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people will see when we announce our proposal is what is going to happen | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
and I am confident the Unionist committee -- community will be happy | :00:36. | :00:43. | |
with the proposals. It was right to reject the stadium so how much more | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
right is it to reject something which is directly related to our | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
history. Unionism divided. As protestors call for a halt to plans | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
for a conflict resolution centre at the Maze, we'll hear from senior | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
unionists with opposing views on the project. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
Stupidity and corruption killed the Keltic Tiger but can hard times | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
rebuild Ireland north and south? The author Fintan O'Toole is live in the | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
studio. And with their views on G8 and the | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Obama roadshow, I'm joined tonight by the commentators Alex Kane and | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
Dearbhail McDonald. And you can, of course, follow the | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
programme on Twitter. That's @BBCtheview. | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
Opponents of a planned conflict resolution centre at the Maze Prison | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
site have been meeting in Lisburn tonight. Critics include the Ulster | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
Unionists, UKIP, the TUV and the Orange Order, which came out against | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
the proposals last week. Now, The View has learned that days before | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
the Order rejected the plan, senior Orangemen met the First Minister for | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
discussions at the site. It was a chance for the DUP to persuade | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
leading figures in the Order, but it appears to have failed. Our | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
political reporter, Stephen Walker, has been examining where that now | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
leaves the Maze/Long Kesh project and its potential impact within | :01:54. | :02:04. | |
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unionism. It is the biggest building project | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
in Northern Ireland and could create 5000 jobs but that is not what is | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
attracting all the political heat. Critics see a planned peace Centre | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
and a preservation of an huge block and a hospital would end up becoming | :02:28. | :02:35. | |
a shrine to paramilitaries. Last week, the Orange Order rejected the | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
development plans describing them as flawed and fundamentally | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
ill-conceived. We understand that earlier this month before the Orange | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
Order made an official announcement, Orangemen came here to the maze and | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
were met by Jeffrey Donaldson and Peter Robinson. They were given a | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
tour of the site. Even if the senior Orangemen were impressed by what | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
they saw it is clear others in the grand Lodge of Ireland took a | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
different approach. Those who went along from more -- our organisation | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
were not persuaded about the merits of this particular project if people | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
are genuine about a peace building and conflict resolution centre then | :03:19. | :03:27. | |
surely the last thing you want to do is to build such a place at a place | :03:27. | :03:35. | |
with it's going to cause sorrow and bitterness. Peter Robinson says the | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
Orange Order did not criticise the project when it was first outlined | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
in 2005. He insists the plans are acceptable. There will be no shrine | :03:45. | :03:53. | |
at the Maze and people will see when we announced our proposals what will | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
happen. I am confident the Unionist community will be constant -- | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
confident with the proposals. The DUP now find themselves at odds with | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
other members of the Unionist family. The DUP leader is being | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
swung round at the table by Sinn Fein on this. They have insisted | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
that nothing goes to the Maze and less the conflict resolution centre | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
goes there. It is the same DUP leader who won the proposition of a | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
much less offensive proposition, that the stadium, was rejected | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
because of its siting on the Maze and because the prison buildings | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
within and because they could become a shrine, if it was right to reject | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
a stadium at the Maze, how much more right is it to reject something | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
which is directly related to our sad history? So what does this division | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
in the Unionist community mean for the DUP? It must feel odd for the | :04:55. | :05:03. | |
DUP not to be on the more orange side of every argument. They will | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
have to calculate whether this will attract more voters. Of course they | :05:08. | :05:18. | |
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have criticised the other Unionist parties. It has the makings of quite | :05:28. | :05:36. | |
a row. A number of victims groups feel the DUP are wrong. This lady | :05:36. | :05:46. | |
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represents RUC widows. It would be glorifying people who took men's | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
lives and that is where the problem lies. It is hard to get middle | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
ground on that. And what would you say to Peter Robinson wants to go | :06:02. | :06:12. | |
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ahead with this? Think again. I think he needs to think again. And | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
listen to some of the grassroots opinion. Both Martin McGuinness and | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
Peter Robinson insist they have listened and believe some critics | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
are scaremongering. Academic Pete Shirlow was involved in discussions | :06:27. | :06:37. | |
