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Tension in in Tahrir Square, another mass protest in Cairo as | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
Egypt's military rulers appoint a new Prime Minister. This, the scene | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
live in the centre of Cairo. The military insist next week's | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
election will go ahead but protesters are calling on the | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
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Welcome to GMT, I am Stephen Sackur. Also in the programme: Syria in a | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
stand-off with the Arab League. Observers are not allowed in to | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
monitor the violence so are sanctions on the way? | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
And voting in the world's most war- torn country. People prepared to go | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
to the polls in the Democratic Republic of Congo. | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
It is 12:30pm here in London, 7:30am in Washington DC and 2:30pm | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
in Cairo where tens of thousands of protesters have again gathered in | :01:15. | :01:22. | |
Tahrir Square to demand the removal of the ruling Ministry -- Military | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
Council. Reports that a new Prime Minister, Hussein Tantawi, have not | :01:28. | :01:36. | |
diffused tensions in the capital -- Kamal Ganzouri. Protesters are | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
calling for parliamentary elections to be postponed. Lyse Doucet joins | :01:39. | :01:46. | |
me live from Tahrir Square. You can see behind me Tahrir Square is | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
teeming with people today. At Friday prayers held in this huge | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
space, you saw men and women in different areas kneeling in pram | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
and then chanting in unison: God is great. The chance coming from the | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
square are the same we have heard all week, leave, leave. Never mind | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
that the military have promised they will not hold on to power, | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
they have pledged elections beginning on Monday but the people | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
who gathered here are still not convinced. They are still calling | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
on field map -- field Marcio Hussein Tantawi to stand down. | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
These are not the only voices being raised in Cairo today. If there is | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
a rival demonstration close to the Defence Ministry which is | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
criticising Tahrir Square and expressing support for Field | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
Marshal Hussein Tantawi. Today is a day which underlines that Egypt is | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
in crisis and it is a divided nation. But what about the politics | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
going forward? We can join now in one of our Cairo studios, a veteran | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
Egyptian politician who is hoping to run for the elections. What is | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
your view about the continuing protest in Tahrir Square? Should | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
but the protests continue? This is a protest which has been done by | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
people who feel they have been disappointed by the revolution, | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
that it has been jeopardised by the political class, by the military on | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
the one hand and they are just fed up from military rule, from his | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
handling of the past 10 months. I do not think they will give in very | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
easily, unless the military council meets part of the demands, not | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
necessarily all of the demands but at least part of their demands. | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
Which is to delegate domestic decision making entirely to a | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
civilian government so they have the prerogatives to not be as the | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
former cabinet was, the secretary at and Military Council. The | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
military council has lost a lot of its popularity in these past days. | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
But many Egyptians here, I would say most Egyptians still feel that | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
this is the only institution that is left that we trust. Will make a | :04:15. | :04:22. | |
difference between the army and the staff and the army, we have to not | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
protect, because it is their job to protect us, but we have to stand by | :04:27. | :04:36. | |
the army and I am one of them. main politics sees -- seems to be | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
on the streets and in the squares, are you confident the elections can | :04:40. | :04:47. | |
take place safely and surely? the concerns about the elections on | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
Monday are raising by the day, by the hour. Many of us have suggested | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
they should be postponed. Not cancelled, but postponed. Postponed | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
for a week or two. How can you run elections in Tahrir Square when it | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
is burning? How can you run elections in the mainstay of the | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
area? It is ridiculous. People are scared. People are fearful to go | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
out of their houses. We have been encouraging people to participate | :05:19. | :05:29. | |
because we knew the Liberals had a big chance, particularly that which | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
ran a part off. Nobody said we should take it for granted that the | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
Islamist so should come to power. They are the best organised but | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
they also have a lot of tensions among them. The latest statements | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
have triggered the buyer of a lot of sections of society, among them | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
the women, the cops and the Liberals. And among them, the | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
moderate Muslims who do not want to be told when to pray or how their | :05:57. | :06:06. | |
women should be addressed. -- how the women should be dressed. Thank | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
you for joining us from central Cairo as we continue our coverage | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
of this unrest here in Egypt. Many are saddened that as Egypt heads | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
towards what are supposed to be the freest and fairest elections in | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
Egypt's Modern History are now being overshadowed. They are | :06:23. | :06:31. | |
overshadowed by the injuries and deaths we saw across Egypt. Also | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
overshadowed by the growing gap in trust between the protesters and | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
the military. But the military said the elections can and will go ahead. | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
The big question now is, is Egypt heading for a greater unrest or | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
will it move confidently into a new Egypt? We will keep an eye on | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
developments here. Lyse Doucet, thank you very much indeed. We will | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
