Episode 5 Later... with Jools Holland

APPLAUSE.

Welcome to another edition of the show.

Legends, newies, people from all over the globe -

we've got the lot!

Please welcome now - 10cc!

# Gimme your body.

# Gimme your mind.

# Open your heart.

# Pull down your blind.

# Gimme your love, gimme it all.

# Gimme in the kitchen, gimme in the hall.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

# Gimme the readies.

# Gimme the cash.

# You give me a bullet.

# Gimme a smash.

# Gimme a silver, gimme a gold.

# Make it a million for when I get old.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

# Money talks so listen to it.

# Money talks to me.

# Anyone can understand it.

# Money can't be beat, oh no.

# When you get down, down to the root.

# Don't give a damn, don't give a hoot.

# Still gotta keep makin' the loot.

# Chauffeur driven.

# Gotta make her quick as you can.

# Give her lovin', make you a man.

# Get her in the palm of your hand.

# Bread from heaven.

# Gimme a country.

# Where I can be free.

# I don't need no unions.

# Burying me.

# Keep me in exile the rest of my days.

# Burn me in hell but as long as it pays.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

# Art for art's sake.

# Money for God's sake.

APPLAUSE.

Thank you so much!

10cc, Art For Art's Sake.

Thank you to 10cc.

First of all, I must say that unfortunately,

as advertised, Stormzy is unwell so he couldn't be here.

We've got somebody fantastic to replace him.

But we do have artists from every five corners of the globe,

ladies and gentlemen.

We have from...

All the way from Los Angeles, Benjamin Booker!

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The wonderful Benjamin Booker.

We have, from Louisville, Kentucky, Joan Shelley!

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The camera is stuck over there so I'm going to come to you.

We have, from London and Nigeria, stepping in at the last minute,

we are delighted to have Ibibio Sound Machine!

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All over the globe.

We are so pleased to have from Norway, Sigrid!

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But now, from Vancouver, let's big it up, please,

for the Japandroids!

APPLAUSE.

# The future's under fire.

# The past is gaining ground.

# A continuous cold war between my home and my hometown.

# I was destined to die dreaming.

# When one day, my best friend.

# With passion and pure provocation.

# Summoned me and said.

# You can't condemn your love.

# To linger here and die.

# Can't leave your dreams to chance.

# Or to a spirit in the sky.

# May your heart always be ardent.

# Your conscience always clear.

# And succumb to the city and surrender, baby.

# I'll be waiting here.

# And it got me all fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# And it got me all fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# So I left my home.

# And all I had.

# I used to be good but now I'm bad.

# It was last call at my local.

# And I stalled saying goodbye.

# So the girl behind the bar came over.

# And she took me aside.

# She kissed me like a chorus, said give 'em hell for us.

# And last drink of the night, last night in town.

# Baby, this one is on the house.

# And it got me all fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# And it got me all fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# So I left my home.

# And all I had.

# I used to be good but now I'm bad.

# It was bedlam in my bed that night.

# And like a silent scream.

# My body broke out in a sweat.

# From seeing you in dreams.

# You called out to me.

# I sang back to you.

# And all I remember was it sounded, baby.

# Like all hell breaking loose.

# And it got me all fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# Fired up.

# To go far away.

# And make some ears ring from the sound of my singing, baby.

# Oh oh, oh oh.

# So I left my home.

# And all I had.

# I used to be good but now I'm bad.

APPLAUSE.

Thank you, Japandroids.

Near To The Wild Heart Of Life.

Their philosophy, their album and the song they just played for you.

Now, we welcome into the studio some people that very kindly stepped

in at the very last minute to join us because Stormzy couldn't be here.

We're so pleased to have the wonderful West African

sound of Ibibio Sound Machine.

APPLAUSE.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

# Give me a reason.

# Give me a reason.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

APPLAUSE.

Ibibio Sound Machine.

Give Me A Reason, from their Uyai album.

Let's hear it for them, thank you!

Thank you for coming in at the last moment, as well.

So, now an artist, this is his second album.

He came on the show a few years ago.

He now has this new record.

It is really great.

It's got a beautiful feel, a beautiful band,

it is Benjamin Booker!

APPLAUSE.

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Right now we could use a little pick-me-up.

