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Hello. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:01 | |
Is is time to think out of the box when it comes to honey? | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
With bee numbers falling, something needs to be done. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Modern beekeeping is definitely adding to the trouble. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
It's developed in such a way that the most profit can | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
be made from the bees. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
If people suggest that we should stop collecting honey, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
they don't actually understand the principle the bees work on. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
And a Hampshire family opens up about their battle with mental | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
health and the struggle to get help. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
He'd be taking knives, like this, out of my kitchen drawer. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
He said he wanted people to feel his pain that he was suffering. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
I feel that it's unfair on my family that they've had to put | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
up with all of this. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
But they love you. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
Yeah, I know they do, but... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:50 | |
Every year, thousands of people with mental health problems | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
end up in police cells, in court or in prison. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
With one in four of us expected to struggle with our mental health | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
at some point in our lives, there simply aren't the support | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
services to go round to everybody who needs them. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
David Fenton's been finding out what happens when those asking | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
for help are turned away. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
As you can see, both of my windows have gone. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
This was just all smashed and jagged. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
For Anna Holder, living with her son can be difficult. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
This is when Taran's been really frustrated and unable to cope | 0:01:35 | 0:01:42 | |
with how he's feeling, he's come and actually punched | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
through the cupboards, he's had knives and been | 0:01:45 | 0:01:51 | |
stabbing at the cupboards. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
I'm having to try and calm him down while he's got a knife in his hand | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
and punching things. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
For Anna, everything changed when Taran was 11. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
He fell off a swing and cracked his head. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
Taran's always been a joker. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
A happy child. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Until he had his head injury. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
He became a different person, very angry and aggressive. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:25 | |
My thought process goes a bit nuts sometimes. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
I don't feel in control all the time, so my mind comes up | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
with all sorts of ideas which are going to happen so I m | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
starting to get ready for things like fight or flight. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
Taran has paranoia and multiple personality disorders. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
For him, the world outside his house is a scary place. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
I'd end up end up breaking and smashing things in a rage, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
breaking down crying. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
I felt like one day was years. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I felt like a lot of time I was going through... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
In 2015, his paranoia got worse. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
He began carrying weapons whenever he went outside. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
He'd be taking knives like this out of my kitchen drawer. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
He said he wanted people to feel his pain that he was suffering. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:29 | |
There was times when people were walking up to me and I've | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
put my hand there and I'm ready to take it out. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
So yeah, I guess I was dangerous. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
I could hear people talking outside, so when I walked past them | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
that day I knew something was going to happen to me and that | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
they're going to get me. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
So I thought, "Right, I m not going to say nothing." | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
I started looking out the window a lot as well and then see vans | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
waiting outside. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
They could be there for two minutes | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
and I'd already come up with something in my head that | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
something's going on. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
I thought that someone was definitely out to get me | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
and that the people in the area were waiting. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
It's not just been people, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
I've had conspiracy things with the police as well. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
You must have known that was illegal to be carrying | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
knives out in the street? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
Yeah, of course I knew it was illegal, but I also | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
had my life right at the time. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
I felt my life was at risk, so that's why I carried them. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
What would have been the trigger? | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
If I was threatened in any way, then I would have used it. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I wouldn't have liked to. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
And did you use them? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Only on myself, in the end. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
Taran wanted to be in hospital. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
His family wanted him sectioned for his own good. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
But the professionals said no. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
I was begging them to come and see him, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
begging the psychiatrists to see him to review the meds, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
begging for him to go into hospital. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
And basically the only way I can describe it is | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
they left him like an animal. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
A year on, Taran was still not well. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
I had a phone call from his girlfriend and she was screaming | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
and crying and saying Taran had been shouting saying, "I've had | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
enough, I want to be dead" and he was actually throwing himself | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
in front of cars. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
It ended in a stand off with police. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Now, he's on his way to court with mum and partner Andrea. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:38 | |
We are going to court and they will decide whether Taran | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
needs to be punished for his mental health or not. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:46 | |
How are you feeling about that? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
I feel really angry and really upset because we have been asking for help | 0:05:47 | 0:05:54 | |
since August for psychologist or medication review or anything | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
and we didn't get it and the question today should be | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
whether Taran get a psychologist and proper help or not. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
