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Tension in in Tahrir Square, another mass protest in Cairo as

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Egypt's military rulers appoint a new Prime Minister. This, the scene

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live in the centre of Cairo. The military insist next week's

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election will go ahead but protesters are calling on the

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Welcome to GMT, I am Stephen Sackur. Also in the programme: Syria in a

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stand-off with the Arab League. Observers are not allowed in to

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monitor the violence so are sanctions on the way?

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And voting in the world's most war- torn country. People prepared to go

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to the polls in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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It is 12:30pm here in London, 7:30am in Washington DC and 2:30pm

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in Cairo where tens of thousands of protesters have again gathered in

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Tahrir Square to demand the removal of the ruling Ministry -- Military

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Council. Reports that a new Prime Minister, Hussein Tantawi, have not

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diffused tensions in the capital -- Kamal Ganzouri. Protesters are

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calling for parliamentary elections to be postponed. Lyse Doucet joins

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me live from Tahrir Square. You can see behind me Tahrir Square is

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teeming with people today. At Friday prayers held in this huge

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space, you saw men and women in different areas kneeling in pram

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and then chanting in unison: God is great. The chance coming from the

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square are the same we have heard all week, leave, leave. Never mind

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that the military have promised they will not hold on to power,

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they have pledged elections beginning on Monday but the people

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who gathered here are still not convinced. They are still calling

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on field map -- field Marcio Hussein Tantawi to stand down.

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These are not the only voices being raised in Cairo today. If there is

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a rival demonstration close to the Defence Ministry which is

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criticising Tahrir Square and expressing support for Field

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Marshal Hussein Tantawi. Today is a day which underlines that Egypt is

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in crisis and it is a divided nation. But what about the politics

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going forward? We can join now in one of our Cairo studios, a veteran

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Egyptian politician who is hoping to run for the elections. What is

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your view about the continuing protest in Tahrir Square? Should

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but the protests continue? This is a protest which has been done by

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people who feel they have been disappointed by the revolution,

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that it has been jeopardised by the political class, by the military on

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the one hand and they are just fed up from military rule, from his

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handling of the past 10 months. I do not think they will give in very

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easily, unless the military council meets part of the demands, not

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necessarily all of the demands but at least part of their demands.

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Which is to delegate domestic decision making entirely to a

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civilian government so they have the prerogatives to not be as the

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former cabinet was, the secretary at and Military Council. The

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military council has lost a lot of its popularity in these past days.

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But many Egyptians here, I would say most Egyptians still feel that

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this is the only institution that is left that we trust. Will make a

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difference between the army and the staff and the army, we have to not

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protect, because it is their job to protect us, but we have to stand by

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the army and I am one of them. main politics sees -- seems to be

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on the streets and in the squares, are you confident the elections can

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take place safely and surely? the concerns about the elections on

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Monday are raising by the day, by the hour. Many of us have suggested

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they should be postponed. Not cancelled, but postponed. Postponed

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for a week or two. How can you run elections in Tahrir Square when it

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is burning? How can you run elections in the mainstay of the

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area? It is ridiculous. People are scared. People are fearful to go

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out of their houses. We have been encouraging people to participate

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because we knew the Liberals had a big chance, particularly that which

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ran a part off. Nobody said we should take it for granted that the

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Islamist so should come to power. They are the best organised but

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they also have a lot of tensions among them. The latest statements

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have triggered the buyer of a lot of sections of society, among them

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the women, the cops and the Liberals. And among them, the

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moderate Muslims who do not want to be told when to pray or how their

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women should be addressed. -- how the women should be dressed. Thank

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you for joining us from central Cairo as we continue our coverage

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of this unrest here in Egypt. Many are saddened that as Egypt heads

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towards what are supposed to be the freest and fairest elections in

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Egypt's Modern History are now being overshadowed. They are

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overshadowed by the injuries and deaths we saw across Egypt. Also

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overshadowed by the growing gap in trust between the protesters and

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the military. But the military said the elections can and will go ahead.

