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Robert Sproat chose to live alone in London | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and now the heir hunters are unravelling the mystery | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
this Glaswegian author created around his own life. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
He was going away to university. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
That was it, off he went and we never saw him again. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
On another case, the search for heirs takes the hunt to Norfolk. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
It's another challenging day for the heir hunters. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Coming up, one man's bravery | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
in one of the most dangerous jobs of World War II. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
If the one who was the lead ship, if he suddenly blew up, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
you knew there was mines there, but who was it who was going to be next? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
We rediscover a lost art. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Compositing was one of the main skills of the printing industry. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
Without compositing, you wouldn't have anything to print. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
And we'll be giving you details | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
of the hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of estates | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
that are still to be claimed. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
In Norfolk, Andrew Fraser is on his way to look at a property | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
that forms part of an unclaimed estate his firm is investigating. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
I have been instructed by the administrating solicitors | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
to help them and provide them with a probate valuation | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
for both the contents and also the property itself. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
What Andrew discovers when he gets inside | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
could have a huge bearing on the amount that is inherited by heirs. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
We have the typical, very musty smell we get | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
when properties have been locked up and left for some time. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
Although it's only been a few months, it is certainly quite unique. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:55 | |
The house, which is in a sleepy rural part of Norwich, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
was home to Philip Charles Kettle for many years. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
His mother and father lived opposite us | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
previously and Philip moved in with them. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Unfortunately, they passed away | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
and Philip inherited the house and lived there ever since. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
Philip was always quite jolly, really pleasant to speak to. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Always quite happy. Never seemed miserable in any way. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
If you were to see him walking down the road, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
he'd stop and say hello to you and ask how you were. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
After leaving school when he was 15, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Philip went on to work as a newspaper compositor | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
at local firm Eastern Counties Newspapers. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Philip's character was outward going and he had quite a bit of fun. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
Sometimes he could be a little bit awkward, but can't we all? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
So, yeah, we got on well with Philip | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
and I got on well with Philip. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
Philip took early retirement and, sadly, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
died on 24th of July 2013, aged just 56. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
He left no known family and seemingly made no will. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Philip will definitely be missed | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
because you always saw him in the street. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
He was such a jolly man and he would always have time to speak to you. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
It's quite sad knowing that when you come out in the morning that | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
you're not just going to bump into him or say hello to him any more. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Heir hunter Andrew is opening that his visit to Philip's house | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
will help to establish the likely value of Philip's estate. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
If he's lucky, a thorough search of the house could uncover | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
evidence of valuables or savings that might increase the case's worth | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
by hundreds or even thousands of pounds. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Or he could be heading for every heir hunter's worst nightmare - | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
the discovery of a will that renders all their efforts useless. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
For now, his first job is to assess the likely value of the property. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
These places deteriorate fairly quickly when they've been left empty. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
Got a hole in the ceiling. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
The fact is the wall has got an awful lot of dampness in there | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
that has caused the plaster to virtually fall off. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Andrew is coming across signs of serious long-term neglect | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
throughout the house. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
We clearly see that the house is in need of | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
some quite significant repair. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
It's surprising we don't have major ceilings coming down | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
in the kitchen area. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
We can see the felt roof has got holes in it. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Together with a very overgrown garden. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
He's also on the lookout for any documentation to suggest | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
Philip had any assets other than the house. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
I've found here his latest passport, I believe. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Andrew's visit is just the latest stage | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
in what has been a complex investigation. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
When the case first came to the company | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
by solicitor referral six months ago, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Fraser & Fraser case manager Ben Cornish was in charge. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
When we got the case, we looked a bit further, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
we found out where the deceased was living at the time of his death. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
We realised that the deceased owned a property | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
and it was one of these cases | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
that we were definitely going to have a look into. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
As they had Philip's last known address, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
this was their first port of call. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
When we start a case like this, we will contact the neighbours. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
They are usually good source of information about the deceased. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
We straightaway realised that the deceased lived with his parents | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
up until their deaths and we also gleaned from them | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
the fact that Philip was actually married. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