# Seems like the whole damn nation's trying to take us down.

# When your brother's dying.

# Mother's crying.

# TV's lying.

# All the reason's in the world don't mean ...

to me now.

# See we thought that we saw that he had a gun.

# Thought that it looked like he started to run.

# Thought that we saw that he had a gun.

# Thought that it looked like he started to run.

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Do you need another reason to get up.

# See how fast they turn when you're looking up.

# They say your dangerous.

# Cancerous.

# Not to trust.

# Now everybody that's can get the...

# See we thought that we saw that he had a gun.

# Thought that it looked like he started to run.

# Thought that we saw that he had a gun.

# Thought that it looked like he started to run.

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Am I.

# Am I.

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Gonna be a witness?

# Am I?

# Whoooo.

APPLAUSE.

Witness, from his album, Witness, Benjamin Booker!

APPLAUSE.

Now, a wonderful songwriter from Louisville, Kentucky,

who we welcome into the studio.

Please big it up for Joan Shelley!

APPLAUSE.

# I saw you there.

# Beside the light post.

# Your shoulders square.

# Against the night's cold.

# I blamed the wind and my legs shook.

# But your eyes, that hungry look.

# It shot through me.

# Didn't you see?

# And now I dream.

# I dream of you and me.

# Out in the fall.

# Always the fall.

# I see the ground we walked and played.

# I see the place that holds the weight.

# The size of you.

# Well, what I do.

# Tell me where to lie and I will.

# Ship unto you sent, where I find you.

# Tie me to the banks and hold me.

# Safe from all the storms that fall behind me.

# Out on the blank sea.

# And take my hands.

# My idle time.

# Push them to plant, the forms defined.

# That it was all we had to do.

# Reach the highest limb for fruit.

# That was for you.

# Only for you.

# Tell me where to land, I'll aim my ship until you send,

where I'll find you.

# Tie me to the banks and hold me.

# Safe from all the storms that fall behind me.

# Out on the blank sea.

APPLAUSE.

Joan Shelley, Where I'll Find You.

Now we go into what is becoming Legends Corner,

known as Legends Corner because it is a corner

where legends are.

And the legend here now is Graham Gouldman.

Welcome, Graham.

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A lovely table we have got here.

It is great to have you here on the show and some of the original

members of 10cc and some new members as well.

What is the current line-up?

The current line-up is we have got Rick Fenn, who has been

with the band since 1976.

Paul Burgess, who has been with us since 1973,

from when the original four of us went on the road.

We have got Mick Wilson, who has been with us

for a mere 20 years.

New boy?

And Keith Hayman, 12 years, very new boy.

Bands that have been together for a long time or have played

together often have huge rows and a love-hate relationship.

It is that true with your band or how does it work?

The band that exists today are really like a bunch of friends.

And we get on really well.

When we play, people come up to us all the time and say,

you look like you are really enjoying yourselves.

And the fact is, we really are.

We love playing together.

Is he your friend?

Yes?

They all say yes!

Just checking!

Of course, you have written lots of songs for 10cc but also

lots of songs for other people.

Herman's Hermits, No Milk Today.

The Hollies, Bus Stop.

The Yardbirds, For Your Love.

What is the favourite of your songs you have written?

That is a tough one but I think I would have to say Bus Stop.

I really like doing that.

For me, as a songwriter, that was the nearest I got

to what I was looking for.

And what was it you were looking for?

Just some sort of perfection that you can never really attain.

There's always something.

But I love that song very much.

And when you had written that song, did you think, right,

I have got to get it to The Hollies or I have to get it to anybody?

How did it work?

I actually wrote it for The Hollies.

Because they had already recorded a song of mine,

Look Through Any Window, prior to that.

And as it happens, I was playing in a band that was supporting

The Hollies at Stoke Town Hall and they said, have

you got any songs?

I said, yes, I have just written one.

And we went to the quietest and smallest room in the building

and I played it to them and they said it's great,

make a demo and we'll record it.

I think within about three weeks, they had recorded it.

Now, we have a clip in a moment of Rubber Bullets,

which is 10cc in concert in 1974.

What inspired that song?

Well, this song was originally...

The original idea came from Kevin and Lol.

