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-The 2017 Election campaign

-is in full flow.

-Manifestos have been published,

-candidates are knocking doors.

-We're with them in the race

-to 10 Downing Street.

-Last night,

-the Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru...

-..were challenged

-about their policies for Wales.

-Tonight, two more familiar faces

-are on the campaign trail.

-Do you really believe...

-What's Westminster going to do -

-keep all the money for England?

-That's what they usually do.

-Only one reference to Jeremy Corbyn.

-I'm sad, as are many delegates

-at this conference.

-First tonight, UKIP.

-The past year has been a

-rollercoaster for the purple party.

-They won Brexit but lost Farage.

-They won Assembly seats, then lost

-two before losing their only MP.

-What now for the self-proclaimed

-people's party?

-Here's Dylan Iorwerth.

-Yes, today there is a mystery

-to solve.

-Thousands and thousands of people

-seem to have disappeared.

-An entire race called PUKIPs -

-the people of UKIP.

-They've all disappeared,

-but where did they go?

-Until a few months ago,

-they were everywhere.

-Today, there are only

-a few Nuttalls left.

-We need to find out

-what happened to them.

-Are they in danger?

-I've heard that some clues

-have been found here.

-There are certainly

-plenty of bodies.

-Things are starting to make sense.

-Some were flattened

-trying to lift the weight.

-Someone else was meant to hold

-the bar but he did an Elis-Thomas...

-..and found new friends.

-The feet of thousands were crushed

-when Nigel dropped the dumbbells.

-And then running,

-especially running on Europe.

-The faster you go,

-the harder it is to hold on.

-You're not meant to push others

-off the running machine...

-..but it can happen sometimes.

-Exercising can be dangerous.

-The answer is a campaign

-to save pubs.

-Say it's better to invest money

-in the NHS than in foreign aid...

-..and of course, stop immigration,

-apart from Assembly Members.

-The only other answer

-is to hold on...

-..hope the others falter

-and wait for a second wind.

-Well, the mystery's been solved.

-What about the next instalment?

-Will they rise once more?

-Will there be a second wind

-in UKIP's campaign this year?

-Helen Mary Jones

-has been talking to the team.

-I'm Helen Mary Jones.

-I was a Plaid Cymru AM

-for over 10 years.

-I now work in the Third Sector.

-In this election,

-I want to find out more about UKIP.

-UKIP in Wales? I'm not so sure.

-Are they actually relevant

-after Brexit?

-UKIP and the Tories

-have the same message.

-What do they have to offer us

-in Wales?

-If this election is about Brexit...

-..as Theresa May justifies it...

-..then we need to have

-a big vote for UKIP...

-..to keep the Tories honest

-in effect.

-She was a Remainer, she didn't want

-the referendum in the first place.

-I honestly couldn't tell you...

-..but where's the difference

-between you and the Tories?

-There are loads of policies

-where we differ from the Tories.

-This is the challenge

-that UKIP has now got...

-..to establish its purpose.

-We've established ourselves as part

-of the domestic political scene.

-We are participating in debates

-on health and education...

-..which have been devolved to Wales.

-The challenge for us now

-post-Brexit...

-..is to imprint upon the mind

-of the average voter...

-..what UKIP stands for without

-having to explain it to them.

-I'm on my way to speak to the

-only candidate who speaks Welsh.

-I'm looking forward to

-locking horns with Ken Rees again.

-Hello, how are you?

-How are you, Ken? Nice to see you.

-There's a camera behind me!

-Righto. OK, thanks.

-What does UKIP have to offer Wales?

-Your leader, Neil Hamilton,

-he doesn't even live in Wales.

-How can Welsh people trust you

-on a political level?

-I'm as much of a Welshman

-as anyone in Plaid Cymru.

-I'm broader in my outlook because

-I can see beyond Offa's Dyke.

-I can see all the way up to Scotland

-and all the way down to Cornwall.

-I want every country

-to stand united...

-Even if Wales continues to suffer...

-..and we don't get our fair share

-from the government?

-We should get our share

-and when we're out of Europe...

-..we'll have a greater share...

-..because every pound we pay

-into Europe, we get 70p back.

-They decide

-where we spend that money.

-This is true for Great Britain

-but it's not true about Wales.

-Do you really believe...

-What's Westminster going to do -

-keep all the money for England?

-That's what they usually do.

-They won't get the chance.

-If we vote for UKIP MPs in Wales...