So, when we found out that Philip was married, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
we instantly had a look for a marriage record. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
We found one. We traced this individual. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
We realised that she had married for a second time. Spoke to her. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
She confirmed to us that she was divorced from Philip | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
and that they had no children. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
And as they'd been divorced, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
this meant that Philip's ex-wife had no claim on his estate. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
The team then had to check for the next in line to inherit. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
We started to look for siblings of Philip, if there were any, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
whether they were still alive or, if they had passed away, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
whether they had any children. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
When we find Philip's birth record, we looked for his parents' marriage. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
The team established that John Benjamin Kettle married | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Patricia Anne Cork on 18 June 1955. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Philip was born the following year. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
When we find the parents' marriage, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
we look for any siblings of the deceased. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
We could find none for Philip, so we knew that he was an only child. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
I think we're going to look at John Benjamin Kettle and his family. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
This meant that the team now had to trace any brothers or sisters | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
Philip's parents might have had. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Instantly, when we looked into the mother's family, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
we were made aware that she was an only child, and therefore | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
there would be no descendants on this particular side. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
The team's only hope of heirs now rested on | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Philip's father's side of the family. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Philip's father was John Kettle and, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
according to Philip's birth certificate, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
he worked in the printing trade. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
When John began his career in the newspaper business | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
during the late 1940s and '50s, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
the printing industry was pulling itself out of post-war doldrums | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
and Fleet Street and newspapers across the country | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
were heading towards a golden age. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The power of the presses was very much in evidence, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
as people picked up nearly all their knowledge of news | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
and current affairs from the printed page. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Both father and son worked as newspaper compositors, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
producing the same paper, the Eastern Evening News. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Compositing was one of the main skills of the printing industry | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
because without compositing, you wouldn't have anything to print. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
As a compositor, John was responsible for setting out | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
all the text or copy that was to be printed | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
using metal letters and symbols. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
They were then tightly bound to create a page, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
which was placed in a press | 0:07:31 | 0:07:32 | |
and then inked to make the necessary impression on the paper. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Usually, when you went in the printing industry, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
you followed in your father's footsteps or a relation. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
And that opened the door for you. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Quite a few apprenticeships, you had to pay to take the apprenticeship. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
My father was a compositor and his father had to pay £100 premium | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
before he could even start work. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
David worked side-by-side with John. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I remember John. I worked with him for quite some time. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
And he was a fairly happy-go-lucky fella and he did his job | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
and he had with him an air of authority because of his size. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
He was a decent person to work with, yes. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
David also worked with Philip during the 1970s and '80s. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
He followed in his father's footsteps. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
He was a compositor | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
and he became a pagemaker like his father on the same paper. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
They all worked under pressure to get the newspapers out | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
to a hungry public. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
In those days, newspapers were almost the sole form of information. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
A newsroom built up to a crescendo near to deadline time. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
Everything seemed to get faster. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
And with as many as 24 linotype machines all clattering away | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
and all the little clicks and clatters built up into a deadline, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
then when the paper was put to bed, it went quiet. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
John and Philip would have found themselves | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
working in the print industry during a boom period of the '70s and '80s. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
But it was also a time of huge change. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
With the advent of computing in the early '70s, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
several provincial newspapers in this country | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
started up their own programme of computerisation. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
And it seems the industry was divided | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
in how it received this new technology. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
In the provinces, the computerisation programme | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
finished in the late 1980s | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
and there wasn't as much controversy as there was in Wapping | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
with the nationals. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
It was a stand-up fight between the unions and management. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
Despite the demise of the printing industry | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
as John and Philip first knew it, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
those early working practices have left their own lasting impression. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
There's quite a few sayings come from the printing industry. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
One of them is "mind your Ps and Qs" | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
and this is because a P and a Q | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
are identical except they face different ways | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
and it is easy to mix them up | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
if your eye isn't trained to know that you looking at | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
a mirror image. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
So, that is where that one comes from. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
