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And, in a new series, there will be no seed for Wales and the Brexit | :00:14. | :00:23. | |
negotiating table so how will Welsh interest to be protected in the | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
years ahead? I will ask the First Minister for his plans for Welsh | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
life outside the EU. Stay with us. Welcome to a new series of the Wales | :00:30. | :00:47. | |
Report and it could not be happening at a more important time in the | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
political life of Wales. We know that the process of leaving the | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
European Union, backed by Welsh voters will, will start in March | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
next year, and we also know, thanks to a blunt message from Theresa May | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
that there will be no formal place for Wales at the Brexit negotiating | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
table, or any of the other devolved nations. What does Carwyn Jones make | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
of that? And you can join in using our hash tag on social media. Before | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
we spoke to Carwyn Jones we asked a prominent Welsh economist to outline | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
the challenges of Brexit for Wales as he sees them. Leaving the UK have | :01:30. | :01:39. | |
enormous implications. We have 40 years worth of secondary | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
legislation, foreign policy, commercial policy, which we are now | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
having to overturn. We either have to recreate it or replace it. It is | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
a big deal. One can think of for quite separate areas where it could | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
have a first or the effect. One is resource flows to Wales. We know | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
that the European Union in structural funds alone provides ?1.8 | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
billion over six years, ?300 million per year, 2% of the total Welsh | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
budget. Maybe one fifth of its capital budget. Will those fun to be | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
replaced by the British government? Big question. I don't know that I | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
would be all that confident of it, frankly. Trade is another area, will | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
we have free access to the single market or not? Will there be | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
tariffs? Nontariff barriers? That is not all bad, actually, on the trade | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
side because the biggest Welsh export market is the USA. And there | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
are many progressive companies in Wales that are selling to the third | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
World, Africa, and Asia. They will probably benefit because we have | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
already seen the pound down as a result of Brexit and my view is it | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
will go lower. When you come to foreign investment I think that it | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
is easier to see that we have got the wind in our face. This will be | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
able to hold. Many of the companies that we are able to attract into | :03:18. | :03:24. | |
Wales were looking to sail into the European market. Maybe they can | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
continue to do so. Maybe it won't be much worse. But it certainly won't | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
be any better. And finally there is the whole issue of regulation. Many | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
people have hopes that leaving Europe will enable us to dispense | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
with red tape. I am afraid that I think that is a very exaggerated | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
hope. I think Carwyn Jones has said the right things. His hand is | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
weakened by the fact that the Welsh electorate voted to leave. If he was | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
sitting on the Northern Ireland or the Scotland vote he could say, | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
look, we didn't vote for this. As it is he has a bit of a problem that we | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
are in the same bag as England, and she has to deal with that political | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
fact. I think that there was a case for having a minister, or some | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
senior person with full-time responsibility foreshadowing the | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
Brexit discussions. They seem sufficiently complex and | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
wide-ranging to me that having somebody with a political | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
responsibility keeping an eye on it all the time, I would have thought | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
there was a case for that. There is a major problem of coordination. The | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
responsibilities will run across departments. I hope and that things | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
are improving but certainly historically it has been a weakness | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
for the Welsh Government. Ministerial responsibilities taken | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
very seriously, but tending to be silent. That was the economist Jerry | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
Houlton giving us his sense of the challenges ahead. The First Minister | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
is with me, thanks for joining us, we will chat in a second but what we | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
should do at this point is remind ourselves of what the Prime Minister | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
has been saying in Birmingham this week, specifically in a Welsh | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
context. I was very pleased that one of my early visits as Prime Minister | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
in July was to Cardiff, and I sat down with the First Minister and | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
talked with the Secretary of State about how we would involve the Welsh | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
Government in the discussions that we have. Of course it will be the UK | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
that is negotiating with the EU in terms of the terms of Brexit, I want | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
to make a real success of it, but in doing our preparations I want to | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
listen to the devolved administrations, and here the | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
particular issues in different parts of the UK. So that they are fully | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
engaged and will continue to be. As we go through the negotiations we | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
need to ensure we get the right deal for Britain. That is what I want to | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
do. But alongside that there are real opportunities for the UK as we | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
leave the EU and we have opportunities for trade around the | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
world, so I will be looking at developing those opportunities as | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
well. We're going to make a real success of leaving the EU so there | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
will be some tough negotiations, they will take time and there will | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
not be a running commentary on the negotiations, but as we do that we | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
will be looking at the opportunities we can have, and one of the things I | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
have been absolutely clear about, it is my vision for the government that | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
I lead, it would be a government that works for everyone and not just | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
a privileged few. We need to look at the opportunities that we can see | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
around the world. And we need to look at how we can ensure that we | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
