the most powerful ships ever built, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
with the most powerful guns and the most powerful engine. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
..and the story of how one town was transformed by co-operative spirit. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
All of those things really changed the face | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
and the fabric of this town and have made it what it is today. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
And we'll be giving you the details of the hundreds of thousands | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
of pounds -worth of estates that are still to be claimed. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
It's Monday afternoon at London heir-hunting company Finders | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
and the team are hard at work on a case that is an immediate priority. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
Well, we're working on a case. We've partially resolved it | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
but then it's... | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
all of a sudden been made public, so it's entered the public domain | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
which means it could be competitive and probably is competitive now. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
The case of Roger Stuart Lennon was privately referred to the | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
company over a month ago and they've already made some headway, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
but suddenly the pressure is on to crack the case - and fast. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
-Make sure it's right. -Doesn't necessarily look great... | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
We've done the maternal side of the family | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
but we've just had some information to say that | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
it's actually a higher-value estate than we thought previously, so | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
we're just trying to push through on the paternal side. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
Market trader, Roger Stuart Lennon was born in 1944 and spent | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
his life in the naval city of Portsmouth on the Hampshire coast. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Since childhood, he'd lived in this block of flats | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
with his mother Irene and the two were very close. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Local shop-owner, Brian Futcher, knew the pair well. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
Roger, we first came to know through his mother | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
and our friendship with Irene. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
In those days, I used to have | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
an eight-door street market behind my premises here. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
That was where Irene first hired one of our tables. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Roger was there selling his bin-liners and his tissues, and... | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
Very, very basic, limited items but he was still somebody that | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
people related to as being a street market man that was always there. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
They liked his honesty and the fact that he wasn't pushy. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
That market in those days was very much, I would say... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
had so many characters and Roger was one of them. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
Roger's mother passed away in 1970 | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and Roger often cut a lonely figure after her death. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
No photographs of him as an adult survive | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
but Roger was a well-known character in Portsmouth's markets, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
where life has changed very little since he gave up his stall. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
People have been here a few years, like, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
some of these have been here generations. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
I mean, I've been here, what, since 2002. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
I'm a newbie compared to some of these people. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
Yeah. Nasty. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
We're always having a laugh and a joke. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Always messing around with each other. Erm... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
-The comradery is second to none. -There you go, sweetheart. -Thank you. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
-Enjoy it tomorrow. -Yeah, I will. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
-...Going for, then? -I'll go for that one. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
I think you've got to have a strong personality to | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
work on a market stall | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
but it's just talking to people. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
Being friendly, being open and being honest. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Sadly, Roger passed away on the 5th of September 2009, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
without leaving a will. Since his death, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Portsmouth's markets have lost a popular trader and personality. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
18 for that... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
I miss Roger because, erm, yeah, there was only... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
There was nobody like him. He was an original one-off. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
A character that I was pleased to say that I knew, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
and I was one of his friends. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Before the case was made public, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
the team established that Roger was adopted in 1960. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
I just want to check in the census. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
Research also told them that he was an only child | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
and had never married or had children of his own. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
As a result, they've tracked down two heirs on his mother's | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
side of the family | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
but the urgency in solving the case has suddenly increased, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
with the news that Roger's estate is now thought to be worth £130,000. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
As soon as we find out a case is of higher value, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
it becomes more competitive. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
The intensity is just going to increase a bit | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and you've just got to try and find people before everybody else. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
Roger's adoptive parents were Thomas Patrick Lennon and Irene Kinshot, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
and it's Roger's father's family that the search now turns to. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
-Patrick... -This guy. -..of Portsmouth. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Using the 1911 census, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
the team have traced what looks like the right family | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
and it seems Thomas' parents, Thomas Patrick Lennon | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
and Rose Anne Duffy, had another eight children. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
What's the occupation? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
But there's a concern that on the census | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
the births for the family appear to be all over the country. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Medway, Portsmouth... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
And as they look deeper into the case, they find a vital clue. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
-Chatham? Is it the navy again? -Could be navy. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
-That's his death. -Oh, OK. They merged his document. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
-Shipwright. So that's why. -Yes, so they're shipbuilders. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
