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The Assembly election was all about RHI and Arlene Foster

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according to Sinn Fein - but what about this time?

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On The View tonight, I'll be asking Michelle O'Neill

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if a vote for her party is a poke in the eye for Brexit -

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and a warm embrace for an Irish Language Act?

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It's four weeks today until the election and we now know

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109 candidates will fight it out for our 18

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Westminster seats - even if some of those candidates

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have no intention of taking their places on the House

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Tonight I'll be asking Michelle O'Neill how she intends

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to fight London's Brexit plans - and what a mandate for

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The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, tells TDs

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and Senators in Dublin that he wants to avoid a hard border -

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but offers no guarantees on customs controls.

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I'll be asking the Fine Gael MEP, Brian Hayes, if what he heard today

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Mr Hayes joins me from county Wicklow.

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And with me in the studio, the DUP MEP, Diane Dodds,

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And ten years on from the historic Paisley-McGuinness devolution day,

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do recent events demonstrate a failure of leadership?

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There was an imperative for everybody to get this to work, to

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ensure peace. I do not think that same imperative is there.

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Newton Emerson and Deirdre Heenan...

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Tonight - Michelle O'Neill says she has no problem with legislation

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to protect Ulster-Scots or British culture, but insists

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there will have to be an Irish Language Act.

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Sinn Fein's Stormont leader also says MPs from Northern Ireland

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who took their seats at Westminster in the past had no influence.

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When she joined me in the studio earlier this evening,

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I asked her what this election is about for Sinn Fein...

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They are taking their lobbying directly to Brussels. The crucial

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issue of Brexit will be dealt with the kingmakers, it will be the EU

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member states, 27 member states, we cannot go over and wait for Theresa

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May to bend down and listen to the issues we have expressed here. She

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called the election because she wanted a bigger mandate to deal with

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the Brexit issue as she was concerned people on the opposite

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benches could derail the process from her point of view. She is

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concerned about people sitting opposite on the green benches. If

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you win seats you have the opportunity to be there influencing

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the debate and knocking her back because that is what you want. But

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you are not taking that opportunity. You are missing the point, all MPs

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who are out there have not made a difference. The Tory mandate is

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large and will be after the mandate. I believe the most effective way of

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dealing with this is to be in Europe. When attempting to put

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together an anti-Brexit pact failed here, Sinn Fein asked the LP to

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stand aside and two consistencies, was attractive about the proposal

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you made? I was the first leader to ask for an anti-Brexit pact, I

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believe in this election. We need to maximise the number of anti-Brexit

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MPs returning. The Alliance party, Green party and SDLP field to come

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up and be part of the negotiations around that. In the last week I

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asked the SDLP to stand aside in two constituencies, in South Tyrone and

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North Belfast where I believe, voters will speak for themselves and

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numbers speak for themselves. The only real possibility of returning

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an anti-bracts that candidate and pro-Brexit candidates are the Sinn

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Fein candidates. It does not matter if any of those pro-Brexit MPs

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return to Westminster because you say the debate over there does not

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matter, it does not really matter if Nigel Dodds returns to North Belfast

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or Tom Elliott returns. Tyrone, that's the logic of what you told

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me. I believe it is important we return, MPs getting to the bench as

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Westminster. I gave you a number of examples of how ineffective our MPs

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are, but... You think your MPs will be more affected by not turning up?

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They can be effective in many ways, been part of an all Ireland team but

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I was out in London along with an MP and we met with the Danish

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Ambassador, the French and Spanish. We are influencing people who will

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be decision-makers in relation to Brexit. That is why decisions will

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be taken. Not Westminster. To follow your own logic in another way, you

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said what you wanted to do in places like Fermanagh South and North

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Belfast, when you make that offer, you wanted to keep out pro-Brexit

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MPs, to that logic it means you should have stood aside a candidate

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in south Belfast which is much more wearable as a seed for the SDLP then

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North Belfast for Sinn Fein. If you look at the recent assembly

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elections, it changed the political landscapes. I don't agree it is a

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foregone conclusion, I believe Mairtin O'Muilleoiur is a unifying

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candidate. And looking at how he topped the polls in March 2017, his

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vote was up and that's why you think he will win the seat, the combined

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vote of the two DUP candidates who stood was 1400 more than Sinn Fein.

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Rogic is not on your side again? And again I do not agree with you --

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logic. It is a good thing that politics are changing here. More

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people are participating in democracy which is a good thing. I

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believe the South Belfast seat is open for grabs, and I do believe the

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people of south Belfast have a great candidate in Mairtin O'Muilleoiur...

