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edition of The View live from the UK Foyle flowing behind me, the Peace | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
Bridge opening up new parts of the city and the refurbished Guildhall | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
recently reopened. Londonderry has never looked better. And with the | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
city half-way through its year as UK City of Culture, we'll hear from the | :00:37. | :00:44. | |
Deputy First Minister who was born and bred here. We'll also be asking | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
if Derry's year in the spotlight is making a difference right down to | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
community level? A good buzz, a good sense of occasion and things | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
happening. Celebratory. And I think that impacts across the city, | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
including the waterside. I'll be getting an assessment of the first | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
six months and asking what the legacy of the project is likely to | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
be. Plus, the reflections of our commentators, Bogside boy Paul | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
McFadden and Banbridge blow-in, Deirdre Heenan. And you can, of | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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course, follow the programme on Twitter. That's @BBCtheview. | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Welcome to the heart of the city of Derry, a place that's very much in | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
the spotlight this year as the first UK City of Culture. As the project | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
reaches its half-way point, we thought we would take The View out | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
on the road to get a sense of the mood in the city. Later we'll hear a | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
range of views on the impact City of Culture has had so far, but first | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
let's hear from one man who knows this city as well as anybody. The | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, was brought up less than | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
a mile from where we are tonight and he's with me now. Good evening to | :01:57. | :02:07. | |
you. Welcome home, Mark.The place is looking very well. What are your | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
thoughts on the City of Culture so far? I think it has been a | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
spectacular six months. My thoughts go back to being part of the | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
delegation that went to Liverpool to make the case for this and try to | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
seize this wonderful opportunity which really came about because this | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
city united in a way like we have never seen before. All of the | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
political parties, the churches, the community and voluntary sector, | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
everybody recognised this was a golden opportunity to move this city | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
forward and I think that we have been vindicated in the efficient | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
that we have made. Do you have a personal highlight so far? There are | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
so many highlights. I think that the Clipper Race last year was a real | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
highlight. It wasn't part of the City of Culture, but it was a taste | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
of what was to come. We have seen this year with the Sons and | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
Daughters Concert which was a huge success, the BBC Radio 1 Big | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
Weekend. I have talked about that a couple of times over the last couple | :03:08. | :03:18. | |
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of weeks. We had a situation where 40,000 and 50,000 of our young | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
people of all religions came together and had a spectacular | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
weekend together and when I think of that and I think of Hannah Nelson | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
standing up in the Waterfront Hall making it clear to the world that | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
they wanted not to be part of a divisive society, but a united | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
society moving forward. challenge, I think, for the | :03:36. | :03:44. | |
organisers in this has been two-fold, hasn't it? One to make the | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
people of this city feel good about themselves and to enjoy a | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
celebration, but also to try to reflect some of that positive life | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
in the city to people from outside it and that's not always been an | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
easy thing to pull off. I know we're only half-way through, but is that | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
challenge being met? Well, I think it is being met. People in the city | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
do feel good about themselves. People loved the return although | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
Colmkil. The marathon was run in the city. We had the Down Chorus and we | :04:11. | :04:21. | |
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had a full day of music throughout the city. There is real | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
participation and a real feeling of inclusiveness that this City of | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
Culture reached out into parts of the community who were never part of | :04:34. | :04:44. | |
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anything in the past. There are some voices we've heard, but they are | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
there and they need to be addressed. Those people who feel their part of | :04:50. | :04:58. | |
the City of Culture has been airbrushed out. For them, they don't | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
see "UK" perhaps as prominently as it should be from their point of | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
view do you understand that concern? Well, I can understand that | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
sometimes people pick on points they want to highlight and the balance | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
that has been struck has been the correct balance. Because I think | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
there has been a real effort made by the Culture Company, by everybody. | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
In August, we will see for the first time an event come to this city. | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Between 300,000 and 400,000 people will come here. There will be | :05:25. | :05:34. | |
unionists participating in that. There are efforts to ensure there is | :05:34. | :05:41. | |
pipe bands from the Unionist tradition participating. In the | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
context of where we have come from, the fact that we have joined | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
together in a very positive way, there is a strong view that it has | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