-..will they fight for Wales

-to receive its fair share?

-We'll get our share, not the share

-according to the Barnett Formula.

-I hope you don't expect me

-to post them through, Ken.

-What's UKIP's unique selling point?

-My heart is in the United Kingdom,

-to keep it united.

-The Conservative and Unionist

-parties want the same.

-Did they fight for Brexit?

-Some did. Boris Johnson fought

-for both sides at the same time.

-Theresa May was very quiet

-during the referendum campaign...

-..and after the referendum

-she declared...

-Don't tell me

-you don't trust her either!

-What will happen to UKIP

-during this election?

-I want to know what the people

-of Llanelli think about it.

-Have you considered

-supporting UKIP in the past?

-I haven't thought about it.

-I haven't thought about it.

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-What are your thoughts about UKIP?

-I think UKIP are good myself.

-The leader they've got is,

-his name is Nuttall.

-There we are, says it all.

-UKIP are a spent force.

-A flash in the pan.

-I don't trust any one of them.

-They're all the same.

-UKIP's candidates think

-they have a future in Wales...

-..and in Ken,

-they have an amiable candidate...

-..but I still didn't get

-the answers I wanted.

-What is the point of UKIP

-now that Brexit has been achieved?

-What is the point of UKIP...

-..now that Theresa May

-has taken many of their policies?

-What is the point of UKIP

-to the people of Wales?

-I think this will be UKIP's

-last election campaign in Wales.

-How does the people's party think

-it will regain the people's trust?

-I'm at their manifesto launch

-to interview Suzanne Evans.

-Our country needs

-a radical, social, economic...

-..and democratic change.

-The blueprint is here.

-All you have to do is vote for it.

-You've got your Brexit vote.

-What's the point of UKIP anymore?

-You heard at our manifesto launch...

-..there's so much more

-that UKIP stands for.

-We played a huge role in getting

-Brexit and that was our No.1 goal.

-We're delighted

-we're on our way to achieving it.

-We have to make sure Brexit happens.

-There are signs that Theresa May

-will be backsiding on Brexit.

-UKIP needs to be there

-as the guard dogs of Brexit...

-..to make sure we get out.

-You mentioned social cohesion

-and integration.

-How will you achieve it when you're

-making immigrants the problem?

-UKIP has never, ever

-made immigrants the problem.

-Journalists have tried

-to make out that we're making...

-You're telling people

-that immigration is a problem.

-We're telling people

-immigration is a problem.

-There's a difference in talking

-about the numbers of people...

-..coming into a country and saying

-you individually are a problem.

-You're targeting immigrants.

-Absolutely not.

-I would be the first person

-to speak out...

-..against anybody

-targeting immigrants.

-The problem is that the government

-has allowed immigration...

-..to spiral out of control.

-Sadly, there are people

-who start to attack immigrants.

-What UKIP wants to do is to give

-immigration its good name back...

-..by inviting the brightest

-and the best to Britain...

-..by inviting those

-who respect British values.

-The only way to give immigration its

-good name back again is to do that.

-The sooner that happens the better.

-How do you hope

-to improve integration...

-..when you intend to ban burkas

-which ignores differences...

-Would you like to wear one?

-Would you like to wear one?

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-It's not my personal choice.

-I appreciate other people's choice.

-It's not personal choice.

-I do actually do my research.

-I have a lot of contact with the

-Muslim community and I talk to them.

-The niqab

-is not a symbol of liberation.

-It is not a symbol

-of feminist power.

-This is an unmistakable...

-They don't have a choice

-if you ban it.

-There is no human right

-to conceal your identity.

-That is the other issue.

-It's not just about...

-There is a human right to religion.

-It's not Islamic.

-You're showing your ignorance.

-The veil is not Islamic.

-We've had imams in mosques around

-the country supporting our approach.

-One said you don't need a tribal rag

-on your face to worship God.

-His phrase, not mine.

-There are women

-in the Muslim community...

-..who feel as strongly against this

-as we do.

-We stand in solidarity

-with those women...

-..who are forced to wear the veil.

-How long will UKIP last as a party?

-Do you live and die by Brexit?

-How long is a piece of string?

-There is more of a need than ever

-for a third party in Britain...

-..that says something different to

-what the other parties are saying.

-We are the only party

-that wants to invest in defence...

-..the only party that's found

-real money, 11bn...

-..to invest in the NHS

-and social care.