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You are happy to run the risk and come back after the election, if

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Mairtin O'Muilleoiur takes votes from Alasdair McDonnell, an

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anti-Brexit candidate. You are happy to stand with your decision to run a

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candidate in Belfast if it means a pro-Brexit candidate is returned

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instead? You split the nationalist anti-Brexit vote, you are happy with

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that? Let's be clear. We are going to South Belfast to win that seat...

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But you might not? We may not win a number of seats be cannot go into an

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election on that basis. In South Belfast, with Mairtin O'Muilleoiur,

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I believe he is a unifying candidate... Your logic is Mairtin

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O'Muilleoiur is a good candidate and should run that risk in South

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Belfast. And you should have a free run in two of the constituencies? It

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is clear and the voters know it, that in Fermanagh South and North

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Belfast, banded Brexit candidate. And we spoke in February, you are

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clear, you told me, Sinn does that remain your position

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today? You remember at the time I told you what we were dealing with.

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An RHI scandal, the potential loss of millions of pounds at the heart

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of government. Martin McGuinness asked Arlene Foster to stand aside

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for an investigation and she did not do that. Is your position the same?

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Martin asked her to stand aside. She refused. The only way to make sure

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she would was for Martin to place his resignation and he did so. The

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investigation is ongoing. Our position remains the same. We will

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never get to the issue of Arlene Foster and her position to any

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potential executive if we do not do with these issues. If we do not work

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our way through and into and what is reasonable and implement what has

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been previously agreed. What we are asking for is people to be given

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their rights. It is as simple as that. We need that to form the

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executive. We know that in quarry looks like it could take at least

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one year. Some think it will take two. -- the enquiry. That could mean

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no Stormont institutions. They could take a long time, we do not know how

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long it would take that it is important to get to the bottom of

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these issues... However long it takes Arlene Foster will not be in

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the executive. Our position remains the same but we will not get to the

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position of foreign executive if we don't deal with those outstanding

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issues. Then we can look at the issue of Arlene Foster. As I speak

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to you... We can forget the executive? We should not talk about

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it as if it is a possibility let alone a probability. That is what

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you are telling us? I believe that politics is about hope and people in

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the last election ten weeks ago went and voted for their rights. They

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voted for respect and integrity in government. It's the rise of Arlene

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Foster to decide whether or not she should be First Minister of stuff

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onto is up and running again? I will work with Arlene Foster everyday as

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leader of the DUP -- Stormont. But I believe, I told you this last time I

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was on the programme, there are ways for the DUP, if they want to power

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shower and establish an executive, based on the principles of the Good

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Friday Agreement and deliver for the citizens as intended, we need to do

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that. You spoke about rights, which are

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very important to you and you say to your voters. The Irish language

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clearly is an issue that Sinn Fein and the DUP see different look. Two

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weeks ago, you will have seen Arlene Foster visiting an Irish language

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class and she met Irish language activists from Pobal and Conradh na

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Gaelige as well. She says she is reaching out to that

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community. What do you think? I welcome those visits, it should not

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be newsworthy she is doing it but it is important, it shows that she is

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reaching out. But unfortunately I think we have conflicting messages.

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On one hand she is meeting groups and on the other hand, we have

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Gregory Campbell and councillors in Belfast... She is the leader of the

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DUP? Yes, but she is engaging and you want to understand, that's all

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very positive and I welcome that... With respect to Gregory Campbell,

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you said there would be no Irish Language Act be said there

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-- he did not close the door down entirely. That strikes a chord with

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what Arlene Foster has said? If you look at Gregory Campbell's track

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record, the insoles that he continually throws at Irish language

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and culture... He is one person in the DUP... Not saying the same thing

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as Arlene Foster? It's important that you distance yourself from

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unhelpful comments. If Arlene Foster is genuine and serious, we need more

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than fluffy words. We need action. If Arlene Foster agree to an Irish

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Language Act, would you agree to protect Ulster Scots and Orange

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culture? That would respect the rights of a different part of the

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community? I'm all about equality and affording people their rights.

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That's what a good government should be about. I'm very open... You are

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happy to tie this things together? It belongs to everybody, let's

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respect everyone's right. We cannot have ministers taking bigoted and

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sectarian decisions against one section and the next.

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I am quite open and for doing something in relation to Ulster

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Scots if there is the demand. I've said from day one. But appearing as

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you did recently in Loughgall to commemorate what happened there 30

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years ago when members of the IRA went to kill police officers and

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they themselves were killed on that occasion, when you stand on a

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platform and say you are proud of those people and what they set out

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to do, that does not help people believe you when you say that you

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are interested in the rights of everyone, can you see that?

