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This programme contains very strong language.

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APPLAUSE.

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Welcome to another superb evening of stuff.

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Let's start with the brilliant Pretenders.

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One, two, three, four.

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# I-I-I'm

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# A Mass of devotion

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# I-I-I'm

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# In a Holy commotion

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# I just want, I want, I want to see your face

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# I just want, I want, I want to change your place

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# Lift your veil off, uh

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# I-I-I'm

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# A mass of devotion

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# I-I-I'm

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# In a Holy commotion

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# I just want, I want, I want to lead the blind

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# I just want, I want, I want to change your mind

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# Come on baby

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# I-I-I

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# Devotion, devotion, devotion

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# I-I-I

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# In a Holy commotion

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# I just want, I want, I want to see the light

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# I just want, I want, I want to dance all night

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# Come on, baby!

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# When the walls come tumbling down

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# And the love drags all around

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# And the dogs of war come around no more

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# No more rape or torture or mutilation

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# One love, one word

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# One humanity

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# One love, one word

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# One humanity

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# Oooooh

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# I-I-I

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# Devotion, devotion

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# Ooooh, I, yeah

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# Come on, baby

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# Oooooh

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# Heal me, Jesus

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# Oooooh

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# One love

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# Let's get out! #

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CHEERING.

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What a pleasure and joy it is to have the Pretenders

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back in this room.

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Joined by Dan Auerbach.

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I will be talking to Chrissie Hynde and Dan later on.

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We have a room full of amazing people here this evening.

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In this corner, Loudon Wainright III!

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CHEERING.

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I will be talking to the legendary and re-formed amazing Bad

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Company. CHEERING.

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I will be delighted at the sound of the woman

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from Lewisham, it is Ray BLK.

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CHEERING.

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I will be thrilling to the voice and the guitar of Joanne Shaw

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Taylor.

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CHEERING.

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I shall also be very enjoying south-east London's Samm

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Henshaw.

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CHEERING.

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And now a remarkable act that has had an enormous amount of coverage

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in this room.

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We welcome, from Australia, Empire of the Sun.

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# Now we are running in a pack to the place you don't know

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# And I want you to know that I'll always be around

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# Down where the summer and the late nights last forever

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# There's a house on the hill and we can travel now

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# Alice D, you're on your way home

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# Way home

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# I feel most times we're high and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go)

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# I feel most times we're high and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go)

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# Let's get together and forget all our troubles and just float

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# I don't want you to go

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# I need to be closer to now

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# Alice D, you're on your way home

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# Way home

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# I feel most times we're high and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go)

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# I'll be on both sides, babe

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# High and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go)

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# Alice D is on her way home

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# She's been out all night again

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# She don't want nobody's help now

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# She sees stars and rocket ships

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# I'll be on both sides, babe, high and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go)

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# I'll be on both sides, babe, high and low (high and low)

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# If I had my way, never let you go (never let you go). #

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CHEERING.

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Empire of the Sun, High and Low. From their forthcoming

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album Two Vines.

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What a dazzling display of music, dancing and foliage.

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This next artist has been supported by 1Xtra

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and BBC Introducing.

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Why is that?

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It's because he is an extremely promising and talented young fellow.

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We welcome Samm Henshaw.

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# Said that I know

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# I know it's been hard on you

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# I know it's getting under your skin

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# That they don't think that much of you, yeah

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# Help me out

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# And I see

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# I see the things that they don't see

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# They think I'm too wrapped up in your needs

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# But you would do the same for me

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# Oh, Lord

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# And I tell them that it's you that I want

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# Yeah, and they tell me that I've got it all wrong

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# Said it don't matter if they think that we're lost

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# Cos they don't

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# They don't understand our love

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# Sing, our love

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# They don't get it, baby

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# Sing our love

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# Our love

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# Yeah

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# They try convincing me, but I got no doubt

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# Hey, hey

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# Say she's infected, but I can't do without

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# Hey, hey

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# No matter what they say I know what I found

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# Hey, hey

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# I got a need for two make any man proud

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# Oh, said I...

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# Tell them that it's you that I want

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# And they tell me, baby

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# Tell me that I've got it all wrong

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# Said it don't matter if they think if we're lost

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# Cos they don't

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# They don't understand our love

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# Our love

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# Oh yeah, sing our love

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# Sing our love

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# Hands up with me now

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# Tell me, tell me, tell me Do you, do you feel it, babe?

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# Yeah

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# Sing, come on

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# Tell me, tell me, tell me Do you, do you feel it, babe?

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# Yeah, yeah, yeah

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# Said I tell them that it's you that I want

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# And they tell me that I've got it all wrong

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# It don't matter if they think we're lost

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# Cos they don't, they don't, they don't understand our love

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# Yeah, yeah, yeah

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# Our love

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# They don't get it now, baby, sing

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# Our love

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# Oh yeah, our love

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# When I wake up in the morning

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# When I go to sleep at night

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# They don't understand what we got, baby

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# How much I want to hold you tight, yeah

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# Sing, our love. #

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CHEERING.

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Samm Henshaw.

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Our Love.

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An album out next year.

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What a great voice that man has.

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Speaking of great voices, I am delighted to say that Bad Company,

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one of the great supergroups of all time.

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Joining us now here, Paul Rodgers, Simon Kirke

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and Mick Ralphs from Bad Company.

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Lovely to see you.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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It is a great treat.