The father is a shipbuilder so that's why. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
When you look on the 1911 census, the children are born all over. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
You've got births in Durham, births in Yorkshire, Kent, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
and they settle in Hampshire, which, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
as you can imagine, Hampshire is one of the main dockyard areas. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
Roger's father, John Patrick Lennon, moved his wife and | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
young family to Portsmouth when he took a job in the town's dockyard. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
It was during a crucial period in shipbuilding. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
By 1905 there had been an enormous investment | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
in new technology in order to make the Royal Navy | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
the most powerful navy in Europe. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
For men like John, their shipwright skills were in high demand | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and one ship manufactured in Portsmouth at the time was to | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
change the face of marine warfare. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
In 1906 they started building the first dreadnought. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
The dreadnoughts were the most powerful ships ever built, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
with the most powerful guns and the most powerful engines. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Meaning, as a shipwright, Patrick had a vital job. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Well, the dreadnought, at this time, it signalled that | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Britain was leading the world in technology. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Patrick Lennon would have been proud to have been | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
working in Portsmouth dockyard, building up the Navy in this | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
really crucial time, leading up to the First World War. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
It was a busy time for Britain's dockyards | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
and relocating regularly was common for shipwrights. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
The probability is that Patrick would have followed wherever | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
there were jobs, so if there was a boom in the north-east | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
he would have gone for work there | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
but when there was a boom within | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
naval shipbuilding in the dockyards then he would have gone there | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
because that probably offered him more long-term employment. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Now the team know Roger's paternal grandfather's profession, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
it has a direct impact on their search. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
The fact that Patrick would have worked in many different ports | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
means that Rose would have given birth to the couple's | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
children wherever he was working. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
-Got anything? -We are probably focusing on Hampshire, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
where they were born in Kent. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Confident that they now have the right family, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
the team continue to investigate Roger's eight uncles and aunts. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
-We're just trying to work out, make sure it's right. -It doesn't... | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
Under pressure to solve the case fast, boss Daniel has to take action | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
in an attempt to stay ahead of the competition. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
This is quite late in the day now. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
What we're going to do is spread out the work amongst | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
a few people here. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
So, everyone's taking a branch | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
and we're splitting it up between the entire office, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
to see how fast we can start descending the paternal side. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Can we do a quick check to make sure there aren't any born after 1911? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
With any luck, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
any competition is still trying to look at the maternal side | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
because the surname is much easier and if we're lucky we'll have | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
time to catch up on the paternal side before anybody else gets there. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Cox, can I give you a...? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
And Daniel's plan seems to be coming to fruition, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
as the various stems begin to unravel. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Kathleen I, surname Lennon. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
Father - Thomas Patrick. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
With plenty of leads to follow. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
I have the stem of Margaret Lennon to try and descend. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
The name I'm looking at is James Lennon, born 1905. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
I have Rose Mary Lennon. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
She's got a middle name, so it's better than some of the others | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
-that we've got to work with. -Disappeared off somewhere else. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
The team's research has led them to believe | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
that the family moved to Hampshire in the early 1900s | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
and possibly ended up in Portsmouth, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
but one of Roger's aunts may have gone a little further. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
I'm looking at the stem of Kathleen. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
We had a look to see if we could find any marriages or deaths | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
and I couldn't find anything so I had a look at passenger lists | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
and it looks like there's one born in 1917 in Portsmouth who | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
then goes to New York in 1939. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
So at the moment that looks like that's what happened to her. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
And finally Daniel makes an important breakthrough. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
There is a paternal and called Annie Lennon | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
and I think I've established when she was born, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
and her marriage and her death and some possible children. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
It all seems to match up. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
The team are quick to follow up on Daniel's lead. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
It was 1923, Portsmouth. That's... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
The investigation into Roger's Aunt Annie opens up the search | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
and the team manage to trace some of her descendants. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
This is a huge step forward | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
and results in the first heirs being contacted. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-Receive this message... -Is he a relation to | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
a relative that we believe might have passed away? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
But tracking down Annie's sister Margaret | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
is proving more challenging. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
We're not having too much luck to be honest. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
The family seems to have been moved around quite a lot | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