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about how the Maze site could be used. From what I know, it is simply | :06:39. | :06:49. | |
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going to be a building. It is actually a place where you can save | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
the security force history and a Unionist history. It is a perfect | :06:55. | :07:03. | |
site on which to do that. In peace time, this site splits opinion. | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
Unionists are divided. Peter Robinson hopes that when the | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
detailed plans are made public at the critics will be satisfied. But | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
until then, many opponents shown no sign of staying quiet. | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
Stephen Walker reporting. The Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt was at | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
tonight's protest and he joins me in the studio, along with the DUP MP | :07:23. | :07:31. | |
Jeffrey Donaldson. Jeffrey Donaldson, it must be very hard for | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
you to sit here and listen to an RUC widows saying your party leader | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
needs to listen to grassroots opinion on the matter and think | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
again. What do you say in reply? are listening. We are meeting with | :07:44. | :07:53. | |
people. We are hearing their concerns. On the board of the Maze | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
Corporation which will oversee this development, there are a number of | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
former RUC officers. Does anyone seriously believe for one moment | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
that those men on blackboard, former RUC officers, are going to create a | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
shrine on the Maze site that would in any way diminish the memory of | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
their dead comrades? That simply is not going to happen. It will not be | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
allowed to happen. You say you are listening but does that mean you | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
will be altering the plans as they currently stand? Nothing is fixed. | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
We are listening very carefully to what people are saying. As Peter has | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
made clear when the final proposals emerge I am satisfied that people | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
will have their concerns eased. will persuade Danna Cochrane and | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
others that you have got it right when she and they think you got it | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
wrong? It will not be a shrine to terrorism. I can guarantee you they | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
will be nothing in the new peace Centre that will glorify terrorism. | :09:05. | :09:13. | |
I put on the uniform to fight the IRA. I had members of my family | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
murdered by the IRA. I am not going to stand over anything that would | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
glorify the actions of the IRA in any sense whatsoever. What is the | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
problem with that Mike Nesbitt? boards of directors and politicians | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
do not decide what will and what will not be a shrine. People decide. | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
You see lamp posts, Gates and other artefacts which have flowers tied to | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
them to commemorate with somebody lost their lives in a road traffic | :09:48. | :09:57. | |
collision. People decide what will be a shrine. But you stand accused | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
of political scaremongering tonight. The information has not been made | :10:02. | :10:11. | |
public yet. These people can make their own minds up and they have. | :10:11. | :10:21. | |
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They don't want the retained prison buildings kept. Why did your party | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
support the listings of those buildings? With all due respect, I | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
still have opposed the listing of those buildings but your party let | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
the prisoners out of the Maze and that was the greatest insult to the | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
victims. Your party supported the retention of those buildings. You | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
and your party have not been consistent in this at all. I thought | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
tonight we might be able to have a debate with some degree of a lack -- | :10:58. | :11:06. | |
intellectual rigour but what we get is the guy with no talent on the | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
football team goes and kicks everyone else. I have been on the | :11:10. | :11:20. | |
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pitch a lot longer than you. I want you to answer the question, how do | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
you respond to the fact that you appeared within your party to be | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
enthusiastic about this and your former chairman David Campbell and | :11:37. | :11:45. | |
now you appear not to be so happy? David Campbell has made it clear, he | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
chaired a committee to represent -- representative but not as a | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
representative of the Ulster Unionists party. First of all there | :11:59. | :12:09. | |
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was no representation they David Campbell as an Ulster Unionists. He | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
was employed as a special adviser. He is very clear that this was the | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
first time the four parties of government got together to discuss | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
an issue like this and it was agreed at the beginning they would be no | :12:26. | :12:36. | |
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sensitivity. It was... So your party has been very consistent. What you | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
had agreed by David Campbell's chairmanship was a comp resides | :12:42. | :12:52. | |
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permission. -- compromised position. You are quoted in the Guardian in | :12:53. | :13:01. | |
two 2004 saying the victims of the terrorists will not visit the site. | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
You remain supportive of delisting the buildings and so they can be | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
removed but the fact is, your scheme has them as a central part of the | :13:11. | :13:21. | |
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development. Let's not misrepresent the position. In 2004 I wrote this | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
