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On-the-spot fines, for trivial offences. Have some councils gone

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too far in their drive to raise cash? I got a tap on my shoulder.

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There were two men and they started talking to me about a cigarette

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Butt. I panicked and thought I started a fire. It didn't occur to

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me dropping it was the crime. big freeze of 1963 By the end of

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January, the frozen waters stretched two-and-a-half miles out

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to sea. Margate pier and Herne Bay were actually surrounded by pancake

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ice. And the story of Sherman's shirts. Invented in Brighton.

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bare wear didn't sell but the button down shirt went like crazy.

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I am Natalie Graham with untold stories closer to home. From all

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round the south-east, this is Inside Out. Hello, I am in Herne

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Bay on a blustery winter's day. I am back here later, but first up,

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Wendy Hurrell asks whether some councils are being too aggressive

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in the way their officers hand out fines. All councils have litter

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patrols, it is a constant battle for locals, businesses and the

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council's wardens to keep the streets litter free. We got back at

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Christmas, this is what we came back to. Rubbish everywhere. Even

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on the other side of the building. It's a brand-new nursery and coffee

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shop. We have children in the building, all the time. The rubbish

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gets added to every day. We did pay to have it all removed but it is

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back again. Once the perpetrators have been traced, first they will

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get a warning, then if they do it again, they will be looking at a

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fine. We talk to people and we educate them and we want compliance.

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We are not out to fine people to increase the coffer, we want people

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to comply. Keep it as clean as we would wish. In this borough,

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enforcement is a mixture of investigations and education. It is

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not a cash cow nor the council. Elsewhere, it is a different story.

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Here in Bromley, they are concentrating on a different kind

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of rubbish enforszment. Daily patrols are off pedestrians

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dropping cigarette Butts. Outside Bromley south station, smokers

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gather before catching train, unaware that by the flower stall,

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wardens are waiting to pounce. A traveller discards his used

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cigarette, watches by warned ch inside he is handed an �80 fine

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which he must pay within enday, or he could be -- ten diers he could

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be summoned to court and given a criminal record. Shortly after a

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student is stopped at the main shopping centre for dropping a roll

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up. I got a top on the shoulder, and I turned round and two men were

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there and they just started talking to me and I panic and thought I

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started a fire. It didn't occur to me that dropping the cigarette was

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the crime. I thought it must be something I had done by accident

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and I panicked. At the end of August last year, Bromley council

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switched from using their own wardens and employed a private

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company for their litter patrols. In their first month they issued

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618 fines, bringing in a potential revenue of almost �50,000. Compare

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that to the previous month, when Bromley's staff issued just four

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tickets. They told news a statement: We understand the

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concerns raised with regard to the alleged incentivising forces. The

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only people affected by our presence are those individuals that

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decide to dispose of waste incorrectly and leave their litter

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and dog waste on the streets. Freedom of Information requests

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have revealed fines have been issued for the strangest things.

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Here is Tony Blackburn with our top of the drops. It is final for top

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of the drops. Number five. The warden's slapped an �80 penalty for

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dropping a pen. Four, they protected the environment by

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charging a member of the public with dropping an ice-cream. A main

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nous offence. Discarding peanut shells. At two, a bank card. Number

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one in our top of the drop, charging a member of the public

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with dropping a piece of cotton thread. Unbelievable! But by far

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the largest number of fines, 95% are for dropping cigarette Butts.

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put my cigarette out in the gutter. They said that is illegal. We have

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to issue you with a fine. They started reading my rights, saying

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you have the right to remain silent. I thought it was a prang. They gave

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me a ticket and I paid that within ten days. Do you feel like they

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have made money out of this? There is no signs up round here, I feel

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hard done by it. With councils across London strapped for cash,

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critics say on-the-spot fines are becoming a new way of making up the

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deficit. They are looking at our residents as a cash cow, they have

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raised over I think about �17,000 alone in litter fine, in a year.