and unfortunately she doesn't have a middle name so it kind of | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
limits the ways in which we can narrow down our search. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
She could, in theory, marry and die anywhere in the country, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
really, so it's not the easiest one. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Having initially planned to have the case sewn up by the end of the day, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
the team still have eight of the nine paternal stems to unravel. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
It's looking like an uphill struggle. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
-And we've... when we've done what we can. -We've done it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
We've descended one stem but for all of the others, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
the names are too plain. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
We need to order some birth certificates locally, first thing. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
And they know that the competition won't be far behind. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
The following morning, the team are up against it | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
and Ryan is still struggling without vital paperwork. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
We are really waiting to get some of the birth certificates | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
back today, hopefully. It will just help us | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
confirm some of the speculative research that we did yesterday. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
Up to this point, most of the information that the team has | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
gathered has been by crosschecking online indexes, but now that | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
they are speaking to beneficiaries, things are looking up. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Yeah, a couple of people have said | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
-that they called Margaret "Babs". -Oh, OK. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
-That's strange. -Yeah. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
In every search, speaking to family members is key, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
as they can confirm research and bring new information to light. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
You may think you have everything from the indexes | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
or from the research, then you may speak to somebody | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and there could be some additional bits of info. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
We are tracing some heirs to the estate of someone who's passed away. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
And Daniel makes the most of the information that has been | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
given to them by Annie's descendants. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
So, did your mum remarry then, or...? Oh, I see. OK. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
The phone call reveals that Margaret had married twice | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
and whilst her son from her second marriage had passed away, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
he had three children who could now inherit his share. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Is she in the local area? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
It's a significant development, as the team are now in contact | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
with some of the heirs. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
Who's in Portsmouth, at the moment? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Hi, sir, it's Ryan. Hi. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
And as time is of the essence, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
Ryan sends a travelling researcher to Gosport, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
where a meeting has been arranged with one of the beneficiaries - | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
Margaret's granddaughter, Claire. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
The details, yeah. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
While it's looking like a long night for the team, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
Stuart is on his way, aware that every second counts. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Can be big competition on this job and we certainly don't want anybody | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
to nip in and pinch it under our noses. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
That's why I've, I've... I've come down here very quickly. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:40 | |
There's a tense time ahead, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
as the team waits for news of Stuart's visit. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
In the course of their research, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
heir hunters often uncover fascinating family stories | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
that shine a light on forgotten local histories. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
The next case does just that. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
David Lancaster Hartley passed away on the 29th of December 2013, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
in Southport, Merseyside. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
He was 81 years old. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Shaquila Ajaru and her family lived opposite him. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
We first met David about five or six years ago | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and we met him on our local corner. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
The corner is somewhere that we used to go quite regularly, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
take the children for a walk. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
For Jake, especially because he's in a wheelchair, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
really enjoys local interaction with local people | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
and traffic-watching, which was something that he did with David, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
which was lovely. Lovely to see. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
How did you know that? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
It wasn't only Shaquila and her family that enjoyed David's company. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
David was quite an outgoing person, would strike up a conversation with | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
anybody that had the time for him which, to be fair, everybody did. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
David never mentioned any relatives. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
We did wonder about family because we did always see him | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
on his own, generally in the car he'd be on his own and... | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Just used to think he was a nice, retired gentleman. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
We didn't, we didn't know any other personal details. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
But Shaquila, Jake and their family | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
did share many happy times with David. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
My lasting memory of David would have been probably, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
maybe last summer... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
We were sat on the corner, all three of us, in the sunshine, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
just chatting and giggling, which was lovely. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
We're going to miss that little space of time where we shared | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
the little catch-ups on the corner. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
David passed away with no known family and without making a will. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
When his case got referred to | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
London heir-hunting firm Fraser & Fraser, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
it was up to case manager Dave Slee | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
to lead the search for his heirs. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
Mr Hartley's estate came to our attention just prior to New Year, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Mr Hartley having died between the Christmas and the New Year period. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
Like any fresh case, very little was known about David, and Dave | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
