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There are concerns over the future of a Welsh Government scheme to tackle poverty in Wales' poorest communities - what next for the Communities First programme?


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Tonight on The Wales Report: What next for Wales' poorest areas?

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We speak to Communities Secretary Carl Sargeant about his plans

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after scrapping the Communities First scheme.

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Is there a bright Brexit future on the horizon?

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We'll hear from the leader of the Welsh Conservatives,

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And Aileen Richards, the first female to sit on the

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board of Welsh Rugby Union, tells us how she

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thinks you can get more women into public life.

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Good evening and welcome to The Wales Report.

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First tonight, what next for Wales' poorest areas?

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Remember you can join in the discussion tonight ?

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When it was launched in 2001, Communities First

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was the Welsh Government's big plan to tackle

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poverty in Wales' most deprived areas.

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But the programme has been mired in controversy

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and concerns that it doesn't deliver.

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Communities Secretary Carl Sargeant confirmed in the Senedd yesterday

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that the scheme would be phased out.

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With EU funding also at risk, that announcement

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has left many wondering what support will be left for those communities

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to help people out of poverty and into work.

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In some of Wales' most deprived areas, local Communities First

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projects provide a lifeline to those struggling with benefit changes and

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poverty. You will notice it is getting dry so

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what we're going to do is add the egg.

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The programme here helped 120 residents into work last year,

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teaching a range of life skills. People say it has helped them build

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confidence. I was on the cookery course. I was

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in a group for postnatal depression funded by Communities First. We were

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offered this as an add-on for a qualification. If it wasn't for

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Communities First I wouldn't have been able to afford to be able to do

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the qualification or have childcare that they have paid for. It has

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given me confidence for getting out there and doing it.

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Those involved in the scheme say it is not just about finding people

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work. Often more complex support is needed to help them turn things

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around. Employability is key but only one

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piece of it. People have low self-esteem and low confidence and

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you just think they really, really need intensive intervention to help

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get back on their feet and back into work and this is what we are doing.

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And what we would like to carry on doing.

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But despite pockets of success like this, Communities First has faced

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huge criticism. Since it was launched in 2001, it has been mired

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in concerns about the misuse of funds and even some high-profile

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fraud cases. Most importantly, it has made no change to the overall

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picture of deprivation in Wales. After 15 years and ?300 million of

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investment, almost one quarter of people in Wales are living in

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poverty. It depends on how we judge

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Communities First. If we judge it as a poverty eradication programme,

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let's be honest, it has failed. By and large, the poorest areas in

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Wales are at the same. It is over 15 years since the programme was

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introduced. I think we look at it as a poverty mitigation programme and

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then it has had enormous successes. You have to ask what some

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communities would be like without it.

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It was confirmed that the scheme was to be phased out. People working in

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the scheme and the people they support have already faced a long

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period of uncertainty. The problem is when you make an

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announcement as has been done, it already has effects. People are

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already looking for other jobs which means that some of the services are

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disintegrating already. My concern is that this is quite urgent because

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I can tell you there is a lot of nervousness around at the moment.

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Many of the same areas that are supported by Communities First also

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received funding from the European Union. While it is true that those

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two sources of funding that have -- have failed to lift Wales out of

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poverty, the question marks hanging over them are causing concern.

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A huge source of funding would disappear from the EU and from

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Communities First. Parts of Wales could have their -- have core parts

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removed. What will happen to those communities?

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I think Communities First has been a success in many areas but it is

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temporary Reef fresh. He announced your phasing it out and

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the money will come to an end next April. What next?

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We will look at interventions and other programmes. Communities First

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could never be the only poverty programme. I am looking forward with

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optimism to tackling poverty. What about the cookery course we

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saw? Well that carry on? We will have a ?6 million revenue

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fund and a ?4 million capital fund where local authorities can pick up

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the best local programmes that are having a good effect. There are some

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effective programmes but the poverty trap is stubborn and we have to do

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something about it. A lot of projects were listed by our

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speaker that said it was a sad day. There is no long-term vision for

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tackling poverty. I don't agree with you. We are very

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keen on making sure that all our policy interventions from government

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and making sure that we're tackling poverty head on. The fact is that...

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Why did you run backbencher described it as a sad day?

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That is a matter for him and I think he is just misunderstood. He doesn't

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agree with me but that is nothing new in any party. We have

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opportunities to make sure communities across Wales are

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tackling poverty and we will do that.