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Everybody has the right to remember the dead. I think it is important to

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respect that. Do you have to remember the dead in such a public

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wake and a provocative way, as the victims of IRA violence? Everybody

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has a right to remember their dead. Nobody is dispute it is how you do

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it... We respect each other's right to remember you're dead.

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That is through proper reconciliation, people died in the

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conflict. One mother 's grief and pain is no more or less than others.

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It's not something new I have taken up, or something that Martin

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McGuinness shied away from. It's part of who we are. What is your

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message to those women sitting there who lost husbands, sons and brothers

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over the last 40 years... I regret every loss of life, I regret that

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mothers have lost their son and daughter, mother and father, it is

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important we respect people have a right remember the dead. It does not

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matter who you are. If we respect that difference, that is how we can

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reconcile as a society... You are in a position of leadership and

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influence where you to take on board how it is viewed across society. And

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perhaps alter the way in which you commemorate those people, not stop

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commemorating them but changing the way in which you do that? I think it

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is important we respect that we all do things differently and remember

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different. If I go to a commemoration it is respectful and

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dignified. As a political leader, I will not be shy averaging out and I

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will make sure I understand that everybody has had and pain. I'm

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happy to do that but as I said, it's my job to make sure it never happens

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again. Now, Brexit, a key part of the election. You were in Dublin

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today and met the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier, did you

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hear anything from him that gave you cause for optimism as to what lies

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ahead for those in Northern Ireland? Yes, it was great to see him in

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Dublin today, I could speak to him after. It was really important,

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important that we impress on other EU leaders, they will be the

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kingmakers in relation to Brexit and the terms of Brexit. It's important

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we influence those people. He is a clear understanding of a bus needing

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special recognition -- he has a clear understanding of us. If you

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look to other examples, like Denmark and Greenland, you can appoint where

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we have been flexible, and we've been able to see other examples...

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You said that you do not want a boarder at all on the island of

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Ireland, he said that there would have to be some sort of customs

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control set up by the EU rather than the UK but they will be there.

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Whether you like it or not there will be a boarder? I'm absolutely

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opposed to any sort of border on the island, that is a retrograde step...

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But I do believe that the reason that we are in this scenario is

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because the British public are only interest in themselves. The Tory

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governor do not care what happens here. -- government. I think the

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factories and they called this election at a moment in time where

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we were building up some steam in the talks process shows blatant

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disregard. The influence we need to bring to bear is in Europe, Brussels

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and where other EU member states are.

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We know that after the election, we have been told by the Secretary of

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State, renewed talks to try to get the devolved institutions again,

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what are people going to the voting for? Then mandate to go back into

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government that Stormont, or not? Always to go back into government.

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This, it marks ten years since Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley

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had been power sharing again. It has to work as intended. I want to get

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back to the executive. We are contending with conservative cuts,

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people robbing the health service. It is important. I believe that

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people want the executive to work, but we have got to deliver rights.

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It has got to work on an equal basis. What is the seat target? You

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had four. How many would you regard as a success on June nine? I am not

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going to get you a number, but we are looking to maintain the four,

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and we have targeted constituencies. I want to maximise the anti Brexit

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candidates. You have got to come back with more than four. People

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should come out in the selection, and make voices heard, against

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conservative austerity, and the position, ignoring the will of the

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people. And next week, I am going to be talking to the DUP leader Arlene

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Foster. Now as Ms O'Neill mentioned,

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the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, was in Dublin

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where he addressed both houses While Monsieur Barnier

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said he wanted to work to prevent a hard border here,

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he acknowledged that customs controls are part

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of EU border management. Tomorrow he'll visit

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a food processing business Joining me now from Wicklow

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is the Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes and in the studio,

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the DUP MEP Diane Dodds... Welcome. Republic economy,

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particularly vulnerable to any new regulatory barriers with the native

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kingdom that could arise as a result of Brexit. Have you gotten off from

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Michel Barnier to calm nerves? I think it was positive speech,

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reflecting the work of the Irish government across all of the EU

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institutions, making sure that going into these negotiations the

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guidelines are going to be clearer, in terms of highlighting the

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problems for Ireland. North and south, the importance of the Good

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Friday agreement, and the importance of the free movement of people and

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goods across the border. He has been aware of that. The former budget

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commissioner, responsible for peace funding in Northern Ireland, and he

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knows Ireland, north and south, and once we get through this collection

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we want to see if we can get the Stormont executive running again and

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get some great possessions. The north in the south, east west.

