02/03/2016 The Wales Report


02/03/2016

Huw Edwards presents the current affairs series. As child poverty rates in Wales remain the highest in the UK, the programme looks at what can be done to tackle the issue.


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Why are so many Welsh children living in poverty,

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despite countless initiatives to tackle the problem?

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We ask Welsh Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies

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how his party would run Wales,

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as we look ahead to May's Assembly elections.

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And is it print, online, radio or TV?

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Where do you get your daily news? And does it matter?

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Good evening and welcome to The Wales Report.

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We start tonight with the high levels of child poverty

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in Wales, and they are stubbornly high

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despite a range of policy interventions

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You can join tonight's conversation on social media.

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So 200,000 Welsh children live in poverty - that is about a third

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a rate that has remained static for years.

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The Welsh Government says it is aiming to eliminate

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but at current rates that now looks extremely ambitious.

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Felicity Evans looks at what is being done to tackle

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50 years ago and a South Wales mining village, these children grew

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up poor. All our lives we have been ill, I don't know what they have not

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had! It is a poor starts at any children. These black and white

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images remind us of how much the country has changed but poverty

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continues to blight the lives and ambitions of children across Wales.

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This woman struggles today is her two young children on a low income.

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This there have been plenty of times I have had to say to my children you

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cannot have this or I have gone on to a supermarket with ?20 and have

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had to buy meals with that, and literally said, we have to have

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passed the three times this week because that is all I can afford. I

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don't think children should be growing up with the worries of the

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chill that the appearance' financial situation on their shoulders, but in

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that situation with the menu in your pocket and your children asking

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something, you have no option but to say you cannot afford that. It

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leaves you feeling like a failure, it really does. H you always have

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that worry your children will not feel happy or beep roads or people

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are judging you because you don't have much money. And the result was

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that worry. Such in 1999, Tony Blair pledged to

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eradicate child poverty by 2020. The current UK Government has announced

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plans to scrap that legally binding target and replace it with other

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measures, but the Welsh government insists it still aspires to it, but

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it is easier to set targets than to find solutions and on wheels that

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has proved particularly difficult. Child poverty he remains the highest

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in the UK and is forecast to rise. With around 200,000 children living

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in poverty, it is clear Welsh governments have not had much

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success in tackling the problem. No one believes it will be eradicated

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in the next three years but there are crucial factors over the Welsh

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government has no control. There are areas the Welsh government does not

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have tax and jurisdiction over. The other area is taxation, whereby it

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is not actually an option for the Welsh government to massively

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increase the social problems designed to tackle poverty because

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of limits on public spending which are dictated effectively by

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Westminster on the amount of money wheels has to spend? But the Welsh

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government's techniques have also been criticised by some who say the

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approach has failed to recognise poverty has many different causes.

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They say lack of progress on child poverty as a result of treating

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symptoms rather than causes as well as a failure to gather proper

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evidence about the different circumstances faced by poor

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families. Poverty isn't confined to families will no one is in work and

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half of people in poverty and in households where someone has a job.

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I have had a job now for about four years and personally I don't feel

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that having my job has helped me out of any financial situation. I am

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better off when I get a nice lump sum at the end of the month but I

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have to budget that for the month and like I said it is a struggle to

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try to budget with two children and the childcare and everything else.

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Successive Welsh governments have developed various strategies and

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interventions to try to break the cycle of poverty. The flying start

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scheme offers extra support to families with young children in

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areas of high deprivation. More than 37,000 children took part in the

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programme last year. The less conflicting data on how effective it

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is but those working in the field believes that makes a difference and

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they want to see more children taking part. Not all children in

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families live in a flying start area and one of next calls for the Welsh

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government will be to try to influence the manifesto process and

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call for them, where there are promising programmes, let's scale

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them up and that. Child poverty in Wales is still stubbornly high and

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decade after decade that has stymied all attempts to tackle it. Breaking

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the cycle for these children and the 200,000 like them across Wales will

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remain one of the biggest and most important challenges for the Welsh

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government. I feel optimistic I will do the best for my children but I

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don't feel supported by the government. I don't think the

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politicians when they are talking about benefits and the day-to-day