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But you are more or less washing your hands of this. You're seeing to

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local communities, it is up to you, you can carry on with the projects

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or not. That is not the message. You're

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working with them. 100,000 apprenticeships, the best childcare

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anywhere in the UK. We are seeing that --... Let's not make this a sad

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day for communities. What I don't understand is that of

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the pot of money was available to amenities by Communities First, does

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that no get spread through communities or is there a specific

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poverty part? If you look at the whole Communities

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First budget there is around ?3 million of savings. We will be

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making stronger interventions in those other programmes to make sure

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they link up better. One announcement yesterday was a ?12

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million project that didn't receive much coverage. It will fund projects

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similar to those in your VAT and those things that work we will

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continue to do -- similar to those in your video.

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It is not great timing for these projects due to coming out of the

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EU. They are already facing uncertainty.

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You are right. It is important that we plan for the future and that is

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what we have done. Brexit and welfare reform have had to stabling

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effects on our communities and we need to get a grip of this and

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tackling poverty is one of this government's main priorities. We

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have got to do something different. Do the same and you get the same

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effect and we are not doing that. Britain's journey towards the EU

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exit door is progressing. The House of Commons took the big

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step of backing the triggering of Article 50 last week

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and now the debate moves So we're a step closer to Brexit

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but what will it mean for Wales? One politician who's full

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of optimism about life outside the EU is the leader

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of the Welsh Conservatives, How do you think the Brexit process

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is going? Quickly enough? I think it is going well. The

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detractors wouldn't say that but if you look at what Theresa May has

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done around the negotiations, she has set up various ministries and is

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going to bring forward a bill to consolidate all the legislation to

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be done in tandem with the negotiations. He has stuck to her

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guns and want article 50 in focus by the end of March.

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What about the voice of Wales in that? None of the devolved regions

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feel that their voices are being heard. Why do think that is?

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I don't agree with that. The Prime Minister has shown her intention to

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engage with devolved administrations. I think it is a bit

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rich for Labour ministers to talk about not being heard when you look

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at the First Minister was the actions and refusing to talk to me

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even though I have offered to work with him. Theresa May has not taken

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that approach and has had the First Minister of devolved regions around

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the table and making sure all that feeds into the process.

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You are not part of the white paper for the Welsh Government but where

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would Common ground be with Carwyn Jones?

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I think there could be a lot but I'm not just talking about Carwyn Jones.

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The common ground would be about the transitional arrangements when we

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come out of the European Union, how the United Kingdom will operate, in

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particular around issues that might bring more responsibility to this

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institution. The tape of landscape that we want on structural funds and

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the Common Agricultural Policy for the UK. I believe that we could find

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common ground. Let's look at funding because Wales

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has been dependent on funding and you have said before the referendum

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that you could guarantee that money would still come to Wales. David

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Cameron was more cautious but you said you would guarantee that a UK

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Government would get that money to Wales. Are you still guaranteeing

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that? That money will be there to

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distribute around the United Kingdom, without a shadow of the

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doubt. Every ?2 and we only get ?1 back. A damning indictment is that

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Wales still requires huge amounts of this money because successive

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governments have failed to lift a GDP figures.

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You see it as they are to be distributed around the UK but he

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can't guarantee it will come here. Those are the political choices we

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can make. Well your government make those

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choices? Of course because we have a

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government governing for the whole of the native kingdom, not a

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government like the Labour administration here. We have created

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a record number of jobs and increase prosperity levels. What we haven't

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got regrettably in Wales is a government here.

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Let's focus on Brexit. Whether the money will be the same. You cannot

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guarantee. That money is there. It is the

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political choice. People bought at the ballot box to see what type of

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government they want. There will be a general election in 2020.

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You will be in power. When we come out, there will be a general

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election in 2020 and it will be manifested in what those parties

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seek to do. It can bring that money into wheels. You will campaign to

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bring that money here. But there will be less money coming from the

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European Union if we had stayed in because all the indicators were

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saying that that money was going east to the succession countries

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rather than coming over to the countries that have historically

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been in the European Union so less money would a comment.

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You mentioned farming. We know that many Welsh

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farmers voted to leave so why will they be better off?

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If you look at the average age of farmers in European Union, there is

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no way to build a successful industry. I believe that we will be

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able to craft the Common Agricultural Policy that has

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security and protection of the environment and elements to ensure

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we do our bit for global warming and climate change and will be able to

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craft that to be fit for the Wales and United Kingdom.