I sort of joined in at the end of it and wrote the middle part.

It was really films like Angels With Dirty Faces,

those Jimmy Cagney films, with the padre and the priest

looking after the prisoners.

And it was an absolutely brilliant song, I think.

We have a little bit, if we can take you down the time tunnel,

out of Legends Corner, down the time tunnel.

And here we go...

# Well, the band were playing.

# And the booze began to flow.

# But the sound came over on the police car radio.

# Down at Precinct forty-nine.

# Having a tear-gas of a time.

# Sergeant Baker got a call from the governor

of the county jail.

# Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets.

# Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets.

# I love to hear those convicts squeal.

# It's a shame these slugs ain't real.

# But we can't have dancin' at the local county jail.

APPLAUSE.

Nice.

Two drummers.

Yes, you have to have two!

Bookends as drummers, drummer at either end, there.

That was 1974.

In music and in the world, what do you think was

better and worse in 1974?

I think the music was great in 1974.

For me, the '60s were where my roots came from.

And I think there was a lot of prog rock towards the end of it.

I didn't really care for that too much.

But I think the '70s as a decade was a great music decade.

Yeah.

Finally, and I would just like to get this straight

because has been a lot of conjecture over the years in the newspapers

about the meaning behind the name of 10cc.

For once and for all, where does the name come from?

What does it mean?

I will tell you the truth.

The name 10cc was thought up by Jonathan King,

who ran our first record label, UK Records.

He came up to our studio, we were born in the studio,

we had not been on the road, we weren't a real band.

He said, have you got a name?

We said, no.

He said, I had a dream last night I was standing in front

of the Hammersmith Apollo and on the hoarding it said 10cc -

the best band in the world.

And we said, that'll do!

We didn't really stress it!

OK.

So nothing lewd, really?

I think you are referring to the fact that the average

male ejaculation is 9cc?

That's the bit I was trying to get to!

That's the one!

Well, we use that because it's shorter and more interesting.

Yes, that was what I was trying to get to the bottom of.

Thank you so much for joining us!

Graham Gouldman of 10cc.

If I see a bit of innuendo in that script, I whip it out immediately!

So, now, over in this corner, please welcome Japandroids!

# Born to marry the bottle in a ceremony that lasts forever.

# And cursed to carry on a bus and all alone.

# Weak and weary on the run and on the road.

# But if you'll hide me and heal me in your.

# Sanctuary, I'll stay forever so.

# Leave the light on, I'll leave the bottle to its own.

# So many miles.

# So much to lose.

# A devil by my side.

# And right between us two.

# And I pray those yellow lines on the I5.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Born to marry the bottle in a ceremony that lasts forever and.

# Cursed to carry on a bus and all alone.

# Weak and weary on the run and on the road.

# But if you'll hide me and heal me in your.

# Sanctuary, I'll stay forever so.

# Leave the light on, I'll leave the bottle to its own.

# So many miles.

# So much to lose.

# A devil by my side.

# And right between us two.

# And I pray those yellow lines on the I5.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# So many miles.

# So much to lose.

# A devil by my side.

# And right between us two.

# And I pray those yellow lines on the I5.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Bring me back home to you.

# Back home to you.

# Back home to you.

APPLAUSE.

# I'm not in love.

# So don't forget it.

# It's just a silly phase.

# I'm going through.

# And just because.

# I call you up.

# Don't get me wrong.

# Don't think you've got it made.

# I'm not in love.

# No, no.

# It's because...

# I like to see you.

# But then again.

# That doesn't mean.

# You mean that much to me.

# So if I call you.

# Don't make a fuss.

# Don't tell your friends.

# About the two of us.

# I'm not in love.

# No, no.

# It's because...

# Ooh, you'll wait a long time for me.

# Ooh, you'll wait a long time.

# Ooh, you'll wait a long time for me.

# Ooh, you'll wait a long time.

# I keep your picture.

# Upon the wall.

# It hides a nasty stain.

# That's lying there.

# So don't you ask me.

# To give it back.

# I know you know.

# It doesn't mean that much to me.

# I'm not in love.

# Aah, aah.

# Aah, aah.

# Ooh, baby.

# I'm not in love, I'm not in love.

# Yeah, yeah.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Great song.

Originally released in 1975, 10CC.

