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edition of The View live from the UK Foyle flowing behind me, the Peace

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Bridge opening up new parts of the city and the refurbished Guildhall

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recently reopened. Londonderry has never looked better. And with the

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city half-way through its year as UK City of Culture, we'll hear from the

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Deputy First Minister who was born and bred here. We'll also be asking

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if Derry's year in the spotlight is making a difference right down to

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community level? A good buzz, a good sense of occasion and things

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happening. Celebratory. And I think that impacts across the city,

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including the waterside. I'll be getting an assessment of the first

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six months and asking what the legacy of the project is likely to

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be. Plus, the reflections of our commentators, Bogside boy Paul

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McFadden and Banbridge blow-in, Deirdre Heenan. And you can, of

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course, follow the programme on Twitter. That's @BBCtheview.

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Welcome to the heart of the city of Derry, a place that's very much in

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the spotlight this year as the first UK City of Culture. As the project

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reaches its half-way point, we thought we would take The View out

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on the road to get a sense of the mood in the city. Later we'll hear a

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range of views on the impact City of Culture has had so far, but first

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let's hear from one man who knows this city as well as anybody. The

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Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, was brought up less than

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a mile from where we are tonight and he's with me now. Good evening to

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you. Welcome home, Mark.The place is looking very well. What are your

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thoughts on the City of Culture so far? I think it has been a

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spectacular six months. My thoughts go back to being part of the

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delegation that went to Liverpool to make the case for this and try to

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seize this wonderful opportunity which really came about because this

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city united in a way like we have never seen before. All of the

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political parties, the churches, the community and voluntary sector,

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everybody recognised this was a golden opportunity to move this city

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forward and I think that we have been vindicated in the efficient

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that we have made. Do you have a personal highlight so far? There are

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so many highlights. I think that the Clipper Race last year was a real

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highlight. It wasn't part of the City of Culture, but it was a taste

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of what was to come. We have seen this year with the Sons and

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Daughters Concert which was a huge success, the BBC Radio 1 Big

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Weekend. I have talked about that a couple of times over the last couple

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of weeks. We had a situation where 40,000 and 50,000 of our young

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people of all religions came together and had a spectacular

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weekend together and when I think of that and I think of Hannah Nelson

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standing up in the Waterfront Hall making it clear to the world that

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they wanted not to be part of a divisive society, but a united

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society moving forward. challenge, I think, for the

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organisers in this has been two-fold, hasn't it? One to make the

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people of this city feel good about themselves and to enjoy a

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celebration, but also to try to reflect some of that positive life

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in the city to people from outside it and that's not always been an

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easy thing to pull off. I know we're only half-way through, but is that

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challenge being met? Well, I think it is being met. People in the city

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do feel good about themselves. People loved the return although

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Colmkil. The marathon was run in the city. We had the Down Chorus and we

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had a full day of music throughout the city. There is real

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participation and a real feeling of inclusiveness that this City of

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Culture reached out into parts of the community who were never part of

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anything in the past. There are some voices we've heard, but they are

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there and they need to be addressed. Those people who feel their part of

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the City of Culture has been airbrushed out. For them, they don't

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see "UK" perhaps as prominently as it should be from their point of

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view do you understand that concern? Well, I can understand that

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sometimes people pick on points they want to highlight and the balance

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that has been struck has been the correct balance. Because I think

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there has been a real effort made by the Culture Company, by everybody.

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In August, we will see for the first time an event come to this city.

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Between 300,000 and 400,000 people will come here. There will be

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unionists participating in that. There are efforts to ensure there is

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pipe bands from the Unionist tradition participating. In the

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context of where we have come from, the fact that we have joined

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together in a very positive way, there is a strong view that it has

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been very, very inclusive, but there will always be a certain tiny

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unrepresentative minority who will try to make out that it isn't.

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do you say to those people who are concerned about whether or not it

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represents good value for money? There is a lot of public money going

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into the past six months and the next six months. Are you satisfied

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that the decision to put so much public money into the event will be

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vindicated? Absolutely. We have put about �30 million into it. It is a

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lot of money. But it is money well spent. Over �12 million was into the

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City of Culture directly and the rest goes into ensuring that the

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infrastructure was there. I mean, if you were to ask me what was one of

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the most important things that happened, it is this Peace Bridge.

