Episode 6 Later... with Jools Holland

I'm delighted to welcome a man with a wonderful

# When the flame don't burn so bright

# Woo se mama but you don't get me #.

We welcome him back, with Woo Se Mama.

And we'll be having chats with the wonderful Billy Bragg.

There will be people over here applauding.

People like from New York, Maggie Rogers.

But now, from Gothenburg in Sweden, it is Little Dragon.

# Was that angel the stranded pop life?

# Just sit still in your chair, watch your fight

# Is it true that the spirit's long gone?

# Can we bring it back from the dead?

# You're such a freak, really don't care

# Whip out our knives, broken out here

# Waving the flags # Popping the tags

# You're such a freak, really don't care

# Whip out our knives, broken out here

# That new fizz in the air, not this time

# When you're desperate you care, we unwind

# Watch the fall of our empire on the big screen

# Will you take it to the big old dream?

# Will you make it to the big old dream?

# It's a sign you make it 'cause you want to be seen

# The road to fame, sit back in your chair

# You're such a freak, really don't care

# Whip out our knives, broken out here

# You're such a freak, really don't care

# Whip out our knives, broken out here

You will see more of the talented ensemble later on.

Now we move to this corner and welcome back to the show Alt-J.

# Blue neon lamp in a midnight country field

# Cows surround so you lean on, lean on

# So much your heart's become fond of this

# Oh, let me whisper like the rubbing hands

# I just want to love you in my own language

# The road erodes at five feet per year

# Oh, let me whisper like the rubbing hands

# I just want to love you in my own language. #

Alt J with Ellie Rowsell of Wolf Alice.

What a lovely name for an album, Relaxer.

So now our next artist is all over the radio at the moment.

It's her first time on the show, so I want you to give it up

for her in the biggest possible way as we welcome, from

# Moving slowly through westward water

# Oh me, oh my, I thought it was a dream

# Cut my hair so I could rock back and forth

# Oh me, oh my, I thought it was a dream

# You and I, there's air in between #.

# What can I play that you ain't heard before?

# If you don't like what you see on the menu

# Then tell me, tell me what you want

# If you don't like what you see, let's change the venue

# I can give you what you're wishing for

# And I'll give you more and more and more

# You're dying from suspense but this won't kill ya

# What can I do to get a second glance?

# Do you like what you see on the menu

# If you don't like what you see, let's change the menu

# I'll jump in the kitchen, I know what you're thinking

# I can give you what you're wishing for

# Tell me that you're sure and I can give you

# Customer satisfied, customer satisfied

Dazzling, brilliant and unique is the only way

Completely unaccompanied, brilliant drums, all with human voice -

Naturally 7, Keep The Customer Satisfied.

Before that we enjoyed Maggie Rogers.

A beautifully inspired Matisse dress as well.

But now, thank goodness, I'm so pleased this book has now

been written because it fills a gap in history that was completely

being ignored and now a man has made a great study of it.

I'm very pleased he's here to tell us about it,

So you've written this book - Roots, Radicals and Rockers -

It's really the history of how British pop music went from being,

sort of, a jazz based confection for grown-ups to becoming

a guitar-led music for teenagers and Loni Donegan and skiffle

First of all, why did you want to write this book?

I think the story of how skiffle emerged has really been obscured

over time because it comes out of trad jazz and trad jazz

is incredibly unfashionable, no-one wants to talk about that.

No-one wants to talk about the fact that The Who - I love it!

The Who were originally a trad jazz band, you know.

So it's kind of almost a sort of unwritten

Yes, and played in the trad jazz way, played in

Not an overly trained or schooled way?

Rod Stewart was in a skiffle band where there were 12 guitar players

and he never knew that they had to tune the guitars together,

And the bass with the stretch - Yeah, yeah.

The tea chess base, with a piece of string on a broom handle

because they couldn't really afford to buy the instruments.

There were very few - it was all acoustic

There weren't any electric guitars around for people to buy.

A lot of great stars which you're talking about have been

We're coming up to the 60th an anniversary, 6th July 1957,

when Paul McCartney meets John Lennon.

Lennon's band, a skiffle band, The Quarrymen,

are playing at a school, a church fete in Liverpool, and it

Almost all those bands from the 1960s were all

Now, a lot of the skiffle artists are male, aren't they?

Predominantly it was a male - There are some female ones?

Well, Nancy Whiskey, who sang with Chas McDevitt,

Peggy Seeger sang a little bit as well.

There was Hylda Sims in The City Ramblers,

but I'd say Nancy was the prime female involved in it.