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You have reformed, and you were of course one

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of the original supergroups.

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I mean an amazing group.

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How did you all get together in the first place?

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It was myself and Paul started working together, writing songs.

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We were going to do an album.

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And then Simon turned up out of the blue.

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Brazil, I was in Brazil.

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Blue Brazil.

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And sat in on the drums, and I said to Paul, well,

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if we had a bass player, we have got a group.

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And it was a supergroup, because you all came through,

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there was Mott the Hoople, there was all these different...

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On paper it was a supergroup.

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We didn't think as such.

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But then once you got back together, which you have done now,

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has that been an enjoyable experience for you?

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It has been great, actually.

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We have just done a tour of the states, with Joe Walsh,

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actually, we were sharing a headline.

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And it was absolutely fantastic.

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We didn't have Mick with us at that time, but we've

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got him back now for this.

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Because often when bands get together, sometimes

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it is pleasant and agreeable, but sometimes the rekindling

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can lead to arguments and resentments and petty fights.

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Really?

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You have never had any of that?

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Good lord, no!

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We are English.

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It is a show that I would look forward to seeing.

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There are a lot of Bad Company fans out there, but we have got a little

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bit of footage of you back in 1975 I think it is.

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# I'm a man

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# I got my pride

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# I don't need no woman to hurt inside

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# I need love like any other

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# So go on and leave me, leave me for another

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# Good loving gone bad

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# Good loving gone bad

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# Don't stand in my way

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# Baby, you got me mad now...

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APPLAUSE.

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One of the great voices of all time.

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Looking back, that was in the early '70s.

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I suppose that the time of innocence, in my mind,

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the '60s have gone, and by the time we got to the early '70s,

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it is just a Roman orgy, the whole thing.

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Is that what it was like?

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Oh, yes.

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LAUGHTER.

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And you had fun?

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We had fun.

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But now you have quietened down a bit?

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Yes!

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Do you have to keep them in order?

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Not really.

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It's really, it's about the music, and we had something

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in the beginning, it was like a chemistry that

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happened, it it ignited.

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And when we got on stage, it kind of exploded.

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And I think we still have that.

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I don't think we'd do it if we didn't,

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really.

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No.

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It's great.

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All the records were great.

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What sort of thing can people look forward to hearing,

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what have you been doing out in America?

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Well, putting the show together, it is kind of the best

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of over all the years, and it is great to be able to...

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I think of it as kind of like one big song, the whole set.

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And so it has to have all the ingredients of excitement

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and intimacy with the audience and a feeling that they are part

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of the show as well, so that is what we do,

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it is connection with the crowd.

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Fantastic songs, great voice, great players.

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You can't go wrong.

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The tour is called the Swansong Tour, but it isn't the last?

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It's a nod in the direction of our record company,

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Swansong, Led Zeppelin.

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Because we rereleased the first five albums, which were all on Swansong.

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We don't tour in England very often, about every six years,

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so if you put six years, I don't know how we will feel in six years,

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will you want to do another?

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We'll be about 102 by then!

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Might feel pretty ropey.

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But you sound great, mate.

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But we have got to be in bed soon.

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Well, thank you for a lot of barefaced lies!

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And for joining us this evening.

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We would look forward to hearing and seeing them on tour,

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the re-formed marvellous Bad Company, Paul Rodgers,

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Simon Kirke, Mick Ralphs.

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APPLAUSE.

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Now, this next artist plays the guitar amazingly,

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but she doesn't stop there.

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She sings amazingly and has incredible songs.

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We welcome Joanne Shaw Taylor.

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# You can't let go

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# See that old black crow

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# Feel the cold wind blow

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# Cos you're dyin' to know

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# You think you're free

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# Truth is you will bleed

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# Pure as the driven snow

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# And you're dyin' to know

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# Lost in that haze

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# Nights turn to days

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# Trying to find your way home

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# Dyin' to know

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# Lost in a haze

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# Nights turn to days

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# Trying to find your way home

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# Dyin' to know

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# Holes in your veins

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# Blue, bruised and shamed

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# Where does this road go?

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# You're dyin' to know

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# You made friends with that old black crow

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# You're dyin' to know

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# You're dyin' to know. #

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CHEERING.

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What a voice, what a guitar.

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Joanne Shaw Taylor.

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Dyin' to Know from her album Wild.

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More from her later on.

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The room is filled with wonderful people this evening.

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In this corner, a fantastic new talent.

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Please welcome Ray BLK.

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# Socks and sliders everywhere and every day

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# Full English breakfast at a caff, not a cafe

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# No, no, baby, we don't let strangers come our way

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# But you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Meet me at Morley's, best fried chicken is in South

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# I'll show you gangsters, don't you go running your mouth

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# Mopeds are racing, 2am outside my house, oh yeah, it's loud

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# But come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Oh, you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood, my hood

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# You should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Said you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# You should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Barely anyone at school after 15

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# We're chasing paper then Blue Borough should be green

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# I won't lie, finding a way out is our dream

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# But you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Top floor of Pepys estate, we'll show you our world

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# That building turns you to a woman from a girl

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# Now time to stop, life flashes past you in a whirl

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# But you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Cos on these streets, these streets

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# In the dark, we glow

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# On these streets, these streets

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# Yeah, we're high when it's low

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# On these streets, these streets

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# Through concrete, flowers grow

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# In my hood, my hood, my hood, my hood

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# You should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# There's no place like home

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# No place like home

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# Buy me any ticket, I don't want to go

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# To a town where there's no one like me around

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# Don't take me there or anywhere

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# Oh, no

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# No, oh, no, no, no

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# No, oh, no, no, no

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# No, oh, no, no, no

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# No, oh, no, no, no

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# Cos on these streets, these streets, in the dark we glow

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# These streets, these streets

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# We are high when it's low

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# These streets, these streets

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# Through concrete flowers grow

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# Oh, in my hood, my hood, my hood

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# You should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# Said you should come to my hood, my hood, my hood

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# You should come to my hood, my hood, my hood #.