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living expenses are people in my situation, I don't feel they look at

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it deep enough. A Welsh Government spokesperson

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told The Wales Report, "Although undeniably

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challenging, reaffirming our ambition to eradicate child

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poverty by 2020 ensures there will be no loss of momentum

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towards our goals." They added, "We have provided

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almost half a billion pounds for our flagship Flying Start

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programme since 2006, while it has also been

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protected in the 2016/17 budget at ?77 million

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to ensure children continue We are also helping parents

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into work and training." Joining me now is the

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Children's Commissioner Thank you for coming in. Very

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depressing figures to start with and I am wondering, so viewers know

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exactly what we're talking about, what do we mean when we say child

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poverty? About one third of children in Wales live in poverty, that is

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below 60% of median, average income, and about 15% are severely affected,

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so we're talking large numbers and we haven't shifted over the last few

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years, and I think it is something we mustn't get complacent about, and

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in fact we should all be furious about it. We will come onto some of

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the potential answers any second, but what do you say to people who

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say it is far too narrow a definition that you have just given,

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and you need more qualifications are targets or whatever you want to see

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and the definition you have given this too narrow? There are other

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ways of experiencing poverty that Arent just about income and when we

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listen to children there are other aspects of the daily life which are

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severely affected by poverty that they can as well, access to

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different services and whether they can afford different aspects. Asked

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-- access to play and leisure and cultural things but we absolutely

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have to measure them, and I was really disappointed recently when

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the Westminster Government declare they wouldn't use them, they primary

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measure of child poverty. That doesn't make any sense in terms of

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understanding how many children are poor. Why would they do that? I felt

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they were trying to imply that child poverty was more related to the

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behaviour of families, so they were going to be measuring things like

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education, and substance abuse and that kind of thing. We know a lot of

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things are associated with poverty but to me it makes absolute sense

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that if you measure poverty you have to measure income. They have

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recently backtracked on that which I was pleased to see. There was a

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crucial contribution and we underline that she has a job, and

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the lot of the narrative is about people who are not working, but she

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has a job and yet finds herself in a difficult financial position. That

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is not uncommon? The majority of children living in poverty have at

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least one parent who is working and that is something we forget. We have

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tended to build up a them and I was seen Ariel, and people living in

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poverty have been quite stigmatised in the popular media, and by

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messages coming from the top. We have to remember that when we're

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talking about children in poverty we may be talking about a parent

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getting up at 5am to do a cleaning job or do a night shift, and they

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may well have children living in poverty, and they are not lazy and

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feckless. When people talking about eradicating child poverty, can we

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say that on the basis of what we have now that is not going to

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happen? The trajectory shows we will not eradicate child poverty but I do

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think it is good to continue having targets and we mustn't lose momentum

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or our anxiety. The most worrying thing around all of this was the

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analysis that says that it is actually going to get worse, and

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we're not even moving towards the target but far-away? Yes, the

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current projection is that with the changes to tax and benefits that

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have been the in the last year, it is still quite hard to measure how

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that will play out because it also depends on job creation and wages,

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but the expectation that it get worse. As we approach these

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elections in May, is it your feeling that the political parties in Wales

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have real grasp of this issue and that they are thinking seriously

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about how to get towards that target or not? I think we have a different

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political atmosphere in Wales across the political spectrum, and there's

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a commitment and worry right across the spectrum, so I would expect

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whoever forms the next government to be working hard on child poverty but

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the answers to it are not completely agreed on. Most people are committed

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to the flying start programme and I think it is great but doesn't reach

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children. It doesn't help with families living in the pockets of

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poverty outside of the areas targeted, so I think we should be

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expanding flying start and helping a lot more with housing costs and

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social housing and fuel efficiency and childcare, decent childcare,

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good quality universal childcare if possible, that would be a great

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boost. We hope to be talking about these things again during the

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campaign but thank you. As part of BBC Wales'

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How Wales Works season, the main party leaders

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in Wales to find out how they would run things

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if they won power in May. We have spoken to Ukip,

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the Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru, and next

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week we will hear from Tonight it is the turn

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of Andrew RT Davies, the leader of

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the Welsh Conservatives. His party is hoping

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the build on the successes of the last Assembly Election

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in 2011 Before we talk to Mr Davies,

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Professor Richard Wyn Jones from the Wales Governance Centre

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at Cardiff University takes a look at the challenges

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ahead for the Welsh Conservatives. It is clear that the Conservatives

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want to make this a straight labour- Conservative fight and want to

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continue the momentum that we saw in the May general election last year.