are providing support where it is necessary, we have already been | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
clear in terms of agriculture that we will continue in terms of the | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
financial support, certain financial support that farmers are getting, up | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
until 2020, but we need to talk to them about what will then becoming | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
ever after. It gives us an opportunity, it gives us the | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
control, that is one of the key issues, a lotta people when they | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
voted to leave the EU it was about not having control over their lives, | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
and as the British government we will be the ones who are able to | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
make decisions about how we ensure that the economy is working for | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
everyone across the country and society is working for everyone | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
across the country. That was the Prime Minister speaking in | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
Birmingham just a few days ago and of course she had a big speech to | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
deliver today at the conference, thank you for joining us, First | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
Minister, lots of April are concerned when they realised | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
suddenly that those negotiations are happening at the EU, on the Brexit | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
process, there will not be a formal role for Wales. That must bother | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
you. We had been promised engagement and consultation but what does it | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
mean in reality? There is a template for this. When I was agricultural | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
minister we would meet on a regular basis, with the four MAC | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
governments, sitting down and working out respective positions | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
when discussions took place at European level. I expect that to be | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
put in place. It is right to say that the UK Government will carry | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
out the negotiations, that is true, it is in the driving seat, but in | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
all seriousness the UK Government cannot be thinking that it wants to | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
have an agreement that is opposed by Scotland, Wales, and in Northern | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
Ireland, where there are major issues that need to be resolved, so | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
the wider the buy in surely the better it is. I will remind you of | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
what you said not so long ago, if this becomes a two-way dialogue | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
between Brussels and London it will fail. Cardiff, Edinburgh, and | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Belfast must also have seats at the table. At the table, for most | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
people, would involve being in the room with people like Boris Johnson, | :08:44. | :08:55. | |
Liam Fox, and who ever else, and that is not now going to happen, so | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
I wonder if you think we are heading for failure in that sense? We will | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
continue to talk to the commission ourselves. And we've been talking to | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
Gibraltar, they have a particular about what it might mean for them. | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
So from my perspective I'm saying that we expect to be part, not of... | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
Not expecting to be told what is happening, but to be able to feed | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
into what the UK position actually is, and to my mind that there should | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
be ratification by all the parliament within the UK, the | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
difficulty we have is the UK Government has no real idea of where | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
it goes next, the hardline supporters of Brexit, their promises | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
are now disappearing, and were seen blind panic. In some sections of the | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
UK Government. It needs to get it act together and explain to the | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
people of Britain exactly what the red line is in negotiations, and | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
explain what it sees as the best outcome for Britain. We have not had | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
that so far. There is no sense from any of the ministers that there | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
should be ratification, as you call it, from the devolved parliaments, | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
there is no sense of that, is that your understanding? Are you | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
expecting this to be a formal ratification process? Because I | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
don't think they are. They are already in trouble over the | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
triggering of the article 50 process with court challenges in Northern | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
Ireland. It makes perfect rational sense for there to be as much by in | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
as possible. If you look at Northern Ireland for example, EU membership | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
is an integral part of the peace process. Will they really impose a | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
settlement in the teeth of problems in Northern Ireland? It makes no | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
sense at all. So far so good from the UK Government, what they promise | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
of engagement, we expected to be real, not coming back later saying, | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
this is what we agreed for the City of London, but and manufacturing are | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
not so important. Because there are elements of the UK Government that | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
actually believe that. That put it another way. You make your case in | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
terms of the consultation process that the prime and star has | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
mentioned. You then have to have faith that those views will be taken | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
in to the formal negotiations on Braxton, and that will be Liam | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
Johnson and David Davis, so how can Welsh people have faith that the | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
Welsh interest will be at heart? And secondly, what will you do if you | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
don't dig you are getting the kind of purchase that you need? I will | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
say so, and say to the people of Wales, we need the UK Government to | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
insure that there is a Welsh voice. We will make common cause with the | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
other devolved administrations where we can. It is not just about | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
politics. There is a sense to this. If you look at farming and | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
fisheries, they are both areas where the UK Government has effectively no | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
role in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. They cannot do all the | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
negotiating on our behalf then present us with a fake company. We | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
need an input. So far they have said it will happen. They have not said | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
the door is shut to Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Gibraltar. | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
Have had the promise of engagement and it is time to make good on that | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
promise. But before we even get to that position and to understand | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