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CHEERING.

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The wonderful Ray BLK.

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My Hood from her album Durt.

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Ray BLK!

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CHEERING.

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We have had on this show the marvellous Martha Wainwright.

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We have also had the sensational Rufus Wainwright.

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But now we have the daddy of them all, Loudon Wainwright III.

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CHEERING.

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Great to have you here, Loudon.

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You were also on our second show 350 shows a go.

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25 years ago.

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Could it be true?

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Why haven't you called me in the last 25 years?

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I have been busy, you know, and I have had things to do,

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and I have been busy getting your children on,

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who have been great, if I may say so.

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They are all very great.

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You went on tour with them, I think, in Alaska?

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Right.

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A year ago in Alaska, five cities, Rufus, my daughter

0:25:010:25:04

Lucy Wainwright Roche who is also a singer, her mom, Suzzy Roche

0:25:040:25:07

from the Roches and my sister Sloan did a tour of Alaska

0:25:070:25:10

where the audience travelled with us, so we were trapped

0:25:100:25:13

with our audience.

0:25:130:25:14

How big was the audience?

0:25:140:25:15

About 300 scary people.

0:25:150:25:16

Wow.

0:25:160:25:18

When you say five, are there five cities in Alaska?

0:25:180:25:20

There's only five cities in Alaska.

0:25:200:25:22

But wherever you go with 300 people, that's a city!

0:25:220:25:24

We took a train one day, we took a boat.

0:25:240:25:27

We went and looked at glaciers and whales and a bus trip,

0:25:270:25:29

and it was fun, actually.

0:25:290:25:31

Unfortunately, Martha was not able to attend,

0:25:310:25:34

and my youngest daughter Lexie Kelly was in school, so she had a good

0:25:340:25:38

excuse not to be there.

0:25:380:25:42

But all of your children are very talented.

0:25:420:25:45

Who do you attribute that to?

0:25:450:25:46

Their mothers!

0:25:460:25:47

Correct answer!

0:25:470:25:48

We look forward to hearing that song in a moment,

0:25:480:25:51

and we will throw to Pretenders.

0:25:510:25:52

APPLAUSE.

0:25:520:25:54

What am I gonna do today?

0:26:200:26:23

# Go to the newstand

0:26:240:26:29

# Check out the war zone

0:26:290:26:31

# See the listings, see what's good on

0:26:310:26:33

# Oh, there's one I've been wanting to see

0:26:330:26:35

Anyone here up for a movie? I am.

0:26:350:26:37

# Nobody tells me I can't

0:26:380:26:40

# Nobody tells me I shan't

0:26:420:26:46

# Nobody says you're doing it wrong

0:26:470:26:49

# I'm at my best, I'm where I belong

0:26:500:26:52

# Alone

0:26:530:26:55

# Yeah

0:26:560:26:57

# I like it

0:26:590:27:01

# Now I'm down on the street hanging out

0:27:160:27:18

# With the poets and the Greeks and the deadbeats

0:27:180:27:21

# And I'm taking my time, sitting on park benches

0:27:210:27:23

# All the glamour starts down here This is where the trends begin

0:27:230:27:26

# Life's a canvas and I'm on it

0:27:260:27:28

# Nobody tells me I can't

0:27:280:27:32

# Nobody tells me I shan't

0:27:340:27:36

# No-one to say you're doing it wrong

0:27:380:27:41

# I'm at my best, I'm where I belong

0:27:420:27:44

# Alone

0:27:440:27:47

# I like it

0:27:470:27:50

# I like being alone

0:27:500:27:52

# The other thing I like to do

0:27:530:27:56

# Go to the graveyard and hang out with you

0:27:560:27:59

# And sit back and have a smoke and practice my autograph

0:27:590:28:03

# And reread your epitaph, and it says

0:28:030:28:05

# Don't you laugh as you walk by For as you are so once was I

0:28:050:28:09

# And as I am so you shall be Prepare for death and follow me

0:28:090:28:13

# Alone

0:28:130:28:13

# Yeah, I like that

0:28:140:28:16

# I like being alone

0:28:160:28:18

# Nobody tells me I can't

0:28:200:28:22

# Nobody tells me I shan't

0:28:230:28:27

# No-one to say you're doing it wrong

0:28:270:28:31

# I'm at my best, I'm where I belong

0:28:310:28:33

# Alone

0:28:330:28:35

# Yeah

0:28:370:28:38

# I like it

0:28:380:28:39

# I like being alone. #

0:28:390:28:42

What are you gonna do about it, huh?

0:28:420:28:44

Absolutely fuck all.

0:28:440:28:47

Yeah, I'll do exactly what I want.

0:28:470:28:51

One, two, three, get out!

0:28:540:28:57

CHEERING.