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They picked up seats that people just haven't imagined them packing

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up. What we know about the conservatives is we know what they

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are against, it is very clear what the Welsh Conservatives are against,

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and what I find more difficult to work out is what they are for, and

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if you are governing ultimately you need some kind of positive project

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and vision. Obviously during the election campaign we may well hear

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that but the problem is that the election campaign in the context of

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the Welsh media, being so weak, is quite a difficult context in which

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to project those messages. have a large number of list members.

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The lists will be a luxury this time around. The benchmark for success is

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winning constituencies. There are some obvious low hanging fruit is,

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some pretty marginal seats, but what they will be hoping for is that they

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can really turn the tables on Labour in places like North East Wales. If

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they do that, frankly, under Andrew RT Davies, it is bombproof. On the

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other hand, if they have a disappointing night, I would've

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thought his position will become a pretty fragile quite quickly.

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Professor Richard Wyn Jones there. Andrew RT Davies joins me now.

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We are clearly about change. Changing the landscape of Wales.

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Throughout my leadership, we have offered alternatives. Health service

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and are protected budget. Creating autonomy for teachers to run the

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education system in Wales for the benefit of pupils. Empowering

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businesses to make sure they can get easy access to finance. Policies we

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have announced. When we criticise the Welsh Government for buying

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Cardiff airport, we brought forward a blueprint. At every juncture, we

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bring forward a blueprint not just criticise. If we are elected, we

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will build a new motorway next year. If you walk into the first ministers

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office in me, what is the first bit of proper legislative change with

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you will put into place? The legislative change we bring forward

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will be in our manifesto. Bills we want to come forward. The first one

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is about economic competence. And enterprise Bill that would put the

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thinking about driving the Welsh economy forward, so instead of us

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following down the league tables, we would have legislated in law and

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enterprise Bill to make sure the Welsh Government and public bodies

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engage fully in better public procurement of goods and services.

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Ultimately, the government would be charged with driving the Welsh

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economy forward, rather than managing its decline as it has done.

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That would be the first thing and what would be the price tag? A lot

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of it is changes to the mentality the way the government works in law.

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At the moment, we have had 17 years of managed decline with Labour, the

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Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru. The first spending commitment is

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protecting the NHS budget for five years. We made that commitment in

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2011. Regrettably the people of Wales chose to elect a Labour

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government that has taken ?1 billion out of the health service. If you

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look at cancer waiting times, yesterday I was asking the First

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Minister about the appalling state of waiting times for cancer services

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in my region of south-west and central Cardiff. I would suggest the

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outcomes in Wales regrettably not as good as we want them to be. We want

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to ensure the outcomes are improved. That is why we have called for an

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independent enquiry into the NHS here in Wales so we can make those

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improvements not on political wins are led by clinicians, telling us

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what we need to do to improve the health service in Wales. In your

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view, the NHS in Wales is still present danger to their health in

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certain dashing some circumstances compared to England? In some

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hospitals, there are higher mortality figures than income

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parable hospitals in England. We have been calling for an enquiry for

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three years. Instead of knee jerk reactions from politicians, such as

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the special measures after the disaster covered, we need to listen

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to clinicians and have an enquiry at the whole NHS, impartially and

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independently, to make dramatic improvements across the NHS in

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Wales. What of this dependent on funding and basis for taxation in

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Wales. Devolving tax powers has been spoken about. Wales Bill is now

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under debate. It is on pause whilst the sort out some things that are

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wrong with that. What is your take on that? It was always a draft Wales

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Bill. The whole point of that is to consult and consider the

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representation is being made. This is a great opportunity to empower

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the country of Wales through the National Assembly on areas of

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transport, energy, electoral arrangements. And major things like

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income tax. The Secretary of State... We are having discussions.