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The big question now is, is Egypt heading for a greater unrest or

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will it move confidently into a new Egypt? We will keep an eye on

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developments here. Lyse Doucet, thank you very much indeed. We will

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stay with turmoil in the Middle East because the Arab League and

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Syria are now locked in a trial of strength. The League demanded that

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Syria accept 500 observers in to monitor the violence in the country,

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or face sanctions and further isolation. In the last hour, the

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deadline passed apparently without a Syrian response. To add to the

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pressure, a report from the United Nations human rights panel which

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says there is evidence that security forces are torturing

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children. Frank Gardner reports. When an army starts using anti-

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aircraft guns on its own people, Undeterred by tanks, torture and

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over 3,000 deaths, a Syrian protesters are still taking to the

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streets, risking their lives to call for an end to the rule of

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President Bashar al-Assad. Often pictured on state TV surrounded by

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acolytes, he is facing the most serious challenge to his role. Many

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feel he is hanging on because the population fears the chaos that

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will follow his departure. So long as the regime can maintain some

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kind of viability financially to keep paying those who need to fight

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for the regime and defend it, there will be many Syrians who have too

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much to lose to want to join the opposition. Deserters like these

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from the Syrian army are starting to appear but not in big numbers.

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There have been attacks on military installations, prompting fears of a

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civil war, a nightmare for the Arab League. Its members have already

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suspended Syria. Its chair stands empty. They have been meeting to

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discuss whether to introduce harsh new sanctions are this area pulls

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its troops out of cities and allows in monitors. Syria's neighbour,

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Turkey, says time is running out. Already there is talk of a

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humanitarian crisis with Syrian refugees fleeing across the border

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into Turkey. France is looking to establish humanitarian corridors to

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protect Syrians -- civilians. Meanwhile, the protests continued.

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The sniping, the arrests, the intimidation, the torture and

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bloodshed show no sign of stopping. Later in the programme we will be

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speaking to the BBC's Paul Wood who spent a week inside Syria and has

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come back from -- with some remarkable pictures.

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Now a look at other stories making headlines around the World Today.

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And evil, devious act of treason - that is the view of the Prime

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Minister of Trinidad and Tobago Kamla Persad-Bissessar after an

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apparent assassination plot. The BBC's Nick Davies who is in the

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Port of Spain says definitive information is still patchy.

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authorities are keeping much of the information to themselves. What we

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are gathering is there may be other people who are implicated who are

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basically on the run but the government here are really

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concerned over the fact that members of the security forces are

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actually implicated in this plot, whatever it might have been. They

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are looking for explosives and weapons. At the moment, all the

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police and Trinidad and Tobago defence force are on high alert.

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Moroccans are voting in general elections which were brought

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forward as a response to the revolutions around the Arab world.

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It is a first under the new Moroccan constitution which gives

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greater powers to the parliament. Joining in the studio he is a

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commentator on international affairs. I know you have just come

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back from Morocco. Do you believe these elections signal a

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fundamental shift that Morocco is now part of the democratic movement

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in the Arab world? Absolutely. The elections will open a new landscape

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in political terms in Morocco. It will initiate a new era for

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Moroccans as well. It is for the Prime Minister to actually decide

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the fate of the best -- the executive. It is no longer be king.

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Up to a point, if I may interrupt. The King retains his own powers

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over military matters and defence. He is still a key player. He is

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very much a key player. He will remain the arbiter of the political

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scene but the political parties will be playing their own role. The

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new constitution has given them wider powers to initiate a new era,

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especially to invite the youngsters, the new generation to take part in

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the parties. In the past, or the political parties have been

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dominated by the old guard, as it were. Today, the new elections will

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introduce a new initiative and that will give opportunities for the new

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generation. The sound like an optimist and we are seeing pictures

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of a calm looking Morocco there but the truth is, youth unemployment

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around 40 % and we have continued to seek almost daily demonstrations

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by disaffected youths who say the reform does not go far enough.

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course, and in Morocco there are protests on a regular basis. It is

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on a weekly basis. Every Sunday youngsters go and protest and they

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are allowed to. The new constitution protects the right to

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protest and protect the people from violations of their human rights.