And another saying is "upper and lower case". | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
It comes from the fact that the cases, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
which are stored in racks called frames, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
when they were lifted out to use, they were in pairs. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
One of them was the capitals and it was put up here | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
and that became upper case. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
And the other one is the small letters and it was put here | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
and that became the lower case. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
And that is where the term comes from. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Back on the hunt for Philip's heirs, Ben was now concentrating | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
the team's research on his father John's side of the family. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
And there was no time to waste. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
A case like this is a pressure case, as we call them, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
because you know there is a major asset, there is a property. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
You know that other companies may be looking into it | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
and they will also be trying their hardest to locate the heirs. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
At Philip's house in Norwich, Andrew has found some documents. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Just looking through the papers here, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
I found details in relation to asking for early retirement pensions. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
This is the death certificate for Philip's father, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
John Benjamin Kettle, who died in 2004. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
When someone dies without leaving a will and with no known family, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
their name ends up on the Treasury Solicitor's list | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
of unclaimed estates. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
But this list reveals very little of the deceased's life. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
In 2011, one name that appeared on it was Robert Sproat. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
It was picked up senior case manager Kevin Edmondson | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
at heir hunting firm Hoopers. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
At first sight, it didn't look as if this estate | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
was going to be of any great value, but after a bit of digging, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
we found out that Robert Sproat had left about £45,000. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
Obviously, this was worthwhile investigating and so, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
we started the work of trying to trace his heirs. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
And an initial exploration on the internet brought to light | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
some immediate insight into Robert's story. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
We found a copy of a newspaper article online | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
which mentioned that he had died from a fall | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and that there had been a coroner's inquest. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
The coroner ruled that Robert had died from an accidental head injury, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
thought to have been sustained when he fell while in his flat. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
At the time of his death, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Robert lived in North London in sheltered accommodation. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Marva was a fellow resident. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
I remember Robert. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
He was a very private person, tall, slim. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
Always clean and well-dressed. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
He wore his hair quite long but tidily. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
And when you'd pass him in the passage, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
he would just give a wave and say, "Hello, how are you?" | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
From what I remember of Robert, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
he was a very highly intelligent person. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
And it seems he wasn't an easy man to get close to. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
He never sort of mixed with the tenants. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
For example, he never came into the lounge to have a cup of coffee. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I never saw visitors visiting him. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
He was just a lonely person. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
Robert might have been an enigma to his neighbours, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
but the heir hunters' research was revealing more about this quiet man. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
The article also mentioned that he was from Glasgow | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
and that he was a published author. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
The team discovered that in the 1980s, Robert had written two books. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
One, Chinese Whispers, was a novel about Genghis Khan. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
And the other, published in 1986, was a memorably entitled | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
collection of short stories called Stunning The Punters. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
It was made up of nine different characters, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
each with their own story to tell. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
And little did Robert know, but his book would change the life | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
of at least one person, actor George Dillon. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
It was 1988. I was an unemployed actor. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
I'd been unemployed for about a year. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
And I was looking for material to do a one-man show | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
to give myself a showcase, to get an agent. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
And I had two stories already. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
I had one by Steven Berkoff and one by Dostoyevsky. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
But I needed a third. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
And I was looking at books returned today in the library | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
for short stories | 0:14:56 | 0:14:57 | |
and my eye fell on this title which said "Stunning The Punters". | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
Brilliant! Brilliant title. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
I took the book off the shelf and looked at the cover | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and it was this cartoon of skinheads, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
which was brilliant, cos at the time I had a shaven head. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
So, I opened it up and I read the first line of the title story | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
and it said... | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
-GRAVELLY VOICE: -"It's a rough old estate." | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Good first line. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
Turned to the last line, the last two lines, and it was... | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
"Really strange. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
"By pretending something's never been said, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
"you can end up screaming it." | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
Flicked through the story, it was all written in the first person. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
It was about skinheads. And it was just amazing. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
So, that became the title story and the linchpin | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
of my first one-man show, Stunning The Punters And Other Stories. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
"Ten points!" I says to Spike. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
George continued to bring Robert's character to life | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
for the next seven years. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