Well, we've got a little bit of this here.

# Freight train, freight train, going so fast.

# Would you tell me where he's gone #.

Fantastic whistling there by Chas McDevitt there.

Lovely rhythm, it's like real dance stuff.

I mean the young people wanted to jive and skiffle

It kind of like comes just before rock-and-roll.

Donegan has a hit, six months before Presley has a hit and that's

what kind of kicks off the whole connection with rock-and-roll.

No, there was no skiffle in the United States of America.

Loni Donegan, had a hit with Rock Island Line, but it's

What happens is, they're so young when they're playing.

I mean, George Harrison, Paul McCartney and John Lennon

were 13, 14 and 15 respectively when they saw Donegan in '56.

It's what they're doing five years later.

Our young men are already in Hamburg when the American young men are just

That's what leads to the British invasion

of the American charts in '64, '65.

Also, because I'm going to be speaking to Giles Martin

So it's a whole circular thing that goes on.

His dad produced The Vipers, the skiffle Clash,

Thank you very much for joining us, Billy Bragg.

This is a great book and it's also the first, it fills that gap.

So now a very talented - now we fly forward into 2017.

Here we are now and we welcome, from Streatham, a brilliant

new artist who's very highly thought of - Dave.

# Picture me, 23, a bag of sold out shows

# I made it out of music, I took all my bros

# And this merchandise is poppin, I sell all my clothes

# And all these hoes are ghost, I got one real girl

# Picture me, 23, I didn't chase my dreams

# My mum wanted me to do finance, so I came off beats

# And now I'm sitting at a desk, with a 2:2 in finance

# Eating pasta on my lunch break while I'm scribbling my rhymes

# And picture me, 17, in an all black suit

# Laying still in a coffin, surrounded by my crew

# Giving half-heart apologies for watching while they bottled me

# Or running when they shot at me you're next up if you prodigy, wait

# A road banger, I hope that you don't notice me

# Kill him in seven ways, lemon haze how I smoke a G

# Name can get you out the beef, pissed if you owe me Ps

# Them boys try and piss take, boy, what a mistake

# I'll come back with a shotty and blow your lungs out your ribcage

# Picture me a snitch, nah I couldn't picture that

# Picture me a snitch, nah I couldn't ever think of that

# So she let my talent go to waste like Robinho

# I've been involved, I've seen the roads

# Where the good die young, and the bad get life

# But Picture me, a legend, worldwide or in Streatham

# Known for words in a sentence I put verbs in a sentence

# But what about the kids that ain't athletes or rappers?

# What about the kids that ain't athletes or rappers

# Picture you, I don't know your picture

# And can you take out all the man thats gonna taint it for me?

# And can you take out all the girls that's gonna waste it for me?

# Or illustrate how you're gonna get to all these places for me?

# And if you can't, then don't worry g you got time

# But you just need to paint a picture, or just sketch a draft

# Cos, how you know you're going down the wrong road

# If you're in a dark place, and you don't select a path

# But picture you talking loads about goals and riches

# With a phone, full of cro shots, hoes and bitches

# And a head filled with fast dreams I talk to God like it's RE

# About my picture cause I can't see I'm at war with my mind

# So I'm still with a sket getting Ed like Hardy

# And I don't mind cause them man there all speakers like parties

with a black star on my waist like Kwame

# It's like I wasn't dialling banks for some pay

# While you was busy flicking shanks for a name

# It's like I wasn't dialling banks for some pay

# Or busy robbin' drugs, with a dipper

# Cause I got prison in my skin

# But I won't ever have a prison in my picture

# Principles a killer, all for the skrilla

# So don't let anybody tell you to put drugs in the cling

# And don't let anybody tell you you can't run,

# Now you can work a 9 to 5 if it makes you smile at night

# Cause you can have a billion and dead

# You can have 20 grand flat and live a long,

# I don't know your picture, can you paint it for me?

# And can you tell me where you batch of friends is taking you

# And can you tell me what your aspirations are, your dreams

# Forget the money brother, tell me what makes you you

# Can you tell me why you wake up, what makes you tick

# What makes you smile, what makes you laugh

# Can you tell me why you're on this earth

# You get your picture, get to painting

# You get your picture, get to painting

# Are you the guy inside the hospital

# Or working with the surgeons and the nurses tryna save him

# A picture you didn't paint I bet them boys think I'm panicking

# Stop saying that you beef me, it's embarrassing

# Now every other yute is on chatty ting

# See me in a rave, it's black blades, lightsabers call me Anakin

# Music, money, paigons, education, fam I handle it

# I try so hard in my tracks to give a message

# But it's messed cah I'll still get you shredded by some savages

# I had labels playing deal or no deal

# My whole team Nike'd out to the socks you should know better

# It's time to paint your picture, my brother

He has an album coming out this year which we

Now we've come to this corner and we welcome

with a wonderful new album, Paul Weller.

