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Alistair Richards was Cornish through and through... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
He was just a lovely man. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
..but the heir hunters are in Hertfordshire, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
in search of a missing link to his estate. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
It's an area where the children were born. To me, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
that looks pretty strong as a correct address. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Well, the neighbours have told me | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
that she works part-time and may be back in about half an hour. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
And, on another case, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
drawing up a tree means a family's long-forgotten secrets are revealed. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
The census showed us that the deceased's father had many siblings | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
and when we tried to find their birth records we found out | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
that one of them was the illegitimate daughter of the paternal grandmother. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Coming up - | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
the heir hunters' work leads us | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
to the hardships of the Victorian workhouse... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Victorian life could be so challenging that, if you're poor, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
pregnant and alone in the 1870s, the prospect of a clean bed, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
a reliable meal and a roof over your head could begin | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
to look like quite an attractive option. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
..and a Roman Catholic priest's legacy takes us back | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
to Manchester when it was known as the Cottonopolis. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
1913 was the peak of the industry. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
There were about 624,000 people employed and at that point | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
it was producing eight billion yards of fabric. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
And we'll be giving you details | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
of some of the hundreds of thousands of pounds' worth of estates | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
that are still to be claimed. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
In the London offices of heir-hunting company Finders, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Senior Case Manager Ryan Gregory and the team are hard at work. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
I'm just back from a two-week break, back in the office today. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
We've opened a new case in the last few days so I'm just taking | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
a bit of time to get my head around the names involved, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
what research needs to be done and where we need to go from here. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
This is the case of a gentleman called Alistair Newton Richards. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
He was from St Austell in Cornwall. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
The only information that we've been provided is that he died in May 2012, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
he was a bachelor without issue. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
We've been told that he didn't have any brothers and sisters. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
One thing that the team do know is Alistair Richards' last address. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
He lived in this stone-built terraced cottage in the village | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
of St Dennis, at the heart of the beautiful Cornish countryside. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Alistair lived by himself but was obviously highly sociable. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
I remember him as a bubbly person, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
a very smart dresser. He joined in | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
everything in the village and he was very clever. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
He could put his hand to anything, really. Really talented. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Well, his baking mostly was his talent and he did work | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
a while for the baker's that is no longer here in the village. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Then he would enter into the shows that we had | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
and win prizes for his knitting and his baking. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
I've been working here at the chip shop for 33 years now. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Alistair was a very regular customer. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
A few years ago, he started coming in every evening - | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
you could time your watch by him. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
He would have his meal, then we were sharing jokes and news | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
and he enjoyed that. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
And, as is so often the case in a small community, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
the church was at the heart of Alistair's life. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
Mostly, we got friendly through the church. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
We'd have fun, he'd see the funny side of everything, and we used to | 0:03:42 | 0:03:49 | |
talk about anything and I could say anything to him, so I miss that. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
He was just a lovely man. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
Yes, that's how I'll always remember him. Yes. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
Sadly, Alistair passed away on 3rd May 2012. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
He was 59 years old and left no will. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
The heir hunters have been given his case by a firm of local solicitors. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
They were informed of Alistair's death by a cousin | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
on his mother's side, Douglas Rider. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Alistair and I were pretty close when we were growing up. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
He lived in St Dennis and I lived in Wadebridge, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
which is a distance of 15 miles apart, but during the summer | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
I used to go over and just visit him. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Alistair idolised my daughters and used to teach them to cook as well. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
He made my youngest daughter's wedding cake. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
He did a fantastic job - | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
I didn't think a professional could have done it better. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
The way I like to remember Alistair is he was kind to other people | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
and helpful. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
After Alistair died, Douglas was able to tell the solicitors | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
all he could about Alistair's mother's side of the family. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
I've got a cousin which lives in Southend | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
and a cousin who lives in Amesbury in Wiltshire | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
and also there was a Karen Ferguson, which I hadn't seen for...years, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
somewhere, but I didn't know where. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Since taking on the case, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
Ryan has known of the names that Douglas provided | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
but he and his team still have to start their heir hunt from scratch. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
And even, you know, if you're given information - | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
whatever the source is - we like to verify it and independently | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
go through the records and just cross-reference everything. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
Ryan's team have quickly managed to establish that Alistair | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
never married nor had any children, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
