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Fiscal union or bust - Germany and France edged towards a far-reaching

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political deal to save the euro. Chancellor Merkel and President

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Sarkozy talk of a new European treaty to impose strict control

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over national budgets. TRANSLATION: We need fiscal unity with strong

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powers of intervention, at least Welcome to GMT. Also in the

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programme, standing together for Burmese democracy. Aung San Suu Kyi

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says she is cautious but hopeful after talks with Hillary Clinton.

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Preparing for the final exit - the Americans hand over Camp Victory,

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their biggest military base inside Iraq.

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It is 12:30pm in London. Chancellor Angela Merkel today told the German

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parliament that only strict new rules enforcing fiscal discipline

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could rebuild trust in the euro- zone. There is no quick fix, she

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said, it is a process that will take years. Mrs Merkel and

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President Sarkozy of France are attempting to come up with a joint

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plan for significant changes to the EU treaty which governs the euro-

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zone. But will talk of fiscal union be enough to calm the fears of a

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break-up of the common currency? From Europe's biggest economic

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power, the latest message that it really is time to think big on the

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euro crisis, as another crisis summit looms. The key political

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figure in all this is the return must start work on tighter fiscal

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union, but also warned that the crisis will be a long haul.

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TRANSLATION: There are no easy solutions. Especially not as some

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people insist on staying ahead of every summit, the apparent one last

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push. That is neither my kind of language, nor my way of thinking.

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The resolution of the euro crisis is a process, and this process will

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take years. In France, President Sarkozy delivered his own, sombre

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judgment that Europe is not measured up in this crisis. He said

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the French and Germans had agreed on the need for a revised treaty to

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tackle the failures and weaknesses of the euro. TRANSLATION: France is

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fighting for a new treaty, more disciplined, more solidarity, a

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true economic government. Britain's David Cameron, in Paris to meet his

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old ally from the Libby conflict. The two men are not as close on the

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euro crisis. Mr Cameron will be anxious to hear what is on the

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table in terms of possible treaty changes, and how much instep France

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and Germany really are now. His calls for action may have irritated

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his French host on occasion, at the same time, he is worried Britain

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could become more marginalised. The longer the euro storm goes on, the

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more both the French and British economies could be blown off course,

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as could President Sarkozy's re- election hopes. On Monday, the big

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two will have their latest get together to thrash out their joint

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ideas. Mrs Merkel may have talked in terms of years to sort out the

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euro, but the focus now is on the crisis calendar that will lead to

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Brussels again at the end of next week, and the latest crunch EU

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summit. So, France and Germany doing their

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best to calm the storm around the euro, is it working? Let's go to

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Brussels. What you're hearing from Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy,

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is it convincing view that there is a credible plan to restore faith in

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the EU wrote? I think what I hear it is good news, but it is not

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convincing yet. To be convincing, we need detail on how they want to

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do it, whether they really agree to give up national sovereignty and

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put it to a European level. That is something we have to hear next week.

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Giving up so run deep -- sovereignty is the key. Do you

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think the Germans want Sarkozy to give up more? I think the Germans

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are now determined to give up more, they want to push this thing ahead,

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push towards fiscal union, a stability Union, as they like to

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call it. This will include more giving up of sovereignty by the

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French. Would it go so far as some have suggested, as to see the

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creation of a year -- euro-zone finance ministry, essentially

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running national economies across the euro-zone, from Brussels or

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Frankfurt? I think this is possibly the ultimate scenario. I don't

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think we was in national parliaments being closed down as of

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next year, but we do need a central organisation, a European

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organisation, which really has a say. This will prevent the horse

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trading we have had over the last 10 years in the country breaches

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the rules. The problem Mrs Merkel pointed to today, is it is going to

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take years to sort out such a fundamental shift inside the

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European Union. For you as a banker, is it important that the other

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discussion about immediate short- term action still continues,

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considering the role of the European Central Bank, and the

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possibility of Euro bonds? Obviously, the fiscal integration

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is one part of the resolution of the problem. The other one, the

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short-term fix, will be giving the European Central Bank a bigger role.

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Politicians cannot give the EC be a bigger role, the ECB will have to

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take this role and decide it on its own. If politicians decide on more

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fiscal union next week, I think the ECB will be willing to do more, and

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then we will have a good combination between a short-term

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fix and a long-term solution. markets look sanguine today, they

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are pretty much around the world. But that could change pretty

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quickly. Is this coming summit of EU leaders in a few days, is that

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make-or-break? It is not make-or- break, but it is very important. We

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have had so many make-or-break summit over the last month, I don't

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think that on 10th December, everything will be over the Sun

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will be shining. But it will be very important on the red was a

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better euro-zone. Thank you for joining us.