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They keep telling us they are on the side of our residents, but this

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proves the only thing that is they seem to be interested in is

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screwing as much month out of the residents as possible. The council

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maintain they are doing a public service by handing out fines for

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littering. We don't make any money. It costs us more to enforce the

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fines. We are trying to make sure people don't litter. If they don't

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we don't have to spend �7.million to pick up the tonnes of waste we

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get from people dropping stuff on the ground. As issuing fines for

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small scale littering is a money spinner, the concern is an

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enticement to private companies to hand them out in greater number and

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generate vast apts of profit. think whenever you have wardens who

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have a personal interest, directly or indirectly to issue as many

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fines as pob, you, they don't ib issue fines for the right thing,

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they issue fine Forbes minor offences so you get a punishment

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not in the public interest. Jane, who we can't identify because of

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the nature of her work, believes the wardens who approaches her were

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not following proper law enforcement procedure. He just came

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up to me, did not tell me who he was, what company he works for, or

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whom he represent, I was left in shock, thinking what? He literally

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was standing right next to me, as if to block my movements. Jane

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insists that the warden could and should have issued her with a

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warning, if they had been following Bromley council's own guidelines P

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The verbal warning is there. Why was I not made a beneficiary of

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that particular warning? I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that

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this is a cash, money making enforcement scheme. Bromley council

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responded to criticism of their new policy. We have taken a decision

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with this contract, that it will be a policy that penalises people for

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littering because it adds to the cost other ratepayers have to bear

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on their council tax to keep the streets clean. You can challenge a

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litter fine but you have to go to a magistrates the court do so. Most

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people though are reluctant to do that. They gave me a piece of paper

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with the stuff on it, �80 and they were if you take it to court it

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could be �2,000 my. Immediate thing was I don't have �806789 I don't

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want to o have to go to court Dropping litter is a criminal

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offence, and one that the magistrates association feels

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should be dealt with in court. private company there's is no kind

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of transparency, they don't report to anybody. The media doesn't see

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it. The general public can't see it. There is no opportunity to question

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it or very limited appeal provisions. In my view the

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Magistrates' Court is much more transparent and consistent and it

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delivers accident justice over and above what the private company can

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deliver in the future. Back in Croydon, their environment officers

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have traced the owner of the dump material and are in the process of

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contacting them, having cleared the waste away. Coming up on Inside Out.

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I think I was ten. It was probably my tenth birthday. I collected all

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the money from aunts andles and I went to Selfridges, first time I

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went to buy something on my own. What I was doing was going for a

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button down Ben Sherman because no Today the snow is back. These were

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some of the scenes this morning as once again much of the south-east

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turned into a Winter Wonderland. But if you think this was bad, you

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should have been here in 1963. It was the worst winter of the 20th

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century. And the coldest for more than 200 years P And it seemed to

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go on forever. 1962, 63 was the daddy of them all. Oh it was

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appalling. It was snow on top of snow on snow. In fact the first

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snow fell at Christmas, 1962, then more came, the following January.

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And then right at the end of that month, it snowed for 17 hours. And

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Kent was paralysed. It will go down in history and folk memory at that

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terrible winter of 1963. It was a remarkable remarkable winter.

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because the temperatures were so low, we were under a white blanket

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until March. That is more than two Villages and farms all over

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southern eng han, the telephone was the only remaining ling with the

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rest of the world. If the snow wasn't bad enough, it was

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occasionally made worse by the wind. Trisha was living in Brighton at

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the age of 7. So these are the snow pictures from 1963, and a lot of

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them show that there is not a lot of snow on the roofs because it was

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really blowing, very windy and we lived opposite east Brighton parks,

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Wilson avenue, and it was so bad, that there was snow in the loft and

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I think it's a dog basket up in the loft you can see in the photograph.

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The wind must have got in under the eves and blown the snow in. There

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is no holes in the roof and that is how it got in. I remember seeing

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children walking on top of hengs to the school bus, when the school bus

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didn't hurn up, they walked to school, because schools didn't

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close. Transport was badly hit and food supplys to more rural areas

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were becoming difficult. Someone had to dig the south-east out of

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the snow, and one of those was David Bennett from Swanscombe.

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Grateful people would give him and his colleagues food as they worked.