so they must now deal with finding any potential siblings | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and start building the family trees. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
This is the fun bit, trying to figure out how much paper | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
you think you might need on one side of the family. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
I'm hoping that two A3 sheets might be enough. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
By studying Alistair's birth certificate, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
Ryan easily traces the parents - James Alfred Richards | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
and Margery Watters, who both died many years ago. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Ryan finds no details of any further children | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
so he moves up the family tree to see if he can find | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
the aunts and uncles who could be parents of possible beneficiaries. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
What I want to focus on today | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
is the deceased's maternal side of the family. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
His mum was called Margery Watters | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
and it's that Watters family that I'm going to be having a look into. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
He soon establishes that Margery's parents were Fred Watters | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
and Alice Mennear and they married in St Austell in 1904. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
By checking the 1911 census and the birth indexes, Ryan discovers | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
that Alistair's mother Margery was one of eight children. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
Four passed away in childhood and another brother, William, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
died a bachelor in 1986. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Margery's sister Ivy had one son, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Douglas, who brought the case | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
to the solicitors. Her other sister, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Mabel, had three children. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
It hasn't taken us too long to rule out beneficiaries | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
on two of the lines. There's another line which does have one heir. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
I've verified his claim but the main line of the family | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
that we're interested in at the moment is that of Mabel Watters. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
She married Francis Perryman. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
The solicitors are in touch with two of Mabel's children | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
but there is a granddaughter of Mabel that we need to try and trace. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
When he first received this case, Ryan was given the name | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Karen Ferguson by Alistair's cousin Douglas, who knew of her existence | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
but not where she lived. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Through the records, Ryan discovers that Karen married | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
in Hertfordshire in 1982 and has two children | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
but, in order to find her, he's getting help | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
from another colleague, Amy Moyes. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Her name is quite common, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
or it is now that she's married into a Ferguson family, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
so I've got her name, her husband, she has a couple of children, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:56 | |
so I'm just going to have a look on some of our databases in-house. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Quite often, we'll use social media as one of the many methods | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
we have to try and locate someone, particularly if we've got a teenager | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
or one of the heirs has teenage children. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
As Amy continues her hunt, Ryan turns his attention | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
to Alistair's father's side of the family. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The paternal side isn't finished at the moment, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
there's still a few people that I need to have a look into. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
It looks as though there's four active stems on the paternal side, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
not counting the deceased's father, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
so there's three aunts and one uncle who have living descendants. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:37 | |
One of those is completed already. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
The stem of Richard Richards, we need to try and find heirs on. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
Alistair's father, James Richards, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
was one of eight children born to Samuel and Catherine. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Like many living in the area, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
including Alistair's maternal grandfather, Fred Watters, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
James and his brother Richard were employed as clay labourers | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
in the china clay pits. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
China clay initially started its life | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
in the United Kingdom as THE ingredient to produce porcelain. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
As time progressed, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
it was found that clay could be used to improve the whiteness | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
and the smoothness of paper, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
it could be used in the manufacturing of paint, rubber, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
plastics, sealants, adhesives, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
So, probably every day, unwittingly, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
we either touch or even consume china clay. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
As the china clay industry took off, the need for a workforce grew | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
and a community of small villages emerged around the pits. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
The industry has been in Cornwall since 1746, so over 260 years, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
and it initially was very modest. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
In the year 1800, only 2,000 tonnes were produced | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
but by 1900 half a million tonnes was being produced. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
It was at the turn of the 20th century that Alistair's | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
maternal grandfather, Fred Watters, was working in the pits, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
when it would have been incredibly hard work. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Alistair's grandfather would have come up when everything was | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
basically handled with a shovel and even the rock was hand-trammed. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
It was basically all manual labour. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
By the late 1920s, when Alistair's father started work | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
in the clay pits, working practices had changed. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
Really, within the space of a decade almost, we went from | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
hands-on manual labour to the beginning of mechanisation. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
St Dennis is one of 12 clay villages and the so-called clay villages | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
grew up around the industry and there's a huge sense of community. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
The most Cornish of Cornish people will be found | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
in what we will call Clay Country. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
As Ryan gets to work tracking down Alistair's father's family, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Amy has made some headway with her investigation | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
into Karen Ferguson, the missing heir on Alistair's mother's side. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
