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Manchester - shocked to the core by a bomb attack | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
which killed indiscriminately and senselessly. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Yet the city has emerged defiant and united. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
For this week's Songs Of Praise, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
I'm in this great northern city to reflect on events | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
as the people who live here and all of us come to terms | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
with what's happened. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
We talk to the paramedics who were first on the scene. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
I've been to lots of traumatic incidents, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
but nothing on the scale of this. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
It wasn't until I got home and just sat down and... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
and I just burst into tears. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
One of the victims' friends pays tribute to him. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
He saw the good in everyone and he will never be... never be forgotten. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
And faith leaders unite against the terrorists. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
They shouldn't say God is on their side. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
They should be on God's side. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
And on God's side is love, mercy, justice. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
Choose love, Manchester. Thank you. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
When we hear shocking news on a national scale, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
all of us struggle with what to say or do. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
And it's at times like these that many of us turn to the church | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
for reassurance and comfort. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
And the familiar words of our first hymn, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
recorded here at Manchester Cathedral, reflect just that. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
The shock and the trauma that hit Manchester and us all | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
has been raw and visceral. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
I just want to be here today to just say for the families, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
we are praying for you. We will continue to pray. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
I became very emotional. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
Even in my heart I feel this shivering | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
because it's what's happened to the innocent people. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
They are children. I'm a mother. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
I'm a grandmother as well. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And what's happened to these innocent people, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
it's happened to me. I can feel it. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
But amidst the grief and the pain, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
there's been something else - defiance. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
There's hard times again, in these streets of our city | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
But we won't take defeat and we don't want your pity | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Because this is the place where we stand strong together | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
With a smile on our face, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Mancunians forever. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:09 | |
We made a babygro for today saying that hate won't tear us apart. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Even though there are some bad people in the world, there's, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
you know... 99% of us are really good people and that's what matters. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
I had to be here. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Because it was such a gathering of people of not necessarily | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
only my Christian faith but of all faiths. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Faith is all these people around, isn't it? Faith is there. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
It's in your heart. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
God is all around us. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
As the days have passed and in the midst of fear, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
suffering and grief, Mancunians have pulled together. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
People have shared their homes, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
offered lifts and even queued up to give blood following the attack. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
There's a real sense of a community coming together. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Please, any drinks, anything. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
It's all free. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Please help yourself. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
I was in Manchester in my taxi. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
People didn't have any money. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
People didn't have any form of transport to get to the hospitals. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
So I picked the first one up. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Said "I've got no money." I said, "Doesn't matter." | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
And that's what I was doing all night. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
Manchester Cathedral, a short distance from the site | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
of the bomb blast, was closed for two days. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
So the city's clergy went out onto the streets instead. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
I have a book of condolence here | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
that we put out on the street for | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
people to sign at our midday prayers | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
and there's a very lovely message here. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
"Pray that we all might be active peacemakers | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
"to overcome all that disrupts and destroys community." | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
On Thursday morning, the Cathedral reopened its doors. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Once again, it's become a sanctuary | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
of prayer and reflection for everyone. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
I met two of the city's faith leaders inside the cathedral. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
I think although there's a lot of grief, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
a lot of distress, a lot of anger, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
that's being channelled | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
in very positive ways, and people are hugging each other, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
they're holding hands, they're lighting candles. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
They're coming out into the city and affirming that this is our city | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
and no terrorist is going to take it away from us. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
There is absolutely nothing in our traditions, at all, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
categorically, that can justify, allow | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
or even encourage, you know, the actions of these people. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
We are peace-loving people, we are men of God together in unison | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
and we're not going to be deterred by this, this menace. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Both of you, now - | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
do you know a message for the Christian community here? | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Do you have a message for the Muslim community here? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
I think my message for my Christian brothers and sisters | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
is a message of peace and hope and prayer. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Standing here in this great cathedral, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
we can never allow extremists, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
wherever they're from, wherever they come from, to allow this beautiful | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
tradition of ours of love and harmony to be thwarted and divided. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
My message to the Muslim community | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
would be simply that you are Manchester | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
just as we are Manchester. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
You are as much a part of Manchester this week | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
as you were last week. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
You're as much a part of the solution to the problems | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
of our present generation as you were last week | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
and nothing will come between us and prevent us working together | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
to be the way forward for Manchester and beyond | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
and I do believe that together, we can in Manchester set a beacon, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
a standard that others can follow. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
It's been a real pleasure spending time with both of you. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-Thank you so much. -Thank you. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
-Thank you very much. -God bless you. -Thank you. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
BIG BEN CHIMES 11 | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
On Thursday, the nation came to a standstill | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
for a minute's silence to remember the victims of the attack. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
-# So Sally can wait... # -Come on, sing up! | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