exactly what their position is in terms of any negotiation. Liam Fox | :11:53. | :12:02. | |
is saying, hey presto, at the we will unveil a load of free trade | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
agreements. The miraculous, it has never been done in human history in | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
that period of time. David Davis has said, it does not matter if we have | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
tariffs, ?2 billion to the Exchequer, paid for by the consumer, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
Joe Public, and disastrous for manufacturing. My greatest fear is | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
that they will focus on the City of London to get a good enough for the | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
city at the expense of other sectors of the economy, and that, clearly, | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
for Wales, is problematic. On the single market, because this is right | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
at the heart of economic or it and is very important for Wales as well, | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
is the opposition now that you can buy an outcome which is basically | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
saying we will not be having full membership, formal membership of the | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
single market, that we will have some kind of access to it, some | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
negotiated access, would that you be a good outcome, or just unacceptable | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
outcome or, what is the ideal? The red line for me is no tariffs. Any | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
outcome that lead to tariffs is bad. It will mean of course that it makes | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
it impossible for us to say, and this has been a fantastic success, a | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
successful route we have taken, it will be impossible for us to say to | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
investors, come to Wales because you have access to the European market | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
which is bigger than America and Russia combined. If we have tariffs | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
of the investment will go elsewhere. So tariff free access is absolutely | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
essential, anything else has to be built on top of that. But without | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
that, no agreement will be worth the salt. | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
Big you think it will be worth, in terms of the concerns over freedom | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
of movement, you think seeding membership of the single market is | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
worth it in order to have control over freedom of movement? No, I | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
think we should have access to this angle market. Where are you on | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
freedom of movement? Noah has the answers to this yet, one of the | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
areas it could be, for example, there could be as seven hyping year | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
moratorium on freedom of movement as it currently stands, in order to get | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
other countries time to catch up. That's one possibility. While we | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
reckon as we do need to move back in for, is it possible to have freedom | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
of workers rather than freedom of people? So if there is a job in the | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
UK, they can move freely. These are all things that can be explored. At | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
the heart of this is that people had no control over their lives, and | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
people were taking jobs that may be made available to them. That issue | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
has to be addressed, whether it's correct or not. It is important we | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
say to people, people are coming here to pay taxes and patented the | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
health service, they're not taking jobs that could be done by local | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
people. To what extent have you been successful telling people that there | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
is, clearly, an advantage to being open to workers from other parts of | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
the EU and the world, that that is very important aspect of of | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
movement, is that a aspect you are moving away from? I made it | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
absolutely clear that there is no country in the developed world that | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
doesn't draw doctors from other countries. It's world market. The | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
idea you can only have UK doctors is nonsensical. The Government in | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
London is talking about cell sufficiency? It's crazy, it can't | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
happen. It takes at least ten years to train someone to the level of | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
consultant. I want the best doctors working in the health service, I | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
don't care where they're from. I want the best with people of Wales. | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
The message that the Government in England is giving is that you can | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
come and work for us, but when we have had enough of you, we will chug | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
you out. That is a great way of attracting the best brains. They are | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
now proposing a list of foreign workers. That is the most sinister | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
thing I have heard. She said it was possibly a knowledge, not formal | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
policy. In other words, I said it, and that I regret saying it. This | :16:15. | :16:22. | |
list, is this the 1930s? It is a crazy situation. As public sector | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
employers in Wales, we will not be doing that. You will not be doing | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
that, but you're still acknowledging that there are concerns around | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
freedom of movement which bed into the result in Wales over the | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
referendum. There are two messages here just as you are concerned over | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
uncontrolled freedom of movement? I'm not concerned over freedom of | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
movement of doctors and nurses. In fact, I wanted the best people | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
coming from abroad into Wales. There are plenty of firms in Wales? They | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
will bring their own people in, that is crucial. We are saying to | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
companies you can't employ anyone outside the UK? So what is the | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
freedom of movement that you do want to control? It is the low-pay that | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
is the issue. People who are in jobs where they feel they are badly paid | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
and had no security of employment, no pension at the end of it. They | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
are under pressure of their incomes due to the fact that the businesses | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
can employ other people in the areas where they work, that has brought | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
pressures on wages. I have heard that and it is true in the terms of | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
the low paid, it is not true on the other end of the spectrum. What | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
would be your message to those ministers in London on freedom of | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
movement? The last thing we want is to restrict doctors and nurses | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
coming into the UK, we've always relied on them and training doesn't | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
work in itself. You can train doctors, but they may go to other | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