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You mean a UK wide Common Agricultural Policy so when it comes

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to making a deal with New Zealand you cannot guarantee that Welsh lamb

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would be at the top of the agenda, can you? You're missing the point

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about key priorities for agriculture so in the government has to sign up

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to the idea we need food security and any government recognises the

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importance of having food security is part of its policy because we

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know there will be water shortages, there is global hunger regrettably

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across the planet and any government that does not have food security at

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the heart of its planning... Let us talk about Welsh lamb. Welsh lamb is

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part of the portfolio. The Welsh ministers said a food trade deal

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with New Zealand would be a disaster. This is the same Welsh

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minister who said farmers are the best people to run their business.

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Who said there is no such thing as UK agriculture. I would not put too

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much store by what the Welsh agriculture minister says. You are

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confident Welsh farmers will be at the top of the agenda for a UK

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minister forming trade deals across the world? Of course. The

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Conservatives are the party who stand up for rural Wales and rural

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Britain and they will be campaigning to make sure the Welsh voices heard,

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making sure we deliver for Welsh farmers to have an industry that has

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succession at its heart so we have young people coming into the

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industry and food security and environmental goals that the

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taxpayer once. You said it is not right that some Welsh farmers, up to

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80% or 90% dependent on EU subsidies but they need that money, there is

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no guarantee they will get that money after Brexit. Good security at

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the heart of your decisions, you have to put the money on the table.

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Who puts the money on the table? The Treasury. The UK Treasury sends

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money to Brussels and Brussels sends the money back. You are saying that

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a UK Government after Brexit would still give those subsidies to Welsh

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farmers? Those dependent will still get that money? Any government worth

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its salt has food security at its heart. To underpin agriculture

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because we have a Common Agricultural Policy... Yes or no?

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You will need to continue to subsidise agriculture but we need to

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move to a position where you get more money from the marketplace.

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Every farmer I speak to want that goal and because of the way the

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Common Agricultural Policy works we have not moved in that direction and

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have become more dependent on subsidies. No farmer in Wales will

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be worse off? That is the guarantee you made. Farmers in Wales have had

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an extra ?30 million on the table because of the Brexit vault because

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of the devaluation of the pound against the euro. Exports are

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booming. I have not heard any of the detractors say we have got our

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calculations wrong. People saying we would have economic collapse, record

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unemployment and the country would go to the dogs. We have not had

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that. Let us have some apologies from them because I stand by every

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word I said and I will be heard to account. Let us have some apologies

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from people who misled the Welsh public and that referendum. Plenty

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of people cannot wait for Brexit and you are one of them. There are those

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who have doubts that it is more complicated than they thought and

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perhaps if there were to be a second referendum they would thought

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different make. What would your message be to people who maybe have

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regrets? The vote was 52-48. You cannot discount 48% of the

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electorate who voted to remain and we have to take as many people along

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this journey with us so we have a successful negotiation. We have a

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successful exit from the European Union. I believe we can do that but

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we must remember, especially from the Assembly point of view, that

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will voted out, and we have a Assembly that by is in denial of

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that result. You had Labour backbenchers castigating their own

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constituents for voting out. You had other Labour members standing up and

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seeing people would be slashing their wrists. Is that the language

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people should be using? No. The referendum was fought on June 23.

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Let's move on. We will deliver Brexit. Let us not look at our feet.

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Let's grab the great opportunities ahead. On immigration, Carwyn Jones

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has written to today's me to the decision to cut the numbers of

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unattended migrants and children travelling here. Do you agree with

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Theresa May or do you -- do you think there are too many children

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coming here? I believe in immigration and that it supports us

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culturally and economically. The referendum was about giving power

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back to politicians in this country to make the decisions that control

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immigration on our borders. We could well through the ballot box get a

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government that says we will take everyone. You back Theresa May? It

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is a wonderful thing called democracy. Theresa May of the Prime

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Minister of this country who has to make the decisions on immigration

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and she has made this particular decision. Do you back it? We are

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putting over ?1 billion into the Middle East to support refugee

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camps. We have a very good record and we have to make sure people stay

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as close to the country they have been displaced from so that

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eventually they can go back. Do you back her decision? The UK Government

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has a very good record when it comes to supporting refugees and making

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sure we are a home and sanctuary and we will continue to make sure that

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we offer those solutions and put the resources in place to support

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refugees. Do you back her decision when it comes to unattended

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children? I back her decision when it comes to the immigration choices

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she is making because it is for the whole country and we are putting

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money on the table to support refugee camps and are taking

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refugees and I believe immigration is positive economically, socially

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and culturally. Positive discrimination, quotas,

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all-female short lists, twinning, zipping -