There is a possible Hertfordshire address for her. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-That would be a recently married daughter. -Yeah, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
maybe she's married, yeah. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
We have several databases in-house. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
They cross-reference electoral rolls with other sorts of information | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
and so I used two of those combined to double-check. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
It gave me a hit on dates of birth, both for the missing heir | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
and for her daughter, and the area... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
it's an area where the children were born | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
and the missing heir also married in that area so, to me, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
that looks pretty strong as a correct address. Unfortunately, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
it's ex-directory - no telephone number. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
As Karen can't be reached by phone, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
the team send someone to visit her in person. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Hi, Peter? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
I was just wondering if you would be free to do a visit today. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Peter George is one of the company's travelling researchers | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
out on the road. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
It's his job to make enquiries, collect certificates | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
and, crucially, visit and sign up heirs. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Ryan is sending Peter to the address that Amy has tracked down | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
in the hope of finding Karen. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
But as he arrives at the given address... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Well, there's a car there so I may be lucky. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
..he still doesn't know for sure if Karen Ferguson lives here. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
If no-one is in then his visit could be in vain | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
and the team at the office would again be under pressure | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
to track her down. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
When there's no response at the house, Peter goes next door | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
to see if he can glean any information from the neighbours. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
OK. Will she be back soon, do you think, or...? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
There is a car in the drive... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
The neighbour confirms that Karen does live here. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Well, the neighbours have told me that she works part-time | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
and may be back in about half an hour, so... | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
It's probably worth hanging about but I'll report back | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
to the office anyway. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
And Peter settles down for a key part of his job - | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
waiting. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
Sometimes, the search for heirs can turn up fascinating tales | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
of long-forgotten family histories | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and our next case does just that. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
The estate of William Hunt was taken on by Fraser & Fraser's | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
case manager Ben Cornish back in 2013, when it was advertised on | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
the Duchy of Lancaster's unclaimed estates list. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
The Duchy of Lancaster is very similar to | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
the Bona Vacantia department of the Treasury Solicitor | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
but its cases relate solely to people who have passed away | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
in the County of Lancashire. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
When the estate was advertised by the Duchy of Lancaster, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
we were given a date, the place of death and the value of the estate. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
With the estate valued at an estimated £26,000, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
Ben knew that he needed to work fast. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
So, armed with William Hunt's date and place of death, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
he began his research. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
So, this is the death certificate of William Hunt. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
It shows his occupation as Roman Catholic priest | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and his last known address. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
It gives us information such as place of birth, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
which is good, so we can find a birth record | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
for them to be able to do the further genealogy, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
and the fact that it mentions that he's a Roman Catholic priest | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
suggests to us that he wasn't married so we don't have to then | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
look for records of a William Hunt | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
potentially marrying somewhere in Manchester. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Father William Hunt passed away on 8th November 2005 | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
in Longsight, Manchester. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
He was born just down the road in Salford in 1926. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
His lifelong friend, Canon Kevin O'Connor, knew him simply as Bill. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Bill was a very pleasant character | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
but he was also quite a shy man | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
and a very quiet individual. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Even from being a youngster, Bill was a devout young man | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
and displayed all the signs of being serious about | 0:15:01 | 0:15:07 | |
wanting to study for the priesthood. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Bill was quite academic and for that reason | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
was sent to study at the seminary at the English College in Rome. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
William spent six years training at the seminary in Rome | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
and was ordained into the priesthood in 1951. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
On returning to Manchester, he became an assistant priest, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
which is when parishioner Jim Rowan first encountered him. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
When I first met Father Hunt, I was greatly impressed | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
by his whole bearing. He was obviously a gentleman. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
I would say that Father Hunt's faith was him, basically, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
because he was completely selfless. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
William served 17 years as assistant priest in three parishes | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
and finally achieved his dream in 1970, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
when he became parish priest of St Anne's Church | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
in the Manchester district of Ancoats. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Father Hunt epitomised for me what a priest should be - | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
he was dedicated, he was always available | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
and, with all the strains and stresses of being a parish priest, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
he was always approachable. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
You know, and I think that's his testimony. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
He was very happy as a priest, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
always, and content with what he was doing. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
He was a lovely character, Bill. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