was quick to use the resources at his disposal to get things moving. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Hi, Charlie. How's it going? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
I was fortunate that even though it was over the Christmas period, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
my agent based in the North West, Charlie, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
was able to go straight away over to Southport | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
and talk with neighbours and friends of the deceased. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Dave had discovered that David owned his own property, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
making the case worth taking on, but one other | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
piece of information from David's neighbours didn't bode well. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
And they were convinced that the very nature of the deceased, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
this very methodical man, that he would have left a will. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Dave made some enquiries with the local council, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
who told him that there had been documentation from a firm | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
of local solicitors found in David's house. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
There looked every likelihood that these solicitors would be | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
holding a valid will. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
A valid will would have meant no case and Dave wasn't | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
confident as he waited to hear back from his contact at the council. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
Bearing in mind that the deceased appeared to be | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
a really fastidious chap, I was really surprised | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
when I got the news from the environmental health team | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
that the solicitors had no record of a valid will lodged with them. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
This was just the green light he'd been waiting for. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Dave and the team could finally throw themselves | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
fully into the search for heirs, and travelling researcher | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Charlie's work on the ground gave them a lot to go on. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
The information gathered from the inquiry suggested that Mr Hartley had | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
lived in a common-law relationship with a lady by the name of Audrey. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
The information also suggested that there were no children born to | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
that relationship and our research proved that was the case. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
Dave discovered that Audrey had passed away in 1994 | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
and the couple were not legally married. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Over the years I've noticed there are far more relationships | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
that are common-law than actual marriages taking place. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
It's a bit of a myth that people think as common-law partners, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
that they have a claim against the other partner's estate. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
That's not the case in law. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
As David and Audrey were not officially married, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
her family had no claim on his estate | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
but that didn't stop case manager Dave getting in touch. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
And when he did, an old worry came back to haunt him. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
The family of Audrey's informed me that | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Audrey had made a will during her lifetime at the same | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
firm of solicitors that paperwork was found in the deceased's possessions. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
So not only have I got the neighbours telling me that the | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
deceased left a will, | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
the environmental health officer telling me | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
that there's paperwork in the home to suggest he may have left a will, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
Audrey's family were also telling me | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
that they were sure there was a valid will. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Despite this nagging concern, Dave and the team ploughed ahead | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
with their research into David's immediate family. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
David was born in 1932 in the Todmorden registration district | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
and his parents married also in the same area. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
David's father Walter Hartley was also born in Todmorden. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
David's parents were Walter and Florence Hartley. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
At the time of David's birth in 1932, his father was working as a | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
grocer for the Co-operative Society in Todmorden, West Yorkshire. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
He was part of a movement that | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
changed the face of local business forever. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
The modern co-operative movement began here in Rochdale, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
in this very building. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
In the 19th century, co-operators got together to form businesses, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
to really change their lives. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
They wanted to improve things financially and their domestic | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
conditions, and they saw working together as the way to do that. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
Unhappy with the quality of the goods available to them | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
and the way that they were sold, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
co-operative societies involved residents of towns and villages | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
pulling together to run shops | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
and businesses for the good of the local community. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
The first of these was known as the Rochdale Pioneers. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
In 1844, for the working classes, it was a really difficult time. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
There was a lot of unemployment | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
and there was also an awful lot of adulteration of food, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
so, if you went shopping you were likely to find that the goods | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
that you bought were not of very good quality. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
If you bought flour, for example, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
it was likely to be about half chalk, and the weights and measures | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-were very rarely honest. -One penny ha'penny. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
What's good enough for customers is good enough for thee. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
But the Rochdale Pioneers got together to change that | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
and by setting up their first store they helped to make sure that | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
working class people had access | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
to good quality materials at good prices. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
All over Britain, co-operative societies grew | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
and flourished on the lines that had proved so successful in Rochdale. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
-Co-operation... -Todmorden soon followed Rochdale's lead. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
When Todmorden Co-operative Society formed in 1846, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
it was just a handful of people who'd come together. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