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One day, a farmer gave them two big raw steaks. We wondered how we were

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going to cook them. What we did, we made a fire, we cleaned our shovels,

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right off, clean, put the steak on the shovel, and cooked the steak on

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the shovel, with a can of baked beans, on the top. And that is how

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we had hot food. All day long. did it taste? The best steak I've

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ever tasted! But one of the most remarkable sights of the winter of

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63 was right here in Herne Bay. Or more specifically out there. Ice,

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ice and still more ice. There is not a break between Hampton and the

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main pier P It was so cold for such a long period of time, that the sea

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froze along the north Kent coast. By the end of January, the frozen

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water stretched two-and-a-half miles out to sea. Margate pier and

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Freezing conditions overcame the sea which froze for two miles out.

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Taking on the appearance of a white carpet of ice. Roger Turner was a

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journalist for the press. Like everyone else, he couldn't believe

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what he saw. I had been working on the local paper and was asked if

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big story for you? It was. There take photographs and some films of

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the sea. It was searched any unusual event. For the first time,

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the Medway froze from Chetham to Rochester. The Navy had to use an

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ice-breaker to keep Chatham dog free. What Roger remembers what was

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-- was not so much the site but the sound of the Allies. There was the

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rumbling noise. It was quite eerie. The whole PE was vibrating. You

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could feel it shaking with the force of the ice. Meanwhile in

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Mayfield in East Sussex, a young farmer set off on a 25 mile journey

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to see his fiancee. She lived in East Grinstead. Helen was 19 but

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her mother wouldn't let her get married and tell she was 21. I got

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a lift. The roads were so bad so I walked the rest of the way. I don't

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know how long it took me. When you widen and stupid, you do these kind

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of things. Derek made a heroic journey trudging for 15 miles.

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appeared like an overweight snowman. Suddenly my mother said, "if Derek

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love see that much, you can get married.". Apart from meaning he

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was 50 years since there was all that snow, it means it is 50 years

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Baquoba near Sevenoaks, the high standing village here was cut off.

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Lesley was part of the team attempting to open the road. He

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waited whilst a JCB digger went on head. He vanished into this white-

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out. We sat and waited and waited. Eventually, we saw this snowball

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coming through the snow towards us. What he hadn't realised was the

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wind was so strong, as fast as he was digging for Wood, the snow was

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blowing in behind him. Eventually he gave up and trudged his way back

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to the lorry. As far as I know, that digger stayed on the top of

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the common for at least two weeks. Imagine what it was like for Jean

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Stone at 50 years ago. She'd lived in Southfleet make Gravesend and it

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wasn't the best time to go into labour with her daughter, Deborah.

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They called the midwife who made an epic journey to reach them. There

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was no cards. She walked three miles across to me. It was in the

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middle of the night. It was quite a triage. Nick Knight in the heavy

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drifts was quite a challenge. to deliver a baby when she got

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It was obviously a difficult time for the south-east but it would

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appear that in the face of adversity, the community pulled

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together. It was unbelievable. The camaraderie, no one was down. They

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were laughing and joking. comradeship and everyone helping

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was fantastic. It was very much a, Rhodri effect. Like the last war.

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Everybody was looking after everybody else. There is a touch of

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wartime spirit. Everyone is chatting again. Did you enjoy your

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work? It was fantastic. It was a sense of being wanted. Two months

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of snow resulted in chaos but it also left many people with a tale

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to tell. That is why is it will be a long time before we forget the

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Also 50 years ago, a shirt factory opened in the middle of Brighton.

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The name on the label, Ben Sherman. Robin Gibson and covers the story

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of Brighton's contribution to British fashion and discovers why

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successive generations of trendsetters needed a Ben Sherman

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to look sharp. On the front in Brighton, a place

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to see and be seen. A picture that could have been filmed at any time

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during the last 50 years. The cocktail of youth cultures which

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found space here includes the Mods. I wouldn't feel like I wanted to go

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out until I had a pair of stay pressed on and a good coat. I

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couldn't figure of dressing anywhere else. The skin hope -- the

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skinheads, they it all weirdly dressed the same to look different.