And it's still not nothing about helping us. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
He's been charged with damaging cars and spitting at two officers. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
Taran could be going to jail today. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:24 | |
He is nervous. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
He's been drinking a little bit for a couple of days. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
He doesn t like to make out that he's nervous but he is, definitely. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
You can tell. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
BLEEP. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Court is there. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
That's where I go magistrates, I'm not in crown court. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
That's where we go. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
In the taxi, the nerves begin to show. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
It's not BLEEP good, is it? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
Depending on what happens, if they say it was down to my mental | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
health or not or if I say I plead guilty, I don t know what's | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
going to be the outcome, so I just expect the worst and then | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
whatever happens happens. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
I feel it's unfair on my family that I m here and they have to put | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
up with all of this. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
But they love you. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
Yeah, I know they do, but... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
It's hard sometimes to explain why. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:31 | |
I should feel better if they didn't have to put up | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
with all the problems in my life. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:41 | |
What if he goes to prison? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Well, we wait until he comes home and start again | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
the game, asking for help. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Taran has pleaded guilty. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
He's about to hear his sentence. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
He wouldn't cope in prison. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
No way. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
I think he'd kill himself, that d be it. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
It's quite positive, he's not going to prison. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
It's the result they were hoping for. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
And he will get, hopefully, the proper help. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
He's on a community order,I think that s what they call it. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
The court has ordered Taran to see a psychologist. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
It's exactly what he d been asking for. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
You'll be all right. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
Yeah, it's all sorted now. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
They obviously see I wasn't well at the time | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
and took into consideration the things that were going on. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
So I'm lucky this time. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:41 | |
Yeah, so I'll speak to you when I get home | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
anyway, but it's all gone well. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
It's good, isn't it? | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
Bye-bye. Bye. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
Outside the court, I notice there's something different about Andrea. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
That's the engagement ring, is it? | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
It was a surprise for me, I didn't really expect it. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
He was on his knees. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
So, yeah, bit of crying. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
Quite romantic and really surprising, actually. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
You were very pleased. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
Yeah, I was, yeah, really pleased. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
I'm wearing my ring quite proudly, yeah. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
If you are going to miss an appointment for whatever reason, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
make sure you phone. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Taran says goodbye to the mental health team who helped in court. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
He'll get the treatment he wants. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Not everyone is so lucky. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Taran may struggle with his mental health, but whatever the future | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
holds, at least he's not facing it alone. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:38 | |
David Fenton reporting there. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
If you've been affected by any of the issues | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
raised in David's film, grab a pen because details | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
of where to get some help and advice are coming up at | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
the end of the show. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Still to come: Joe Crowley asks if Government cuts | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
are putting our farmers and our food at risk. | 0:09:52 | 0:10:01 | |
Just time for a quick reminder about Twitter. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
You can find out more about what we're up to at... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Next, is our sweet tooth putting the long-term future | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
of the honey bee in jeopardy? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Every year, we get through a staggering half | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
a billion jars of honey. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
Are we simply asking too much of the little honey bee? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:28 | |
Bees ? nature's wonder. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
Man's sweetest friend. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
For thousands of years, we've benefited from these | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
incredible insects. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
Here in the UK we consume more than 25,000 tonnes | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
of honey every year. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Bees are very calm, very content and you'll notice we've not used any | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
smoke on them at all yet. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Ian Homer from Dorset has been mastering his skills as a beekeeper | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
for the last 36 years. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Total relaxation. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:04 | |
I've never come across anything that gives me quite as much variation | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
of interest as beekeeping does. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
It also gives you honey. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
There's probably just a little over ?3 of honey there. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Ian collects around 300 jars of honey every year, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
from his 12 hives near Bridport. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
I enjoy so many different aspects of beekeeping. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
It teaches you so much about geology, about flora, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
about the social structure within the colony. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
Although Ian's hives appear to be healthy, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
the UK population of bees | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
has fallen by a third over the last century. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
Some experts blame the use of pesticides and the destruction | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
of natural flower rich habitats. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Others say that intensive farming of bees leaves them more | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
vulnerable to attack from the Varroa destructor - | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
a parasitic mite that can wipe out a colony. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
In an attempt to halt the bees' decline, in this Sussex garden, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Heidi Hermann has adopted a controversial | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