been very, very inclusive, but there will always be a certain tiny | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
unrepresentative minority who will try to make out that it isn't. | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
do you say to those people who are concerned about whether or not it | :05:59. | :06:07. | |
represents good value for money? There is a lot of public money going | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
into the past six months and the next six months. Are you satisfied | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
that the decision to put so much public money into the event will be | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
vindicated? Absolutely. We have put about �30 million into it. It is a | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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lot of money. But it is money well spent. Over �12 million was into the | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
City of Culture directly and the rest goes into ensuring that the | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
infrastructure was there. I mean, if you were to ask me what was one of | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
the most important things that happened, it is this Peace Bridge. | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
The river is seen not as a divisive thing in the city, it is seen as a | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
resource that we can use and we saw that with the Clipper boats. We saw | :06:48. | :06:57. | |
that with the return of Colmkil. This is the new iconic image of a | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
city and of people looking to the future, but it brought a massive | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
psychological change to the people of this city who recognise that our | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
futures are so intertwined that divided we are weak, but united we | :07:06. | :07:16. | |
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are very strong. Just to move on specifically from the City of | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
Culture debate, you have said that you think this city should be a | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
model for a way forward in the number of different ways, but not | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
least on the marching issue and we are in the teeth of the marching | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
season and this city has been seen as a model for dealing with the | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
controversial issues in the past with accommodations made with the | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
apprentice Boys. Do you think it is still a model for the future? | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
ten years I was part of a group of people in the city that was | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
encouraging local residents groups. The Apprentice Boys, the community | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
and voluntary sector recognised the importance of trying to resolve the | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
contentious issue of marching in the city and it took a couple of years | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
to do it, but for the last eight years, we have been trouble free. | :08:08. | :08:15. | |
What was the secret? It was the willingness of the local residents | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
group and the Apprentice Boys to sit down together, respecting each other | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
and working out solutions. If that can happen here, it can happen | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
anywhere. The last time you appeared on this programme talking to me | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
which was before Christmas time and you said you had private meetings | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
with senior members of the Orange Order. Have you met those | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
individuals again? Well, I have sent out feelers for more discussions. I | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
would like to talk to the Grand Lodge of Ireland. I wrote to them a | :08:41. | :08:50. | |
number of months. I haven't even received a reply, but we need to | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
encourage people to recognise that the solutions that can be found are | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
mutely beneficial for everybody, for the marching orders, for the local | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
communities. What people need to do is sit down in a room together and | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
work out solutions. Once people get into a room, all sorts of things can | :09:05. | :09:14. | |
happen. You said you made real progress, it wasn't a formal meeting | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
with the Orange Order, it wasn't an official meeting, but the | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
individuals in the room were significant individuals. You must be | :09:24. | :09:32. | |
disappointed they haven't met you since then? We have had from the | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
Orange Order a statement making it clear that they don't have any | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
difficulty with local lodges engaging with local communities. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
What we need to see are the local lodges recognising the importance of | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
doing that and I welcome very much the statement made by Jonathan Bell | :09:44. | :09:51. | |
representing the DUP. He said he believed that the Orange Order | :09:51. | :10:01. | |
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should be speaking to local residents groups. It is interesting | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
that you should say that because here is another thing that the | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
Orange Order aren't happy about and that's the development on the | :10:10. | :10:20. | |
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Maze/Long Kesh site. They are not willing to support it. How big a | :10:23. | :10:32. | |
knock back is that? The peace conflict and resolution centre will | :10:32. | :10:40. | |
be built and the work will start on it in the autumn of this year. Peter | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Robinson and I had an interesting conversation with the architect who | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
designed the new World Trade Center in New York. And he is part of this | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
project for the Peace Building Centre. He said something I thought | :10:49. | :10:59. | |
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very, very powerful. And that was this week? A few days ago. He was in | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
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Belfast and we met with him him. He told us about the time he designed | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
the new Jewish museum in Berlin and there was massive opposition to that | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
project, but it went ahead and once people saw the building, and this | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
was a building that after it was constructed had nothing in it for | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
months, they came in their millions to see it. And I think the same | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
thing will happen here. What do I take encouragement from? I pay | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