Only get the maximum for a pram... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
if the baby's still in it. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
Until he finally met the author at a performance in London. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
He was strange. He was a strange man. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
He was flamboyant, in one sense. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
I have the impression that he was actually quite a private man | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
and quite a troubled man. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
I mean, he was intriguing. I wish I had got to know him better. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
Actor George isn't the only one | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
who wishes he knew more about the author. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
The heir hunters' internet research | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
might have revealed some insight into Robert's career, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
but when it came to his family, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
Kevin and the team needed to dig a bit deeper. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
The next step was to obtain a copy of Robert Sproat's death certificate | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
and when we had this, we had his date of birth confirmed | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
and his place of birth and it was 14 April 1944 in Glasgow. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
We then went on to obtain a copy of the birth certificate | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
and this gave us the names of his parents - | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Alexander John Sproat and Elspeth Anne Sproat, formerly Forsyth. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:07 | |
Having confirmed his parents, there was another immediate priority. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
We had to, first of all, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
ensure that he didn't have very close relations - a wife or children. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
We searched the records in England, Scotland and Wales | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
for any possible marriage of Robert Sproat | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
and we didn't find any record of marriage. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Not only had Robert never married or had children, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
birth records showed that he was an only child. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
This meant the team had to expand the search | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
to look for aunts, uncles and cousins | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
on both his father's and mother's side. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Looking into Robert's mother's side of the family, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
we first of all obtained Elspeth Forsyth's birth certificate. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
This confirmed her parents' names and we quickly found them | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
on the 1911 census and we found that they'd had seven children. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
We continued our searches after the 1911 census | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and found that there were three more children born after Elspeth. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
The discovery that Robert's mother had nine brothers and sisters | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
meant that this could be a huge family tree | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
and entail enormous amounts of research. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
However, luckily for the team, they were able to narrow it down. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
We quite quickly found out that six of them had died without issue. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
We did, however, find out that sister Helen had married. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Although they'd discovered that she had died in 1975, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
she had two children. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
The team were then able to contact her daughter, also called Helen. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
For Robert's cousin, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
the news that she was an heir came totally out of the blue. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
I got back from holiday on Valentine's Day | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
and there was this handwritten note through the door | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
saying my maiden name had been Thomas, which was very strange, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
so I just thought it was a bit of a wind-up, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
somebody looking for money or something. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
So, I just ignored it. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
And the next day, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
I had a letter which had all the details right in it. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
So, I'd spoken to my son and he said, "Don't sign anything!" | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
And then I started to... | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
And I couldn't think who it was at all. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
I did wonder did my mother have some kind of secret life | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
before she met my dad? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
That was very strange cos it just wouldn't have happened. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
After discovering other cousins had also received similar letters, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
the family hit on the truth. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
We worked out it must be Rob Sproat. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Then the penny dropped and I thought, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
well, that was quite sad, then, that we'd all missed | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
not being able to go to his funeral or anything. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
But sadness at not being able to pay her respects | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
was mixed with happier memories. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
A big joker. He loved The Goons and he would have all... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
Especially Peter Sellers. He was a master of Peter Sellers. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
And he and my dad would sort of bang off each other all the time. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
They would go through some of The Goons more memorable moments | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
and when we went down to Wales to visit, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
he would come with us if we went somewhere like Tenby. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
He was quite a joker. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
And, yeah, he was good company then. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
At 18, Robert won a scholarship | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
to read Natural Sciences at Cambridge University. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
We were all incredibly impressed, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
but he was very bad at communicating. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
His mother always sent him off to Cambridge | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
with a stamped addressed letter to post when he arrived | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
so that she would know he'd got there safely. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
He did send her birthday cards and Christmas cards | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
and he did send her the books when he wrote them, but otherwise, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
he was very bad at keeping in touch, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
which was sad for his mum. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
And it seems his study of the sciences quickly took a back-seat. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
He got in with all the people that enjoyed doing all the arty things, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
so he didn't bother going to lectures and things | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
and only lasted a year, which was a bit sad, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
having got the scholarship in the first place. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
When Robert went on to become a published author, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