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The Secretary of State has announced the pause. What do you think is

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wrong with that? I have given evidence to the Welsh affairs select

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committee. I think all the leaders have done that. The necessity test

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has been dropped. We have a genuine powers model. There are areas where

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there are agreement and the need to make changes. The Secretary of State

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deserves huge credit for saying she has listened to what people have

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said, there are going to work it out in consultation and bring it back in

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the summer. The Welsh Labour government could learn a lot from

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this legislative process. Very often we are exacerbated by Welsh Labour

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planning on as if they have a divine right to rule. What is the mean

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change you want to see in the bill, so that people know when the bill

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comes forward if you have had your conditions met or not? We are

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discussing this across Whitehall. The necessity test has been dropped.

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We know that. What else? Reserve powers, robust reserve powers model

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where the assembly has genuine confidence and where backbench

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members can bring forward legislation on areas they have a

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democratic mandate to legislate in. I want to see the transfer of income

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tax powers, so that brings accountability to the heart of the

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way public life functions in Wales. I will continue to drive it forward.

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You have made the point again about income tax powers. If Wills is no

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longer part of the EU, something you favour, there is going to be a

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significant loss of income. Your cancer -- your Conservative

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colleagues are saying that. If he comes to campaign with you in me,

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what will you say to people? There is a assembly election where people

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will vote on local government. Then there will be a referendum. Everyone

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will have the opportunity to vote, according to what they think is the

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right way for this country to proceed. Ultimately the EU will have

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tax-raising powers. I want to make sure that we want a little economic

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union that ultimately allows us to trade goods and services across

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Europe and across the world. Ultimately that is why I believe we

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would be better out. You ask the point about finances and money

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coming and. We have a deficit in the money we put into the European Union

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of ten billion pounds. We get out about ?6 billion. That is the UK

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figure. I can guarantee that a UK Government would make sure that

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money would be redistributed around the regions of the United Kingdom,

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otherwise it would be failing in its three to deliver help and support to

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the nation that it has elected to govern. Frankly we cannot continue

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with operation fear of driving people into the ballot box because

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you're scaring them into voting one way. The need a rational ardent and

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debate. Finally, when you make these arguments and you're telling Welsh

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voters seem to think about their assembly and the benefits or not of

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been in the European Union, are you saying to them that Wales is going

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be better off financially outside the European Union? That is the key

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question. Firstly, we need to focus on the assembly election. That is

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the first election. The decision you make, that'll stick for five years.

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That is the government that will deliver on the health service,

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economy, local government and education. The referendum will

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happen weeks later. Every man and woman will have a chance to vote as

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individuals. This is not about politicians. Yes, it is. A lot of

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people out there still believe people will be voting as

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politicians. The important thing is the Welsh Conservative Party and the

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Conservative Government in the UK have delivered a referendum. Will

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Wills be better off financially outside the EU? I believe that will.

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I'm choosing to put my cards on the table. We pay 16 billion into the

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European Union -- into the European Union, that is the figure for the

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UK, and we get 6 billion out. I believe agriculture, structural

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support, would benefit and get a boost from us leaving. We will have

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a few lively chat in the weeks ahead. Thank you.

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The way consume news in Wales has changed dramatically over

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the past few years, with many of us now turning

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to the internet and more recently to social media.

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But a special BBC Wales St David's Poll has shown

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that all is not lost for more traditional news outlets.

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While consumption of print media in Wales may still

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be on the decline, with just 14% of those polled saying they mainly

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44% of those polled said they mainly get their news from television -

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that is up 5% from last year's survey.

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Compared to 29% who said that they mainly

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get their news from the internet or social media.

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Many argue that the decline of the regional and local

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newspaper industry and the dominance of London-based media

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- whose coverage of Welsh issues is patchy - has resulted

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in a democratic deficit in Wales.