stay with turmoil in the Middle East because the Arab League and | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
Syria are now locked in a trial of strength. The League demanded that | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
Syria accept 500 observers in to monitor the violence in the country, | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
or face sanctions and further isolation. In the last hour, the | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
deadline passed apparently without a Syrian response. To add to the | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
pressure, a report from the United Nations human rights panel which | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
says there is evidence that security forces are torturing | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
children. Frank Gardner reports. When an army starts using anti- | :07:33. | :07:43. | |
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aircraft guns on its own people, Undeterred by tanks, torture and | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
over 3,000 deaths, a Syrian protesters are still taking to the | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
streets, risking their lives to call for an end to the rule of | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
President Bashar al-Assad. Often pictured on state TV surrounded by | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
acolytes, he is facing the most serious challenge to his role. Many | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
feel he is hanging on because the population fears the chaos that | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
will follow his departure. So long as the regime can maintain some | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
kind of viability financially to keep paying those who need to fight | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
for the regime and defend it, there will be many Syrians who have too | :08:29. | :08:37. | |
much to lose to want to join the opposition. Deserters like these | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
from the Syrian army are starting to appear but not in big numbers. | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
There have been attacks on military installations, prompting fears of a | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
civil war, a nightmare for the Arab League. Its members have already | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
suspended Syria. Its chair stands empty. They have been meeting to | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
discuss whether to introduce harsh new sanctions are this area pulls | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
its troops out of cities and allows in monitors. Syria's neighbour, | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
Turkey, says time is running out. Already there is talk of a | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
humanitarian crisis with Syrian refugees fleeing across the border | :09:14. | :09:21. | |
into Turkey. France is looking to establish humanitarian corridors to | :09:21. | :09:28. | |
protect Syrians -- civilians. Meanwhile, the protests continued. | :09:28. | :09:34. | |
The sniping, the arrests, the intimidation, the torture and | :09:34. | :09:42. | |
bloodshed show no sign of stopping. Later in the programme we will be | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
speaking to the BBC's Paul Wood who spent a week inside Syria and has | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
come back from -- with some remarkable pictures. | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
Now a look at other stories making headlines around the World Today. | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
And evil, devious act of treason - that is the view of the Prime | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
Minister of Trinidad and Tobago Kamla Persad-Bissessar after an | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
apparent assassination plot. The BBC's Nick Davies who is in the | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
Port of Spain says definitive information is still patchy. | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
authorities are keeping much of the information to themselves. What we | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
are gathering is there may be other people who are implicated who are | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
basically on the run but the government here are really | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
concerned over the fact that members of the security forces are | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
actually implicated in this plot, whatever it might have been. They | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
are looking for explosives and weapons. At the moment, all the | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
police and Trinidad and Tobago defence force are on high alert. | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
Moroccans are voting in general elections which were brought | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
forward as a response to the revolutions around the Arab world. | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
It is a first under the new Moroccan constitution which gives | :11:01. | :11:09. | |
greater powers to the parliament. Joining in the studio he is a | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
commentator on international affairs. I know you have just come | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
back from Morocco. Do you believe these elections signal a | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
fundamental shift that Morocco is now part of the democratic movement | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
in the Arab world? Absolutely. The elections will open a new landscape | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
in political terms in Morocco. It will initiate a new era for | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
Moroccans as well. It is for the Prime Minister to actually decide | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
the fate of the best -- the executive. It is no longer be king. | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
Up to a point, if I may interrupt. The King retains his own powers | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
over military matters and defence. He is still a key player. He is | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
very much a key player. He will remain the arbiter of the political | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
scene but the political parties will be playing their own role. The | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
new constitution has given them wider powers to initiate a new era, | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
especially to invite the youngsters, the new generation to take part in | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
the parties. In the past, or the political parties have been | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
dominated by the old guard, as it were. Today, the new elections will | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
introduce a new initiative and that will give opportunities for the new | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
generation. The sound like an optimist and we are seeing pictures | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
of a calm looking Morocco there but the truth is, youth unemployment | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
around 40 % and we have continued to seek almost daily demonstrations | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
by disaffected youths who say the reform does not go far enough. | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
course, and in Morocco there are protests on a regular basis. It is | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
on a weekly basis. Every Sunday youngsters go and protest and they | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
are allowed to. The new constitution protects the right to | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
protest and protect the people from violations of their human rights. | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
Do you think there is a message about other Arab monarchies like | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
Jordan and Saudi Arabia? Do you think they will be watching this | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
transition? They are watching it very carefully. Morocco always came | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