But it grew very quickly | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
and by the end of the 19th century, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
about one in five people were members of the Co-operative, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
and it had a turnover that would be equivalent to | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
14 million pounds today. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
And Walter and his family would have benefited from the changes | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
that the town went through, as the Todmorden Co-operative grew. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
For someone living in Todmorden in the 1930s, the Co-operative | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
would have just meant all the difference in the world to them. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Because of the Co-operative, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
they'd have been able to access groceries, foodstuffs, clothing, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
at prices that were reasonable and not exploitative. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
It meant they could have access to education. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
It meant they could socialise with people. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
It meant they could get access to new ideas because the Co-operative | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
brought people into the area from outside of the town | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
as lecturers, as speakers. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Walter Hartley was an integral part of the Co-operative Society, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
which has evolved into something still going strong to this day. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
We're here in Mary's garden, as it's known in the town. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Part of the legacy of Todmorden Co-operative Society were its | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
values and principles - embedding that sense of a community spirit. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
Part of all these growing initiatives around the town, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
they're very much here for you to help yourself. If they're in | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
someone's front garden, come along and pick it. Here in Mary's garden | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
she has hundreds of stories of people who've come and picked it, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
made soups and stews with it | 0:22:53 | 0:22:54 | |
and shared those around with their neighbours. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
As well as leaving behind this thriving legacy, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
the work done by Walter and his fellow members | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
of the Co-op Society has made a permanent mark on the town. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
There are scores of old industrial mill towns across the Pennines. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
None of them have the sense of vibrancy, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
of a community pulling together, supporting itself, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
either through growing vegetables like this or other ideas | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
that Todmorden seems to have. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
Having traced the Hartleys to Todmorden, Dave began to | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
look into David's immediate family. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
Our research showed that he was an only child, so there's no near kin. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
That means we then have to look to try and trace | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
any potential cousins on both his father and mother's family. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
With no idea how big the tree could be, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
there was still a long way to go. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people get a surprise | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
knock on the door from the heir hunters. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
It just seems a big miracle, so... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
You know, nobody thinks this sort of thing happens. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases on the | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list, where heirs need to be found. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
Could you be one of them? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Today we've got details of two estates on the list | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
that are yet to be claimed. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
The first case is Jacob Radinowicz, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
who died on the fourth of October 2010, aged 86. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
Jacob was born in Vienna in 1934 | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
but passed away in Enfield, North London. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
It's not known when Jacob moved to England, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
or if he had any children, as he died a bachelor. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
His surname is of Eastern European origin | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
but suggests he may have had Polish roots. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Do you know anything that could lead to locating Jacob's family? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
Our second case is Patrick Joseph Kavanagh, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
who passed away on the 9th of September 2007, in Orpington, Kent. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:04 | |
Patrick was 69 when he died | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
and was also a bachelor with no known children. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
He was born in Gorey County in the Irish province of Wexford, in 1938. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:16 | |
Patrick's surname Kavanagh was first used | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
by the son of a 12th century king of Leinster, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
who sent his son to study in Wexford | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and is a well-known and widely-used Irish name. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
Can you help to trace Patrick's relatives? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
If you think you could be related to either of these people, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
you would need to make a claim on their estate by contacting | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
the Treasury Solicitor's Office. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Do you know anything about Jacob Radinowicz | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
or Patrick Joseph Kavanagh, or where their families may be? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
Could you provide the clue that cracks these unsolved cases, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
or are you the beneficiary that stands to inherit | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Jacob or Patrick's estates? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
If so, thousands of pounds could be heading to you, or someone you know. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
On the hunt for heirs to David Hartley's estate, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
case manager Dave Slee, of Fraser & Fraser, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
was looking for any aunts and uncles | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
on both David's mother and father's side of the tree. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
David's mother was born Florence Hollinrake | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and she was one of 13 children. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
Hollinrake, though it sounds very unusual, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
is a fairly common surname in the area in Todmorden, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:39 | |
where the deceased's mother was born, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
so the research wasn't as easy as it would look on paper. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
Knowing they might have a mammoth task ahead, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
the team began wading through the records. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Surprisingly, of the 13 children, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
only two of her siblings have descendants alive | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