approach to beekeeping. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
Modern beekeeping is definitely adding to the trouble. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Over the last 100 years, it's developed into what I could only say | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
is a kind of control freak, taking control of every process | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
of the hive in such a way that the most profit can be made | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
from the bees for their product. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
Heidi is one of a growing number of natural beekeepers | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
who are suggesting that our sweet tooth might be contributing | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
to dwindling bee numbers. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
How many different colours there are, some more black than others. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
She doesn't use any chemicals and builds hives out | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
of natural materials. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
So is it all about trying to keep bees happy with | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
the minimal amount of stress? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Happy is, sort of, a human term, but the main aim | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
is to keep the bees healthy. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Yes, and to keep colonies, long lived colonies, that | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
are in tune with their environment and are able to perform | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
their pollination task in an effcient way as possible. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:20 | |
This is a hive made of straw, ideally organically grown straw | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
because this is the home where all the babies | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
in the future will be raised. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
And as they expand, bees expand downwards not upwards, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
and I gave them more room by putting those boxes underneath. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:39 | |
The Natural Beekeeping Trust believes taking honey | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
from the bees weakens the colony. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Heidi only harvests a very small amount for use as a medicine. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
And you'd never take honey from this? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
You would never gather honey? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
No, I would not take honey from this because it would mean | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
disrupting that hive. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
There are hives I have that make it possible to take honey. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
But, I have to say, it's neither for myself nor for any of my fellow | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
trustees in the Natural Beekeeping Trust. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
The honey is definitely not a priority. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
I think if people suggest that we should stop collecting | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
honey, they don't actually understand the principle | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
that bees work on. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Bees will go out to gather enough honey for themselves | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
and they will keep gathering honey until the nectar flow stops | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
or the colony dies out. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
If we stopped gathering honey, eventually we'd get to a stage | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
where a lot of colonies would cease to function because they wouldn't | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
have anywhere to keep all of the honey. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
Traditional beekeepers, like Ian, also worry that Heidi's chemical | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
free approach to disease control could increase | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
the spread of Varroa mites. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
They have to remember that the bees that they keep are part | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
of a national stock of bees. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Those bees fly freely and interact with other people's bees. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
And if they're not inspecting for disease, which few | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
of the natural beekeepers are able to do because of the way | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
in which the bees are kept, then that could spread | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
disease into my hives. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
You can't be on the treatment treadmill forever. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
If a colony is stressed, it has no possibility | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
of defending itself, of actually developing its own innate | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
defences against Varroa. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
My bees have never been treated against Varroa | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
and they do absolutely fine, they have better longevity | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
than most beekeepers' bees. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
One thing both Ian and Heidi do agree on is that bees need our help. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:39 | |
In Andover, carpenter Matt Sommerville has taken a natural | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
approach to lending a hand. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Matt, this is everything a traditional hive isn't. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
It's not square. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:50 | |
No. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
It's just a beautiful thing. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
What's the idea behind it? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
It's not that complicated. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
All I've really done is look at bees in the wild and try to replicate | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
a nice habitat for them off the ground, away | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
from people and predators, where bees can evolve to be healthy. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
And we're finding that set up in trees, bees just thrive | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
without human intervention. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Bees have been round for millions and millions of years, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
long before we came on the planet, and they've always been looking | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
for places like caves or trees, that was their place to go, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
and nowadays a lot of trees are being cut down and there isn't | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
a habitat for the bees. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
So by making these, we can allow bees to find them by themselves | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
and we're getting strong bees from them. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:38 | |
This one was my first. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
I had no idea whether bees would find it. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
We just found a suitable looking tree and whacked it up there. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
Within two weeks - bingo, bees found it. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
So the theory is you just let the bees do their thing? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
If there aren't bees in the area, then you don't get any bees. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Just like a bird box. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
I quite often come back just to watch them, their progress. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
If the queen's healthy and laying, then they bring back lots of pollen. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Seeing bees bring back sacks full of pollen is a good sign that | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
everything's strong in the hive. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
If they're surviving, then they're genetically strong bees. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
However they're doing it, they're strong. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
We need them so much for pollination, not just | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
for ourselves, for all our fruits and vegetables that we eat, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
but for nature, generally, all the flowers in our landscape. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