0:28:580:29:01

# Meet the Wainwrights

0:29:200:29:21

# On the train, the boat, the bus

0:29:210:29:24

# Join the family

0:29:240:29:26

# Come on, rub elbows with us

0:29:260:29:28

# We're the Wainwrights

0:29:280:29:31

# That singing family

0:29:310:29:33

# For five days and five nights come sample our reality

0:29:330:29:38

# In Alaska, that wild and crazy state

0:29:380:29:43

# It's a safe distance from the lower 48

0:29:430:29:47

# Yes, we're the Wainwrights

0:29:470:29:50

# We get looks and we get stares

0:29:500:29:53

# More than eagles, Eskimos, glaciers, moose and bears

0:29:530:29:58

# Meet the Wainwrights

0:29:580:30:00

# Yes, we finally have a show

0:30:000:30:02

# Forget the Osbournes Those Kardashians must go

0:30:020:30:07

# We're the Wainwrights

0:30:070:30:09

# We can play and we can sing

0:30:090:30:12

# Our Sound Of Music, kind of a screwed up Von Trapp type thing

0:30:120:30:19

# Rufus Wainwright, oh yeah, you remember him

0:30:200:30:24

# Once was a tit man

0:30:240:30:26

# Now he checks pecs out at the gym

0:30:260:30:29

# He has a trainer travelling with him on the bus

0:30:290:30:33

# Cos he's more famous and much richer than the rest of us

0:30:330:30:38

# Da-doo-dee-da

0:30:380:30:41

# Da-da-da-doo-de-der-day-duh

0:30:410:30:44

# Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum

0:30:440:30:48

# Duh-duh-da-de-doo-de-dee-da-doo-da

0:30:480:30:52

# Bee-ba-boo-boo-eh-ya

0:30:520:30:53

HE CONTINUES SCATTING.

0:30:530:30:57

# We got Roches from that awesome singing crew

0:30:570:31:02

# Suzzy and Lucy, they're a mother-daughter twosome

0:31:020:31:06

# But they're Wainwrights

0:31:060:31:08

# And for that we all are glad

0:31:080:31:11

# Once upon a happy time Suz slept with Lucy's dad

0:31:110:31:17

# Sloanie Wainwright has a voice that will not quit

0:31:190:31:22

# Bears and eagles and whales are afraid of it

0:31:220:31:27

# And Sarah Palin, she runs the other way

0:31:270:31:32

# Is Sarah in Alaska or has she moved to LA?

0:31:320:31:38

Clap your hands!

0:31:380:31:40

HE SCATS.

0:31:400:31:50

# Martha Wainwright and Lexie Kelley are not here

0:31:560:32:01

# Lex is in college, Martha just chose to steer clear

0:32:010:32:05

# Being a Wainwright can be a little much

0:32:050:32:10

# But Martha and the bloody motherfucking asshole stay in touch

0:32:100:32:16

# Loudon Wainwright

0:32:190:32:20

# Yeah, he's the patriarch

0:32:200:32:23

# He's a skunkman who can get a little dark

0:32:230:32:27

# He is important and would like to make it clear

0:32:270:32:32

# If it were not for Loudon, none of you folks would be here

0:32:320:32:39

# So meet the Wainwrights

0:32:390:32:42

# On the train, the boat, the bus

0:32:420:32:44

# Join the family

0:32:440:32:46

Clap your hands!

0:32:460:32:46

# Come on, rub elbows with us

0:32:460:32:49

# We're the Wainwrights, that singing family

0:32:490:32:54

# For five days and five nights, come sample our reality

0:32:540:32:58

# The adventure of a lifetime

0:32:580:33:03

# With the Wainwright family. #

0:33:030:33:09

CHEERING.

0:33:120:33:15

As fresh and enchanting as when he first appeared

0:33:180:33:21

on this show 350 shows ago, 25 years.

0:33:210:33:25

Loudon Wainright III with Meet the Wainwrights.

0:33:250:33:31

A beautiful family song for us all.

0:33:310:33:33

Before that we enjoyed the Pretenders.

0:33:330:33:35

CHEERING.

0:33:350:33:37

And now, behind this beautiful and lovely scene,

0:33:370:33:40

we welcome Empire of the Sun.