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The river is seen not as a divisive thing in the city, it is seen as a

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resource that we can use and we saw that with the Clipper boats. We saw

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that with the return of Colmkil. This is the new iconic image of a

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city and of people looking to the future, but it brought a massive

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psychological change to the people of this city who recognise that our

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futures are so intertwined that divided we are weak, but united we

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are very strong. Just to move on specifically from the City of

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Culture debate, you have said that you think this city should be a

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model for a way forward in the number of different ways, but not

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least on the marching issue and we are in the teeth of the marching

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season and this city has been seen as a model for dealing with the

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controversial issues in the past with accommodations made with the

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apprentice Boys. Do you think it is still a model for the future?

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ten years I was part of a group of people in the city that was

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encouraging local residents groups. The Apprentice Boys, the community

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and voluntary sector recognised the importance of trying to resolve the

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contentious issue of marching in the city and it took a couple of years

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to do it, but for the last eight years, we have been trouble free.

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What was the secret? It was the willingness of the local residents

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group and the Apprentice Boys to sit down together, respecting each other

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and working out solutions. If that can happen here, it can happen

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anywhere. The last time you appeared on this programme talking to me

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which was before Christmas time and you said you had private meetings

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with senior members of the Orange Order. Have you met those

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individuals again? Well, I have sent out feelers for more discussions. I

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would like to talk to the Grand Lodge of Ireland. I wrote to them a

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number of months. I haven't even received a reply, but we need to

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encourage people to recognise that the solutions that can be found are

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mutely beneficial for everybody, for the marching orders, for the local

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communities. What people need to do is sit down in a room together and

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work out solutions. Once people get into a room, all sorts of things can

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happen. You said you made real progress, it wasn't a formal meeting

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with the Orange Order, it wasn't an official meeting, but the

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individuals in the room were significant individuals. You must be

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disappointed they haven't met you since then? We have had from the

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Orange Order a statement making it clear that they don't have any

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difficulty with local lodges engaging with local communities.

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What we need to see are the local lodges recognising the importance of

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doing that and I welcome very much the statement made by Jonathan Bell

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representing the DUP. He said he believed that the Orange Order

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should be speaking to local residents groups. It is interesting

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that you should say that because here is another thing that the

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Orange Order aren't happy about and that's the development on the

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Maze/Long Kesh site. They are not willing to support it. How big a

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knock back is that? The peace conflict and resolution centre will

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be built and the work will start on it in the autumn of this year. Peter

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Robinson and I had an interesting conversation with the architect who

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designed the new World Trade Center in New York. And he is part of this

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project for the Peace Building Centre. He said something I thought

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very, very powerful. And that was this week? A few days ago. He was in

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Belfast and we met with him him. He told us about the time he designed

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the new Jewish museum in Berlin and there was massive opposition to that

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project, but it went ahead and once people saw the building, and this

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was a building that after it was constructed had nothing in it for

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months, they came in their millions to see it. And I think the same

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thing will happen here. What do I take encouragement from? I pay

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tribute to the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society. Their show

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this year, the Balmoral Show was a huge success with a 20% increase

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with the numbers attending and that was from the farming community.

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RUAS isn't controversial... People came because they recognised this

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was very, very important and this is a site which if utilised will

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provide employment for over 5,000 people. So that will happen and it

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will be a success? It will happen and it will be a success. Let me ask

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you one thing before we move on and move back to the debate about the

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City of Culture with my other guests. Gerry Kelly's actions. Some

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people suggested that his involvement in that incident with a

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PSNI Land Rover didn't help calm the mood ahead of this year's marching

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season. Was he not ill-advised to stand in front of the police Land

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Rover in the way he did? For years Gerry Kelly has stood in north

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Belfast very courageously and taken a lot of abuse from dissident

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elements and Gerry Kelly has done everything to keep north Belfast

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calm and he was doing the same on that occasion. It is easy for people

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to criticise when they are not there. When they are not there at

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the heat of the moment when something happens and there is a

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real prospect that things are going to get out of control. Well, Peter

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Robinson said he was reckless. people are entitled to have their

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opinions, but I admire the work Gerry Kelly has done in the past.