tribute to the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society. Their show | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
this year, the Balmoral Show was a huge success with a 20% increase | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
with the numbers attending and that was from the farming community. | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
RUAS isn't controversial... People came because they recognised this | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
was very, very important and this is a site which if utilised will | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
provide employment for over 5,000 people. So that will happen and it | :12:06. | :12:15. | |
will be a success? It will happen and it will be a success. Let me ask | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
you one thing before we move on and move back to the debate about the | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
City of Culture with my other guests. Gerry Kelly's actions. Some | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
people suggested that his involvement in that incident with a | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
PSNI Land Rover didn't help calm the mood ahead of this year's marching | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
season. Was he not ill-advised to stand in front of the police Land | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
Rover in the way he did? For years Gerry Kelly has stood in north | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
Belfast very courageously and taken a lot of abuse from dissident | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
elements and Gerry Kelly has done everything to keep north Belfast | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
calm and he was doing the same on that occasion. It is easy for people | :12:48. | :12:58. | |
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to criticise when they are not there. When they are not there at | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
the heat of the moment when something happens and there is a | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
real prospect that things are going to get out of control. Well, Peter | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
Robinson said he was reckless. people are entitled to have their | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
opinions, but I admire the work Gerry Kelly has done in the past. | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
Gerry Kelly understands what is required to resolve the situation in | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
regard to parades in Belfast. wonder if you were there standing | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
there would you have said "Gerry, stand out of the way and let the | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
Land Rover past." I don't think we can say sitting in a studio and not | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
being there that we have done things differently from how Gerry Kelly did | :13:36. | :13:46. | |
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it. Everybody has to reflect on how they handled different situations, | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
but during the course of that situation and I heard and it was | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
broadcast a senior policeman saying to Gerry Kelly and we heard it, "I | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
know you are trying to calm the situation." That's what counts. | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
is good to have you on the programme. Thank you very much | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
indeed for joining us. The Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness. | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
Let's return to the City of Culture debate. We know it's been billed as | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
one long party, but does everyone feel invited? Has the celebration | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
been enjoyed equally by Derry's poorer, more marginalised | :14:16. | :14:26. | |
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communities? We sent Gareth Gordon In the home of the Undertones, | :14:51. | :15:01. | |
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teenagers have been getting their kicks all year. It is the biggest | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
party the city has ever seen. been very good. Very entertaining. | :15:05. | :15:15. | |
What has it done for the city? is a lot of people about. | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
looking forward to walking and seeing the events. But the City of | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
Culture is not all about big show case events and pageantry, through | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
this door behind me is a project which brings the City of Culture | :15:24. | :15:34. | |
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right down to community level. For the past three weeks in the hall on | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
Derry's walls there has been the Big Weave. More than 4,000 people have | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
been to watch and take part. idea of it is we are make making | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
tapestries, but tourists so we have had thousands of people up really | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
weaving tapestries together and leaving a legacy behind for the | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
city. So we're doing seven tapestries, we're keeping one and | :15:59. | :16:09. | |
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giving six away. It is cross community. It is inclusive and | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
everybody is able to participate. One of those who has been to see the | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
Big Weave is the editor of the Derry Journal. There was an effort to | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
involve people from both sides of the community and maybe marginal | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
areas and you see that in efforts like the music where kids across the | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
city are getting a chance to dip their toes in the musical water and | :16:30. | :16:40. | |
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this is known as musical city. You see it in initiatives like Music | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
City where you had musicians young and old. And all free so you are not | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
having a barrier in terms of financial payment and the bigger | :16:51. | :17:01. | |
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events, prices were reasonable. is the Cregan. Reminders of the | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
city's troubled past aren't hard to find. It has been a base for | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
dissident republicans, but this teenager believes the City of | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
Culture helped bring about change. It happened at the right time well | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
all the Republican stuff like that happening in the city. So it brings | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
everybody together and it takes everybody away from the terrorism | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
and stuff that's happening in the city. The project director has no | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
doubt that areas like this have reaped the rewards. There has been a | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
really good feel about it. A good buzz. A good sense of things | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