out first with new constitution, with a new model to be emulated in | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
the Arab world. They have so far succeeded and I think the new | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
constitution will introduce a new political landscape that will be | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
emulated throughout the Arab world. Thank you for joining us. | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
Still to come on the programme: We explain why some of the biggest | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
names in food will still -- soon be allowed to trade in India. | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
First, let's get all of the other business news. Aaron is joining me | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
now. We have to look at Italy again because the bond markets are | :13:59. | :14:08. | |
telling us that the crisis in Italy is by no means over. Absolutely. | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
Investors gave them all the money they were looking for but the | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
investors said, sure, we will do it but you give a 7.8 % in interest. | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
That is sky high. It is very expensive for Italy. You add that | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
to the fact that on Wednesday we saw a very lacklustre German debt | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
auction, you add that to the fact we are seeing some big selling | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
volumes out of the US, Asia and all things Europe, if you have to | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
picture that the global markets are turning their backs on Europe. They | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
are saying, we are fed up, you they let the eurozone break-up or you | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
let the European Central Bank step in and step in in a big way. The | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
problem is, Germany is very heavily opposed to that idea. While Germany | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
maybe the blocking to all of this, it could also be the only saviour. | :14:56. | :15:05. | |
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Germany is the only economy at the centre of Europe with the firepower | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
to solve this problem. Whether they pay for it in a very direct, or be | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
assuaged by giving loans to the rest of Europe, or whether they | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
find some clever financial mechanism, like the European | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
Central Bank buying back debt from other countries, ultimately it | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
falls on Germany. So while Angela Merkel is the problem, she is the | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
only possible solution. It goes on and on! Let's not forget there are | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
other interesting things happening. The British former boss of Olympus | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
has gone back into the lion's den, to a certain extent, because he was | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
fired and now he is back. Yes. This is the man who was unanimously | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
fired by the Olympus board after he started questioning this $1.3 | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
billion his company had paid out in fees to a rather obscure companies | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
and money they had used for takeovers which largely ended up | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
being written off. At first, Olympus denied any wrongdoing but | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
then they admitted that they had been covering up huge investment | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
losses over a decade. So he came back and face the board. He wants | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
the ball to go. This is what he had to say. I am not obsessed about | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
returning back. I have got a wonderful legal position and I will | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
be comfortably well-off. I was sacked for gross misconduct. Any of | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
you who look at the case will see that. If I am not wanted back, and | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
it is the shareholders who will make the decision, that is fine by | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
me. We will keep our eye on that story. Thank you. | :16:45. | :16:55. | |
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We want to hear what you think. Go to the website and follow the link. | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
This is GMT. Here are the headlines: Mounting pressure on | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
Egypt's military rulers to step down despite the appointment of | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
pomade and sorry as the new Prime Minister. And no word on allowing | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
an observer mission into Syria. A deadline set by the Arab League | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
could trigger new sanctions. The people of the Democratic | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
Republic of Congo go to the polls on Monday in what could be a | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
turning-point for the war-torn central African nation. Over 19,000 | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
candidates are in the running but elections in the Congo have, in the | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
past, been mired by violence. Andrew Harding has been to the east | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
of the country to the city still living with the legacy of Congo's | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
long wars. Excitement and more than a whiff of | :17:56. | :18:03. | |
trouble. It is election time in one of Africa's most chaotic countries, | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
and nobody in Congo is expecting a smooth ride. On the throne here, | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
one of 11 presidential hopefuls. Loyalties are dangerously for | :18:13. | :18:22. | |
brochures, and so it is the desire for change. They do not care about | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
the population. We don't have roads. In your country, you have Rhodes! | :18:29. | :18:38. | |
It is no joke! And not much peace either, here in eastern Congo. This | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
is a poor town where bicycles are Borden, the peacekeepers cannot be | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
everywhere and rival groups battle for power of Congo's mineral wealth. | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
The incumbent President has all the usual advantages and may sneak | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
another victory, but it could be close and pence. These elections | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
could be a step forward for a country that has squandered its | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
potential for decades, but this is a real danger that there could | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
trigger -- it could trigger a real instability, violence and impunity. | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
My fear is that all this might lead to serious violence and the | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
breaking up of this country. Who knows. Out of sight, the clearest | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
proof of Congo's enduring lawlessness. In a hospital, new | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
victims of the epidemic of sexual violence that still blights the | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
countryside. 15-year-old Mary says she was raped this week by two | :19:43. | :19:53. | |
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unknown men. Then they beat me, she says. She does not expect justice. | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