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Across the sea. Making sure that we have got an agreed approach. If that

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came from the island of Ireland, north south, the European

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institutions and Michel Barnier especially would be looking at that

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differently. It is an important responsibility to get this working

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again, after the British elections so that the parties can come to some

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agreement, going forward. So much to lose, north south, but I was

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delighted to see Arlene Foster said that she wants to have the softest

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possible Brexit. She is from the border community and knows the

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importance of the free movement of people. We can work together to make

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sure that at the end of this process, Brexit does not cause the

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difficulties some people have suggested. And we have heard

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Michelle making the point, that she does not want any sort of Brexit,

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border? Cuckoo land? We were walking across the border north south, south

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north, since the Good Friday agreement and the peace process,

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that region has flourished, in terms of the number of people employed and

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the private sector economy. It is really important from all

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perspectives that we do not have customs posts, revenue officials,

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that we actually have this freestanding border. Soul that

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people can move on both sides. That is important south of the border,

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and north. I think we can achieve that but the crucial thing, the

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absolute responsibility on the parties in Northern Ireland to work

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with the government and colleagues in London to get solutions. The

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Europeans are looking for solutions. Michel Barnier emphasised, going to

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have to be some form of customs controls, between Northern Ireland

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and Europe, after Brexit. It well have consequences. What do you make

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of that? I thought the speech from Michel Barnier was very typical of

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the man, he has spent his life promoting Federalist, European Union

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integration. I am not surprised that he stole the virtues of the EU in

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Dublin. But it was a very pragmatic speech. In Brussels, London, Dublin,

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and from the DUP, nobody wants a hard border. We want cooperation,

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treat, we want the effective use of where we are now. You have said you

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do not want the hard border. He said there will be consequences. Do you

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accept that? Yes. And he also said that he had desires to negotiate an

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ambitious trade agreement. Remember, it is in the EU's interests,

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Brian's, beef farmers, dairy, two actually have that free trade with

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the Great Britain market. 60% of Irish beef goes to market in GB.

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Northern Ireland, and the importance of the British market, I have been

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at Balmoral this week, spending my last few days there. Many food

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processors have said we have to concentrate on the market, grow

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markets, and have a free trade agreement, axis. You think you can

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have the best of both worlds. Many people have said we can manage the

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challenges, maximise opportunities that Brexit brings. You do not want

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to have your cake and eat it? You do not want to talk about potential

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difficulties? I think that we are starting from a good position. I

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have met Michel Barnier on many occasions. And in Brussels, the

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special considerations, the need geography, the history, it is well

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known. I think we can work together with those in Dublin. We will be

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with London, to actually do that. And the one thing that I absolutely

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agree with Brian about, the fundamental that is more sing in

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love this, it is devolved government in Ireland that would actually

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advocate for Northern Ireland. Today, at Balmoral, we're talking

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about the potential agricultural bill. We need a northern Ireland

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agricultural Minister, working. I cannot find many people who would

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disagree with that. And Michelle said that she wants to get back into

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government. You all want that, but not necessarily on how to achieve

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this. Do you agree, there is a way to square the circle. The special

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status for Northern Ireland, something that suits the European

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Union, Northern Ireland, and people living and working in Northern

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Ireland. It is the job of politicians north and south, east to

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west, to solve problems. We represent ordinary people in all

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constituencies, and the reality of Brexit was brought upon us, not by

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the people of Northern Ireland but British people by and large have

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been spot on the question. We have got to do with this. And actually

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solve the problem. I think we can solve those problems in a more

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comprehensive way, working together. North south, east west, coming up

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with solutions. Should we be talking about that, examining that? People

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have said that is the way forward? Other people, dismissive, but

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frankly the ball do not even agree what it is? Words on a page mean

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different things to different people. I am more concerned with the

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problems, regarding the border, hard Brexit. In terms of the divorce

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settlement, over the course of the next 18 months, we have a short time

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to do this, in terms of the European Union budget, and the liabilities

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themselves. It has got to be resolved. And what we need is an

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absolute priority, the longest possible transitional phase, so that

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we can say to people, virtually no change, that would help businesses,

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agriculture, supply, to get the best possible deal that we can. We have

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got to be pragmatic and realistic. I want to go back to you for one final

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thought. One of your colleagues is on record that he supports the

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special status for the island of Ireland. Agree or a lone voice?

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Nobody in Brussels, London, actually talking about the idea of special

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status, whatever that means. What we are talking about, some special

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considerations for the unique problems, challenges, and

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circumstances that Northern Ireland finds itself having. Northern

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Ireland will leave the European Union, with the rest of the United

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Kingdom and we need to go forward, getting the best deal that we can.