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The Burmese pro-democracy leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, says she is

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confident there will be no turning back on the road to democracy in

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Burma. But she warned that the country had a long way to travel.

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She was speaking after talks at her home with the US secretary of state,

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Hillary Clinton. It was the second meeting between the two women

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during Mrs Clinton's historic visit to Burma. Mrs Clinton also met the

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Burmese president, Thein Sein, on Thursday.

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Our correspondent has been travelling with Mrs Clinton. This

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is her assessment of the trip. Never before has this house

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welcomed such a high-profile foreign visitors. The American

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secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, arrived in the morning in her black

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limousine, for a second meeting with Burma's noble react. Aung San

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Suu Kyi's home is where she was held in detention for almost two

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decades, but the fact that she can welcome Hillary Clinton here is a

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sign that perhaps things are changing in Burma. As the US tests

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the waters and tries to re-engage with this isolated country, Aung

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San Suu Kyi's influence over this process cannot be overestimated. A

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few weeks ago, President Obama called Aung San Suu Kyi, they spoke

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for over 45 minutes. She told him she bullied the country's president,

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Thein Sein, was serious about reform -- she believed. Only then

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did President Obama announced he was sending his top diplomat to the

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country. Aung San Suu Kyi and her political party are now re-entering

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the political process. She herself said she would stand for Parliament

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in the upcoming by-elections. These have been extraordinary days for

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Burma, but these are also early days. In the coming months,

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Washington, Aung San Suu Kyi, and the Burmese people will be watching

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closely to see if this country's leadership does indeed deliver on

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its promise for change. The government of Taiwan says it is

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planning to issue a passport to the exiled former prime minister,

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Thaksin Shinawatra. Mr Thaksin lives in Dubai after being

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convicted of corruption and stripped of his Thai passport under

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the last government. The current government, led by his sister, says

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the past but will be issued as a new year's gift. Herman Cain, one

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of the Republican presidential candidate in the US, has admitted

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giving money to a woman who said they had a 13 year affair. He said

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he repeatedly helped the woman, Ginger White, with build and

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expenses, but denies having sex with her.

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The UN Human Rights Council is holding an emergency session on

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Syria to discuss evidence that President Assad's security forces

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have committed crimes against humanity. The meeting in Geneva

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comes in the wake of a UN report accusing Syrian forces of operating

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a shoot-to-kill policy against unarmed protesters.

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The US military has handed over control of its former headquarters

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in Iraq to the Baghdad authorities as part of the plan to pull out all

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American soldiers by the end of the year. Camp Victory were set up on

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the outskirts of the capital in a former country club built by Saddam

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Hussein. At its peak, it was home to nearly 50,000 US service

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personnel. Let's cross live to Baghdad now. It

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is a highly symbolic moment, isn't it? Very symbolic, very iconic, as

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you sit in your introduction. This used to be a huge complex, it was

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more of a city than a complex. This is where US officials, generals,

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used to draw strategies for Iraq, oversee the execution of these

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strategies, and now it is under full control of the Iraqi

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authorities. What are the Iraqis going to do with it? I just spoke

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to be defence spokesperson, and he said that this place is listed

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under the properties of the government of Iraq now, they have

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no plans to use it for military purposes, but some parts of it

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might be turned to museums, or maybe they might make use of the

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parks inside the complex. Iraqis have made it plain they do

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not want to see any residual US forces left behind in Iraq, so how

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close are we now to the last set of American Boots' leading Iraqi soil?

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Theoretically, the last soldier must leave Iraq by the end of this

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month, the end of this year. But it seems that the pace of this

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withdrawal is getting quicker, and it might be even before the end of

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this year. Thank you are joining us. While many countries are suffering

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from an economic downturn, some are still enjoying rapid growth. Among

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them, Argentina, where the economy grew by more than 9% last year. An

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extraordinary number, when you remember that a decade ago, the

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Argentine peso collapsed, there were riots in the street, and the

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country defaulted on its foreign debt. Even now, many people feel

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the effects of that crisis. Argentina is growing at full force.

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The country is enjoying one of the biggest booms in its history, and

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is one of the fastest-growing economies on the planet. On BT

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streets like this one hearing Buenos Aires, you can sense a

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vibrant country. One that has left behind the shadows of a dark past.

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A decade ago, Argentina had one of the worst economic knockdowns in

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history. On 3rd December 2001, the Argentine government restricted the

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amount of money people can withdraw from banks, prompting widespread

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unrest and the downfall of the government. In one week, the

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country had five presidents, and defaulted on its external debt

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repayments. Many Argentines suffered huge losses. Before the

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crisis, this woman had savings to buy an apartment, but months later,

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after the crisis, the money had lost so much value that it was only

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enough for a par. It was very sad, because it was our hope to have a

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new house, a new quality of life for our family, our children. And

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in just one day, because of political decisions, we had lost

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that opportunity. Argentina's economy had been growing steadily

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for eight years, boosted by the exports of soy beans. But the

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recovery was also built at a number of steps taken by the authorities.