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Gerry Kelly understands what is required to resolve the situation in

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regard to parades in Belfast. wonder if you were there standing

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there would you have said "Gerry, stand out of the way and let the

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Land Rover past." I don't think we can say sitting in a studio and not

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being there that we have done things differently from how Gerry Kelly did

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it. Everybody has to reflect on how they handled different situations,

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but during the course of that situation and I heard and it was

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broadcast a senior policeman saying to Gerry Kelly and we heard it, "I

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know you are trying to calm the situation." That's what counts.

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is good to have you on the programme. Thank you very much

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indeed for joining us. The Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness.

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Let's return to the City of Culture debate. We know it's been billed as

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one long party, but does everyone feel invited? Has the celebration

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been enjoyed equally by Derry's poorer, more marginalised

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communities? We sent Gareth Gordon In the home of the Undertones,

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teenagers have been getting their kicks all year. It is the biggest

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party the city has ever seen. been very good. Very entertaining.

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What has it done for the city? is a lot of people about.

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looking forward to walking and seeing the events. But the City of

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Culture is not all about big show case events and pageantry, through

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this door behind me is a project which brings the City of Culture

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right down to community level. For the past three weeks in the hall on

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Derry's walls there has been the Big Weave. More than 4,000 people have

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been to watch and take part. idea of it is we are make making

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tapestries, but tourists so we have had thousands of people up really

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weaving tapestries together and leaving a legacy behind for the

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city. So we're doing seven tapestries, we're keeping one and

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giving six away. It is cross community. It is inclusive and

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everybody is able to participate. One of those who has been to see the

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Big Weave is the editor of the Derry Journal. There was an effort to

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involve people from both sides of the community and maybe marginal

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areas and you see that in efforts like the music where kids across the

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city are getting a chance to dip their toes in the musical water and

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this is known as musical city. You see it in initiatives like Music

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City where you had musicians young and old. And all free so you are not

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having a barrier in terms of financial payment and the bigger

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events, prices were reasonable. is the Cregan. Reminders of the

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city's troubled past aren't hard to find. It has been a base for

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dissident republicans, but this teenager believes the City of

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Culture helped bring about change. It happened at the right time well

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all the Republican stuff like that happening in the city. So it brings

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everybody together and it takes everybody away from the terrorism

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and stuff that's happening in the city. The project director has no

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doubt that areas like this have reaped the rewards. There has been a

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really good feel about it. A good buzz. A good sense of things

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happening and it was celebratory and it impacts across the city including

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areas like this. So people do feel included in that. Has it brought the

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city closer together, do you think? Well, it is hard to make a

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judgement. I don't know if that's the intention, to be some kind of

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reconciliation device, but there is a very good feel-good factor within

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the city. In this nationalist city, not everyone appreciates the title

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UK City of culture. In the mainly Protestant village of Newbuildings

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on the outskirts of Londonderry, that caused problems. People saw it

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as depressing because it is the brand name and it was like here is a

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section of the community who claim to be from the UK like ourselves in

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New Buildings and we are getting like that taking a off the actual

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brand name title. It seemed like skullduggery to a lot of people.

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hasn't stopped people taking part? It hasn't because there is so many

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different events. This Protestant community worker agrees the City of

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Culture helped bring communities together, but says that was

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happening already. If the City of Culture had been something that had

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come out maybe five, seven, ten years ago I think there are good

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reasons why maybe the unionist community may not have engaged as

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powerful or as strong as they are now, but a lot happened in the city

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in the last five years, a lot of good work and there is a lot of

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confidence that has been created within the unionist community by

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good quality community development work that's gone on. A big test will

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come in August, a month which once saw tension in the Derry air.

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year, the annual Apprentice Boys Festival will be followed by the All

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Ireland flaeh, unthinkable in the past, but that was before the City

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of Culture came to town. Gareth Gordon reporting. So six

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months in, has winning the City of Culture title transformed Derry in

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the way the bid document predicted, "creating a catalytic impact for the

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people of the city and the economy"? Lots to discuss with our panel:

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Community worker, Jeanette Warke. Denis Bradley, the former vice-chair

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of the Policing Board. Philip Gilliland from the Chamber of

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Commerce and the Chief Executive of the Culture Company, Shona McCarthy.