For heir hunter Ben Cornish, discovering that William Hunt | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
was a priest placed a seed of doubt in his mind. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
When I discovered that the deceased was a priest, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
it was a little unusual because I've always been | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
under the impression that when a Roman Catholic priest passes away, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
whatever estate he would have would go back into the Church | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
so I was a little bit surprised that this was an actual case. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
But Ben soon established that the priest's estate would only have gone | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
to the Church if he had made them the beneficiaries in a will, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
and Father Hunt never made a will, so Ben moved forward | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
with his enquiries, in the knowledge that this was indeed | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
an intestacy case. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
This is the family tree of William Hunt. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
We can see here that he's born on 3rd July 1926 in Salford. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
We would have initially looked for that birth record | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
and from that birth record we would have noted his full name | 0:17:21 | 0:17:27 | |
and his mother's maiden name. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
When we have that birth record, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
we would then look for his parents' marriage. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Now, his parents are William Hunt and Mary Walsh | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
and they married in 1924 in Barton-upon-Irwell. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
As we knew that William Hunt was a Roman Catholic priest, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
we assumed that he wasn't married | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
but that had to be confirmed later on | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
so we would think there are no... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
There's no spouse, there's no children | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
so we would look for any siblings | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
from the point of when his parents married forward. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
We found two - Joseph Hunt, born in 1928, and Mary A Hunt, born in 1930. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
We soon discovered that both Joseph and Mary had passed away in infancy. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
His brother Joseph died at the age of seven | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
and his sister Mary died just days after her birth. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
This meant that Ben would now have to search for heirs | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
through any siblings of Father William's parents, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
William Hunt and Mary Walsh. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
When we discovered there were no near kin, my heart did sink a bit | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
because the name Hunt is a very difficult name to research. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
It's one of the most common names. And the other name was Walsh, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
which equally - although not as common as Hunt - | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
is still quite a common name. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
We had to find the deceased's parents' birth certificates. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
Now, on the marriage certificate of the deceased's parents, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
we would have their approximate ages and who their fathers were, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
so that is something that we will use, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
that information we will use to try and find their birth records. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Once we found the father of the deceased's birth certificate, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
we were then able to establish who his parents were | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
and from that point we can see whether there are any brothers | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
and sisters of the deceased's father. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
These descendants would be the heirs under intestacy. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Michael Hunt and Catherine Martin | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
were the parents of William's father, also called William. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
He was the youngest of 11 children in the family. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
Ben had found their details on the 1901 Census | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
but on closer inspection he discovered something quite unexpected. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
The census showed was that the deceased's father | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
had many siblings, and when we tried to find their birth records | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
we found out that one of them was the illegitimate daughter | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
of the paternal grandmother. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
She was Mary Jane Martin. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Mary Jane Martin was registered as being born to Catherine Martin, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
in Barton-upon-Irwell workhouse in 1876. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
A workhouse was not the start in life that anyone would have wanted | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
but it was also not quite as bad an option for a pregnant mother | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
as it might appear. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
It's very easy to think about our own sentiments | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
about going in to a workhouse and feeling | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
oppressed, ashamed, lacking in privacy, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
but Victorian life could be so challenging that, if you're poor, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
pregnant and alone in the 1870s, the prospect of a clean bed, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
a reliable meal - albeit not a very tasty one - and a roof | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
over your head could begin to look like quite an attractive option. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
From the mid-19th century, campaigners | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
including Florence Nightingale pushed for the inclusion | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
of medical care within workhouses. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Considered by some to be the tentative beginnings of the NHS, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
it took many years to implement across the country, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
but in 1876, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
when a heavily pregnant Catherine Martin | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
entered Barton-upon-Irwell workhouse, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
she knew that she and her baby would be looked after. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
Entry to a workhouse specifically for maternity purposes | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
could make sense, because to have an unattended birth | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
is very dangerous, but also knowing that you would be attended | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
by a medical practitioner and that there was a certain set | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
of structures around you to support you at this particular crisis moment | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
might have appeared not the worst option that you could encounter. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
There was an additional reason for maybe taking the workhouse option | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
when giving birth. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
All medical practitioners in the workhouse were male | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
and in the mid to late 19th century there was much scaremongering | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
about the capabilities of female midwives. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Female midwives didn't technically have any training structure | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