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What was done was to establish some pillars, one of the pillars was to

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reduce, as much as possible, the fiscal imbalance and converted into

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a surplus if possible. The second pillar was established, also a

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competitive exchange rate. But the consequences of the crust is still

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affect Argentinians today. -- of the crisis. A for our society, it

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was something completely new, so I never put my savings in the bank

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Argentina seems to have recovered her groove and this could prove

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hopeful for the troubled European countries today.

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Still to come: The aye rate calls keep coming. Jeremy Clarkson's

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comments about striking British workers prompt thousands of

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complaints to the BBC. Right now, it's time for the

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business news. We've been talking about the eurozone today, but of

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course, very important jobs figures out of the US today.

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Yes, we're expecting 125,000 new jobs to have been added to the jobs

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labour market in November. These are hugely important figures.

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Everyone watches what's going on in the US with keen interest. We have

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had some positive economic data out of the US in recent weeks. We've

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had strong consumer confidence figures and improved manufacturing

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picture, but it's worth remembering that the eurozone crisis has been a

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problem for the US economy. The markets there are very worried.

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Let's list ton what this analyst had to say. It's been known for a

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flexible labour market that bounces back quickly after recession, we're

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actually seeing the opposite in this recession al recovery. The

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labour market is improving, but it's improving extremely slowly and

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it's patchy. It's worth remembering this is really important, the US

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economy is a huge issue for re- election for President Obama as

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well. Now, I am going to drag you back to Europe, because leaving

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aside what Sarkozy's up to with Cameron and Angela Merkel,

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manufacturers are worried about the state of the eurozone, particularly

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the car makers. They're meeting, they've been meeting in Brussels

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today. All the car makers are coming together in a big group. We

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have Ford Europe, the boss of Fiat, they are together to complain about

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eurozone leaders about how they're handling the crisis. Their argument

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is that they're eroding consumer confidence by not solving the

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crisis. When that's eroded what do people do? They buy less, in

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particular they spend less on cars. They're worried the prospects for

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the car industry look bleak. Let's see what this analyst had to say.

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We are looking at a situation where we have to slash production. It

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will have negative effect on employment. Also on growth,

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innovation and on the industry as a whole. We are unfortunately afraid

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that we are moving back where we were in 2008/09. The boss of Fiat

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has come out and said that 2012 could be a year of stagnation for

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the car industry and he also said he warned that if things don't

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change soon, he could take Fiat out change soon, he could take Fiat out

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of Italy because he wants to save money. Now the markets: the markets

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are up, why? Because of the important news information out of

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the US. Also the European Central Bank is talking about lending money,

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so markets are more positive. Plenty of green despite the crisis.

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We want to hear what you think. Get in touch with us. Go to our website,

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bbc.co.uk/GMT. More on the European bbc.co.uk/GMT. More on the European

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debt crisis, and plenty more as well.

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This is GMT from BBC World News. I'm Stephen Sackur. The headlines:

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Germany's Chancellor, Angela Merkel, calls for greater fiscal unity in

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the eurozone, but warns finding a solution to the crisis could take

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years. Burma's pro-democracy leader, Aung

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San Suu Kyi, says she's confident of reforms in her country, after

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talks with Hillary Clinton. A rebel Libyan soldier, shot during

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the battle for Tripoli, has been talking about his treatment here in

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the UK. He had his lower right leg amputated after doctors in London

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decided that it could not be saved. He's one of 50 Libyans who the

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British Government said they would treat at the request and cost of

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This man didn't come to Britain expecting to luz a foot, but he's

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now coming to terms with his new pros theet is. He was shot three

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times the day Tripoli fell to anti- Gaddafi forces. He fought alongside

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friends and strangers, armed with a hunting rifle. One bullet exploded

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in his lower right leg, shattering his bones.

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TRANSLATION: I was shot in the battle with the Gaddafi brigades.

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In the first five minutes, I felt nothing. After that, I fell down.

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His surgeon says amputation was the best option. He'd had a severe

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injury to the bones of the leg. But he'd also, because of the blast

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injury, had lost a lot of soft tissues, down to and including the

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ankle joint, so that was open. It was clear he had deep infection.

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You could see the state of the wound and smell the bacteria.