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You heard what the Deputy First Minister had to say. He is a big

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supporter. There has been criticism, do you think you turned a corner in

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the past month maybe? I think we're six months in, we have still six

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months to go, Mark, but for me, it is surpassing all expectation, but I

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would say that, wouldn't I? would. I think we're doing well. I

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think we're doing very well and we have another six months to address

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any of the things that aren't quite working out, but in business terms,

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the business community have risen to the challenge and are reporting back

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success stories and in terms of visitor numbers, we are even the

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month of May and the month of June has the biggest hotel occupancy ever

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in the history of the city. But more important for me is the social

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impact. It is not perfect yet, but the level of participation in the

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city is particularly over the last couple of months has increased

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phenomenally. Is there much you would disagree within what Shona

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says? No, I'm retired and I get a good bit of it and I'm like the cat

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who got the cream. This is a wonderful place to be. I'm delighted

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with everything that happened. I think the community has engaged with

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this in a way I didn't think would be as good. Last Friday, for

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example, the whole music thing was one of the most joyful days I lived

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in this city and I have been here a long time. I haven't lost my

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critique, my objectivity... I was worried for a moment. Some things

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don't just work. But that's true of all art and true of all creative

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enterprises and there are some things I liked better than other

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things. I'm hoping yet, I haven't given up, but the bid was won or two

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things, the artistic side and the other thing was purposeful inquiry.

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A horrible phrase but it was in the book. And the debate about whom we

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are and what culture is and about the big issues like economy, about

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education, about university or lack of, about all those massive issues

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about how we live as a society, where we live, haven't been engaged

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with and I think that's been a little bit disappointing because I

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do think that we're talkative people. We have a lot to say and

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culture gives us a place where we can have difficult debates. Even the

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issue that you talked about with Martin McGuinness about parading.

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How did we get to the place that we got to? All those things, a

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purposeful inquiry and that should be concentrated on more in the next

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six months. OK, we will get Shona's reaction to that in a moment. Maybe

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not enough purposeful inquiry, do you agree? Yes, I feel it would be

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very negative if we didn't agree the way the city is looking and so

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forth, but obviously, there is a lot of work to be done to be done within

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the working class community I work in. Which is The Fountain? Yes.Some

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would feel the venues aren't neutral, but the concert venue has

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proved a success and the Peace Bridge. The bridge has proved to be

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fantastic. That is open the city offer us. -- opened the city offer

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us. So at the minute, you would be more of a thumbs-up than a thumbs

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down? Of course, yes.You have some reservations? Yes, but thumbs-up at

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the moment. Speaking on behalf of the business community, Shona said

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the business community has risen to the challenge. You are keen on the

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connection with young people? need to think about generation gap

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and positively so because one of the things we're seeing is there is a

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great flip for businesses. We have counted about, you know, 40 new

:24:28.:24:33.

businesses in the city centre in retail and hospitality. So business

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start-ups? Business start-ups. More importantly, we see a big growth in

:24:42.:24:44.

new digital companies which are typically founded by people under

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the age of 35 who see Derry as a go to destination. They are mobile

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people and they see Derry as a go to destination because it is

:24:57.:24:59.

interesting and they want to start their businesses here and that's

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really interesting. It is no coincidence that people under the

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age of 35 aren't as badly prolgd ly programmed as when we grew upment

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There is a danger we are feeling good and it has been wonderful, but

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when this goes away, we are left with the same economy and sometimes

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people in Belfast accuse us of being really, really always complaining.

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-- badly programmed. There is a danger that we are feeling so good

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around this, and it really is wonderful, but when this goes away

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we are left with the same economy. Some of the people in Belfast

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accused of horse -- accuse us of always complaining. It is not true.

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The economy in Derry is really, really poor. You would be concerned

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if this hadn't happened, where with would you be? We have raised our

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expectations. We've raised our well-being and our confidence, but

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there is a danger that unless we follow this through and really work

:25:42.:25:52.
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at this... I couldn't agree more. I mean, the City of Culture, if it is

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just one big party and it stops, that's not a success, but I can tell

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already that it is not that because what we have seen is that we have

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seen the numbers of younger people who are choosing to live here

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instead of going o away or choosing to come here who have never been

:26:10.:26:13.

here before to start their businesses and to study and live and

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that's a fantastic beginning of a legacy. The City of Culture is not a

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thing in itself, it is a catalyst along the way. It is one step along

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the way. Shona? I couldn't agree more. The idea that this was going

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to be the and to society's bills would have been a crazy notion. If

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you look at the team we put together to deliver this, the level of

:26:42.:26:44.

cultural leadership, the development of capacity within the city cannot

:26:45.:26:47.

be overestimated. It is a platform and a possiblity for what comes

:26:47.:26:52.

next, but we have got a lot of work to do and the focus for all of us

:26:52.:26:55.

now is on the legacy. Derry did an amazing thing during the Troubles.