happening and it was celebratory and it impacts across the city including | :17:35. | :17:45. | |
areas like this. So people do feel included in that. Has it brought the | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
city closer together, do you think? Well, it is hard to make a | :17:48. | :17:57. | |
judgement. I don't know if that's the intention, to be some kind of | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
reconciliation device, but there is a very good feel-good factor within | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
the city. In this nationalist city, not everyone appreciates the title | :18:03. | :18:13. | |
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UK City of culture. In the mainly Protestant village of Newbuildings | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
on the outskirts of Londonderry, that caused problems. People saw it | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
as depressing because it is the brand name and it was like here is a | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
section of the community who claim to be from the UK like ourselves in | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
New Buildings and we are getting like that taking a off the actual | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
brand name title. It seemed like skullduggery to a lot of people. | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
hasn't stopped people taking part? It hasn't because there is so many | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
different events. This Protestant community worker agrees the City of | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
Culture helped bring communities together, but says that was | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
happening already. If the City of Culture had been something that had | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
come out maybe five, seven, ten years ago I think there are good | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
reasons why maybe the unionist community may not have engaged as | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
powerful or as strong as they are now, but a lot happened in the city | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
in the last five years, a lot of good work and there is a lot of | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
confidence that has been created within the unionist community by | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
good quality community development work that's gone on. A big test will | :19:17. | :19:27. | |
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come in August, a month which once saw tension in the Derry air. | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
year, the annual Apprentice Boys Festival will be followed by the All | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
Ireland flaeh, unthinkable in the past, but that was before the City | :19:42. | :19:52. | |
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of Culture came to town. Gareth Gordon reporting. So six | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
months in, has winning the City of Culture title transformed Derry in | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
the way the bid document predicted, "creating a catalytic impact for the | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
people of the city and the economy"? Lots to discuss with our panel: | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
Community worker, Jeanette Warke. Denis Bradley, the former vice-chair | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
of the Policing Board. Philip Gilliland from the Chamber of | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
Commerce and the Chief Executive of the Culture Company, Shona McCarthy. | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
You heard what the Deputy First Minister had to say. He is a big | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
supporter. There has been criticism, do you think you turned a corner in | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
the past month maybe? I think we're six months in, we have still six | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
months to go, Mark, but for me, it is surpassing all expectation, but I | :20:35. | :20:45. | |
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would say that, wouldn't I? would. I think we're doing well. I | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
think we're doing very well and we have another six months to address | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
any of the things that aren't quite working out, but in business terms, | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
the business community have risen to the challenge and are reporting back | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
success stories and in terms of visitor numbers, we are even the | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
month of May and the month of June has the biggest hotel occupancy ever | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
in the history of the city. But more important for me is the social | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
impact. It is not perfect yet, but the level of participation in the | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
city is particularly over the last couple of months has increased | :21:13. | :21:23. | |
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phenomenally. Is there much you would disagree within what Shona | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
says? No, I'm retired and I get a good bit of it and I'm like the cat | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
who got the cream. This is a wonderful place to be. I'm delighted | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
with everything that happened. I think the community has engaged with | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
this in a way I didn't think would be as good. Last Friday, for | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
example, the whole music thing was one of the most joyful days I lived | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
in this city and I have been here a long time. I haven't lost my | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
critique, my objectivity... I was worried for a moment. Some things | :21:56. | :22:06. | |
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don't just work. But that's true of all art and true of all creative | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
enterprises and there are some things I liked better than other | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
things. I'm hoping yet, I haven't given up, but the bid was won or two | :22:16. | :22:26. | |
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things, the artistic side and the other thing was purposeful inquiry. | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
A horrible phrase but it was in the book. And the debate about whom we | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
are and what culture is and about the big issues like economy, about | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
education, about university or lack of, about all those massive issues | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
about how we live as a society, where we live, haven't been engaged | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
with and I think that's been a little bit disappointing because I | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
do think that we're talkative people. We have a lot to say and | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
culture gives us a place where we can have difficult debates. Even the | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
issue that you talked about with Martin McGuinness about parading. | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