it was a chance for the family to catch up with something of his life, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
if only from a distance. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
I've enjoyed reading the books. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
So, the family knew about them. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
And I did write to him through the publishers. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
I did say how much I'd enjoyed them | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and there's some very funny things in them as well as the sad bits. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
It struck me that the personalities of all the male characters | 0:21:28 | 0:21:35 | |
seemed to reflect the personalities of all my mum and Mum's sisters! | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
Which was quite funny. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
But I didn't get a reply. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Altogether, the team are able to uncover eight beneficiaries | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
on Robert's mother's side of the family, including Helen. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
But they still has to unlock his father's side. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
get a surprise knock on the door from the heir hunters. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
It's really nice to know there was someone else in the family out there. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
Probably would have liked to have met but never did. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
Being told of an unexpected inheritance | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
can be very welcome news. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
If I get £50, I can go out for good meal and have a drink on Richard. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
And it can provide a priceless opportunity | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
to connect with long-lost family members. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
It's lovely to think he's brought us all back together | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
and I hope he's got comfort. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
where heirs needs to be found. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Could you be one of them? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates on the list | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
that are yet to be claimed. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
The first case is... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
Otherwise known as Rex or Roy Patterson. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Reginald was a widower, who died on... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
..aged 91. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
He was born on... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
And it is not known when he came to the UK. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
The name Patterson is of Scottish and Irish descent, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
meaning 'son of Patrick'. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
Could there still be family links to Reginald | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
in either Scotland or Ireland? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Is this name familiar to you? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Do you have any ideas that could be the key to unlocking this estate? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Next, 71-year-old... | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Died on... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:39 | |
He was a bachelor and had been born in Glasgow on... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
Peacock is a surname which first appears in Anglo-Saxon Durham | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
in the fifth century. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
It was a name to describe someone who was concerned with their looks. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
What brought Daniel to Lincolnshire is unknown. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Could he still have relatives back in Scotland? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Does his name mean anything to you? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for? | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
If you think you may be related to either of these people, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
you would need to make a claim on their estate | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
via the Treasury Solicitor's office. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
The important point about making a claim | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
to the Treasury Solicitor's Department | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
is to make sure you provide all the evidence we need - | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
the birth certificates, the death certificates - | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
then all should be fine. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
If not, or if you're unhappy with the way we deal with the matter, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
then by all means, raise that and we'll consider things afresh. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
Once again, the names of the cases we are trying to solve | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
with your help today are | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Reginald John Charles Patterson | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
and Daniel James Peacock. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Heir hunter Ben Cornish and the team at Fraser & Fraser | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
have been tracking down heirs to the estate | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
of former newspaper printing man Philip Kettle. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Having established that he had no siblings | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
and his mother was an only child, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
they have narrowed the search down to his father's side of the family. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
So, when we were looking into the Kettle family tree, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
we found out that the deceased's father had three siblings. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
They were all older. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:22 | |
An older sister called Doris, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:23 | |
brother called Ronald who died in infancy, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
and a brother called Derek. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:27 | |
Philip's uncle Derek was born in 1925. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
He'd grown up in the years between the world wars | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
and was just old enough to see service in World War II. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
Aged 18, he became part of the crew of HMS Cynthia, a minesweeper. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Minesweepers are the unsung heroes of the Second World War at sea. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
They are out there every single day, all day, all night, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
clearing mines, keeping the swept channels open | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
so that Britain can continue to operate in the Second World War. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
Without minesweepers, Britain will lose the war. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Sea mines have long been as a basic system of fighting in the ocean, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
both as a weapon of attack and as a defence around coastlines. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
Sea mines are a very simple defensive system | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
and they come in three basic varieties in the Second World War. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
There's a classic round mine with horns on it | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
which you detonate by striking it. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
They're more just under the water, so they hit the ship. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Then there are acoustic mines, which are set off by | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
the pressure of a vessel passing over the top of them. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
And finally, there are magnetic mines, which detonated by | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
the magnetic signature of an iron or steel vessel. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
Like Philip's uncle Derek, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
fisherman Charlie Harris served on a minesweeper. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Well, it was very, very dangerous | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