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It dissipated because we didn't follow through. It was more

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difficult. Politically, we weren't in the same place a and if we don't

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follow this one through, we have only ourselves to blame. I'm curious

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to know what you think, Jeanette. How do you think they could benefit

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economically from this? The young people in your community. If they

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were sitting here in 12 months time. What would you be saying, do you

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think? Well, we talk about the shared city and we talked about the

:27:31.:27:34.

shared future document and I would be concerned that young people from

:27:34.:27:37.

my community, there is a lack of employment for them, but as well as

:27:37.:27:41.

that, the city centre is not safe for them and here we are in a small

:27:41.:27:45.

community on the West Bank of the city and they are not safe to go

:27:45.:27:50.

into their local shopping centre. Are they really not safe, or do they

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think they are not safe? No, no, last week we had two attacks. They

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have to go out in groups of six. I don't see that. I know it is City of

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Culture and all that, but that worries me and here we have young

:28:06.:28:13.

people who don't feel safe in their city centre. City of Culture is not

:28:13.:28:17.

a panacea and it is not up to you to be make making the streets a safer

:28:17.:28:24.

place, but what do you say in response to that? That's not the

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message you want coming out? course, not, what I would say, one

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of the things I'm proud of is when we put the programme together, we

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tested it across the political spectrum and the view that came back

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this is one of the most inclusive documents produced from the city and

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I was proud of that. The work that maybe some people aren't seeing and

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it is less told about is the work going on in schools and community

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groups. I was at a launch last week and it was led by Mary Kerrigan.

:28:52.:28:55.

Computers have gone into the Fountain and Long Tower primary

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schools. It may not all happen tomorrow, but there is work that's

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being done that is bedding in new approaches to learning to the

:29:10.:29:17.

creative industries that are going to stand this city in great stead.

:29:17.:29:21.

think it is wonderful what's happening in the schools too.

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proud of the young people that I work with and I really want that to

:29:25.:29:28.

get out there. They are not a wingeing society because we have

:29:28.:29:36.

been so involved. Our young people have taken part in the music in the

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Long Tower Youth Club and we have our own samba band and our African

:29:40.:29:45.

drummers who are out there at every opportunity. I'm really proud

:29:45.:29:48.

because here they are and they are saying, " Right, we want to be part

:29:48.:29:58.
:29:58.:29:59.

of this. We want to be part of our city." How do we broaden the debate

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to involve people from outside the city? We talked about people in the

:30:02.:30:12.

city feeling better about themselves and understanding each other better.

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I'm surprised at the number of people who are interested in arts

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and culture and interested in purposeful inquiry who haven't been

:30:18.:30:21.

here in the past six months, does that surprise you too? See those

:30:21.:30:29.

Belfast ones! I agree with that! People always joke that the distance

:30:29.:30:32.

between Derry and Belfast is a lot shorter and there is a serious point

:30:33.:30:39.

in that! I would encourage them, get up for the next six months of the

:30:39.:30:42.

year, not because of City of Culture, look at this city, it is

:30:42.:30:52.
:30:52.:31:03.

transformed. People should come and witness a city that is in transition

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and in a much more tangible and physical way than you would see in

:31:06.:31:09.

Belfast. We are almost leap frog frogging. You only have to look at

:31:09.:31:12.

what this evening was published in the Economist about Derry and about

:31:12.:31:16.

what The Observer is saying and the New York Times is saying. We almost

:31:16.:31:23.

have to go for external validation first. I was walking across the

:31:23.:31:26.

Peace Bridge and there were people from Germany, America and Dublin,

:31:26.:31:31.

not enough Belfast accents. We need to get more of them here. What do

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you do about that? It is astonishing the number of people from Belfast

:31:35.:31:45.

who have not been here before. When they come, they will come again.