But the hope for progress remains strong here. He is one of 19,000 | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
candidates running for a seat in Parliament at these elections. | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
think this is a step forward. Let's not think of miracles, but I think | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
this is a step forward towards a stronger institutions and a | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
peaceful country. Then we can get development. Miracles are not on | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
the cards. But Congo's economy is growing and its fate matters to | :20:28. | :20:38. | |
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Africa. It is the wounded giant at the centre of the Continent. | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
The world's biggest supermarket chains, the likes of Wal-Mart, | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
Carrefour and Tesco, have opened in many countries, but until now, | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
there were not allowed to sell directly to shoppers in India. All | :20:52. | :20:58. | |
of that is set to change after the government's decision to change the | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
rules and open up the country's multi-billion dollar retail market. | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
This is how in the shops for its daily needs. In congested local | :21:07. | :21:14. | |
markets. Haggling for the best price. The produce get here after | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
passing through many hands. A cumbersome supply chain that has | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
somehow survived. But it is also unregulated. The poor | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
infrastructure at leading to huge losses. It is a scene you can see | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
outside money market in India. Large piles of rotting fruits and | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
vegetables left out in the open, exposed to the elements. It is | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
estimated that up to 40% of India's produced is wasted because of poor | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
storage facilities. A sign of things to come. At a massive Wal- | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
Mart cash and carry store offering a wide range of products. But at | :21:53. | :22:00. | |
the moment, only to wholesalers. Businesses, hotels and restaurants. | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
With the rules changed, they will soon sell directly to consumers. At | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
a farm outside Delhi, a bumper crop of aubergine. It is meant for the | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Wal-Mart cash and carry store. The company sources directly from the | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
farmer. Monitoring quality and cutting out the middlemen. And the | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
farmers earn considerably more. TRANSLATION: Earlier, we had to | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
travel a long way to market and deal with middlemen. We never used | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
to get a good rate. Now the company takes a or vegetables and pays us | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
much more. -- takes a or vegetables. But these are the ones who are | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
threatened. The local vegetable vendor. Earning subsistence wages. | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
There are about 20 million of them in India taking care of the | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
country's demand for fresh food. With international giants coming in, | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
many fear they will be wiped out. If you take an average Wal-Mart | :23:04. | :23:12. | |
store, it will displace about 11,000 people. This is the | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
calculation we have done. It will be replaced with 285 jobs. Another | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
day and a fresh load of farm produce arrives at Delhi's main | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
wholesale market. A scene that could soon fade away and change the | :23:28. | :23:38. | |
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wake Indians shop. -- the way. We will return to the turmoil in | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
Syria. We have heard in the last few moments that the Arab League | :23:43. | :23:53. | |
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has changed its deadline to set a new one. No response from the | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
Syrian authorities. The Arab League has given them till the end of | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
today. That is Cairo time. Our correspondent has been in Syria for | :24:03. | :24:10. | |
a week and made an extraordinary journey to the City of harms. It is | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
the centre of President al-Assad's rule. -- the City of harms. Can you | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
explain to me where you went and how you were able to travel, given | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
that international journalists are barred from Syria and have been | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
four months? We did not go officially. We went on the | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
underground supply line that Syrian fighters, and this is becoming | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
increasingly military-led, to run guns into places like this from | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
Lebanon, and to take casualties on the way out. We met a group of | :24:46. | :24:55. | |
smugglers in the dead of night. They had two or three weapons each. | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
We walked across the border with them. The Syrian army has sown a | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
lot of minds on that border and they have reinforced their patrols. | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
-- a lot of mines. And then in what seemed like a remarkably efficient | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
process, we were passed from activist group to activist group, | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
with members of what is sometimes called the Free Syrian Army, | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
sometimes with those just supporting them, going on back | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
roads, skirting around checkpoints, until we reached the outskirts of | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
the city itself, which is ringed by the Syrian army. And activists are | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
literally running across roads and fields, hoping to dodge the army to | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
get into the centre of the city itself. How many resistance at | :25:42. | :25:49. | |
providers are there in and around the city now? There were claims | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
that there were thousands, but what is your estimate? I think it is | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
probably exaggerated that there of thousands. Spokesmen outside the | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
country have spoken about 15,000. We have spoken to the commander and | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
they were claiming 500. Bear in mind that their estimate of the | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
official security forces were some 150,000. So this is a very small | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
force. But it is growing in number every day, and we saw defection has | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
more or less every day, and in the middle of the night, you would hear | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
a lot of gunfire. It would go on and be Syrian soldiers literally | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
running from their bases on the outskirts to join the opposition in | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
opposition-held areas, if you can call than that. This is what | :26:37. | :26:45. | |
changed the game. This will continue if it goes on like this. | :26:45. | :26:49. |