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Do you think there is a message about other Arab monarchies like

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Jordan and Saudi Arabia? Do you think they will be watching this

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transition? They are watching it very carefully. Morocco always came

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out first with new constitution, with a new model to be emulated in

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the Arab world. They have so far succeeded and I think the new

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constitution will introduce a new political landscape that will be

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emulated throughout the Arab world. Thank you for joining us.

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Still to come on the programme: We explain why some of the biggest

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names in food will still -- soon be allowed to trade in India.

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First, let's get all of the other business news. Aaron is joining me

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now. We have to look at Italy again because the bond markets are

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telling us that the crisis in Italy is by no means over. Absolutely.

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Investors gave them all the money they were looking for but the

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investors said, sure, we will do it but you give a 7.8 % in interest.

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That is sky high. It is very expensive for Italy. You add that

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to the fact that on Wednesday we saw a very lacklustre German debt

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auction, you add that to the fact we are seeing some big selling

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volumes out of the US, Asia and all things Europe, if you have to

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picture that the global markets are turning their backs on Europe. They

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are saying, we are fed up, you they let the eurozone break-up or you

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let the European Central Bank step in and step in in a big way. The

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problem is, Germany is very heavily opposed to that idea. While Germany

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maybe the blocking to all of this, it could also be the only saviour.

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Germany is the only economy at the centre of Europe with the firepower

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to solve this problem. Whether they pay for it in a very direct, or be

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assuaged by giving loans to the rest of Europe, or whether they

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find some clever financial mechanism, like the European

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Central Bank buying back debt from other countries, ultimately it

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falls on Germany. So while Angela Merkel is the problem, she is the

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only possible solution. It goes on and on! Let's not forget there are

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other interesting things happening. The British former boss of Olympus

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has gone back into the lion's den, to a certain extent, because he was

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fired and now he is back. Yes. This is the man who was unanimously

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fired by the Olympus board after he started questioning this $1.3

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billion his company had paid out in fees to a rather obscure companies

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and money they had used for takeovers which largely ended up

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being written off. At first, Olympus denied any wrongdoing but

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then they admitted that they had been covering up huge investment

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losses over a decade. So he came back and face the board. He wants

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the ball to go. This is what he had to say. I am not obsessed about

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returning back. I have got a wonderful legal position and I will

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be comfortably well-off. I was sacked for gross misconduct. Any of

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you who look at the case will see that. If I am not wanted back, and

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it is the shareholders who will make the decision, that is fine by

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me. We will keep our eye on that story. Thank you.

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We want to hear what you think. Go to the website and follow the link.

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This is GMT. Here are the headlines: Mounting pressure on

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Egypt's military rulers to step down despite the appointment of

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pomade and sorry as the new Prime Minister. And no word on allowing

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an observer mission into Syria. A deadline set by the Arab League

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could trigger new sanctions. The people of the Democratic

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Republic of Congo go to the polls on Monday in what could be a

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turning-point for the war-torn central African nation. Over 19,000

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candidates are in the running but elections in the Congo have, in the

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past, been mired by violence. Andrew Harding has been to the east

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of the country to the city still living with the legacy of Congo's

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long wars. Excitement and more than a whiff of

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trouble. It is election time in one of Africa's most chaotic countries,

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and nobody in Congo is expecting a smooth ride. On the throne here,

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one of 11 presidential hopefuls. Loyalties are dangerously for

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brochures, and so it is the desire for change. They do not care about

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the population. We don't have roads. In your country, you have Rhodes!

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It is no joke! And not much peace either, here in eastern Congo. This

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is a poor town where bicycles are Borden, the peacekeepers cannot be

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everywhere and rival groups battle for power of Congo's mineral wealth.

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The incumbent President has all the usual advantages and may sneak

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another victory, but it could be close and pence. These elections

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could be a step forward for a country that has squandered its

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potential for decades, but this is a real danger that there could

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trigger -- it could trigger a real instability, violence and impunity.

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My fear is that all this might lead to serious violence and the

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breaking up of this country. Who knows. Out of sight, the clearest

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proof of Congo's enduring lawlessness. In a hospital, new

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victims of the epidemic of sexual violence that still blights the

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countryside. 15-year-old Mary says she was raped this week by two

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unknown men. Then they beat me, she says. She does not expect justice.