:31:45.:31:48.

is a big challenge. It will be less of a challenge in the next six

:31:48.:31:56.

months. I think doing anything for the first time is always a difficult

:31:56.:32:02.

thing. And getting the message out and even a new brand like that that

:32:02.:32:05.

hasn't existed before, it is not easy. Tell them all they will get

:32:05.:32:09.

�100 when they come to Derry so they will all come then! I'm not sure she

:32:09.:32:15.

would be allowed to do that! Denis, what do you hope the legacy will be?

:32:15.:32:19.

The beauty of this city being shown to the world which I think is really

:32:19.:32:22.

happening and the fact that when you are a marginalised, on the margin

:32:22.:32:25.

city that you can be something that's very important in its

:32:25.:32:33.

contribution, and that's beginning to happen in the city. We need to

:32:33.:32:39.

leave this part of the conversation. You have made yourself a hostage to

:32:40.:32:45.

fortune on that. Thanks to Shona McCarthy, Denis Bradley, Jeanette

:32:45.:32:53.

Warke and Philip Gilliland thanks very much indeed. From what we've

:32:53.:32:56.

been hearing tonight so far, and judging by the reaction on Twitter,

:32:56.:33:00.

it's pretty clear that everyone in Derry is fully aware that it's the

:33:00.:33:03.

first ever UK City of Culture. But beyond the city walls, do people

:33:03.:33:06.

know? Have they been to visit? Are they planning to come? We've been in

:33:06.:33:16.
:33:16.:33:18.

Dublin and Ballymena to find out. heard about it when I was in London

:33:18.:33:23.

and it is in Derry/Londonderry this year. I wouldn't go over the top to

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go to Derry. I'm happy that the natives up there enjoy themselves.

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will go up for the music and the street festival and Derry is a

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fabulous city as well. It is really, really nice. There is great people

:33:41.:33:47.

up there. There is something in my mind that tells me, yes, I think it

:33:47.:33:50.

was Derry or Londonderry, but I wouldn't be sure of that. But I did

:33:50.:33:55.

see something on television? I was there last week. Very interesting. I

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:34:05.:34:09.

haven't been up north for a long time. You know the way, we get

:34:09.:34:12.

isolated down here because of what went on up there, but now is the

:34:12.:34:22.
:34:22.:34:23.

time to go back. Well, I would like to go, but we have a wee dog and we

:34:23.:34:27.

don't like taking him on the train. I would love to go. My wife and

:34:27.:34:30.

myself would love to go. My wife and myself would love to go. I wouldn't

:34:31.:34:39.

be interested in the culture. heard they had some events, but I

:34:39.:34:42.

didn't know it was the City of Culture, no. I didn't know that at

:34:42.:34:46.

all. I haven't had time to read newspapers or watch TV, but if I got

:34:46.:34:50.

a flyer through the door I would say, " That's on and maybe go to

:34:50.:34:53.

it." There is no reason why I wouldn't go, I just don't know

:34:53.:34:59.

enough about it. I missed out on a ticket for the Big Weekend. I missed

:34:59.:35:03.

out on the trains. We have always had other stuff on whether there has

:35:03.:35:08.

been events in Derry. For once, tonight's commentators didn't have

:35:08.:35:15.

to far to come. -- too far. It's home turf for two of The View

:35:15.:35:19.

regulars, Deirdre Heenan and Paul McFadden. I can you hear, because

:35:19.:35:25.

you live here. -- I can't welcome you here. It is nice to have you on

:35:25.:35:28.

the programme. Paul, thoughts first of all on what the Deputy First

:35:28.:35:31.

Minister had to say about City of Culture and about the marching

:35:31.:35:40.

season? About the City of Culture, you'd expect him to be positive. He

:35:40.:35:43.

is in his home city and it is important to people here in terms of

:35:43.:35:46.

economic development and in terms of the feel-good factor which exists

:35:46.:35:54.

among so many people on these streets. No surprise either to hear

:35:54.:35:57.

him, imploring may be strong, but urge urging Grand Lodge of the

:35:57.:36:00.

Orange Order to get involved. No surprise in that and clearly, he and

:36:01.:36:04.