letter opposing the listing of the building. But they are listed.And I | :13:28. | :13:38. | |
continue to oppose that. I continue to oppose that. The difference is | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
this. And though the UUP control the proposal was to put the peace centre | :13:44. | :13:54. | |
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into the prison buildings, into the prison hospital. We have to move | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
forward. The reality now is that we have this plan which we understand | :14:07. | :14:15. | |
is about to be published. You were at this meeting in Lisburn tonight. | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
Tell us what people were saying they're about the proposals and why | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
they are opposed to them despite the fact the DUP supports them? There | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
are two issues. Everybody at that meeting would like to see the end of | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
the prison buildings. In terms of the new building, some people don't | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
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want it at all. I don't share that view. It is the most divisive piece | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
of land in Northern Ireland. We need to have a debate on whether we need | :15:07. | :15:17. | |
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the centre and only then should we decide on the venue. Are you at the | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
point where you may consider relocating the conflict centre to | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
another place? Well, first of all, the centre isn't going to be in the | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
maintained buildings. It is on the site but so is the Royal | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
agricultural Society. You're not comparing like with like. We face | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
two choices here. We can either develop this site, including the | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
peace centre, and move it forward and create the opportunity of | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of investment... I'm sorry, | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
Mike. You have just declared this the most controversial site in | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
Northern Ireland. For a peace centre. Well, your party supported | :16:03. | :16:11. | |
the peace centre. We've moved on from that. Mike is trying to deny | :16:11. | :16:18. | |
it. My party has never supported that concept. We have made clear... | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
The peace centre should not be in the retained building and that will | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
be the case. But Mike Nesbitt's point and the point others have made | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
in the coalition who oppose the present plan is that it be moved | :16:29. | :16:37. | |
somewhere else entirely - off the place-macro site entirely. -- the | :16:37. | :16:45. | |
The Maze site entirely. That is to suggest that my area is a no go | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
area. As far as I'm concerned, my area is an area where they should | :16:50. | :16:58. | |
be. The maze site is an area where I want people to invest. I'm delighted | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
that the largest ever turnout of people at the Balmoral show was this | :17:00. | :17:09. | |
year. That proves people do not regard place-macro as untouchable. | :17:09. | :17:19. | |
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-- The Maze. We have taken the peace centre out of the retained building. | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
Mike should answer this question. Why did he not object to the | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
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planning application for the peace centre The Maze site our only | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
objection is to placing that building there. Jeffrey has to | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
answer a question. When I look at the D U P now I said to myself... | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
very quick. The innocent victims don't want it there, the George | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
Cross don't want it there, the Orange Order don't want it there. | :17:59. | :18:09. | |
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For whose benefit are the D U P campaigning to have in their? | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
is a coalition opposed to having it on that site. What are you going to | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
do about that? I'm an Orangeman, Mike isn't. My family have suffered | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
during the troubles. I wore the uniform of the Crown in the Ulster | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
defence Regiment. To say that all of these people oppose the peace centre | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
is wrong. I meet many victims and many who served in the security | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
forces, some of them in the Orange Hall tonight. I meet people in my | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
constituency and beyond who support the peace centre and want to see | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
Northern Ireland moving on. When will we see final details | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
published? Within weeks and when it does I believe people will see very, | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
very clearly indeed that the scaremongering of Mike Nesbitt and | :18:59. | :19:09. | |
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others has been false. I'm sorry, we're out of time, folks. We're | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
continuing to consult people across Northern Ireland and will do so | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
until the final decisions are made. We look forward to seeing the | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
publication of the plans within weeks as Jeffrey Donaldson has | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
assured us and we will reconvene and discussed again. Thank you both. | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
Banking and its role in the current financial crisis is dominating the | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
headlines again as the Chancellor raised the possibility of Ulster | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
Bank's assets in sold off from RBS. But has the culture which some say | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
precipitated the crash changed? I'll be putting a question to a man who | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
chronicled the Republic's economic crash but here's our political | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
editor Jim Fitzpatrick. We live in a capitalist world ruled | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
by the basic principles that we all understand - risk and reward. You | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