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Part of their story started here with a shirt and an name. When I

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was at school, everyone wore Ben Sherman shirts. A shirt with

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something about it. They fitted and used to be very snug at the back.

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The quality of the material. Would you ever buy a Ben Sherman? If it

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looks cool, I would. If it was colourful. It is not really my

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thing. Who was Ben Sherman? suppose I was in the right place at

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the right time, we things that the youngsters wanted. He was a

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businessman, a wheeler-dealer from a family of Brighton pawnbroker's.

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Here in the middle of his home town, 50 years have passed since he made

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a deal to start a clothing factory. The starter for lunch -- the start

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of a legend, some would say. We won the first floor and apart from Fred

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Perry, who wasn't a designer, whose name is still going. Ben Sherman is

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the only fashion icon of those days that is still going. He thought the

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Sixties people were wanting fashion and colour and he was the man to

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sell it to them. His ideas came back from America where he read run

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a clothing business for his first wife's father. Wife number two was

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drafted into the business. Some ideas didn't work by one stood out.

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A all he knew was there was a gap in the market and the normal

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British man going on the beach down at Brighton would be quite happy

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with a square in Katif on his head and rolling up his white shirt and

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one in up his trousers and go paddling. What happened was the

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beach where didn't sell. The terry towelling robes, yes, they were

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quite good, but the button-down shirt just went down like crazy.

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The nice piece of cloth that knitted into the fabric of the

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The more the press and the media are reporting about a young youth's

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behaving in some way, the more people hear about it. That is how

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they learn how to do it. Room of invasion by a undesirables was

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wading out. Young people get recognised as a market, that people

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could be sold in a different way. If you and people round the 1960s,

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they had more money in their pocket. -- young people. They have

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different types of jobs from their He is a respected voice and music

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and style and he remembers well what it meant to wear the shirt.

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Buying my first Ben Sherman shirt was a really important moment in my

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life. It was the first time I had saved up money and gone up West to

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get a garment of clothing. I was 10 and I collected all the money from

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the family and went to Selfridges. The first time I had gone up West

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to buy something. What I was going for was a buttoned down Ben Sherman.

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The birthplace was Brighton, the setting for another piece of

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quintessential Mods and rockers Here in Brighton's lanes of met

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streets where Ben Sherman started out, people still come looking for

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what he started. The bright colours, but checks, the button-down collars.

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You don't have to look very far Mods, asking -- skinheads and two-

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tone has come here for or vintage gear like the shed. -- This shirt.

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These are the choice of the Mods. Buttons on the back, collars.

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do you think they were so particular about what they wore?

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Trying to be better than everyone else. The more detail on their

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shirts, the buttons on the sleeves, it was a working-class thing. They

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wanted to spend as much as the people that were more affluent.

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They're nice little touches, they spent their week's pay on a show it

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sometimes. The brand known worldwide is starting to celebrate

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its half-century. But the wheels of fashion turning once again. This is

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the place to ask how and why? button-down shirts, the box pleat,

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the slim fit. It is a lot more than that. We can look at any kind of

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product. Does it feel Ben Sherman? Does it have that magic? When we

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think about Ben Sherman, we imagine what he would think. Family members

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rarely buy my clothes any more because they know the collar won't

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be right. If it hasn't got a pleat at the back, I wouldn't be

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interested. They give up now. If I want clothes come I buy them myself.

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Ben Sherman became a legend in his lifetime but he sold his company in

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the Seventies and died in 1987 in Australia from lifelong heart

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problems. He is still in business. I think today, he would be thrilled

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and I think he would love to know what that people still buy the car

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for short -- shirts. In England, we don't go for these colours. He

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would have been really happy to be here now and be able to say to

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For more information on tonight's show, you can visit hour website.

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You can watch the whole show ago -- Coming up next week: Another time

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bomb for our trees. This time, the oak and sweet chestnut. The truth

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is that this would stop if we got Chestnut applied here. My business

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would collapse and everyone working in industry would lose their jobs.

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It would be an environmental catastrophe for the south-east of

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England. If and are the origins of English literature to be found

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closer than we think? We need a sure swashbuckling hero and a

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