How did we get to the place that we got to? All those things, a | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
purposeful inquiry and that should be concentrated on more in the next | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
six months. OK, we will get Shona's reaction to that in a moment. Maybe | :23:04. | :23:13. | |
not enough purposeful inquiry, do you agree? Yes, I feel it would be | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
very negative if we didn't agree the way the city is looking and so | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
forth, but obviously, there is a lot of work to be done to be done within | :23:21. | :23:30. | |
:23:31. | :23:37. | ||
the working class community I work in. Which is The Fountain? Yes.Some | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
would feel the venues aren't neutral, but the concert venue has | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
proved a success and the Peace Bridge. The bridge has proved to be | :23:45. | :23:55. | |
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fantastic. That is open the city offer us. -- opened the city offer | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
us. So at the minute, you would be more of a thumbs-up than a thumbs | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
down? Of course, yes.You have some reservations? Yes, but thumbs-up at | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
the moment. Speaking on behalf of the business community, Shona said | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
the business community has risen to the challenge. You are keen on the | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
connection with young people? need to think about generation gap | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
and positively so because one of the things we're seeing is there is a | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
great flip for businesses. We have counted about, you know, 40 new | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
businesses in the city centre in retail and hospitality. So business | :24:33. | :24:42. | |
start-ups? Business start-ups. More importantly, we see a big growth in | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
new digital companies which are typically founded by people under | :24:44. | :24:53. | |
the age of 35 who see Derry as a go to destination. They are mobile | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
people and they see Derry as a go to destination because it is | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
interesting and they want to start their businesses here and that's | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
really interesting. It is no coincidence that people under the | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
age of 35 aren't as badly prolgd ly programmed as when we grew upment | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
There is a danger we are feeling good and it has been wonderful, but | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
when this goes away, we are left with the same economy and sometimes | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
people in Belfast accuse us of being really, really always complaining. | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
-- badly programmed. There is a danger that we are feeling so good | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
around this, and it really is wonderful, but when this goes away | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
we are left with the same economy. Some of the people in Belfast | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
accused of horse -- accuse us of always complaining. It is not true. | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
The economy in Derry is really, really poor. You would be concerned | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
if this hadn't happened, where with would you be? We have raised our | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
expectations. We've raised our well-being and our confidence, but | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
there is a danger that unless we follow this through and really work | :25:42. | :25:52. | |
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at this... I couldn't agree more. I mean, the City of Culture, if it is | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
just one big party and it stops, that's not a success, but I can tell | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
already that it is not that because what we have seen is that we have | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
seen the numbers of younger people who are choosing to live here | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
instead of going o away or choosing to come here who have never been | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
here before to start their businesses and to study and live and | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
that's a fantastic beginning of a legacy. The City of Culture is not a | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
thing in itself, it is a catalyst along the way. It is one step along | :26:20. | :26:30. | |
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the way. Shona? I couldn't agree more. The idea that this was going | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
to be the and to society's bills would have been a crazy notion. If | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
you look at the team we put together to deliver this, the level of | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
cultural leadership, the development of capacity within the city cannot | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
be overestimated. It is a platform and a possiblity for what comes | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
next, but we have got a lot of work to do and the focus for all of us | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
now is on the legacy. Derry did an amazing thing during the Troubles. | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
It dissipated because we didn't follow through. It was more | :27:00. | :27:08. | |
difficult. Politically, we weren't in the same place a and if we don't | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
follow this one through, we have only ourselves to blame. I'm curious | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
to know what you think, Jeanette. How do you think they could benefit | :27:16. | :27:23. | |
economically from this? The young people in your community. If they | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
were sitting here in 12 months time. What would you be saying, do you | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
think? Well, we talk about the shared city and we talked about the | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
shared future document and I would be concerned that young people from | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
my community, there is a lack of employment for them, but as well as | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
that, the city centre is not safe for them and here we are in a small | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
community on the West Bank of the city and they are not safe to go | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
into their local shopping centre. Are they really not safe, or do they | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
think they are not safe? No, no, last week we had two attacks. They | :27:53. | :28:02. | |
have to go out in groups of six. I don't see that. I know it is City of | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
Culture and all that, but that worries me and here we have young | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
people who don't feel safe in their city centre. City of Culture is not | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