because these mines were dropped by aircraft or E-boats or whatever | 0:26:51 | 0:26:57 | |
during the day or night. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
And you went out, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
you knew the convoy routes cos they were buoyed. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
They were like roads. You knew what roads you had to go down. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
There would be four of you in line. You just used to go this - | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
one, one, one, one - | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
so you were covering an area like that, so you were sweeping. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
You'd cover some many miles for that area | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
for the convoy to come steaming down. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
But you didn't know where them mines were. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
And you shot the gear, just blow them up or sweep them, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
and you had to take a chance. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
But if the one who was the lead ship, if anything, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
if he suddenly blew up, you knew there was mines there, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
but who was going to be next? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
You didn't know. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
Derek served on the HMS Cynthia, an American-built minesweeper | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
which joined the war in Europe at the end of 1943. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Approximately six months later, in June 1944, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Derek and his ship would have been part of | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
the biggest mine-clearing exercise in history. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
He was involved in getting the troop ships across the Channel | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
for the D-Day landings on the Normandy beaches. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
The Germans had laid immense fields | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
of contact, pressure and magnetic mines | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
to basically block of that coast, so there was a critical task. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
They passed through a narrow gap in a minefield that had been swept | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
and marked out by the minesweepers. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
So, you have to find them, sink them, mark the channel | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
and make sure everybody else can follow you. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
It's very slow, it's not dramatic, it's not dynamic, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
but it's very dangerous. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Nobody went down below. Only the engineers, who had to be down there. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
I mean, everybody was on the deck all the time. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
You only went below when you had to because you thought, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
well, if anything happened, just have a chance to get away. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
It's often forgotten that minesweeping at sea | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
is a problem of scale. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
In the Channel, there were probably 100,000 mines | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
in between Britain and France, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
so the D-Day minesweeping operation, it is not finding a few mines, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
it is clearing a path through a barbed-wire forest of mines. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
The need to be absolutely professional and committed, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
start to finish, really is sapping. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
It's going to take a lot out of people. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
HMS Cynthia and her crew, including Derek, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
continued to keep the path across the Channel clear of mines | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
as Allied troops and supplies followed the initial invasion force | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
across France and into Germany. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
At the end of the war, there was another crucial task. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Her last big mission is to escort the King of Norway back to Oslo. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
This means clearing a way | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
through the biggest German minefield of the lot in the Kattegat, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
and it is very important the King of Norway | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
doesn't get wet on his way home. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
So, this is a real high-water mark. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
The Second World War in Europe ended in May 1945. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
A lot of the navy is demobilised, but the minesweeper crews carry on. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
They're still going in 1946, 1947, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
because the sea lanes have to be reopened | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
the great ports have to be cleared, trade has to resume. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
The North Sea has to be made safe. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
The enemy is still out there. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
The enemy is inert and he will still blow you up. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
The most powerful memory of all | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
is when the war finished, that you survived. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
That you were one of the ones who came out. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
Anyone who went through five, six years of the actual war | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
never came out the same as they went in. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Derek survived the war and died in 2002. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
When Ben discovered this, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
it left only one of Philip's aunts to investigate. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Doris, his sister. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
And we found a marriage for her, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
found out that she had several children. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
Philip's aunt Doris had four children. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
One son died in 2011, but he left three daughters | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
who are also heirs. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
Another of Doris's sons, Philip's cousin David, spent a lot | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
of time with Philip's family in his childhood, but later lost touch. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Like many of the relatives, he lives in Norwich. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
Although I've not seen Philip for ten years, obviously, he is my cousin, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
member of the family, and, yes, it did come as a complete shock, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
to be absolutely honest. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
The man was only 56 years old and | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
didn't really expect him to go so quick, at such a young age. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
While I think Philip was a very quiet | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
and reserved man who did enjoy his own company, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I got on with him quite well. We used to go to the football occasionally. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
He always had a slight smile on his face, especially after a nice pint. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
Quiet but a fun-loving lad. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
Philip was very close to his parents. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
His mother died in 2002 and it seems life changed for Philip | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
when his father died. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
When John passed away, it really did hit him hard | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