Before that, Japandroids!

And now, let's welcome an artist whose song is a

big hit all over the world.

She is from Bergen in Norway and she is

going to do an acoustic version of the song

you might have been hearing on the

radio.

Please welcome, Sigrid.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# You shut me down, you like the control.

# You speak to me like I'm a child.

# Try to hold it down, I know the answer.

# I can't shake it off and you feel threatened by me.

# I tried to play it nice but.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't kill my vibe.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't break my stride.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# But I wanted you to know that you don't belong here.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# Don't kill my vibe.

# You love to tear me down, you pick me apart.

# Then build me up like I depend on you.

# But I throw myself from heights that used to scare me.

# Guess you're surprised I'm the puzzle you can't figure out.

# I tried to play it nice but.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't kill my vibe.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't break my stride.

# I tried to play it nice but.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# But I wanted you to know that you don't belong here.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# Don't kill my vibe.

# Say I'm young, I don't care, I won't quit, no, no, no, ho.

# You're acting like you hurt me but I'm not even listening.

# Hey, no-ooh-ooh-ooh.

# You're acting like you hurt me but I'm not even listening.

# Don't kill.

# Don't kill my vibe.

# Don't kill my vibe.

# I tried to play it nice but.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't kill my vibe.

# Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh.

# Don't break my stride.

# I tried to play it nice but.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# But I wanted you to know that you don't belong here.

# You think you're so important to me, don't you?

# Don't kill my vibe.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Thank you so much, Sigrid!

Don't Kill My Vibe and her album is coming

this year and we look forward to hearing that,

exquisite and unusual sound.

Now we go back into this corner and enjoy the sensational

Benjamin Booker!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# Somehow I'm so selfish, on my own.

# I'll be damned if I don't get what I want.

# Take it now while I have the chance.

# Right now, I can only think for one.

# It's right on you, right on you, right on you.

# It's right on you, yeah, it's right on you.

# Yeah, it's right on you.

# Block those keys order G

# It's like everything I touch is gold.

# I'll be fine, stop by, 25.

# They say kids these days will live forever.

# It's right on you, right on you, right on you.

# It's right on you, yeah, it's right on you.

# Yeah, it's right on you.

# Death is hard to im-, is hard to im-.

# Is hard to imagine.

# Death is hard to im-, is hard to im-.

# Is hard to imagine.

# It's right on you, right on you, right on you.

# It's right on you, yeah, it's right on you.

# Yeah, it's right on you.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# Her ode to love.

# Who rules your mind today.

# What words hold you in their sway?

# As you move your body like.

# A puppet on its lines.

# Too easy to see influence.

# Rest up, lady.

# Lay back now.

# Here the hands, here the mouth.

# If you were made for me.

# We'd be home.

# See the morning light.

# Gentle as it tries.

# To make you new every morning.

# But if there is a light and stronger tools provided.

# To fire and water throw you.

# Rest up, lady.

# Lay back now.

# Here the hands, here the mouth.

# If you were made for me.

# Then we'd be home.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Sweet song.

We'd Be Home.

Joan Shelley!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Before that we enjoyed Benjamin Booker.

Now I think we will change the vibrations

once again.

Are you ready for a different vibration?

AUDIENCE: YES!

Do you think that the people at home are ready

for a different vibration?

AUDIENCE: YES!

It could be you, couldn't it?

Let's change the vibration and make another

wonderful sound appear which is, we welcome Ibibio Sound Machine!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

# She looked at the open door.

# Staring at the floor.

# Heartbeat going so fast.

# Land of confusion.

# She got free at last.

# Free at last to run.

# Behind she don't know.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

# She's free to run.

# Run and make a new start.

# Should she go or should she stay?

# In these walls she knows.

# Behind she don't know.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

SHE SINGS IN IBIBIO.

SHE RAPS IN IBIBIO.

# Hey, hey, hey!

SHE RAPS IN IBIBIO.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Marvellous.

Ibibio Sound Machine!

From the Uyai record.

Uyai!

I can see somebody's mum doing a bit of rapping there.

So now, let's change the vibrations, because we can.

It's Japandroids!