a panacea and it is not up to you to be make making the streets a safer | :28:17. | :28:24. | |
place, but what do you say in response to that? That's not the | :28:24. | :28:32. | |
message you want coming out? course, not, what I would say, one | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
of the things I'm proud of is when we put the programme together, we | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
tested it across the political spectrum and the view that came back | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
this is one of the most inclusive documents produced from the city and | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
I was proud of that. The work that maybe some people aren't seeing and | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
it is less told about is the work going on in schools and community | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
groups. I was at a launch last week and it was led by Mary Kerrigan. | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
Computers have gone into the Fountain and Long Tower primary | :28:55. | :29:05. | |
:29:05. | :29:07. | ||
schools. It may not all happen tomorrow, but there is work that's | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
being done that is bedding in new approaches to learning to the | :29:10. | :29:17. | |
creative industries that are going to stand this city in great stead. | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
think it is wonderful what's happening in the schools too. | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
proud of the young people that I work with and I really want that to | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
get out there. They are not a wingeing society because we have | :29:28. | :29:36. | |
been so involved. Our young people have taken part in the music in the | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
Long Tower Youth Club and we have our own samba band and our African | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
drummers who are out there at every opportunity. I'm really proud | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
because here they are and they are saying, " Right, we want to be part | :29:48. | :29:58. | |
:29:58. | :29:59. | ||
of this. We want to be part of our city." How do we broaden the debate | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
to involve people from outside the city? We talked about people in the | :30:02. | :30:12. | |
city feeling better about themselves and understanding each other better. | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
I'm surprised at the number of people who are interested in arts | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
and culture and interested in purposeful inquiry who haven't been | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
here in the past six months, does that surprise you too? See those | :30:21. | :30:29. | |
Belfast ones! I agree with that! People always joke that the distance | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
between Derry and Belfast is a lot shorter and there is a serious point | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
in that! I would encourage them, get up for the next six months of the | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
year, not because of City of Culture, look at this city, it is | :30:42. | :30:52. | |
:30:52. | :31:03. | ||
transformed. People should come and witness a city that is in transition | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
and in a much more tangible and physical way than you would see in | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
Belfast. We are almost leap frog frogging. You only have to look at | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
what this evening was published in the Economist about Derry and about | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
what The Observer is saying and the New York Times is saying. We almost | :31:16. | :31:23. | |
have to go for external validation first. I was walking across the | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
Peace Bridge and there were people from Germany, America and Dublin, | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
not enough Belfast accents. We need to get more of them here. What do | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
you do about that? It is astonishing the number of people from Belfast | :31:35. | :31:45. | |
who have not been here before. When they come, they will come again. | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
is a big challenge. It will be less of a challenge in the next six | :31:48. | :31:56. | |
months. I think doing anything for the first time is always a difficult | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
thing. And getting the message out and even a new brand like that that | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
hasn't existed before, it is not easy. Tell them all they will get | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
�100 when they come to Derry so they will all come then! I'm not sure she | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
would be allowed to do that! Denis, what do you hope the legacy will be? | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
The beauty of this city being shown to the world which I think is really | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
happening and the fact that when you are a marginalised, on the margin | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
city that you can be something that's very important in its | :32:25. | :32:33. | |
contribution, and that's beginning to happen in the city. We need to | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
leave this part of the conversation. You have made yourself a hostage to | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
fortune on that. Thanks to Shona McCarthy, Denis Bradley, Jeanette | :32:45. | :32:53. | |
Warke and Philip Gilliland thanks very much indeed. From what we've | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
been hearing tonight so far, and judging by the reaction on Twitter, | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
it's pretty clear that everyone in Derry is fully aware that it's the | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
first ever UK City of Culture. But beyond the city walls, do people | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
know? Have they been to visit? Are they planning to come? We've been in | :33:06. | :33:16. | |
:33:16. | :33:18. | ||
Dublin and Ballymena to find out. heard about it when I was in London | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
and it is in Derry/Londonderry this year. I wouldn't go over the top to | :33:23. | :33:30. | |
go to Derry. I'm happy that the natives up there enjoy themselves. | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
will go up for the music and the street festival and Derry is a | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
fabulous city as well. It is really, really nice. There is great people | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
up there. There is something in my mind that tells me, yes, I think it | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
was Derry or Londonderry, but I wouldn't be sure of that. But I did | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
see something on television? I was there last week. Very interesting. I | :33:55. | :34:05. | |
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haven't been up north for a long time. You know the way, we get | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
isolated down here because of what went on up there, but now is the | :34:12. | :34:22. | |
:34:22. | :34:23. | ||
time to go back. Well, I would like to go, but we have a wee dog and we | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
don't like taking him on the train. I would love to go. My wife and | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