and I think he rather withdrew into his shell, unfortunately. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
When something like that happens, yes, certainly, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
it just put everything really into perspective on things. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
I've given one or two things a little bit more perhaps serious | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
thought than I did prior to this. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
For the heir hunters, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
the one remaining question was the value of Philip's estate. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
In Norwich, Andrew Fraser has been looking at his property | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
and contents to try and get a complete picture of its worth. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
These Toby Jugs were at one time very fashionable | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
and a huge collector's item. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
They're all Royal Dalton. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
This is from 1987. This one's a 1958. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
It seems there are several collections in the house, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
each of which has to be photographed so that they can be assessed | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
and valued by experts. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
But Andrew's search for assets isn't over yet. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
I've found that in February of this year, 2013, some four months | 0:33:04 | 0:33:12 | |
before he died, he actually received a payment from one of his pensions. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:18 | |
Any money still held in Philip's bank account, along with other | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
assets that may be discovered, will be added to the value of the estate. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
For today, though, Andrew's work is done | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
and it's been a successful visit. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
A few weeks later, he and the team have estimated the estate is | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
worth around £150,000 to be shared between eight of Philip's cousins. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:44 | |
It's a good result for the team. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
To solve this case is quite bittersweet, really. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
It's quite sad that Philip died so young. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
It's sad the fact that family were relatively quite close to him | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
but he just moved away, like families do, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
and they just lose contact after a while. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
But, you know, the saving grace is that some of the family | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
heirlooms that Philip had are now with family. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Following Andrew's visit to the property, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
David has now also had the chance to go to Philip's house | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
and collect some of the belongings that are part of the inheritance. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
I went down there with my sister and I got some of the Toby Jugs, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
about 12 of them, actually. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
We also found some plates that we took away | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
and, more importantly, a lot of photographs, family photographs, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
some of which I'd not ever seen before. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
At least now, when we look at them, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
we can always remember the good times with Philip, John and Pat. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
Senior manager Kevin Edmondson and the team at Hoopers traced the | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
ever-growing family tree of Robert Sproat, who died in London in 2011. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:57 | |
He'd published a book of short stories in the 1980s called | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
Stunning The Punters, one of which was adapted for the stage | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
by actor George Dillon. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
He remembers the night Robert came to see his performance. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
He was sitting there and I felt a little bit | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
resentful of the other people being there | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
because I wanted to meet him and talk to him | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
and I didn't really get much chance to talk to him. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
He was quite reserved, as eccentric as I suspected from his photo. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
And possibly quite troubled. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Despite their brief acquaintance, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
George has a surprising keepsake from the author. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
When I was thinking of doing Stunning The Punters | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
and contacted Robert about it, he sent me a copy of his next book. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
It hadn't yet been published | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
and he wrote a dedication in the front of it. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
And this is what he wrote. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
"Dear George Dillon, this comes out officially on March 21st. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
"Good luck with your project, Robert Sproat, March 9th, 1988." | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
This was an amazing act of generosity on his part and... Yeah. | 0:35:54 | 0:36:00 | |
Looking at it now, it's... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
It's quite moving. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:04 | |
Having found heirs on his mother's side of the family, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
the team were on the hunt to find any uncles, aunts and cousins | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
of Robert's who could be in line to inherit on his father's side. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
We obtained a copy of Robert's birth certificate | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
and this showed that his father was a flight sergeant in the RAF. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
The Royal Air Force was formed in 1918, so it was still | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
a relatively young service by the time of Robert's birth in 1944. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
And for Robert's father, John Alexander, being a flight sergeant | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
in the midst of World War II was not a job for the faint-hearted. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
Bomber Command, for example, was the most dangerous job in the | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
Forces at all during the war with half of their people killed in total. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Airfields, pre-Blitz, really, were being bombed on a daily basis, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
so it was manic and it was scary. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
John Alexander's role would have carried with it tremendous | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
responsibility. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
A flight sergeant is a hugely important individual on the squadron. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
The warrant officer is the man who is Mr Cool, he runs the place. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
But the flight sergeant is the man who goes around | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
and makes sure it's done. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
At that time, there was a particular | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
need to knock new recruits into shape. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
A drill instructor on recruit training, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
corporal or sergeant, but mostly the corporals in the '40s, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
they lived in the barracks with the troops. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
And their job, really, was to teach them to wash, shave, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
press their kit, clean their stuff, look after their bedding, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