or programme at that time, so it could be the case that | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
female midwives might solely have been trained on the job, which | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
was not necessarily a bad form of training - hands-on | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
practical training can be very useful - but it might be the case | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
that they hadn't undergone necessarily a course in anatomy, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
undertaken any exams or received any organised programme of instruction. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Male midwives would probably have undergone proper medical training. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
In order to secure a post as a workhouse medical officer, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
you had to have a certain number of certificates to your name, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
it could be an array of them but you had to have at least | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
two forms of qualification to be a workhouse medical officer. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
William's grandmother Catherine survived the workhouse | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
and, for Ben, knowing that the daughter Mary was only half-blood | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
meant she and her family were not heirs, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
as all nine other children were full-blood siblings of William Hunt, Senior. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
Once we realised that the deceased's father had so many siblings, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
we needed a lot of researchers to try and find what happened to them, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
to try and find records for them. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
We subsequently found out quite early on that they'd married | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
into the families of Walker and Chapman, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
which are equally as hard names to research. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
So Ben and his team had their work cut out | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
tracing the descendants of all nine of William Hunt, Senior's siblings. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
get a surprise knock on the door from the heir hunters | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
but there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
Could you be one of them? | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates on the list | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
that are yet to be claimed. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
The first case is Albert Bidjikian, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
who died in Redcliffe, Bristol, on 4th December 2002, aged 70. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
He was born on 8th March 1932 in Khartoum | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
in what was then known as Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
He was a bachelor. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Next, Joan Pollard, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
who died aged 73 in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, on 20th September 2000. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
She was also born in Chesterfield on 1st August 1927 | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
and she lived her life as a single woman. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
It's not known if she had any children. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Do you remember Joan Pollard? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
Do you know anyone that could help solve the cases | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
of Albert Bidjikian or Joan Pollard? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin - | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
if so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
In Hertfordshire, travelling researcher Peter George | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
is hot on the trail of one of the key heirs | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
to Alistair Richard's estate. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
He's been waiting for two hours outside what he hopes is | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
Karen Ferguson's house and has just seen someone come home. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
Hello, Mrs Ferguson? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:20 | |
Yeah, my name's Peter George. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
I represent a company called Finders who are probate genealogists. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
Oh, right. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
It's an estate we're working on, a man called Alistair Richards. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
It's Peter's job to inform potential heirs of a relative's death | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
but also to confirm their relationship to the deceased | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
and to encourage them to sign documentation that allows | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
the heir hunters to help them make their claim on the estate. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Heir-hunting companies make their money by taking a percentage | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
of the estate from any heirs they find and sign up, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
so it's a crucial visit. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
From what I understand, your mother was a first cousin of the deceased. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
-Is that... -Yeah. -Would that be right? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
So, if we go back a generation to her parents... | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
-Mmm. -Do you know the details of that? Do you know any details there? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
So my grandmother had two... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
..two sisters and a brother | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
-and it's one of her sisters was Alistair's mother. -OK. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
Well, he died in May 2012. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Oh, blimey, that long ago? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
The timing of Alistair's death comes as a huge surprise to Karen | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
but once she has time to take it in | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
and has talked through the paperwork with Peter | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
she eventually agrees to sign up with the firm. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
-Well, nice meeting you, Karen. -Yes, you too. -Thanks very much. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
-You too, thank you. -You'll hear from office shortly no doubt. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
-All right, lovely. -Thanks very much. -Thank you. -Bye-bye. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
You don't think that a long-lost relative is going to... | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
suddenly pop up into your life. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
To receive some money that I didn't know I was going to get is... | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
you know, is lovely, but at the same time it's bittersweet | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
because I didn't know the man and it was a shame that he didn't | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
leave a will and had no children to leave his money to. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
It's been a successful day for the team. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
But three days later Ryan makes a discovery that threatens | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
to turn the whole case on its head. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Since we were looking through the certificates that came in, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
we've actually established that the deceased appeared to have had | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
a half-blood sister. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
What we like to do is, when we're doing the searches, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
to rule out any closer kin, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:38 | |
we do like to do a search for any illegitimate children to the mother. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
We know that either parent was just married just the once, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
to one another, but we did a Watters birth search | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
and then we came across this half-blood sister | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