and we've located 14 beneficiaries who we believe would be entitled | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
to share in David's estate, related to David on his mother's family. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
With the maternal side sewn up, it was time to look into | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
David's father, Walter Hartley, and his family. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Dave turned to a dependable source of information. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
The 1911 census is a really useful tool to us | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
because it indicates not only who the children are living at home at the | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
time, but it also indicates when the parents married | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
and how many children they had, both living and deceased. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
Dave was able to establish from the census that Walter was | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
the fourth of five children born to Betsey and James Hartley. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
When the couple gave birth to their first son in 1897, records | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
show that David's grandfather, James, had an intriguing job title. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
James worked as a billiard marker and a billiard marker in those days | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
was a job that you did round a billiard table. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
You would mark the scores on either a board or some sort of | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
more commercial device. You would be expected to be reliable. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
You would expect to be able to handle money. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
And... but it wasn't a well-paid job. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
But James' work would have had to accommodate his passion, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
as he was a talented cricketer, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
playing for his local team in the Lancashire League. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
Todmorden Cricket Club is one of the top sides of the time. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
It's a very competitive club. It achieves some success. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
It has very good amateur players | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
and it's very highly-regarded in the local community as well. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
With all sport played on Saturdays, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
it would have been hard to juggle the two. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
It's difficult for anyone to play sport in the late 19th century. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
Most workers, at least five and a half days, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
some have to work six days. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
To play sport anywhere outside your own community, it means | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
you're going to have to sacrifice not just time, but money too. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
This meant that the idea of making money from playing sport | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
became more common. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
And by the 19th century you start to see many more | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
professionals in sports like rowing, in boxing, in running. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
And team sports were not far behind. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
By the late 19th century, cricket sides throughout | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
the North are starting to recruit one professional for their side. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
Somebody who can probably bowl very well. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Occasionally you get someone who can bat very well. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
Even more occasionally | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
you have someone who's good at, really good at both. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
In February 1892, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
James Hartley was recruited to play for Springhead Cricket Club as | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
their one professional player, known then as a Saturday professional. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
The Saturday professional is always | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
a man who has a full-time job elsewhere. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
It will be a legitimate job, but always these men will have | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
another job because they're only playing for that single day a week. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
And this explains why James might have chosen to | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
work as a billiard marker during this time. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
He could earn money right the way through the week, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
and then on the Saturday he could come back to his job in the evening. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Success and extra pay would have been very good indeed. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
After his cricketing career, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
James was listed on the 1911 census as a pub landlord. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
The census also revealed that James and Betsey Hartley | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
had five children, including David's father Walter. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
The team now had to trace the descendants of Walter's four | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
brothers and sisters. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Our research leads us to believe | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
that there is only one paternal beneficiary entitled. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
This lady will be entitled to what I believe will be | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
one third of the overall estate of the deceased. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Jennifer Cann, David's first cousin once-removed, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
is the sole paternal heir to his estate. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
When the envelope arrived it was a total surprise | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
because I had never expected anybody | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
to leave me anything | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and once I'd established that it was genuine, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
then the surprise was even greater. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
As she began to digest the details on the paperwork, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
Jennifer was able to turn to a family heirloom | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
passed down by her father. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
I recognised the name David Hartley because I'd read it in a book. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:46 | |
My father kept a little red birthday book and he was meticulous. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
He had put all the dates of birth in and it rang a bell, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:58 | |
so I went straight up to the birthday book to confirm that | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
David Hartley was in fact one and the same. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
22nd of August, 1932. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
But this was the only information Jennifer had. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
David's life has been a total mystery to me | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
because other than a name in a... in a birthday book, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
I wasn't aware that he was a close relation to me. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:29 | |
So, yes, I'm intrigued to know about what his life was like. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:36 | |
The news of her inheritance is still sinking in. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
I feel I am very, very lucky | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
to be a beneficiary of somebody | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
who I didn't know. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
And Jennifer can only speculate as to why David never made a will. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