# In late night bars the ghost of Hopper

# In late-night bars the ghost of Hopper

# Speaks in whispers only he can here

# Smiles like a lion, sighs like a lamb

# While you are waiting for the change

# In late-night bars the whims of Hopper

# Wonders where all the people go when the lights go down

# Answers all your questions with a gesture

# I'm sat in the corner, by the wall

# Become part of the painting, there's no point fighting at all

# I'm quite relaxed, it's fine with me

# All you ever dream of is right here, baby

# Racing endlessly, well, we're not scared

# All you truly want, hey, has come true, baby

# Don't let little worries make you blue

# Riding through the storm. # You truly want, girl.

# It's come true, baby. # In your blood now.

# It's your time. # I, I, I.

# I, I, I. Wonderful Little Dragon

with Celebrate. Before that, the

sensational Paul Weller. I seem to be carrying

a lot of things. I've got this, look,

it's for Jools Holland. Well, I happen to know

that it is to celebrate 50 years since the release of Sergeant Pepper

will stop it has just been remixed by Giles Martin,

who is our guest now. A helpful bloke,

Billy Bragg, marvellous. Just getting it out

of the box, it's like, there it is, is this the copy of the box

that the original Sergeant Pepper? This is the copy of the original

box, the tape box, original mix, Your father of course

was Sir George Martin, the producer of this

record in the first place. When did you first see

the original record? I guess probably

when I was about 14 I heard it and probably thought,

as a 14-year-old, probably thought, you know, this is a kind

of strange sounding record. And as you get older you realise it

means so much, you know. You've done some marvellous mixes

before, I should say, of the Beatles But when you started to study

this record, was it the So what they did

is that because they could only record four things

at a time, what they did is they recorded mostly live

and then bounced that So we'd actually synch

the tapes together So the quality is much

better, but also did I tell you what the thing

is, nowadays you think about Sergeant Pepper is this album

that was the ultimate studio record of

the time and they are playing live. It's the band performing

in the studio and hole for instance, they went down

to the studios in Soho and they took three takes, but they used take one

and Paul is playing harpsichord and You forget nowadays that

records were so simple, but Sergeant Pepper was the beginning

of this painting sound with colours. Now, we've got a little clip,

I think, of A Day In The Life. You can see, you can see how

the time is a different time. # About a lucky man

who made the grade. # And though the news

was rather sad. # He didn't notice that

the lights had changed. Also, there's so much

more on this record. Employs so many different

things to get in. What do you think it is that is

so enduring about the Beatles' music Well, I think the fact

it was them, they were just four normal

guys from Liverpool and they were in control

of their own destiny, which is I was going through the tapes

on Sergeant Pepper and they'd already recorded the song

Magical Mystery Tour the mix and then that

came out and they went Need Is Love broadcast two weeks

later, just constantly went on. And being as funny as the Marx

Brothers in between all And as funny as the

Marx Brothers, yes. I'm going to go home

and listen to it I can't, I've got

to finish the show. Brilliant mixes,

enhanced and improved. So that celebrates,

and by the way, to celebrate 50 years since the release

of Sergeant Pepper, we can also, you can hear there's various

documentaries and something on the But now we welcome back

the extraordinary and magnificent sound of the human

voice, times seven, in the form of # I'm so sorry, shouldn't

stare but I'm caught up. # Time flies so fast

when you're not watching it. # And if this should be

the last time we meet, # I'm letting you know I've

enjoyed every bit. # Time is chance,

this moment to dance. # I wish I could pose

like a photograph. # Who knows, God knows,

we'll talk and laugh. # And if this should be

the last time we made. # I'm letting you know

I've enjoyed every bit. # I'm so glad I noticed,

I think that you noticed it too. # It's it weren't for this time,

this chance, this moment to dance. # If it weren't for

this time is chance. # This moment to dance, with

# I shouldn't stare, but caught up #.

Naturally 7 from their album, Both Sides Now,

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE What an extraordinary and most

Actually, while you're there, shall we just have one,

is it good to give me one little burst of something now?

The great thing, wherever you went with them, they could just make that

They take their musical instruments with them -

I've got a grand piano, it's much harder, but there we are!