That's the primary importance of bees. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
No dead bees. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
It's dry and I can just see one Varroa mite in the middle there. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
So it's amazingly healthy, really. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
In this natural environment, the bees appear to be thriving. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
This small scale, hands off approach is what the Natural Beekeeping Trust | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
wants to see more of. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Rather than a few people keeping hundreds or thousands of hives, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
we need thousands of people keeping two or three hives, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
taking honey in small quantities, at the same time using honey only | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
for medicinal purposes rather than food. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:20 | |
Do you get people go, "Aw, it's all well and good, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
but it'll never work in practise?" | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
It's almost an idealistic approach. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
It's certainly an idealistic approach, but without idealism | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
there will be no future. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
If we carry on in the rapacious way that we are using | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
in relation to all of nature, there will be no future. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:46 | |
What do bees mean to you? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
What fascination do they hold? | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
You feel that they know you and they are very | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
aware of your intention. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
Yes, I do keep bees for the pleasure of their company. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:59 | |
They are very pure. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
We need to strive to be the same. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:11 | |
Now, don't forget, if you want to get in touch with the show why | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
don't you drop me an e-mail? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Finally, these days we expect what we eat to be safe. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
But with Government cuts hitting the labs which help | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
keep our farms disease-fre, Joe Crowley has been hearing | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
from those who fear our farming industry and, more importantly, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
our health is at risk. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:42 | |
There's money in meat. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
We spend ?18.7 billion on it every year, so it's no surprise that | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
monitoring and stopping the spread of diseases like foot-and-mouth | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
is a top priority. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
The fight to eradicate foot-and-mouth has | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
been going on for over | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
90 years and this place, The Pirbright Institute, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
is right on the front line. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
It's a world-class research facility responsible for developing vaccines | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and trying to control some pretty nasty diseases. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:14 | |
There are countries that are endemic to foot-and-mouth disease along | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
the border of Europe, but what we are starting to see | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
is we see certain strains popping up in places that we don't | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
usually see them. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
At the moment, we're actually developing something that will look | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
like a pregnancy test, where you get a simple | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
line across the little cassette to tell you whether or not | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
a sample is positive or negative | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
and, of course, the quicker that you can identify an outbreak, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
the quicker you can put in certain bio-safety regulations and prevent | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
the outbreak from spreading. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Pirbright may be at the cutting edge, but it has the odd blemish | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
on its safety record. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:53 | |
Pirbright may be at the cutting edge, but it has the odd blemish | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
on its safety record. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
The 2007 foot-and-mouth outbreak, which cost farming ?100 million, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
started when the virus escaped from Pirbright. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
In the last decade, there have been 15 safety breaches here, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
including a ?70,000 fine in 2014 for failings | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
over foot-and-mouth. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
Why is the record here so poor? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
There is always a risk with running facilities like this, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
but by the infrastructure we have here now and the improved procedures | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
and protocols we have in place, I think we've contained that risk | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
to the smallest possible. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
You handle live viruses here, with that there's always | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
going to be a risk. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
Is it worth it? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
It certainly is, with all the diseases that are approaching | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
the borders of Europe. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
We are seeing viruses move like we hadn't | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
seen them move before. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
And so there's a real threat of a number of these viruses coming | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
into Europe and coming into the UK. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
I would say we're between outbreaks, they're not going away. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:55 | |
Recent diseases to reach us in Britain include Bluetongue, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
avian flu and then there's the ongoing Bovine TB epidemic. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
Keith Cutler is a vet based in Salisbury. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
His practice is the only one left in this part of Wiltshire, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
covering more than 2,000 square miles, half of it | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
in TB infected areas. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
In my experience, it's worse than it's ever been. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:24 | |
TB is increasing in prevalence and now we have a significant proportion | 0:22:24 | 0:22:30 | |
of the country endemically infected. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
Wiltshire is now in what's called the high risk area and Hampshire | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
is in the edge area where new cases are cropping up fairly frequently. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:48 | |
Today, Keith is TB testing and checking for pregnancies. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
This dairy farm is constantly producing milk and new calves, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
but recent inconclusive TB results mean they're on lockdown - | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
losing money every single day for farmer Phil Shearing. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:08 | |
I can't sell any calves at the moment, so I've got to either | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
keep them or humanely get them killed. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
There's a lot more disease we're finding we've got to do a lot more | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
vaccinations and DEFRA being cut is going to affect us big time. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
We're sort of being left out on our own and we are dealing | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
with the consequences. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