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had his lower right leg removed the very day Colonel Gaddafi was

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captured and killed. His physiotherapist says he's making

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good progress. I think since the surgery and since having the limb

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fitted, he can probably see now that he's making progress and that

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he's actually going to return to a fully independent life and be able

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to do all the things he was doing before. I think generally, he's --

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his mood is improving and he's working really well in the gym and

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he's making great progress. patient himself remains

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philosophical. TRANSLATION: When I left home and I

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went to fight, I was expecting even to die, so although -- all the

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options were there. This is fate or destiny from God. I believe in that.

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I accepted this. The international criminal courts

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chief prosecuter has requested ab arrest warrant for Sudan's Defence

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Minister. He's wanted for alleged crimes against humanity and war

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crimes committed in Darfur in 2003 and 2004. The ICC already has

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issued an arrest warrant for Sudan's President over allegations

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of genocide. Now, the BBC has received over

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21,500 complaints over TV presenter, Jeremy Clarkson. Can you see him

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behind me, fine figure of a fell ya. His off-hand comments about

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striking workers in Britain. The Top Gear presenter has apologised

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for any offence caused and said his comments were never meant to be

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taken seriously. Here's what he said. Frankly, I'd have them all

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shot. I would take them outside and execute them in front of their

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families. I mean, how dare they go on strike, when they've got these

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gilt edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed, while the rest of

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us have to work for a living. incident doesn't appear to have

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been laid to rest with that sort of apology and words issued by Jeremy

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Clarkson afterwards, calls continue to come into the BBC. Let's hear

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from James Delingpole, a columnist for the Spectator magazine. This is

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dividing Britain right now. Where do you line up on the debate, for

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or against his right to say what he said? I'm for free speech and I'm

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for Jeremy Clarkson. Let's examine what happened here. Jeremy Clarkson

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was invited on the BBC to be Jeremy Clarkson. Jeremy Clarkson behaved

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like Jeremy Clarkson. I think your viewers all around the world will

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have seen shows like Top Gear. They know what he's like. He said some

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Clarkson-ish things. Apparently this had been agreed beforehand

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with the show's producers - Hang on, I'm going to stop you right now.

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What is this idea that Jeremy Clarkson has every right to be as

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offensive as possible. Are you saying there's nothing he could say

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that would be unacceptable? I think we need to learn to be grown ups

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and be treated like grown ups. I think context is all. If you looked

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at Jeremy Clarkson's words in bold print, you might think, "That's a

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bit dodgy." When you hear him delivering them in his Jock lar

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style and you heard the laughter in the studio audience there. They

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knew he was Clarkson being Clarkson. That perfectly acceptable. What

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about the argument that the biggest crime of all that he was

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staggeringly unfunny. Humour is a matter of taste. What you're saying,

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he should be shot for that? It's interesting you come back to the

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phrase "shot for that". Is talking about executions and people being

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shot in public, is that in any way, ever funny? I think it would depend

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probably on what kind of regime you lived under. There are parts of the

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world where people are shot and that would be very worrying. It

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doesn't generally happen in Britain. We have a culture of tolerance. And

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tolerance, which extends or traditionally has done to freedom

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of speech. We treat our perfect like -- people like gron ups. They

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can use context to decide whether somebody is fomenting hate. There's

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no question, he was being jocular. What does it say about Britain,

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many around the world will know Jeremy Clarkson as one of the

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leading figures of entertainment in Britain. Many see him as a boarish

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figure. What does it say about Britain that he is so popular.

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also see him as rather refreshing and outspoken in a culture

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dominated by political correctness, which unfortunately the tone is set

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for that by the BBC itself. So you do see, what you're saying and

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perhaps what he says as a fight against PC behaviour, do you?

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Absolutely. I think that Jeremy Clarkson, behind the jocularity of

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his remarks, was making a serious point about the public sector.

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Those public sector strikes he was talking about, were a massive flop.

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They were a flop tore two reasons: First of all, they weren't nearly

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as widespread that the militants of the left had hoped they'd be. And

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they focused a lot of people's anger, people in the private sector,

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who have been really suffering during this recession, are aghast

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to see how the public sector is being feather bedded by ring-fenced

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pensions... James, you've expressed a series of views that are, it's

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fair to say, right-wing views in this country. Is that the way it

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lines up, if you're pro-Clarkson you tend to be right-wing and

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conservative? It doesn't have to be about left or right. There are lots

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of people working in shops, on factory floors in the private

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sector who feel, who may be traditional Labour voters. They

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probably feel just as strongly about this as people like me do. It

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is not just that the public sector is better paid and has better

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pensions than the private sector. They are not taking their share of

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the misery, which we are all suffering in the recession.

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suspect many people will have views on what you just said, thank you

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for joining us. Before we go, let's remind you of the main story:

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Chancellor, Angela Merkel, today told the German Parliament that

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