myself would love to go. My wife and myself would love to go. I wouldn't | :34:31. | :34:39. | |
be interested in the culture. heard they had some events, but I | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
didn't know it was the City of Culture, no. I didn't know that at | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
all. I haven't had time to read newspapers or watch TV, but if I got | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
a flyer through the door I would say, " That's on and maybe go to | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
it." There is no reason why I wouldn't go, I just don't know | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
enough about it. I missed out on a ticket for the Big Weekend. I missed | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
out on the trains. We have always had other stuff on whether there has | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
been events in Derry. For once, tonight's commentators didn't have | :35:08. | :35:15. | |
to far to come. -- too far. It's home turf for two of The View | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
regulars, Deirdre Heenan and Paul McFadden. I can you hear, because | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
you live here. -- I can't welcome you here. It is nice to have you on | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
the programme. Paul, thoughts first of all on what the Deputy First | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
Minister had to say about City of Culture and about the marching | :35:31. | :35:40. | |
season? About the City of Culture, you'd expect him to be positive. He | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
is in his home city and it is important to people here in terms of | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
economic development and in terms of the feel-good factor which exists | :35:46. | :35:54. | |
among so many people on these streets. No surprise either to hear | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
him, imploring may be strong, but urge urging Grand Lodge of the | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
Orange Order to get involved. No surprise in that and clearly, he and | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
I'm sure Peter Robinson will feel that's part of the answer to the | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
tensions we have seen on the streets of Belfast recently and other | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
communities too. Deirdre, what stood out for you? Well, I suppose | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
basically what we are saying this is a city that found itself belief and | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
optimism and those things are difficult to pleasure and I know a | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
lot of people are saying how are we going to measure the success of it? | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
Those are the things we should be focusing on. Of course there is an | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
economic imperative, at the city has found its Mojo and we have to keep | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
that. -- but the city. Let's talk about stories of the week. Paul, | :36:37. | :36:47. | |
:36:47. | :36:51. | ||
what struck you? If you asked me on Monday whether I could have foreseen | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
anything topping the spectacle of an MLA being carried out in police Land | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
Rover with an out of date tax disk, but the revelations in the | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
Independent about the disclosure of conversations conversations in the | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
Anglo-Irish Bank. It is hard to rage against a bank or an institution. | :37:03. | :37:12. | |
This thing became personal. We saw names and heard the recordings. It | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
is no longer a business, it is person l a. -- personal. People are | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
talking about treason and things. As huge story and a great scoop for the | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
Irish Independent. What was your story of the week? It was the | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
diplomatic row over Edward Snowden who has been in the news for a | :37:29. | :37:38. | |
:37:39. | :37:39. | ||
number of weeks. He is America's most wanted fugitive and the | :37:39. | :37:49. | |
:37:49. | :37:50. | ||
question is, where is Edward. He was last seen in Moscow Airport and it | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
is like Where's Wally in real life! The national security in America | :37:53. | :38:03. | |
:38:03. | :38:06. | ||
listen to our phone calls and read our e-mails. Is anyone shocked? I | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
liked Putin's comment when he was asked to discuss it as to whether or | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
not he was harbouring a fugitive, he said, " I prefer not to deal with | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
this issue as it's like shearing a pig. Too much squealing and not | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
enough wool." What is your tweet?It is from Tony Galbraith: What is | :38:24. | :38:34. | |
is from Tony Galbraith: What is yours? Justin Welby, he tweeted from | :38:34. | :38:43. | |
Egypt: The only fitting response to that is Amen. Wise and appropriate | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
that is Amen. Wise and appropriate for our community as We have a | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
couple of minutes. We can look ahead. Paul, what are you going to | :38:49. | :38:59. | |
:38:59. | :39:05. | ||
be looking out for? I will be interested to see how the SDLP, Alex | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
Atwood specifically, and minor parties, react to what happened to | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
Alex Attwood. His attempt to introduce this Planning Bill. | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
been a bruising couple of weeks for Alex Attwood? You need sharp elbows | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
as well. That's the nature of the political game. It will fire a shot | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
across the bows of the other parties and people in the SDLP must know | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
whether the time has come to consider moving into opposition. | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
Deirdre? Our graduations start on Monday. It is a great time for our | :39:37. | :39:46. | |
:39:47. | :39:47. | ||
students and their families. Do you have strawberries and cream? We do | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
indeed. Your good friend will be there presiding. Glastonbury is on | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
at the weekend and the line-up. We have got Professor Green and Kenny | :39:56. | :40:06. | |
:40:06. | :40:07. | ||
Rogers. The Stones, yes. I am not sure about Kenny Rogers. You really | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
like him. I'm up all night for Dolly Parton! The city looks fantastic | :40:13. | :40:22. | |
behind us. The Guild Hall is lit up. How would you persuade hem who don't | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
know this city and the City of Culture, to come here, Paul? If you | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
come from Belfast, those people that aren't coming from Belfast, it will | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
be one of the finest train journeys. You will come across one of the most | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
beautiful rivers. You will have great craic, great people and you | :40:35. | :40:38. |