# She knows it's too late... # | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Then, in Manchester, the local crowd broke into a famous song | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
synonymous with the city, Don't Look Back In Anger by the band Oasis. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:48 | |
# "Don't look back in anger", I heard you say. # | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
The people who have been hit hardest by the tragedy are the family | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
and friends of the injured and of those who died. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
One of the victims was 29-year-old Martyn Hett | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
and one of his many friends talked to me about him. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
How will you remember your friend Martyn? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
The laugh and the smile. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
He lived life every day so nothing ever got him down. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
From what I can understand, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
he went to the bar where he'd met some girls that night, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
some friends that he had literally made that night | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
and was talking to them. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
Knowing that that was where he was, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
what he was doing at that time was so Martyn that not only did he... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
was at a place where he loved, he... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
died doing the thing he loved, which was making people smile and happy. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
There's a gap there now. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
Someone who was so happy... that's missing. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
His partner tweeted saying that he left life as he lived it, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
the centre of attention. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
-Yeah. -It's a good quote. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
There's no better quote than that for Martin, I think, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and I think it's been capped by Mariah Carey, his lifelong hero, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
has posted on Instagram | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
about learning about the death of Martyn today. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
I think Mariah Carey actually wrote | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
that she'll cherish his memory. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Yeah! All he ever wanted was to meet her, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
to talk to her and have a conversation | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
but he might not have ever got that far | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
but today, wherever he is, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
he'll know that she Instagrammed about him and that took off | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
and he will love that. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
Do you think Martyn's in a better place? Where do you think he is now? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
I'd like to think he was looking down on us | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
and can still have an impact. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
There's so much of him | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
around, even on the internet, that he'll never be gone. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
Do you think he'll have a legacy? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
His legacy will be one of... | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
of happiness and he saw the good in everyone. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
He will never be... never be forgotten, Martyn. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
He was loved too much to be forgotten. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
# When peace like a river | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
# Attendeth my way | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
# When sorrow like sea billows roll | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
# Whatever my lot | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
# Thou hast taught me to say | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
# It is well, it is well | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
# With my soul | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
# It is well | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
# With my soul | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
# It is well, it is well | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
# With my soul | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
# Though Satan should buffet | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
# Though trials should come my way | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
# Let this blest assurance control | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
# That Christ has regarded | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
# My helpless estate | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
# And hath shed His own blood | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
# For my soul | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
# It is well | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
# With my soul | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
# It is well, it is well | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
# With my soul | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
# And Lord, haste the day | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
# When the faith shall be sight | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
# The clouds be rolled back as a scroll | 0:16:15 | 0:16:21 | |
# The trumpets shall sound | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
# And the Lord shall descend | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
# Even so, it is well | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
# With my soul | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
# It is well | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
# With my soul | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
# It is well | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
# It is well | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
# With my soul | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
# It is well. # | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
During the week, Her Majesty the Queen visited | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
those who were injured in the Manchester attack. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
And you HAD enjoyed the concert, presumably? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-Yeah, it was really good. -Was it? -Yeah. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
She was full of praise for the emergency services. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Amongst the first to arrive on the scene of the attack | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
were paramedics from the North West Ambulance Service. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
That night I was on a rapid response vehicle, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
just dealing with normal emergency calls, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
and then a call came through - I'd been diverted off a chest pain, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
a young male chest pain. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
It came in on the screen, looked at the screen and it said, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
"Bomb explosion at MEN." | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
So right away my heart sank, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
because I knew it was going to be possibly genuine, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
with mass casualties. Walking up to the scene, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I just looked to the side | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
and there were just people lined up along the wall, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
just like, hundreds of people, and, erm... | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
and I could see the shock on their faces. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
And I looked and I thought | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
they were probably looking at us, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
like, six people walking in, thinking, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
"What the hell are THEY going to do in there? | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
"There's so many casualties, there's so many people - | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
"how are they going to deal with them?" | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Which is what my initial thoughts were as well. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
Because of the magnitude of the whole situation | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
and the amount of casualties, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
it was just like, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
patient after patient after patient - | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
we were just doing the best we could for them, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
to treat them and then | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
obviously get them to hospital as quickly as possible. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
When you look back, there's certain children who I treated | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
who will stay in my mind, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
and hopefully they're recovering well now. As well as adults - | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
there's adults who I was talking to for a while | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
while waiting for ambulances and resources to come and help, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
like, me and Ian treated a lady, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
one of the first ones we treated together, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
and extremely poorly but | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
hopefully she's making a good recovery now. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
But I don't think these images will ever leave us. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
Afterwards, when everything had gone a lot calmer, yes, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
mobile phones, it was apparent - I could see them, I could hear them | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
going off. Which was | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
something quite difficult to take in. Erm... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
Cos it's people, loved ones, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