countries. What about foreign students? We want them here, white? | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
They pay higher tuition fees then well students do. If they do not | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
come here, tuition fees will come up for home students. Warren students | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
subsidise the education of UK students, that's the reality. We | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
want to bring the best brains into Wales and into Britain, because | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
other people who were pure people in the future and set up businesses in | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
the future if they choose to stay in Britain. Working with the people we | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
already have here. The Home Secretary has spoken about people | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
with lower-quality altercations, in Wales, that would mean distinction | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
between our universities, is that healthy? No. We need to make sure | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
that the courses offered sufficient standard. Is that the case in Wales? | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
We have very good universities in Wales. Across-the-board? Foreign | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
students coming to Wales, and there are advantages there. If you look at | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
it purely financially, they pay more. If you look at what they can | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
contribute, they bring in their own knowledge. Also, if the come to | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
Wales and study and return to their home countries, they're ambassadors | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
for Wales. I've met people all around the world he came to | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
university here, have a great memory of that, and positions where they | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
can take decisions about jobs in different parts of the world. If we | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
cut ourselves off from that, and cut ourselves off from so much in terms | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
of being sale the macro able to sell Wales around the world. We had the | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
chance at this work document turbulence, a roller-coaster right, | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
the Autumn Statement coming up could be a bigger squeeze possibly on | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
public steam the macro spending. What is your strategy around | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
spending? We have to see what the Autumn Statement actually says. I | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
welcome moving away from this scripture is of austerity, if I can | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
put it that way. The Robbie decisions we have to take. -- | :20:20. | :20:28. | |
strictures of austerity. We had five years between 2011 and 2016 where | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
there was no products that we broke. It was not easy to do that. -- no | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
promise that we broke. We want, at all costs, to avoid the temptation | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
that afflict all politicians to make promises we couldn't keep. In our | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
manifesto, we made sure we could keep our promises, it even bearing | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
in mind the squeeze coming down the line from Whitehall. The IFS by | :20:52. | :20:59. | |
saying there could be a real terms reduction of several% of the funding | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
that comes to the Welsh Government. What are going to be your spending | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
parties? What we can't do is salami slice, that is not strategic or make | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
sense. What we have to do is look carefully at our budget and take | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
strategic decisions on what we want to fund. Simply cutting bits here | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
and there is not going to work. It doesn't make sense in terms of what | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
we're trying to do to make Wales a better place. The Prime Minister's | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
case today is that health spending in Wales has compared unfavourably | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
compare to England and has performed unfavourably compare to England, | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
that is their experience, what is your thoughts? First law, it is not | :21:49. | :21:56. | |
even true. We spend more on health in Wales and England does per head. | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
That is a fact. We know that when the different health services in the | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
UK were like that, there were no substantial differences. Whenever | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
anybody wants to criticise Government elsewhere it is a sure | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
sign they are in trouble. This cannot be solved by deporting | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
doctors. They are now saying to doctors who work in Britain, you can | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
stay here for a while, then we will chuck you out. That is effectively | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
what they were saying. I've following to the same trap, because | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
I've accused them of something. From our perspective, we are happy with | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
the health service and the money we have put into it. We know it | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
delivers for the vast majority of people, day in, day out. It is a | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
question of focusing on those errors. Are you happy with the | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
current Labour leadership, another Jeremy Corbyn's been re-elected and | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
people are retractable behind, you also pulling behind him? Yes, it is | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
vitally important the party in Westminster actors opposition. Is | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
not doing that now? Adam Taggart has been. -- I don't think it has been. | :23:15. | :23:24. | |
People in the party have different views, but those views are expressed | :23:25. | :23:32. | |
in a friendly way. We came through the last election with 29 seats, | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
though we were told we would have far fewer than that. We won every | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
seat in a labour force as Tory straight fight. The objective | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
politics is not to transform a political party, it is to deliver | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
for the people who voted for you. The people voted Labour want to note | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
the Labour Party in Westminster will stand up for justice and | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
opportunity. We haven't done that. We haven't done that up to now, so | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
it is important we unite as a party and start to be an effective | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
opposition. When you choose one to represent Wales on the executive | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
committee, you chose Alan Davies. Hidden the past he has been on | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
record as not being impressed with Jeremy Corbyn. Where did you do | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
that? Firstly, the gravitas to do the job. He has availability for the | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
time in the NEC meets, so I know he will be able to do the job. I am | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
told that Jeremy Corbyn felt he was not the ideal choice because it was | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
not I ideological eat sympathetic to what the leadership is trying to | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
achieve? In my judgment, ie had to pick who would speak for Welsh | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
Labour. Per semester, thank you very much. That's all we have time for, | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
don't forget if you want to e-mail us, the address is... From now, from | :25:10. | :25:18. | |
the Senedd in Cardiff Bay, thanks for watching. | :25:19. | :25:26. |