take a risk and you get a reward - with profits if you're successful. | :19:58. | :20:05. | |
The level of the rewards depends on the level of the risk that you take. | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
But if you get things wrong, you shoulder the burden of that risk and | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
take the losses. However, the great financial crisis of the last decade | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
has turned that principle on its head - and nowhere more so than in | :20:17. | :20:24. | |
Ireland. Here, the banks took enormous risk in pursuit of enormous | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
rewards. They borrowed billions internationally and flooded this | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
small economy, north and south, with cheap money. But when their lenders | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
got worried and stopped funding them, the banks went bust. Under the | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
normal rules of capitalism, that's where the story should end. The | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
banks go bust, their lenders lose the money, small depositors are | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
protected and new banks move in to fill the gap. But governments took a | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
different view and judge the banks too big to fail, too vital to the | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
economy, so they bailed them out with billions borrowed from | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
taxpayers. Those extra billions for the tanks forced governments to make | :21:05. | :21:12. | |
massive cut in public spending - austerity - particularly in the | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
Republic, where the government itself went bust bailing out the | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
bankrupt banks. And of course it turned out that the banks had never | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
risked any of their own money, just hours. That's not capitalism. What | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
is it? It's one of the biggest questions of our time. | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
So who bears responsibility for what went wrong? I'm joined by the | :21:32. | :21:41. | |
assistant editor of the Irish Independent, Fintan O'Toole. Who do | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
you think bears responsibility? The politicians, bankers or the public? | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
It was a triangle of doom. You have the bankers who bear primary | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
responsibility because the boards of the banks were utterly reckless, | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
utterly stupid and had no sense of social responsibility. In both of | :22:01. | :22:08. | |
these islands - this is not simply a Republic problem - regulation which | :22:08. | :22:17. | |
was ideological driven, as part of neoliberalism, and I suppose you | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
could say that the public in terms of the democratic systems failed to | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
get any continuity. We haven't had an enquiry in the Republic into what | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
happened. We hear about good bank-bad bank. Some people like that | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
but others think it's unhelpful. Ulster Bank may now be cut adrift | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
from the RBS. Is that worth considering or will that spell | :22:42. | :22:50. | |
further disaster? I think it's worth considering only if it accompanied | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
by a very clear plan as to how Ulster Bank is going to play the | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
role the banks are supposed to play in society, if it has genuine | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
sources of capital for businesses, for individuals. One of the big | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
problems with the way the bank rescue has been put forward, and | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
there has been no consideration about which of the banks we actually | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
need and which are parasitic and toxic. Because these activities | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
became so mixed up, we haven't had any kind of systematic examination | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
of what we think the social role of banks should be. The reality still | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
is that banks were too big to fail and too big to exist. If they can't | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
fail, they shouldn't exist and therefore the banking system really | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
needs to be broken up into much more manageable bits. We had the news | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
yesterday that NAMA pumped �15 million into two unfinished office | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
development in Belfast. That was to get them finished so they could be | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
let and that would create jobs and generate some sort of income for | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
those who own them. Is that what we need to see more of? We need to see | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
NAMA playing a very active role. It is the largest single property | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
portfolio in the world, which is astonishing. It's on the grotesque | :24:08. | :24:16. | |
scale. On the island of Ireland, a very small place, that has enormous | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
economic consequences for everybody. It's owned by a rather | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
opaque organisation. NAMA was said of the most extraordinary | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
circumstances. Its entire existence was shrouded in a lot of mystery and | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
we really still don't quite understand what kinds of processes | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
go on in NAMA. There's not enough transparency in terms of the way | :24:38. | :24:45. | |
this organisation operates. Do you think that what has happened has led | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
to fundamental changes in people 's attitudes in the Republic? Less of a | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
self-centred, profiteering consumerist worldview that some | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
people say is what existed eight or nine years ago? Has it gone | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
temporarily or has it gone permanently? I think it's gone in | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
the general public to a large extent. I don't think it's gone with | :25:08. | :25:15. | |
the institutions. We know from history that culture is only really | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
change when people pay a price for the terrible things they do. It's | :25:17. | :25:24. | |
not just an Irish problem. Bankers have not paid much of a price. The | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