I suppose he must have thought that, as he had no children, | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
that making a will didn't matter. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
To date, no will has ever come to light having been made by David | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
and we don't think there's a likelihood that there ever will be. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Which means another solved case for Dave. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
There was a lot of research but it's all concluded | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
and interesting to learn different occupations I didn't know existed. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
Billiard hall markers, that's a new one. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
In London, heir-hunting firm Finders are desperately trying | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
to trace heirs to market trader Roger Lennon's £130,000 estate. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:42 | |
There's a birth for him and he's on the census with parents, but... | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
The team have traced the two heirs on the maternal side | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
but so far they've only had success with one of the nine paternal stems. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
As the case has suddenly been made public, they're likely to be | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
up against rival firms, but the team have made some progress. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Travelling researcher Stuart is on the way to meet | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Roger's first cousin once-removed, Claire, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
who stands to inherit a share of his estate. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
We've travelled to Gosport in Hampshire | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
and we're going to see a beneficiary on the paternal side. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
The team are hoping that no other firms have been in contact | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
with Claire, but won't know for sure until Stuart meets her in person. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
-DOG BARKS -Hello there, Claire. -Hello! | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
-Stuart. -Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. -Come on in. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
As Stuart explains about Roger's life and estate, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
there's plenty for Claire to take in. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-Quite... -Yeah, it's quite involved. -Yeah. -It is quite involved. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
But his hurry to get to Gosport has paid off, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
as Claire signs the paperwork as the news sinks in. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
Totally out of the blue. I... | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
It doesn't happen to people like, like... | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
Everybody says, "It doesn't happen to people like me." | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
It's always somebody else, isn't it, that this sort of thing happens to. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
It's... It's quite surreal. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
Claire now has all the information about Roger | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
that Stuart has passed on. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
But usually... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
It does feel strange that he's only across the water | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
and the majority of my family live in Portsmouth | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
and that...I could have walked past him and not known it was... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
him. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
But there are still plenty of unanswered questions. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
It'd be nice to find out more about him and... | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
and what...what kind of life he had. Yes... | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Made me very interested in my father's side of the family now | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and to find out more about my grandmother's brothers and sisters. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
However, Roger's estate is now heading to the rightful heirs. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
I've got two boys in their early twenties that | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
certainly could do with some help, so...or a nice holiday. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
-Thank you very much. Lovely to meet you. -Thank you. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-Thanks, Mark. -Thank you. -Great. Nice to see you. -Bye-bye. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
-Thank you... -And Stuart can finally call it a night. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
It's been a very successful evening. Tomorrow is another day. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
It's frightening at my age, being out so late. I should be in bed. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
I should be tucked up in bed with a scarf on. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
Thanks to Stuart, the team end the day on a high | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
but there's still a great deal left to do | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
if they're to keep the competition at arm's length. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
The following morning, Stuart is straight back on the road, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
after his late night. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
We're in sunny Gosport but the sun's not out. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
But it's a lovely place. We're in | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
Alverstoke, I think it's called, this neighbourhood. Very nice. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Very nice, indeed. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
To the sea. Lovely. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Excellent. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
We're now just waiting for the office to call | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and I have a notepad at the ready, and we're just going to | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
hopefully see some beneficiaries of this big job. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
And we want to get this done fairly quickly because | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
obviously other people will be sniffing around. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
For the team in the office, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
their search now moves onto the remaining unsolved stems of | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
the family tree, and in particular that of Roger's uncle, James Lennon. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
James had two children, including a daughter. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Our main focus of work today is going to | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
be on the stem of Patricia Exton, nee Lennon. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
She was a cousin of the deceased and she passed away in 2003 | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
but she had nine children. We've got addresses. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
One of those is based in Scotland | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
but the majority of children are based in the Portsmouth area. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Ryan calls on Stuart, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
who's in place and ready to go. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Really just got seven heirs that we're dealing with today. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
Only seven? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
Only seven, yeah. So if anybody... | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Ryan has not been able to contact some of Patricia's nine | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
children and enlists Stuart's help. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
-OK! -Thank you, Stuart. -I'll get on with these three. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
Let us know. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
Bye. Thanks. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
The low-down is that we have seven heirs to see, | 0:37:54 | 0:38:00 | |
so I should be back in bed about four in the morning, I should think. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