called Angela Joan Watters, born in 1936, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
which was sometime before Margery, the mother, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
actually married James, the deceased's father. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Alistair's parents, James Alfred Richards and Margery Watters, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
were married in 1951 and Alistair was born in 1953. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
His half-sister Angela Joan was born 16 years before him. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
We know she was born in 1936 so there's a possibility that | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
she could still be alive. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
Either that or she may have married and had children | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
so, if any of those instances are found to be true, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
then anybody on that bit of the family tree | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
would take precedence over the other people that we've found, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
so basically it's a priority for us now to find out what happened | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
to the half-blood sister and check whether she had any children. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
Ryan is under pressure to find out what has happened | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
to Alistair's half-sister, Angela. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
If she's alive, almost everything that has been done to date, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
both in the office and out on the road, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
will have been an expensive waste of time. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
He calls on a colleague to help search out any useful documentation. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
They need to search for any births, deaths or marriages that include | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
the name Angela Joan Watters. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Luckily, Watters is a fairly unusual surname. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
I've searched a couple of our databases, it looks as though | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Angela Joan Watters may have died a spinster in 2004. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:24 | |
The death certificate they've found matches the date and place of birth | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
but the surname is missing a T. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
Erm, it looks as though the death may have been registered | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
under the surname Waters so, I mean, it can happen sometimes if you've got | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
a surname, you know, for instance, with two Ts in the middle. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
The date of birth matches, the area is different. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
The family are from the West Country and she appears to have died | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
in Surrey but everything else looks good. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
But Ryan's investigations are not yet over. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Although it looks as though Angela died a spinster, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
we just want to double-check all the information that we have, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
go back through the residential directories that we have, make sure | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
that there's no children living with her | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
or anybody else that may have a claim. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Ryan's colleague Amy Littlechild is quick to find an answer. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
Erm, I've checked the residential directories and I've found | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
-her address. -OK. -It looks like she was there from 1983 | 0:29:18 | 0:29:24 | |
up to when she passed away in 2004. The only person who looks as if... | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
there was living there throughout that time was this lady | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
but she dies in 1995, Gwendolyn. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Ryan can now be sure that Alistair's half-sister Angela had no children | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
so there are no heirs to be found on her stem of the family tree. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
It looks unlikely that we'll send anybody out on this case today, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
just for the fact that it looks pretty conclusive that Angela | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
passed away a spinster without issue so there's no need to do | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
any additional research into the close next of kin. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
This is great news, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
as now all the team's previous research still stands | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
and the 19 beneficiaries are still entitled to their share | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
of Alistair's £55,000 estate. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
But for Karen it's about much more than the money. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
What's interesting is both of my uncles | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
I had lost contact with for 25 years, so as this has happened | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
they have been in touch, they've managed to find me, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
so now we are reunited, which is lovely, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
and I haven't seen my cousins for... the same amount of time. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
Yeah, so, you know, that's really positive. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Putting this fractured family back in touch | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
is a key part of the heir hunters' work, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
and for Alistair's cousin and beneficiary Douglas | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
this has been a time to remember his relative and friend. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
Alistair was unique cos he helped other people. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Very kind and helpful | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
and also he could do anything for anybody at any time. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
And he would. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
In London, Ben Cornish and his team at heir-hunting firm | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Fraser & Fraser were busy trying to track down | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
heirs to the estate of Father William Hunt. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
They've discovered that Father Hunt's dad, William, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
was one of 11 children - | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
nine of which were full-blood relatives, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
so any of their descendants could be beneficiaries. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
But Ben's job was also made more complicated because Father Hunt | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
died back in 2005, eight years before the estate was released. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
So, as this estate was advertised | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
some years after the deceased actually passed away, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
we went looking at the research and tried to find next of kin, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
found out that some of the individuals had passed away | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
after the deceased, meaning that there would be | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
vested interests in this matter. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
A vested interest is where a beneficiary who was still alive | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
when Father Hunt died has since passed away. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
With there being so many vested interests within this case, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
we either have to try and find the executors of that individual's estate | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
if he'd passed away testate and, if not, we'd have to try and find | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
their next of kin and if something had happened to them, you know, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