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they've all been a part of the debate on how to encourage

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more women into In Wales' top 100 businesses, only

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2% of chief executives are women. In Westminster, of Wales' 40 MPs,

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just nine are women. Two years ago, in an

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attempt to address this imbalance, the WRU appointed its first

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female board member. Former businesswoman

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Aileen Richards has told us of her experience

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and how she would go about I joined in 1995 and it was a very

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different world. We had 10% of managers female. 25 years later it

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was 50%. That tells you about the level of change that is going on

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driven by what was the good organisation who recognised that you

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can run a better business and have better business results if you have

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a diverse set of leaders. Typically whether it is in sport, Parliament,

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business, there is still an underrepresentation but the good

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news as it is much greater than it was before but there is still some

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way to go. The board of Welsh rugby union is a board I sit on. I am a

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woman. There was some scepticism from the board members when I

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joined. Late in any new job you have to prove yourself, demonstrate you

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add value and make a contribution, and that leads to acceptance over

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time. It takes time because if you are going to develop females up,

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whether it is through a club or through an organisation or politics

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or whatever you have to create opportunities for them, give them

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experiences, give them development, and with women you have to give them

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confidence, mentoring and encouragement, because we know, all

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the research shows that women are less confident at standing for

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positions. In whatever field that is in. The belief of the WRU is that

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you have to have the right skills and we have recently done a big

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exercise in school profiling and the skills we need to be bored and where

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we are going to get them from and recognition that will be including

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women. That is absolute commitment that we have to drive a skills

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agenda, drive the diversity profile, not just women, and that has to lead

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to more women being represented on the board. The first thing, you have

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to persuade people, is that it is the right thing to do. There has to

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be belief that we will run a better board, business, Parliament,

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whatever, because it is more diverse. We have to take them with

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us through the power of persuasion because that is the right thing to

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do. I'm joined now by Cerys

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Furlong, the Chief Executive of ChwaraeTeg, a charity that

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promotes women's equality. How big a problem is this? I would

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agree with almost everything that Aileen said about behaviour change

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needed. Our concern is that the pace of change is too slow. It has taken

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134 years to get the first female onto the WRU board. The problem is

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across the board, whether it is in politics, chief executives, and on

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boards of companies in the private sector. Why? In the NHS 77% of the

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workforce are women and in management it is 10%. Why is there

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that block? There are a range of factors but simply put we conceive

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of leaders and leadership in the way that we are used to seeing it. If

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the current leaders are classic white male in the -- middle-aged we

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are predisposed to think of future leaders in the same model. What to

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do about it? Aileen suggesting it is about persuasion rather than the

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stick. Maybe it is not about quarters or all women short lists of

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twinning and slipping as some parties have done. What do you think

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of these mechanisms to promote women? There is no one silver bullet

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and no one intervention whether from the government or voluntary is going

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to make the breakthrough. I agree we need that behaviour change and we

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need to make the argument but we have been making that for decades

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and have not seen the change. We would support things like quotas as

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the necessary legislative nudge but hopefully as a short-term measure

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and when we get that mass of women representing the public and private

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sector that will not have to remain. They often cause rows, all women

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short lists, within the Labour Party for example, some of those women

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might feel they are only there because they had help, if you like.

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It is all about skills and women should compete on their skills base.

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You are saying that is almost utopia and we are not there yet. Yes, I do

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not buy that. Women compete on their skills but unfortunately when we are

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assessing those skills and looking for future leaders we are situating

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that within narrow mindset that is within our existing perception of

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what good leaders should be. Is it historical or is there sexism? There

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can be sexism but our research has shown that there sexism, we are not

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seeing that certainly in the work we have done around public

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appointments. We think we could get gender balance in this Assembly with

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some concerted effort around this. It is working with boards so that

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they aim for gender diversity explicitly and that might be around

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quotas but it is also about building a bigger pool of talent because we

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need to give women the confidence in their skills to be able to do it.

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What do women bring to a boardroom? Why do we need these skills? They

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are 50% of the population. No one woman is ever going to speak for all

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women. It is about increasing diversity across the piece but this

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is something we can do. We know it works. We know it increases the

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representation and we make better decisions for the people we work

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for. Is the political leadership there? We used to have 50% Assembly

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women leaders. The political drive is there but too often we are at the

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end not the means and if we want to get to the end we have to put the

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effort in and put the steps in place to get there.

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If you'd like to get in touch with us about what's been discussed

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tonight or anything else, email us at

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where the discussion continues - the hashtag is #TheWalesReport.

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