0:33:400:33:43

# We got the best years ahead, we know we do

0:33:590:34:03

# We reach for love, it meets us on the headway

0:34:030:34:06

# We reach for love, it meets us on the headway

0:34:070:34:15

# Blind to the upcoming eye

0:34:180:34:21

# Caught in the fuss above

0:34:210:34:26

# Right in the prime of your life

0:34:270:34:30

# Struck by the force of us

0:34:300:34:35

# And all because we trust two vines

0:34:350:34:40

# Slowly growing right into your ears

0:34:400:34:47

# Show me all the life

0:34:470:34:53

# Lead us in your wind tonight

0:34:530:34:57

# Two vines, two vines

0:34:570:35:02

# We're going out tonight, won't you come along?

0:35:060:35:13

# We'll wake the dawn, like replaying memories

0:35:150:35:21

# Right to the sky up above

0:35:240:35:28

# Born into all of us

0:35:280:35:33

# Right in the prime of our lives

0:35:340:35:37

# Struck by the course of love

0:35:370:35:42

# And all because we trust two vines

0:35:420:35:48

# Slowly growing right into your ears

0:35:480:35:54

# Show me all the life

0:35:550:35:58

# Lead us in your wind tonight

0:35:580:36:04

# Two vines, two vines

0:36:040:36:09

# I wonder what it's like

0:36:130:36:18

# There's only one way tonight

0:36:220:36:27

# I wonder every time

0:36:320:36:38

# We're going to a place that no one's ever been before

0:36:410:36:45

# There's only one ocean that can hold the door

0:36:460:36:49

# No reason to rush, just taking it slow

0:36:500:36:53

# All the universe is humming with me

0:36:550:36:59

# And all because we trust two vines

0:36:590:37:03

# Slowly growing right into your ears

0:37:060:37:10

# Show me all the life

0:37:100:37:16

# Lead us in your wind tonight

0:37:160:37:21

# Two vines, two vines

0:37:210:37:24

# Slowly growing right into your ears

0:37:240:37:29

CHEERING.

0:38:110:38:15

Top of the range Empire of the Sun.

0:38:160:38:19

The title track of their album, Two Vines.

0:38:200:38:22

Empire of the Sun.

0:38:220:38:25

Great stuff.

0:38:270:38:29

Unique, unusual and dazzling in this room to have such a lovely display,

0:38:290:38:31

and there is another lovely display at this table,

0:38:310:38:34

because Dan Auerbach and Chrissie Hynde are here.

0:38:340:38:36

Welcome to the show.

0:38:360:38:39

We love you madly.

0:38:390:38:40

Now, it is great to have you both here.

0:38:400:38:44

So, the Pretenders record, the first Pretenders record

0:38:440:38:47

for eight, eight years.

0:38:470:38:49

What inspired you to decide to make one now?

0:38:490:38:52

Well, there was another one, but it just had my name

0:38:520:38:55

on it for some reason.

0:38:550:38:56

I was so tired of talking about why it wasn't a solo thing.

0:38:560:38:59

I see.

0:38:590:39:01

It's all the same.

0:39:010:39:02

Anyway, anything that has got you...

0:39:020:39:03

I have got my Kell Brook T-shirt on.

0:39:030:39:05

Very nice, yes.

0:39:050:39:06

And Alone.

0:39:060:39:08

Where did you get that title?

0:39:080:39:09

Any other good titles you had?

0:39:090:39:11

Actually, Dan thought of that.

0:39:110:39:13

I was bragging about how much time I spend alone,

0:39:130:39:16

and he said, write a song about it.

0:39:160:39:18

That is what we did.

0:39:180:39:20

It is very good.

0:39:200:39:22

And Dan, how did you get involved in this whole thing?

0:39:220:39:24

I know Chrissie, and I see her every once in awhile, and we always

0:39:240:39:28

about making a record.

0:39:280:39:29

And it just happened.

0:39:290:39:30

I really don't remember what...

0:39:300:39:32

Divine intervention.

0:39:320:39:33

What made it happen all of a sudden.

0:39:330:39:35

I didn't think he would play with me or that he would go

0:39:350:39:38

for it, but he did.

0:39:380:39:39

The result is great, and you're both from Ohio,

0:39:390:39:41

is that a coincidence?

0:39:410:39:42

It is a coincidence.

0:39:420:39:44

Do you chat about that sort of thing

0:39:440:39:46

in the studio?

0:39:460:39:48

No!

0:39:480:39:50

Anyway, so, as a producer, how is Chrissie to work with?

0:39:500:39:53

Is she easy?

0:39:530:39:54

What is your role as a producer? From me, I just...

0:39:540:39:57

I just have to...

0:39:570:39:59

He did it all.

0:39:590:40:00

It's his album.

0:40:000:40:02

She tends to be slightly negative about herself, and I just had

0:40:020:40:05

to give her a little...

0:40:050:40:07

I have known her for years, I have never heard her be

0:40:070:40:10

negative about herself.

0:40:100:40:11

And it was easy, really.

0:40:110:40:13

I don't know.

0:40:130:40:15

It either works or it doesn't.

0:40:150:40:17

Who would get in the studio first?

0:40:170:40:18

We would all get there together.

0:40:180:40:20

I was always first.

0:40:200:40:22

So, hang on a second.

0:40:220:40:25

Is it my imagination, or is there Watt?

0:40:250:40:28

Did you say you always first and you said we get

0:40:280:40:31

there together?

0:40:310:40:32

Pretty much.

0:40:320:40:33

You get the album title?

0:40:330:40:34

Alone.

0:40:340:40:35

Good.

0:40:350:40:36

And of course you are in the Pretenders now?

0:40:360:40:38

Apparently I am.

0:40:380:40:39

Is he a Pretender?

0:40:390:40:40

A guitar hero, that is why I chose him to produce my record.

0:40:400:40:44

I liked the way he holds the guitar.

0:40:440:40:45

It is all about guitar.

0:40:450:40:47

It is all about the guitar.

0:40:470:40:48

Well, we have got a bit of footage of the Pretenders in I believe 1979.

0:40:480:40:53

# I got rhythm

0:40:540:40:56

# I can't miss a beat

0:40:560:40:59

# I got new skank

0:40:590:41:00

# It's so reet

0:41:000:41:03

# I got something

0:41:030:41:05

# I'm winking at you

0:41:050:41:08

# Gonna make you, make you, make you notice

0:41:080:41:12

# Gonna use my arms

0:41:130:41:16

# Gonna use my legs

0:41:160:41:18

# Gonna use my style

0:41:180:41:21

# Gonna use my sidestep

0:41:210:41:24

# Gonna use my fingers

0:41:240:41:26

# Gonna use my, my imagination...

0:41:260:41:32

CHEERING.