the chain would have to go on, so it makes our work a little bit harder. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
In total, Ben traced 39 heirs on the paternal side of the tree. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
One of these was William's cousin once removed, Eric Roughley. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
The family I come from is usually, I consider, quite small. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
My mother had one brother, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
James, which she never spoke to him at all. They had a family row | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
before I was born, something to do with my grandmother | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
but she never actually said what. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
My father had a brother called Peter who died in 1965. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
He had no children so there was just myself, my sister and my parents. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
Eric now lives in the Merseyside town of Southport | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
but was brought up in Manchester. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
He didn't know William Hunt but he had come across the surname before. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
Where we grew up, there's quite a lot of people called Hunt | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
and...that was friends with me mother | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
and sometimes she used to say, "You're related to these people." | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
They were sometimes mentioned as cousins or something like that. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
She never actually said how we were related except, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
you know, quite distant. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
They all seemed quite old to me as a child | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
so I didn't really talk to them much but just to say hello to. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Because I come from such a large family, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
I know all about me family, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
that I can't believe that somebody could come from such a small family | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
and not know about other relatives that might be out there. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Totally unaware of the size of his extended family, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Eric and his wife Irene are keen to find out more. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
I'm very curious about William's life. I've been trying to think of | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
all sorts of reasons why he would be interesting. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
Not knowing enough about that side of the family, it's very curious. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
I was checking on the date of his birth to see what he could possibly | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
be involved in. He was too late to be hung as a murderer | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
so it can't be that, so... | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
I'm really keen to know what it is. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
Today, Eric and Irene are travelling to Ancoats in Manchester | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
to find out more about their mystery benefactor. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Well, hopefully, we're going to meet a friend of William's | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
and he's going to tell us much more about him - flesh him out as a person. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
I can't wait. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
Let's see what sort of a life he's had and let's hope it's interesting. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
They're meeting up with William's lifelong friend, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
Canon Kevin O'Connor, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
but they have no knowledge of William's Roman Catholic connections. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
-Hello, good afternoon. -How do you do? -My name's Eric, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
-this is Irene. -Pleased to meet you. -I'm William's first cousin. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
-Canon Kevin O'Connor. -How do you do? -Friend of Bill's. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
I would be delighted to tell you anything that I can about him. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
I'm curious to find out what sort of connection Bill had with this church. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
Bill was a Roman Catholic priest. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
He was a very good preacher. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
He was very clear in what he had to say and he wasn't one who went on | 0:35:01 | 0:35:07 | |
for a long time, he was well able to make the points he wanted to make | 0:35:07 | 0:35:13 | |
clearly and quite briefly. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
-I know who you take after now! -ERIC LAUGHS | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
That is surprising actually | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
because all my family are Church of England. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Bill was born a Catholic. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
His dad and mother were Catholics. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
But I did actually... | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
I was actually told by my mother that generations back | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
one of my...I think it was great-great-grandmother | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
-married an Irishman... -Mmm. -..and they had children | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
who were brought up as Catholics and then the Irishman died | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
and then they have them re-baptised in the Church of England | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
in Manchester Cathedral. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
Did Bill ever talk about his parents? | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Well, I met his mother and father a few times. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
They were straightforward, simple, working-class people, really. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
Can you tell me what he was like as a priest? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
Well, people liked Bill and so he made friends quite easily, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
although underneath all that he was quite a shy person, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
but he blossomed as a priest and was able to mix quite freely | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
and was popular with fellow priests as well as parishioners. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
But Father Hunt was not just a parish priest here at St Anne's - | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
he had a much more solid involvement in its foundations. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
When Bill came here, the whole area was being rebuilt | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
and the diocese decided that the old church should be pulled down | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
and that they would provide a new church | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
and Bill was responsible for the building of this new church here. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
Father Hunt was appointed parish priest | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
at St Anne's Church in April 1970. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
When Bill arrived in Ancoats, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
it was quite a vibrant area with a large Catholic population | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
but it was also an area that was decaying and full of slums. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
-JIM ROWAN: -Ancoats when I was a mere... | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
a schoolboy, was the classic Coronation Street set-up | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
of back-to-back houses, no bathrooms, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
in our instance, no electricity - we used to admire people | 0:37:22 | 0:37:28 | |
that had electricity, so it really was an impoverished area. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
But Ancoats hadn't always been so downtrodden. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
In the 19th century, the area's cotton spinning mills | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
were a major part of the Lancashire cotton industry boom. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Cotton developed in Lancashire, and, through that, the mills, because of a combination of factors. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