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With the Assembly elections and an EU referendum

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around the corner, we have been to Caerphilly,

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where one newspaper is putting local issues back

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Caerphilly Observer started as a website publication in 2009. A lot

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of people started asking for paper copies. We were disappointed when we

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said it was a website and not an actual newspaper. We launched our

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first print edition in 2013. We have not looked back. If you create a

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product that is not representative or reflective of the community that

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you're to serve, then you're simply going to go out of business because

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people are not going to be reading your newspaper. If you give your

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content away for free like we do, people are far more inclined to pick

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up that newspaper. The days of people paying for years in print I

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think I'd definitely numbered. I mean they get my news in the bath on

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my Kindle, BBC News website. The internet. The radio, morning TV. Not

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newspapers. If papers start disappearing, that is dangerous. To

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keep photos and the public informed, you need the press able to

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scrutinise politicians and public bodies and institutions. If you take

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away that important function of the media, how can voters be informed

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when it comes to their decision at the ballot box? Code Caerphilly

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Observer be replicated to cover a larger region? I don't know. On this

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we have people willing to try these things, we will not find out.

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Joining me now is Dr Rebecca Williams

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from the University of South Wales.

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Kevin Moon, you are known for being in charge of what people recognise

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as a successful product, but that is changing form? Very much so, and

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changes rapidly almost every year, but the important thing to remember

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is that although print is in decline and nobody will argue with that, our

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audience know across a variety of platforms and particularly online is

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bigger than ten years ago. In your view, is it also to do with the fact

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that more than ever, we have a younger generation whose way of

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accessing information is totally different and they have far more

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things available to them, so the concept of news from the newspaper

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is perhaps something quaint and old-fashioned. I think so, and for a

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lot of young people know, something like Twitter is where they get

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breaking news, and the idea of paying to access anything is quite

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different from that generation. And I think the idea certainly of going

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out and making the effort to buy a newspaper is something that seems

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quite Alien to the younger generation. So two things, the price

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factor, especially for the business looking at its income stream, and

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secondly, trying to provide things and I am mentioning the younger

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generation, in a different way, so what have you done practically to

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come around those things? It is local newspapers across the country,

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and we produce our information in print and online and through mobile

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and social media, and I think Rebecca is right to see that younger

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people get breaking news from Twitter and sheer to amongst friends

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on Facebook, but they tend to go to a long-standing news sources to get

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into verified. That is a fascinating point and as we head towards the

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busy election period, what do both of you make about the importance of

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having reliable, trusted sources of information, what is it about the

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media landscape in Wales that causes you concerned? I think one of the

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main issue is with getting information through social media is

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that we tend to follow or be friends with people quite similar to us, and

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I think we saw that quite a lot last year in the run-up to the general

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election, where there was quite a lot of positivity that may be Labour

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could win that election and that didn't turn out to be the case, and

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I think there's that echo chamber effect, where you tend to view the

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opinions you already agree with, and I think that is maybe a threat in

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terms of finding it other policies and competing viewpoints, that if we

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only surround ourselves with the viewpoint of people who agree with

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those, I think there are some limits to how we can learn about what all

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other options are. Just a final point, about the state of the Welsh

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media, and whether you think that we overdo the concerns, and I will come

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to Kevin in a moment, but Rebecca, what is your thought as you look to

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the landscape? Do you think, with Scotland, is the Welsh media in a

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rather parlous state or not? We are right to be concerned about it and I

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think the more people who are now apparently watching television,

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there has been an increase in VAT, and I think we need to be concerned

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about the future of the BBC generally and in the decline in

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newspapers, and I think we need to think about ways we can tackle all

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of those things. Two thoughts for you to close, are you conscious of

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being in a media industry in Wales which is giving cause for concern,

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and secondly, where is your particular model, in press terms,

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going to be in five years' time? On the first point, I think the Welsh

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media across all platforms is in a relatively robust state, and the

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bigger issue in terms of that information that people are gleaming

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is that the vast majority of people on wheels get information from the

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national media, and in terms of in five years' time, I think that what

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will happen and we have already seen happen is that there will be more of

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daily newspapers that potentially become weekly newspapers, but that

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is about profitability rather than sales, and we didn't even get onto

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talking about free newspapers. That is for another time, but thank you

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both. If you would like to get

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in touch with us, email us at [email protected],

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or follow us on social media -

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we arere @TheWalesReport. Thanks for watching.

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Diolch am eich cwmni, nos da.

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