0:41:320:41:35

That's great.

0:41:380:41:39

That's a great period, isn't it?

0:41:390:41:40

It was.

0:41:400:41:42

Actually, it was, when we had James Honeyman-Scott.

0:41:420:41:44

Of course Martin is still here the last Pretender standing.

0:41:440:41:48

Martin, come and be here.

0:41:480:41:52

You are not miked up, but it doesn't matter.

0:41:520:41:55

I'll shout!

0:41:550:41:56

That's probably a good thing.

0:41:560:41:57

I'd like to say what a blast it has been having Dan with us

0:41:570:42:01

the last rehearsals.

0:42:010:42:02

It has been fantastic.

0:42:020:42:03

Thank you.

0:42:030:42:04

So you are paying him now?

0:42:040:42:05

I'm paying everybody.

0:42:050:42:06

Well, it is great seeing that beautiful bit of footage,

0:42:060:42:09

great having you here.

0:42:090:42:10

We are looking forward to more things from this wonderful record.

0:42:100:42:12

Thank you for joining us, Chrissie and the band.

0:42:120:42:15

Legendary producer, legendary person.

0:42:150:42:18

We love you.

0:42:180:42:20

Over here, brand-new talent in the exquisite

0:42:210:42:23

form of Sam Henshaw.

0:42:230:42:27

APPLAUSE.

0:42:270:42:30

# I've been procrastinating for far too long

0:42:400:42:45

# I don't know where I'm heading

0:42:470:42:50

# But I'll move further, just move further

0:42:500:42:54

# I'm so used to rejection but I don't mind

0:42:550:43:00

# Said I'll be alright, said I'll be just fine

0:43:000:43:08

# I'm working on my masterpiece

0:43:080:43:10

# And I'm making it with these hands

0:43:100:43:15

# This fate is not my destiny

0:43:150:43:18

# So I'm shaping it with these hands

0:43:180:43:22

# Well, I'm giving and giving my all

0:43:220:43:27

# Oh, well I give till I can't give no more

0:43:270:43:30

# I'm working on my masterpiece

0:43:300:43:34

# And I'm shaping it with these hands

0:43:340:43:38

# There's beauty in progression and no hope in fear

0:43:390:43:45

# Said you can't keep me in the same position

0:43:450:43:49

# I refuse, refuse to stay here

0:43:490:43:54

# Not always learned my lesson, but I don't mind

0:43:540:44:00

# Said I will be all right, I will be just fine

0:44:000:44:09

# I'll keep working on my masterpiece

0:44:090:44:12

# And I'm making it with these hands

0:44:120:44:17

# This fate is not my destiny

0:44:170:44:22

# No, no, so I'm shaping it with these hands

0:44:220:44:28

# Sing, oh, well, I'm giving and giving my all

0:44:280:44:30

# Oh, well I give till I can't give no more

0:44:300:44:33

# Working on my masterpiece

0:44:330:44:35

# And I'm making it with these hands

0:44:350:44:44

# Oh, these hands are only made of flesh and bone

0:44:470:44:50

# And I will stand, not ready give up on home

0:44:500:44:54

# I will go wherever I may need to go

0:44:540:44:59

# I won't give up

0:45:020:45:04

# I won't give up, no

0:45:050:45:07

# Oh

0:45:080:45:12

# I'll keep working on it

0:45:160:45:19

# With these hands

0:45:190:45:29

# Oh, well I'm giving and giving my all

0:45:300:45:33

# Oh, well, I give till I can't give no more

0:45:330:45:35

# Oh, keep working

0:45:350:45:36

# With these hands

0:45:360:45:37

# I'm working on my masterpiece

0:45:370:45:41

# And I'm making it with these hands

0:45:410:45:44

# Said this fate is not my destiny

0:45:440:45:49

# So I'm shaping it with these hands

0:45:490:45:53

# Said, when I give, when I give my all

0:45:530:45:57

# When I gave till I can't give no more

0:45:570:46:03

# Working on my masterpiece

0:46:030:46:07

# And I'm making it with these hands

0:46:070:46:10

# Oh #.

0:46:100:46:13

CHEERING.

0:46:140:46:20

# Summertime and the livin' is easy

0:46:440:46:50

# Fish are jumpin'

0:46:500:46:50

# Fish are jumpin'

0:47:010:47:03

# And the cotton is high

0:47:060:47:13

# Your daddy's rich

0:47:190:47:21

# And your ma is good-lookin'

0:47:220:47:26

# So hush little baby

0:47:320:47:36

# Don't you cry

0:47:370:47:41

# Don't you cry

0:47:440:47:45

# Don't you cry

0:47:470:47:49

# One of these mornings

0:48:430:48:46

# You're going to rise up singin'

0:48:490:48:55

# You'll spread your wings

0:48:580:49:03

# And you'll take to the sky

0:49:050:49:09

# But till that morning

0:49:150:49:18

# There ain't nothing can harm you

0:49:210:49:30

# With Daddy and Mamma standing by

0:49:330:49:37

# Standing by

0:49:390:49:42

# They're standing by

0:49:430:49:47

CHEERING.

0:50:110:50:21

The amazing Joanne Shaw Taylor.