With the ?220 million animal health budget set to be cut | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
by a third within the next three years, seven regional labs that used | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
to diagnose and identify new diseases have already shut down. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:43 | |
Winchester's gone, so Keith's nearest Government lab is now over | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
100 miles away. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
Diseases tend not to be investigated to the extent | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
that they were when Winchester was open, and it means we don't | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
have the surveillance network for the new and emerging diseases. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
Concerns are that our surveillance system will fail. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
A new or exotic disease will already be established in this country | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
before we find out it's here and it will be difficult then | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
to bring it under control. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:22 | |
Now, when you see good money being bid for fine beasts like this, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
you might think everything's rosy, but actually farmers are struggling. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Profits for the industry overall fell by ?1.5 billion last year, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
mainly due to falling food prices, and that means that farmers | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
are vulnerable to any outbreak in disease, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
indeed it's thought many wouldn't be able to survive it. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
We could have a lot more help, there could be a lot | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
more Government support. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:51 | |
There aren't enough politicians that farm. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
If they farmed, they wouldn't cut. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
It's farmers that are suffering from not having these | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
centres because obviously if they have an animal die | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
on the farm they want to know why it died because they want to know | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
if there's anything wrong with it and should they, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
what action should they take. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:09 | |
And so it's getting harder and harder to get | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
a postmortem done. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:12 | |
And it's worrying for the vets, they're all trying to do their very | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
best to help everybody, but there s not enough of them. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
And that's the knock-on effect of Winchester closing, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
that you don't have this information at your fingertips you don't | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
have a local centre you could have gone to. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
Exactly, we would go, in fact ours would be | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Bury St Edmunds from here, believe it or not. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
We've had two well publicised diseases come into the UK recently, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
bluetongue 2006, Schmallenberg two or three years ago, thank | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
goodness those don t cause problems to humans. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Another very well-known example is something like Zika virus | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
which is catastrophic to humans. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
And that's why it's so important that we pick up | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
on these diseases early. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
The classic example of that, I suppose, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
is mad cow disease or BSE. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
So, back in 1986, vets started noticing and, farmers of course, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
started noticing some strange behaviour in some of their animals | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
and they were able to get a really professional diagnosis from those | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
animals by submitting them to their local surveillance centre. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
From that, a whole new disease was discovered which no-one had | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
really recognised before. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
We never know what's around the corner. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
So we have to have the facilities in place and we need | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
to have the experts in place to deal with that when required. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
There are more than 800 diseases that can pass | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
from animals to humans. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
You're in a deep sleep, aren't you? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Hmm? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
Did you hear that? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
Christine Lord lost her son Andrew 10 years ago to CJD ? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
the human form of BSE. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
To hold your once fit, strong 24-year-old son | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
in your arms and watch him die, it's indescribable and the pain that | 0:26:49 | 0:26:55 | |
I feel today, time doesn t heal. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Food should be safe, it shouldn't kill. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
I lost my son because of an animal disease. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:10 | |
I'm just appalled that no lessons have been learnt, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
but I'm not surprised. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:21 | |
We asked the Government why it's cutting animal health budgets | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
and surveillance centres. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
A spokesperson told us | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
the remaining labs are in areas with the main | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
populations of farmed animals, and that world-class expertise | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
at the central lab means it's well placed to detect | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
new and emerging diseases effectively. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:46 | |
But with around 23,000 farms in the south-east, vet Keith Cutler | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
is worried we are vulnerable to new disease outbreaks. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
All the time there are cuts coming to the surveillance budget | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
and from Government, perhaps, the wrong message is being sent, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
perhaps the message is that it's not important and I think | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
it's vitally important. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
There's a reduction in surveillance. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Is it the start of the end? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
I don't know where it's going, but we're | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
probably not as on the ball as we used to be. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:24 | |
Joe Crowley reporting there. That's just about it for now. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Plenty more stories from the south to come next week. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Till then, bye-bye. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
Details of organisations offering help with mental health are | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
available at bbc.co.uk?actionline. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Or you can call for free at any time to hear recorded | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
information on 08000 564 756. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:49 | |
Hello, I'm Riz Lateef with your 90-second update. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
Overcrowded - the number of patients on wards in England have been | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
at unsafe levels in nine out of ten hospitals this winter. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
That's according to BBC analysis. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
NHS bosses said there were problems discharging frail patients. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 |