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Interesting. Thank you. This week saw the tenth

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anniversary of the restoration The return of the Assembly in 2007

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was seen by many as a high point in the Northern Ireland political

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process. But now we're in a halfway

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house between devolution Wonderful memories. The stable,

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shared community. Everybody was working together for the benefit of

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everyone in Northern Ireland. I was so happy I could play a part. We had

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hard work there, alongside the St Andrews talks. The images, powerful.

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But it was a feeling, that day, that the future was bright. All that.

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About time! Because all of those trips to great houses in in England,

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trying to agreement, the elections, people thoroughly fed up with

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politics by that stage. I think it was a tremendous amount of hope.

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People had become despondent. But to say these things resolved, and it

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was clear to staff the DUP and Sinn Fein had come to some agreement, the

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process was about getting the correct financial package.

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The difference between now and then, then a process was in place. But for

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a period of months it was obvious that we had a process, this time it

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is not so clear. I think that if we had even, the people I knew,

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including Dr Paisley and Martin McGuinness, I knew them both well...

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If we had people of that experience, stature, and with that tolerance, we

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could have got further. These two, warriors. Seen it all. And they

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wanted to stop seeing that. An imperative for everybody, to get

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this to work, to ensure peace. I do not think that seem imperative is

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there. The parties do not have the same means as the people who started

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this. Dennis Murray ending that

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look at how things have Right back up to date now

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with Professor Deirdre Heenan Just going back to that, that

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interview with Michelle, one thing that struck me that was potentially

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interesting, she said that she would back legislative protection for

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Ulster Scots but you had to have a language act? thought it was

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interesting she had no problem with that. No issues around legislative

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detection. Although later on, she was quite dismissive of Arlene

:30:49.:30:54.

Foster's attempts at reconciliation, I thought she was paradoxical in the

:30:55.:30:58.

sense that she said on one hand it was important to vote for Sinn Fein

:30:59.:31:01.

to ensure product that candidates did not get their seats. And on the

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other hand saying it does not matter as they have no power anyway.

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Reaching out to consolidate comments and then withdrawing it. It was all

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over the place. There has clearly been movement on the language, no

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pun intended, by the DUP and Sinn Fein, the Irish Language Act,

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cultural, does it stand alone? Can you combine the two? Of course, Sinn

:31:29.:31:34.

Fein said it was not a red line, they refused to say the Irish

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Language Act as a red line. There is plenty of scope for movement. That

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does not mean it will happen. If you are optimistic you would say that

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that may mean that devolution is more attainable than perhaps we

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previously thought. Then, there is the red line about Arlene Foster.

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That has not changed more than three months ago? I agree, there appears

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to be more wiggle room. But when you listen to the whole thing it was

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pessimistic. They were not moving around their insistence that Arlene

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Foster would not lead the party and government. With the election, we

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took the eye off the ball and it was a serviceable performance by

:32:16.:32:19.

Michelle O'Neill, juggling this and keeping it going. After all of these

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talks, we are in this vacuum with no original government because of

:32:26.:32:29.

respect and pride issues that really should not be blocking important

:32:30.:32:32.

decisions. I do not think it is sustainable to keep the deadlock

:32:33.:32:35.

going for much longer without it causing really serious problems. I

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do not think we can stay in no man's land. We are either indirect rule

:32:40.:32:43.

all we are not. We are in the process of getting more direct rule

:32:44.:32:49.

and at the same time, we need to get more executive back. The interview

:32:50.:32:56.

said we are not as this could take up to two years but there is no

:32:57.:32:59.

movement saying we will push forward with devolution. Let's talk about

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Michel Barnier. A mention of customs and realism perhaps with all

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concerned from the EU's chief negotiators. Is that how you see it?

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Let's not get hung up on that term special status. Europe uses the term

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to cover what it has to make. But whatever happens here, they will be

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called special status... People here do not agree on what special status

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means. You saw that with Diane Dodds? They disagree on whether they

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can use that term special status. It's a stupid argument, we have to

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use it. It is the content which is the issue. It was interesting that

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Diane referred to special status and said that there would not be special

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status. What is the difference? Only semantics. There needs to be a

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creative solution. A stand-alone act or a culture act. I thought what was

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interesting was that he was saying that they do not have a solution.

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They do not have one. Asking people to be creative and flexible, I do

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not agree with Brian Hayes all, they have not been adapted in the past at

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all. It's up to society in the broader sense to say that they are

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removing Brexit, how can we make it work? And Charlie Flanagan, the

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Republic's Foreign Minister saying to the BBC on HardTalk an open

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border is a must in all circumstances? Customs can mean many

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different things, the idea that the peace process would disrupt that is

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observed. Thank you to both of you. -- absurd.

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