Stuart's on the move with a full schedule. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
We're on our way now to cold-call on some of these beneficiaries. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:15 | |
Hopefully, they'll be in. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
It's a situation that has to be handled with great sensitivity, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
-as the visit can go either way. -He's a beneficiary... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
But every visit has the potential to move the case on and this | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
conversation with another first cousin once-removed is no different. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
Well, that was...absolutely great because he's given us | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
so much information about his brothers and his sisters | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
and he signed, obviously, the contract. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I've left him all the brochures. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
So it's been a really good, brilliant morning. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
-Stuart's on the phone for you. -Thank you. Hi, Stuart. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
As Stuart updates Ryan on the outcome of his visit | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
and passes on the information he's gathered, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
the pair coordinate the next part of their search. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
-Yes. -Because obviously, I mean, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
they're all going to talk to one another today, I think. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
Sadly, further cold-calls prove fruitless | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
and Stuart has to post the paperwork. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
However, back at the office, things may be looking up. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
OK, so that's good. I just spoke to one of the beneficiaries. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
She's confirmed that herself | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
and her sibling can be available to meet our rep together. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
Going to speak to Stuart and give him a run-down of what's happening. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:37 | |
Once briefed by Ryan, Stuart heads straight to meet up with Susan | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
and Shirley Exton, Roger's first cousins once-removed. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
A great deal is resting on this visit, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
as it's likely to have a knock-on effect on the rest of the stem. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -I'm Stuart. -Hello, I'm Brenda. -Lovely to meet you. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
-Come through. -Thank you very much indeed. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
He was 72 and he died in September last year, and there's no will. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
-All right. -There's lots for Stuart to explain to Susan and Shirley. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
Unless they go through the paperwork, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
the sisters are also happy to help contact other family members. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
-Do you speak to him? -Yeah, well we do, don't we? | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
-Yeah. -Have you got his up-to-date number, Shirl? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
-That would be great, if you'd ring your dad. -Yeah, I will do. -Yeah. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
-And after an extremely long day, Stuart is on a roll. -Hi, Chris. -Hi. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
-Nice to meet you. Oh, you're all alike, aren't you? -Hello. Oh, yeah. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
I just had to... | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Susan and Shirley's brother Christopher is | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
one of the siblings Stuart tried to visit earlier on | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
but instead had to post paperwork through the door. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
And... | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
-I know... -All Gosport. -Unbelievable, isn't it, Chris? It is unbelievable. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
He will now be leaving with signed contracts from all | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
the siblings tonight. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I wish, especially knowing now that he lived so local, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-that we'd seen him. -We could have been... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Even though it's an emotional time, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
the family are happy to hear of Roger's estate. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
It's good because everybody's got together, you know? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
-What a strange way for everybody to come together. -Yeah. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Because we don't get to see each other very often, so it's nice. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
And it's led them to recall memories of their childhood. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
We knew to Mum's dad Jim. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
-Yeah. -But we didn't know anything about Jim's family. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Because Mum was so busy bringing us up, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
she never talked about her family. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
You just don't think that there is anybody out there | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
apart from your immediate family. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
So, yeah, it was amazing. It's really good. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
As Stuart leaves the family to take in the news, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
there's one factor that Christopher can't help but think about. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
The person only lived in a five-mile radius of most of us | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
and we never knew. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
And surely at that age, his seventies, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
he could have done with some help, and we would have given him some. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
That's the sad side of it. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
His job done, Stuart can finally call it a night, and with the help | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
of Susan, Shirley and Christopher, the team will now be able to | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
contact the remaining heirs in the coming days. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Back in the office the following morning, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
the end is in sight for case manager Ryan. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
OK, that's fine. So, yeah, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
last line in the UK, four heirs, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
contact details for the four of them. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
So I'd say probably in a week's time, case pretty much done, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
apart from this line that we need to look into in America. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
So far they've found 28 heirs, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
all entitled to a share of Roger's estate, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
valued at approximately £137,000, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
and tracking them down has taken a monumental effort from the team. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
We kind of spent the whole week last week and extended hours, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
and a lot of the team trying to find people on this case. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
So it's nice when that happens. It's really satisfying to know that | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
the effort's paid off. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
And Roger's estate has ended up where it should be - | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
with his family. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:02 | |
Things like this don't happen just to normal, everyday folk, does it? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
-You know? -No. -You know, it's just... It's brilliant. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 |