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But the hope for progress remains strong here. He is one of 19,000

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candidates running for a seat in Parliament at these elections.

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think this is a step forward. Let's not think of miracles, but I think

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this is a step forward towards a stronger institutions and a

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peaceful country. Then we can get development. Miracles are not on

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the cards. But Congo's economy is growing and its fate matters to

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Africa. It is the wounded giant at the centre of the Continent.

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The world's biggest supermarket chains, the likes of Wal-Mart,

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Carrefour and Tesco, have opened in many countries, but until now,

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there were not allowed to sell directly to shoppers in India. All

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of that is set to change after the government's decision to change the

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rules and open up the country's multi-billion dollar retail market.

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This is how in the shops for its daily needs. In congested local

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markets. Haggling for the best price. The produce get here after

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passing through many hands. A cumbersome supply chain that has

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somehow survived. But it is also unregulated. The poor

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infrastructure at leading to huge losses. It is a scene you can see

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outside money market in India. Large piles of rotting fruits and

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vegetables left out in the open, exposed to the elements. It is

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estimated that up to 40% of India's produced is wasted because of poor

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storage facilities. A sign of things to come. At a massive Wal-

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Mart cash and carry store offering a wide range of products. But at

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the moment, only to wholesalers. Businesses, hotels and restaurants.

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With the rules changed, they will soon sell directly to consumers. At

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a farm outside Delhi, a bumper crop of aubergine. It is meant for the

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Wal-Mart cash and carry store. The company sources directly from the

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farmer. Monitoring quality and cutting out the middlemen. And the

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farmers earn considerably more. TRANSLATION: Earlier, we had to

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travel a long way to market and deal with middlemen. We never used

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to get a good rate. Now the company takes a or vegetables and pays us

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much more. -- takes a or vegetables. But these are the ones who are

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threatened. The local vegetable vendor. Earning subsistence wages.

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There are about 20 million of them in India taking care of the

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country's demand for fresh food. With international giants coming in,

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many fear they will be wiped out. If you take an average Wal-Mart

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store, it will displace about 11,000 people. This is the

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calculation we have done. It will be replaced with 285 jobs. Another

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day and a fresh load of farm produce arrives at Delhi's main

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wholesale market. A scene that could soon fade away and change the

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wake Indians shop. -- the way. We will return to the turmoil in

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Syria. We have heard in the last few moments that the Arab League

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has changed its deadline to set a new one. No response from the

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Syrian authorities. The Arab League has given them till the end of

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today. That is Cairo time. Our correspondent has been in Syria for

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a week and made an extraordinary journey to the City of harms. It is

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the centre of President al-Assad's rule. -- the City of harms. Can you

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explain to me where you went and how you were able to travel, given

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that international journalists are barred from Syria and have been

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four months? We did not go officially. We went on the

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underground supply line that Syrian fighters, and this is becoming

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increasingly military-led, to run guns into places like this from

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Lebanon, and to take casualties on the way out. We met a group of

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smugglers in the dead of night. They had two or three weapons each.

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We walked across the border with them. The Syrian army has sown a

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lot of minds on that border and they have reinforced their patrols.

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-- a lot of mines. And then in what seemed like a remarkably efficient

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process, we were passed from activist group to activist group,

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with members of what is sometimes called the Free Syrian Army,

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sometimes with those just supporting them, going on back

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roads, skirting around checkpoints, until we reached the outskirts of

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the city itself, which is ringed by the Syrian army. And activists are

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literally running across roads and fields, hoping to dodge the army to

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get into the centre of the city itself. How many resistance at

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providers are there in and around the city now? There were claims

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that there were thousands, but what is your estimate? I think it is

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probably exaggerated that there of thousands. Spokesmen outside the

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country have spoken about 15,000. We have spoken to the commander and

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they were claiming 500. Bear in mind that their estimate of the

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official security forces were some 150,000. So this is a very small

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force. But it is growing in number every day, and we saw defection has

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more or less every day, and in the middle of the night, you would hear

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a lot of gunfire. It would go on and be Syrian soldiers literally

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running from their bases on the outskirts to join the opposition in

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opposition-held areas, if you can call than that. This is what

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changed the game. This will continue if it goes on like this.

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