0:50:220:50:26

Summertime, from her album Wild, Joanne Shaw Taylor.

0:50:270:50:30

Before that, we welcomed another marvellous

0:50:320:50:33

talent, Samm Henshaw.

0:50:330:50:35

CHEERING.

0:50:350:50:39

More new great stuff.

0:50:390:50:40

A wonderful, brilliant new artist from London,

0:50:400:50:47

singing about London.

0:50:470:50:48

We welcome Ray BLK.

0:50:480:50:49

APPLAUSE.

0:50:490:50:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:50:530:50:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:50:550:50:57

Yeah.

0:50:570:50:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:51:000:51:03

# Yeah, yeah, yeah

0:51:030:51:05

# Love me, love me, say that you love me

0:51:110:51:14

# Call me, call me, you never do

0:51:140:51:18

# Money, money, always above me

0:51:180:51:22

# You're too busy selling food

0:51:220:51:24

# Are you really ready or are you wasting my time?

0:51:250:51:29

# Cos if you ain't try'na wife me you need to get off my line

0:51:320:51:36

# Don't make me beg

0:51:380:51:40

# Don't make me beg

0:51:410:51:43

# Don't make me beg

0:51:450:51:47

# Don't make me beg

0:51:480:51:51

# Cos I want you

0:51:520:51:54

# Say, I want you

0:51:560:51:57

# Eh, I want you

0:51:590:52:02

# Say, I want you

0:52:030:52:05

# What, 50/50, that's all you give me

0:52:080:52:12

# And I give 100 to you

0:52:120:52:14

# Takeaway, we don't go for dinner

0:52:150:52:18

# Making love, no, we barely do

0:52:190:52:22

# If you really want me you gotta step up your game

0:52:230:52:26

# You better make it quick before I don't feel the same

0:52:290:52:34

# Don't make me beg

0:52:360:52:38

# Don't make me beg

0:52:390:52:42

# Don't make me beg

0:52:430:52:45

# Don't make me beg

0:52:460:52:49

# Cos I want you

0:52:500:52:51

# Say, I want you

0:52:520:52:55

# Yeah, I want you

0:52:570:52:59

# Say, I want you

0:53:000:53:03

# But you got me stressin', got me beggin'

0:53:060:53:10

# Feeling like I'm just your bredrin You got me stressin'

0:53:100:53:13

# Oh boy, you do my head in You got me beggin'

0:53:130:53:16

# Feeling like I'm just your bredrin Just your bredrin

0:53:160:53:20

# Got me stressin', you got me beggin'

0:53:210:53:23

# Feeling like I'm just your bredrin Just your bredrin

0:53:230:53:27

# Oh boy, you do my head in You got me beggin'

0:53:270:53:30

# Feeling like I'm just your bredrin Just your bredrin

0:53:300:53:32

Yeah!

0:53:320:53:35

# I want you

0:53:360:53:38

# Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

0:53:380:53:41

# I want you

0:53:410:53:43

Lewisham, what we sayin'?

0:53:430:53:45

# Cos I want you

0:53:450:53:48

# Say I want you

0:53:520:53:55

# Yeah, I want you

0:53:580:54:01

# Say I want you

0:54:020:54:04

# Say I want you. #

0:54:050:54:08

CHEERING.

0:54:080:54:12

Ray BLK.

0:54:160:54:18

5050 from her album Durt.

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And now we welcome back in this corner, Pretenders!

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One, two, three, four.

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# You gotta wait

0:54:400:54:42

# Hold it back and hold it tight

0:54:420:54:46

# You gotta wait

0:54:460:54:48

# Another day, another night

0:54:480:54:52

# You gotta wait

0:54:520:54:55

# Steady as a judge

0:54:550:54:58

# You gotta wait

0:54:580:55:01

# Wait it like a grudge

0:55:010:55:04

# You gotta wait, wait, hold the date

0:55:040:55:06

# Hesitate and wait

0:55:060:55:07

# Wait, wait, don't be late

0:55:070:55:09

# Save a plate

0:55:090:55:10

# Wait, wait, reinstate, too late

0:55:100:55:13

# Wait

0:55:130:55:14

# You gotta wait

0:55:280:55:30

# Like a car that wouldn't start

0:55:300:55:34

# You gotta wait

0:55:340:55:36

# At the pharmacy in Walmart

0:55:360:55:40

# You gotta wait

0:55:400:55:42

# For an oxycontin comedown

0:55:420:55:46

# You gotta wait

0:55:460:55:48

# Unload and put your gun down

0:55:480:55:51

# You gotta wait, wait, hold the date

0:55:520:55:54

# Hesitate and wait

0:55:540:55:55

# Wait, wait, save the plate

0:55:550:55:57

# Don't be late - wait

0:55:570:55:58

# Wait, wait, reinstate, take the bait

0:55:580:56:01

# Wait

0:56:010:56:03

Go, Danny boy, go!

0:56:140:56:17

# Wait

0:56:290:56:30

# When the waiting list is long

0:56:300:56:33

# You gotta wait

0:56:330:56:36

# Can you see where you belong?

0:56:360:56:42

# You gotta wait

0:56:420:56:43

# A hundred million faces

0:56:430:56:45

# You gotta wait

0:56:450:56:48

# You'll be going stranger places

0:56:480:56:52

One, two, three

0:56:520:56:55

# You gotta wait, wait, hold the date

0:56:560:56:58

# Hesitate and wait

0:56:580:56:59

# Wait, wait, save a plate, don't be late

0:56:590:57:01

# Wait, wait, take the bait, hesitate

0:57:010:57:04

# Wait.#

0:57:040:57:05

CHEERING.