# Flesh is foreign, friends are far.

# Decks run deep, sleep is minced or marred.

# And it's all out war for the soul between.

# Dreams that are hungry and the fears that feed.

# But I'll carry it, by chariot, through blood and blows.

# Under starless skies of fire, into great unknown.

# Living on the lam and the frontier of.

# A free life of free will for the thrill of your love.

# Spill your secrets and paint my days.

# Passion is your palette, your canvases cafes.

# And null my nights in the harbour and hell.

# Of the cantina's counsel and meals of mezcal.

# Plans to settle down.

# Plans to up and split.

# Plans loose as the morals we are planning with.

# Baby be the beast, but free what burdens be.

# And I'll love you if you love me.

# All life long, 'til I'm gone.

# Cigarettes, sorcery, and biblical sins.

# Hangovers, heathens, harlots, and anti-heroines.

# The cabarets, the getaways, and the afterglow.

# A little money and whatever's on the radio.

# Plans to settle down.

# Plans to up and split.

# Plans loose as the morals we are planning with.

# Baby be the beast, but free what burdens be.

# And I'll love you if you love me.

# All life long, 'til I'm gone.

# All life.

# All life long, 'til I'm gone.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# Happiness, haven't we been through this?

# Tell you that I love you.

# Just try smiling.

# Some people take advantage.

# But I know, sometimes you don't mind.

# Freshen up, I see her in the party.

# Just stay a little longer, at least try and smile.

# The perk of getting older.

# Is learning to ignore the way we feel.

# And that's hardly working, hardly working, hardly working.

# Out.

# And it's been hardly working.

# Hardly working.

# Hardly working out.

# I know you give me all the things in life that I may never have had.

# I know it's supposed to mean something.

# Maybe I should just be glad.

# But now I'm hearing voices.

# Now I'm hearing voices.

# You have got to get out now.

# A new assurance brings a confidence I never had.

# Now I'm making choices.

# That I hardly knew.

# Hallelujah.

# We're off the ground.

# Hallelujah.

# We're off the ground.

# We're are all just lost in pieces.

# Don't you worry.

# Just remember.

# I was almost gone.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

The talent that is Benjamin Booker with his Off The Ground.

From his Witness LP, before that, Japandroids!

Can I just point out?

Those whole set of amplifiers are just for him and quite rightly so

and that is what gives them their power.

But now we go into this corner, welcome back, the legendary

10CC!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# Do the Wall Street shuffle.

# Hear the money rustle.

# Watch the greenbacks tumble.

# Feel the sterling crumble.

# You need a yen to make a mark.

# If you want to make money.

# You need the luck to make a buck.

# If you want to be Getty, Rothschild.

# You've gotta be cool on Wall Street.

# When your index is low.

# Dow Jones ain't got time for the bums.

# They wind up on skid row with holes in their pockets.

# They plead with you, buddy can you spare the dime.

# But you ain't got the time.

# Doin' the.

# Oh, Howard Hughes.

# Did your money make you better?

# Are you waiting for the hour.

# When you can screw me?

# 'Cause you're big enough.

# To do the Wall Street Shuffle.

# Let your money hustle.

# Bet you'd sell your mother.

# You can buy another.

# Doin' the.

# You buy and sell.

# You wheel and deal.

# But you're living on instinct.

# You get a tip.

# You follow it.

# And you make a big killing.

# On Wall Street.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Thank you, 10CC.

Wall Street Shuffle.

You can discover more about all the different people we

have if you go to our website.

We will be back on Tuesday at ten o'clock, live with Paul Weller, and

much more, but let's end with a little bit of a groove that

maybe could involve everyone in the room

and perhaps you as well.

I suggest at this moment that you turn your

television up just a little bit and get a percussive instrument ready.

It might just be a teaspoon on the edge of a cup of coffee,

but could you give us that the groove, please?

We are in the key of E if you are at home.

Give me the microphone here, please.

# Yeah, yeah.

AUDIENCE: # YEAH, YEAH.

Keep going.

Thank you to all our guests.

Benjamin Booker!

Joan Shelley.

Japandroids.

Dazzling.

Sigrid!

We love Ibibio Sound Machine.

I hope you have got something going at home.

Thank you, 10CC!

Get ready to turn it.

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