I'm sure Peter Robinson will feel that's part of the answer to the

:36:04.:36:07.

tensions we have seen on the streets of Belfast recently and other

:36:07.:36:11.

communities too. Deirdre, what stood out for you? Well, I suppose

:36:11.:36:15.

basically what we are saying this is a city that found itself belief and

:36:15.:36:18.

optimism and those things are difficult to pleasure and I know a

:36:18.:36:23.

lot of people are saying how are we going to measure the success of it?

:36:23.:36:27.

Those are the things we should be focusing on. Of course there is an

:36:27.:36:30.

economic imperative, at the city has found its Mojo and we have to keep

:36:30.:36:37.

that. -- but the city. Let's talk about stories of the week. Paul,

:36:37.:36:47.
:36:47.:36:51.

what struck you? If you asked me on Monday whether I could have foreseen

:36:51.:36:54.

anything topping the spectacle of an MLA being carried out in police Land

:36:54.:36:57.

Rover with an out of date tax disk, but the revelations in the

:36:57.:36:59.

Independent about the disclosure of conversations conversations in the

:36:59.:37:03.

Anglo-Irish Bank. It is hard to rage against a bank or an institution.

:37:03.:37:12.

This thing became personal. We saw names and heard the recordings. It

:37:12.:37:16.

is no longer a business, it is person l a. -- personal. People are

:37:16.:37:20.

talking about treason and things. As huge story and a great scoop for the

:37:20.:37:25.

Irish Independent. What was your story of the week? It was the

:37:25.:37:28.

diplomatic row over Edward Snowden who has been in the news for a

:37:29.:37:38.
:37:39.:37:39.

number of weeks. He is America's most wanted fugitive and the

:37:39.:37:49.
:37:49.:37:50.

question is, where is Edward. He was last seen in Moscow Airport and it

:37:50.:37:53.

is like Where's Wally in real life! The national security in America

:37:53.:38:03.
:38:03.:38:06.

listen to our phone calls and read our e-mails. Is anyone shocked? I

:38:06.:38:09.

liked Putin's comment when he was asked to discuss it as to whether or

:38:10.:38:13.

not he was harbouring a fugitive, he said, " I prefer not to deal with

:38:13.:38:16.

this issue as it's like shearing a pig. Too much squealing and not

:38:17.:38:24.

enough wool." What is your tweet?It is from Tony Galbraith: What is

:38:24.:38:34.

is from Tony Galbraith: What is yours? Justin Welby, he tweeted from

:38:34.:38:43.

Egypt: The only fitting response to that is Amen. Wise and appropriate

:38:43.:38:46.

that is Amen. Wise and appropriate for our community as We have a

:38:46.:38:49.

couple of minutes. We can look ahead. Paul, what are you going to

:38:49.:38:59.
:38:59.:39:05.

be looking out for? I will be interested to see how the SDLP, Alex

:39:05.:39:08.

Atwood specifically, and minor parties, react to what happened to

:39:08.:39:14.

Alex Attwood. His attempt to introduce this Planning Bill.

:39:14.:39:17.

been a bruising couple of weeks for Alex Attwood? You need sharp elbows

:39:17.:39:22.

as well. That's the nature of the political game. It will fire a shot

:39:22.:39:25.

across the bows of the other parties and people in the SDLP must know

:39:26.:39:28.

whether the time has come to consider moving into opposition.

:39:28.:39:36.

Deirdre? Our graduations start on Monday. It is a great time for our

:39:37.:39:46.
:39:47.:39:47.

students and their families. Do you have strawberries and cream? We do

:39:48.:39:52.

indeed. Your good friend will be there presiding. Glastonbury is on

:39:53.:39:56.

at the weekend and the line-up. We have got Professor Green and Kenny

:39:56.:40:06.
:40:06.:40:07.

Rogers. The Stones, yes. I am not sure about Kenny Rogers. You really

:40:07.:40:13.

like him. I'm up all night for Dolly Parton! The city looks fantastic

:40:13.:40:22.

behind us. The Guild Hall is lit up. How would you persuade hem who don't

:40:22.:40:25.

know this city and the City of Culture, to come here, Paul? If you

:40:25.:40:28.

come from Belfast, those people that aren't coming from Belfast, it will

:40:28.:40:32.

be one of the finest train journeys. You will come across one of the most

:40:32.:40:35.

beautiful rivers. You will have great craic, great people and you

:40:35.:40:38.

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