look after all of their kit, to drill them, to be their counsellor, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
to be their mother and also, to be their avenging angel should | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
they not perform to the required standards. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
The sergeant would be a big stick over the corporals | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and the flight sergeant would be a bigger stick, so when he turned up, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
the same thing, the standards were expected to be better. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
And Robert's father would have understood | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
the importance of a drill. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
Military doesn't do people wandering about. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
So, they need to know how to get from A to B properly. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
But it's also to teach them to obey commands. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
They stand there and you will tell them what to do | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
and they do it without question. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Not used enough, in my opinion. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
And there's one timeless characteristic that shines through. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
All drill instructors have to be strict. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
The flight sergeant on the squadron would be ultra-strict. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
If a recruit ever had to go see the flight sergeant | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
then it really only meant, you know, one or two, three things, really. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
He was either leaving or he was in serious trouble. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
He doesn't go to the flight sergeant for a pat on the head, generally. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
But could the power and discipline Robert's father | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
used at work have spilled over into his home life? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
A drill instructor, yeah, you become a certain kind of person | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
and that person applies standards. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
And you notice things that are wrong, always. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
And I am still the same now. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:57 | |
I've stopped moaning about creases in my shirts | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
because otherwise I have to iron them myself! | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
So, I don't do that any more. But you notice that. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
You notice someone with a double crease in their shirt. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
You'll notice dust behind the door. It's still something that I notice. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
And bugs me. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
Robert's cousin and heir Helen recalls her impression of Robert's | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
drill instructor father. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
I do remember he was very, very strict with Rob. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
It always struck me that he | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
treated Rob like one of his recruits and, of course, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
they were living in married quarters, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
so they had to be very careful with all the furniture and fittings | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and things and Rob liked to fall off chairs and do daft things like that. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
And his dad would get very annoyed. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Back in the office, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:49 | |
the heir hunters needed to unravel | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Flight Sergeant John's family background. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
The next step was to find Robert's father's birth certificate, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
and we found that he was born on September 30th, 1912, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
in Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
This confirmed his parents' names. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
We then looked on the 1911 census record | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
and found that they had had three older children. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
At that date, John Alexander's mother was only 31 years of age, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
so we thought it would be quite possible that she | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
would have had further children. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
And so, we undertook searches after the 1911 census | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
and found that there were three more children born after John Alexander. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
This means he was one of a family of seven children. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
This meant that the heir hunters | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
now had six branches on the tree to explore. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
We found out that one of his sisters died as a child. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
This meant there were five branches of the family to investigate. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
And we found that all the remaining five did have children. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
One of the branches was his sister, Ellen Rebecca Sproat, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:59 | |
who married a Mr Darmody and had six children. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
The eldest child was called Rosalind. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Robert's cousin Rosalind is one of five heirs | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
born to Robert's aunt Helen. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
I received a phone call one day to tell me that he'd died. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:16 | |
It was a shock and I was upset, I must admit. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
The last time I saw Robert, he must have been about 17. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
He was going away to university, so we all went to say goodbye | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
and wish him well. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
And that was it. Off he went and we never saw him again | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
or heard from him. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
I felt sad when I found out that he hadn't married, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
he had no children, so I don't really know | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
what sort of life he had. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
I don't know whether he was outgoing or very lonely. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
These are the things you think about. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
And it would be nice to know if he was happy in his life. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
I was very proud to think that he'd had books published. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
That's not an easy thing to do. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
And I think he must been satisfied with his life. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
He was quite creative. Now I'll have to get the books. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
I'll have to have some reading. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
Rosalind is one of 25 heirs to Robert's estate - | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
17 on his father's side | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
and eight on his mother's. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
Any money that we get from the inheritance, it would be lovely | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
and I think we'd probably buy a new three-piece suite. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
I could do with one of those. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
I've had an idea that the rest of us on our side of the family | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
would like to have a nice big family get-together | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
just to have a sort of belated wake. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
It would be nice to do something in Rob's memory. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 |