Initially, there was | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
available water power that was unused for other things | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
so that was great for the initial rural mills. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
You also had busy ports, you had centres of population, | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
and one of the key components was the weather. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Cotton needs to have a fairly humid and moist atmosphere | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
to be able to work it. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
If it's too dry, it will just break and it becomes unworkable. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Contrary to popular opinion, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
Manchester and the North West hasn't got any more rain than anywhere else | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
but it falls as drizzle or showers rather than as persistent rain | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
so we get it over more days | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
and from a mill perspective that's exactly what you want. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Manchester had so many cotton mills that it became known as the Cottonopolis. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
Many of those mills were in Ancoats, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
which by 1815 was the most populated district of Manchester. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
Cotton's always been an industry where you can have both | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
male and female, boys and girls, so it's been very adaptable | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
to circumstances and the demographics of each of the towns it goes into. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
So those that are first entering the industry are doing the basic jobs, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
they're, sort of, helping out a spinner or helping out | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
a weaver, and gradually they learn the skills of the trade through, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
if you like, a sort of apprenticeship. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
So, by the time they hit 20, 22, something like that, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
they've got a set number of years of experience | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
and a few skills, so gradually they can work their way up the ladder | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
and get slightly better paid employment. Probably, by the time | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
they're in their late 20s, they're a very productive senior member of the workforce. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
The start of the 20th century was when the industry was most successful. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
1913 was the peak of the industry. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
There were about 624,000 people employed in the textile industry | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
in Lancashire, and at that point | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Lancashire was producing eight billion yards of fabric. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
By value it was 25% of British exports, and in terms of production | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
it was 85% of the world's cotton manufacture. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
By 1930, that had shrunk to 3.5 billion yards. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
Both the First and Second World Wars took their toll on the industry, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
as demand for cotton fell. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
As the mills closed, people moved out of Ancoats in search of work | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
so by the 1950s the death knell had been struck | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
for both the industry and the area. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
The big issue, really, with Lancashire | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
is, because traditionally the textile industry was unchallenged, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
the entrepreneurs were a little bit complacent | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
so they never really modernised at the rate they should have done, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
they were always using old machinery. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
I think their mantra probably was, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
Eventually, that goes against you | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
because the foreign competition are continuing to modernise | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
all the way through, they're looking at the processes, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
they're making more efficient, more productive, faster machines, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
so they're able then to contract Lancashire's traditional markets | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
and eventually also affect the domestic market, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
the British domestic market. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
1958 is a significant date because, for the first time then, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
Britain is importing more cotton manufactured goods | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
than it's making itself, so that really is a crucial date | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
and there's no recovery from that point. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
So, in the '60s and '70s, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
you're getting on average one mill a week closing in Lancashire. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
It was just as the cotton industry was on its last legs | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
that Father Hunt arrived in Ancoats. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
He offered advice and support to those struggling to survive | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
in the area and his church remained a place of solace for those most in need. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
Well, here's the foundation stone and the date when the church was opened | 0:41:25 | 0:41:31 | |
and there's Bill's name carved for evermore | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
on the foundation stone, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
"Father William Hunt," | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
and at that stage he was not only parish priest here, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
he was the dean of the area. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
He was the rural dean. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Father Hunt opened the new church in 1978 | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
and as people moved into Ancoats | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
he worked hard to bring them in to his congregation. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
The church itself was very important to Bill, he was very proud of it. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:05 | |
As a priest, was Bill a popular person with his congregation? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Bill was a very caring priest | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and the love that he had as a priest was extended beyond God, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:18 | |
if you like, to all those that he came into contact with. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
-What sort of funeral did he have? Was it a big occasion? -Well, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
it was a huge funeral and even though he didn't have a wife or children, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
when he died, the people who had known him as their parish priest | 0:42:30 | 0:42:36 | |
and had loved him all flocked to his funeral. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
Father William Hunt may have died on 8th November 2005 | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
but his memory will now remain not just in this building | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
but in the minds of his long-lost relatives. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
It's really amazing, being here in front of this church, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
because he built it. It's his church and he was responsible for it | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
and to find out one of my family has actually done something like this is amazing. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
For your beliefs... | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
To give up so much for your beliefs... | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
is true dedication, isn't it? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 |