We now welcome back in this corner, alt-J.

# Pool, summer, summer, pool, pool summer

# Hair the way the sun really wants it to be

# Whiskey soda, please, your G is empty

# Chairs, inflatables have sunk to the bottom

# Pool, summer, summer, pool, pool summer

# To the pool's bottom where we belong

# Callie, we're sinking like a bleeding stone

# All above crowd around so very loud

# My pool summer, summer, pool, summer vibes killed

# Lifeless back slaps the surface of the pool

# Pool killer, killer, pool, pool killer

# My pool summer, summer, pool, summer vibes killed

# Envy and jealousy, it's everything I wished upon my enemies.

# See me doing well and now they're telling me they're getting me.

# Now I've got more stones on my watch than a cemetery.

# Girls can remember me, F U and your memory.

# Come we fly to Nike, and trust me everything we're getting free.

# To rap beats and melodies, athletes will never see.

# Chat chatting 'bout us man, they'll never be us man.

# 'Cause all my man are running to the money.

# And all my man are running from them hoes on the roads like.

# Like whoa, a month ago you didn't wanna know.

# But now I'm seeing dough, these catties they be

# All these mandem, they applaud me on the road.

# And all my man, and all my man are bros.

# My mandem have your mandem on the ropes.

# I've got mandem that will slap a man with both.

# Nike jacket on my back, I'm looking cold.

# It's funny how these catties wanna know.

# 'Cause all my man are running to the money.

# And all my man are running from them hoes on the roads like.

# Like whoa, a month ago you didn't wanna know.

# But now I'm seeing dough, these catties they be

# All these mandem, they applaud me on the road.

# Two bottles in my hand, I think it's looking like I'm waved.

# I'm searching for a brown skin girl with a body.

# Or a lightskin chick with a smile, good style and a pretty little face.

# I used to spend a grand a week, stuntin' on some hoes.

# But Prada boy retired, I don't rock designer clothes.

# I put ?40 on my H jeans, and the rest came free.

# I told my mom I'll give her everything I own.

# The hell you mean you haven't heard of us?

# F a guest list, 20 man is how I'm turning up.

# Swear I saw that girl last year, she tried to curve me.

# Her boyfriend's in cunch cause he's broke.

# That's a joke, tell your man to come and work for us.

# Trapping's still alive, my brother I know you've heard of us.

# Said you gonna ride my brother but you ain't burst at us.

# Guys have got 5 times 5 times 5, that will send you to the sky.

# My brother, no you ain't hurting us.

# My lifestyle's exciting, imagine being the reason that

# Both hands swinging nonstop like a Breitling.

# So sorry to my brown ting from Loughton.

# And sorry to my white ting from Brighton.

# 'Cause all my man are running to the money.

# And all my man are running from them hoes on the roads like.

# Like whoa, a month ago you didn't wanna know.

# But now I'm seeing dough, these catties they be

# All these mandem, they applaud me on the road.

# But, all my man are bros. on talking on the low.

# And all my man, and all my man are bros.

# My mandem have your mandem on the ropes.

# I've got mandem that will slap a man with both.

# Nike Jacket on my back, I'm looking cold.

# It's funny how these catties wanna know.

# 'Cause all my man are running to the money.

# And all my man are running from them hoes on the roads like.

# Like whoa, a month ago you didn't wanna know.

# But now I'm seeing dough, these catties they be

# All these mandem, they applaud me on the road #.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you Dave what a talented fell lachlt we are

looking forward to his record coming out. We come back into this corner

and welcome Maggie Rogers. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

# It's okay, it's okay, I'm okay, I'm alright again

# Take me to that place where you always go

# When you're sleeping or your day takes you low so low

# On and off again on and off again, oh

# Take me to that space where I need someone

# When I'm shaking or my mind starts coming undone

# If I'm drenched in madness, tangled blues

# On and off again on and off again, oh

# Take me to that space where I need someone

# When I'm shaking or my mind starts coming undone

# Take me to that place where you always go

# You always #.

Maggie Rogers, wonderful sound of On + Off.

So now we finish where we started, and I'm so pleased because this

new record, A Kind Revolution, we've been enjoying it so much, we're

# There will be some hope in the world

Brilliant, Paul Weller, with The Cranes Are Back.

You can go to our website and see more about the artists

We will be back on Tuesday at 10pm with Sheryl Crow.

Lots lots more, but we now finish with a little bit

Have you got something about your person, sir?

So much easier with two drummers than one.

So we thank all the people that have joined us this evening.