0:57:050:57:12

# We can remember

0:57:290:57:31

# Swimming in December

0:57:320:57:34

# Heading for the city lights

0:57:360:57:39

# In 1975

0:57:400:57:42

# We share in each other

0:57:440:57:47

# Nearer than farther

0:57:480:57:50

# The scent of a lemon

0:57:510:57:55

# Drips from your eyes

0:57:550:57:58

# We are the people

0:57:590:58:01

# That rule the world

0:58:010:58:03

# A force running in

0:58:030:58:05

# Every boy and girl

0:58:050:58:07

# All rejoicing in the world

0:58:070:58:10

# Take me now

0:58:100:58:12

# We can try

0:58:130:58:15

# We lived an adventure

0:58:150:58:18

# Love in the summer

0:58:190:58:21

# Followed the sun till night

0:58:230:58:24

# Reminiscing other times of life

0:58:260:58:30

# For each every other

0:58:310:58:34

# The feeling stronger

0:58:340:58:37

# The shock hit eleven

0:58:380:58:42

# Got lost in your eyes

0:58:420:58:44

# Can't do well when I think

0:58:460:58:47

# You're gonna leave

0:58:470:58:49

# But I know I try

0:58:490:58:51

# Are you gonna leave me now?

0:58:520:58:56

# Can't you be believing now?

0:58:560:59:00

# I can't do well when I think

0:59:010:59:03

# You're gonna leave

0:59:030:59:04

# But I know I try

0:59:040:59:07

# Are you gonna leave me now?

0:59:080:59:12

# Can't you be believing now?

0:59:120:59:15

# Can you remember and humanise

0:59:180:59:22

# It was still where we'd energised

0:59:220:59:25

# Lie in the sand and visualise

0:59:250:59:29

# Like it's '75 again

0:59:290:59:33

# We are the people

0:59:330:59:35

# That rule the world

0:59:350:59:37

# A force running in every boy and girl

0:59:370:59:41

# All rejoicing in the world

0:59:410:59:44

# Take me now

0:59:440:59:46

# We can try

0:59:470:59:49

# I can't do well

0:59:490:59:50

# When I think you're gonna leave me

0:59:500:59:52

# But I know I try

0:59:520:59:54

# Are you gonna leave me now?

0:59:540:59:58

# Can't you be believing now?

0:59:581:00:02

# I can't do well

1:00:031:00:05

# When I think you're gonna leave me

1:00:051:00:07

# But I know I try

1:00:071:00:10

# Are you gonna leave me now?

1:00:101:00:13

# Can't you be believing now?

1:00:141:00:18

# I know everything about you

1:00:351:00:38

# You know everything about me

1:00:391:00:42

# Know everything about us

1:00:431:00:46

# I know everything about you

1:00:501:00:51

# I can't do well

1:00:541:00:55

# When I think you're gonna leave me

1:00:551:00:57

# But I know I try

1:00:571:00:58

# Are you gonna leave me now?

1:00:581:01:01

# Can't you be believing now?

1:01:011:01:04

# I can't do well

1:01:061:01:08

# When I think you're gonna leave me

1:01:081:01:10

# But I know I try

1:01:101:01:12

# Are you gonna leave me now?

1:01:121:01:15

# Can't you be believing now?

1:01:161:01:19

# I can't do well

1:01:211:01:22

CHEERING.

1:01:251:01:29

What precision.

1:01:341:01:35

What fun.

1:01:351:01:36

Empire of the Sun!

1:01:361:01:39

What a fantastic, lovely spectacle with these beautiful hydroponic

1:01:391:01:42

plants and everything.

1:01:421:01:44

Next week, please join us.

1:01:441:01:45

You can see more on our website if you want to see more

1:01:451:01:48

of this week.

1:01:481:01:49

Please join us.

1:01:491:01:50

We will have KT Tunstall, Haley Bonar, the Temptations,

1:01:501:01:52

Let's Eat Grandma, lots more.

1:01:521:01:53

But now, let's thank all of our guests, and we are going to invite

1:01:531:01:57

Joanne Shaw Taylor to give us a groove with that splendid guitar

1:01:571:02:00

that you've got about your person.

1:02:001:02:02

Yes, I'd like to thank Joanne Shaw Taylor.

1:02:061:02:09

CHEERING.

1:02:091:02:12

Samm Henshaw and his wonderful band.

1:02:141:02:15

CHEERING.

1:02:151:02:18

We thank and we enjoyed Empire of the Sun.

1:02:211:02:23

CHEERING.

1:02:231:02:26

It's Loudon Wainright III.

1:02:301:02:30

CHEERING.

1:02:301:02:33

The daddy of them all.

1:02:331:02:35

Thank you, Pretenders.

1:02:371:02:38

CHEERING.

1:02:381:02:41

Thank you, Bad Company.

1:02:421:02:44

CHEERING.

1:02:441:02:48

The greatest voice on earth.

1:02:481:02:49

Thank you, Ray BLK.

1:02:491:02:53

CHEERING.

1:02:531:02:56

Be seeing you, then.

1:02:561:02:58

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