institutions have been restored. The southern government has put 100 | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
billion euros into the banking system and the banks are still not | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
lending. They're still not behaving in any kind of fundamentally | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
different way. If you look at the city of London, the same bonus | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
system is back. We've seen spectacular collapses as far as | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
business empires are concerned. Will we see more of that? Yes, there's a | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
lot more of this to go and there's still a lot of toxic stuff to get | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
out of the banking system. We haven't even begun to deal with the | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
mortgage question yet so I'm afraid this banking crisis has quite a long | :26:02. | :26:09. | |
way to go. Thank you for coming to join us. Plenty to talk what our | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
commentators about. New to the view is Derbhail McDonald from the Irish | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
Independent and our stall what Alex Kane, who is with me now and just | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
alter the carpet to make sure I would trip up! -- style wart. Let's | :26:27. | :26:34. | |
talk about Maze and the failure to agree on the part of those two | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
members of the families. These two guys sit on the same Unionist | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
forum, a body created to bring them all together in one big happy | :26:43. | :26:53. | |
family. Tonight in Lisbon, Jim Allister was rubbishing the UUP. If | :26:53. | :27:01. | |
the DQ PR rubbishing the UUP and they talk about... It was car crash. | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
You're from the north you live and work in Dublin. What did you make of | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
it? I'm from the north and the Catholic tradition and this is very | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
much a dispute within unionism. I agree that Maze is one of the most | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
divisive sites but within that, there is great capacity to transform | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
it. We can't airbrush it out of history. I don't think demolition of | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
that site would serve either side of the divide well and being mindful of | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
the sensitivities... Jim Allister talked about the sensitivity and the | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
sad history that we have. We need to process that history and do it in a | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
way that doesn't glorify terrorism, doesn't become... I'm from the | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
Catholic edition but I think there is huge capacity to transform | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
history. In one sense, the maize is a monument of terror but I think it | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
would be a good place to go back and remind everyone that this is why we | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
shouldn't go back again. -- the Maze. Your moment of the week? | :28:06. | :28:14. | |
Obama speech, which I think was astonishing. I prefer to hear a | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
speech rather than just see it. Let's have a reminder of what he had | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
to say. You must remind us of the existence of peace, the possibility | :28:23. | :28:31. | |
of peace. You have to remind us of hope again and again and again. | :28:31. | :28:41. | |
:28:41. | :28:41. | ||
thing about the Obama speech is that I it was particularly well do that | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
but -- delivered but it was brilliantly written. It goes back to | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
how we rewrite our history and understand our history. He was | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
talking about himself in Chicago, a segregated city when he grew up. He | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
said talking about who you wanted your children to play with and what | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
schools, it would be our decision. It was an attack on the | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
politicians. He said it was over to us in the hall. I wonder how many | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
will rise to the challenge. A lot of people felt it was better | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
constructive than delivered. staying with the Obama 's. I thought | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
it was a good speech from Barack Obama but I thought that Michelle | :29:20. | :29:27. | |
kicked his but in terms of speeches. I was at the Riverdance on Monday | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
and it was superb. But it was very much about Michelle Obama coming | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
into her own and despite the American media saying they thought | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
her daughters didn't enjoy it, they had a ball. I think they had a good | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
time. They looked a little bit bored. I saw them enjoying it. I | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
think they had midges flying around their head. It must be tough being | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
the first kids! They just didn't look too happy. They're teenage | :29:57. | :30:03. | |
girls. They're board. They were dragged halfway around the world to | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
watch their parents give a speech and the next was Germany. It would | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
be terrible! They saw little is for the first time. I'm sure it was a | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
highlight. -- they saw nettles. My Tweet of the week was just after the | :30:17. | :30:26. | |
Lough Erne declaration. " is that it? Companies should pay tax and | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
nobody should pay ransom strip pirates. Have we been transported to | :30:30. | :30:40. | |
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1700 and back request my Tweet was a photograph. It was the cutest and | :30:42. | :30:52. | |
:30:52. | :30:57. | ||
G8s. I'm looking ahead, but not looking forward, to the abortion | :30:57. | :31:04. | |
legislation which kicked off today. We're convulsing ourselves in the | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
Republic over that legislation but it ties in with what is happening or | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
not here. It will be John McAllister and his opposition bill next week. | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
It is vital they get this through because then they can prove they are | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
worth something. If not, it's going to be difficult for them at the next | :31:23. | :31:30. |