checking that their friends and family are safe. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
And being in that situation, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
it's harrowing, having to be surrounded by that. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
Whilst you're actually working and dealing with casualties, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
you kind of just crack on with it, you just deal with them | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
and you don't think of anything else, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
you just do what you're trained to do. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
But driving back home after that night, I was thinking to myself, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
"What the hell have we just witnessed, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
"what have we just dealt with?" | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
The way I've dealt with it is... | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
I don't think I have, if I'm being totally honest. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
To have adults losing lives, it's tragic - | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
to have children losing their lives, it's something which I don't think, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
-you know... -It's another level, isn't it? -..you can comprehend that | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
till you've actually dealt with situations like that. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
The patients themselves were very, very brave, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
and helping each other. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
I've been to lots of | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
traumatic incidents, but nothing on the scale of this. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
It wasn't until I got home and just sat down and... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
You're aware of the impact | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
on the city, on your friends, on the families... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
And I just burst into tears. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
I think you draw strength from a combination of places, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
certainly... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Working as part of a team, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
and a very close-knit team we are, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
really gives you strength to carry on, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
to support each other and talk things through. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Knowing that you have family at home and friends to talk to | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
and support you as well | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
is important. And it's something to be very thankful for. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
I think faith does come into it as well - | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
whether you are religious or not, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
saying a quick prayer to whoever's listening, erm... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
..can give you some form of rest, I think. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
The people that were there at the scene initially | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
to respond to the incident | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
were chosen for a reason to go in there | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
and to deal with the casualties. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Erm, and... | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
..I'm glad we did get to go in | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
and to help these people. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
And I hope we did make a difference at the end of the day. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Earlier this week, Dr John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
was here in Manchester to join the city's vigil. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
He's been reflecting on what happened, with Pam Rhodes. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
What can you possibly say to people whose lives, whose bodies, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
whose peace of mind have been shattered by this event? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
I think I want to weep, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
and tell them it's all right to weep. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
And it's all right for them to lament, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
it's all right for them to find comfort in others, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
people can hold them - | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
because sometimes holding people very close at hand | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
is a very, very great, powerful way of helping. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
And I don't think I want glib words. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Because the trauma is so strong, the loss is so great. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
So is it then up to people of faith - indeed of ALL faiths - | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
to work together to fight back, to prevent things like this happening? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
This was quite evident at that vigil. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I was sitting next to the Imam of Manchester, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
who is determined that they're going to use | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
their mosques to be places of saying | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
love is stronger than hate. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
Life is stronger than death. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
So the message has gone out, and I'm sure, by working together, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
we're going to find a common ground of really tackling this terrible, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
terrible evil. These heinous crimes, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
people thinking they're doing it in the name of God. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
I'm sorry - they shouldn't say God is on their side, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
they should be on GOD'S side. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
And on God's side is love, mercy, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
justice, and newness of life. And they're taking away life. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
You were at that vigil, it was obviously very moving. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
How do you reflect on it? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
I think when one woman in the crowd, before the vigil started, said, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
"We thank God for the security services, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
"all the professions and everybody," and everybody cheered - | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
and when you looked around, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
the majority were young people. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
They came there not to be intimidated, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
not to be frightened, | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
and my message, all of them, was "Do not be afraid." | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
So the enduring memory - | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
here was a group of people saying, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
"We will not be frightened, we will not hate each other." | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
That message of choosing love over hate | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
-isn't just for Manchester, it's for the whole world, surely. -Yes. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
But human nature being what it is, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
can we really hope that that will ever be ours? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
Erm... If you don't mind, I'm a person of visual aids, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
I'm going to show you one. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
You see, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
on Good Friday, everything was very, very tragic. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
It was like a piece of embroidery. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
It all looks tangled. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
That Good Friday, when Jesus hung on the cross, everything wasn't clear. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
But, you know, God was writing | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
an amazing story. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
"God is love." | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
So in the midst of chaos | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and confusion and death, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
and brutality - | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
out of it, good is going to come. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
It seems that atrocities like this can bring out the best in us, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
so we need to make sure | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
that positive things | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
can come out of the choices we make now. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Absolutely positive. Because we're so fearfully and wonderfully made. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
All of us have gifts, all of us have | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
a wonderful way | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
of relating to one another. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
This is a time | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
when creed, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
belief or no belief, culture, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
tradition, need to be buried. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
That what emerges are people | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
who really are at ease with each other. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
One of the themes that's resonated through this week is | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
don't choose hate - choose love, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
something that's echoed in our last piece of music. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
From the great city of Manchester, goodbye. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 |