-We're the only party that wants to

-scrap green levies on energy bills.

-A markedly different offering.

-People will see that what UKIP

-has to offer is different.

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you very much.

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-Pleasure. Thank you.

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-Welcome back.

-The red rose of Labour has dominated

-Wales for almost a century.

-The party has won a majority

-in every election since 1922.

-The beginning of the election

-campaign sprung a shock...

-..with forecasts of the Tories

-taking Wales.

-What are the challenges for Labour

-today? Here's Dylan Iorwerth.

-Having nightmares and not being able

-to sleep is a terrible experience.

-It's even worse when you wake up

-and realise it wasn't a nightmare.

-Wherever Carwyn goes,

-the nightmare follows him...

-..however hard he tries to pretend

-it doesn't exist.

-He remembers performing Macbeth

-in school.

-The story about Banquo's spirit

-returning during a feast.

-This spirit is very much alive.

-He remembers the old days when

-the Welsh wanted clear red water...

-..between them and Labour in London.

-Right now, a drop or two of

-cloudy pink water would do nicely.

-Another nightmare is climate change

-as the sea of blue rises constantly.

-Hiding your head in the sand

-doesn't work anymore...

-..because the sand has gone.

-The answer is the boys in blue.

-Give Wales the right

-to control the police.

-That will guarantee 10m

-for the investment fund.

-Promise miracles -

-a devolution bill which makes sense.

-Not one but two manifestos.

-If you don't like this one,

-you can vote for him.

-Then you'll have him or him.

-Three slogans

-to rescue Welsh Labour.

-Don't Mention Jeremy.

-Cor-bin!

-For The Many Not The Few.

-The question at the end

-of the campaign is...

-..will Carwyn be saying phew?

-Is there an end to the nightmare

-for Carwyn and Corbyn?

-Liberal peer Roger Roberts

-spent the day with the Labour party.

-I'm like a fly on the wall

-at Welsh Labour's manifesto launch.

-It's such a pity to see

-the Labour party divided.

-And it is divided.

-Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have

-the support of half his team...

-..in Westminster.

-I'm here to see

-what they have to offer for Wales.

-Are you part of this Liberals

-For Labour mob organisation?

-No. No, I'm not. No.

-I saw your name on the headed paper.

-Somebody's going to get

-a solicitor's letter.

-It's a pleasure to be in Northop...

-..on this campus

-and in this college once again.

-Our Welsh manifesto

-is an ambitious plan...

-..of what Welsh Labour

-can do together...

-..working in the Assembly

-and Westminster.

-Unlike the Tories, we stand ready

-to deliver on the big projects...

-..that will get our economy moving.

-The Tories have done nothing

-to advance Welsh infrastructure.

-They'll do nothing for the next five

-years if they're given the chance.

-Only one reference to Jeremy Corbyn.

-I'm sad, as are many delegates

-at this conference.

-Why was there no mention

-of Jeremy Corbyn?

-There are references to

-Jeremy Corbyn in the manifesto...

-..but we are Welsh Labour.

-One thing that's very important

-with devolution...

-..is that we have more confidence

-and a stronger identity.

-That's wonderful.

-Jeremy Corbyn is your leader.

-You would have been far happier

-had Carwyn said...

-..we have

-a Prime Minister in waiting...

-..in Jeremy Corbyn and everyone

-would applaud, but it didn't happen.

-This is Welsh Labour's manifesto.

-Can I also say, more importantly...

-..we don't want to see Theresa May

-returning with a landslide victory.

-That's so, so important.

-I'm reading their policies

-but I can't find anything new.

-They do propose to introduce

-a new bank...

-..but there's nothing there

-to fire you up...

-..nothing to ignite you,

-nothing visionary.

-I live in Llandudno.

-It's a wonderful town.

-It attracts many visitors.

-I want to ask local people their

-views on the forthcoming election.

-What do they think of Jeremy Corbyn

-and the Labour party?

-I think he's dangerous.

-Dangerous?

-He wants to get rid

-of nuclear weapons...

-..but keep the submarines

-which carry them.

-Corbyn? Death of the Labour party.

-I'd rather Jeremy Corbyn

-than Theresa May.

-I'm voting Labour.

-I'm a Labour man to the core.

-You like Corbyn?

-I don't like him

-but I'm voting Labour.

-I have the manifesto in my hands.

-I've had a look through it.

-It hasn't been costed properly.

-Compare the cost

-of federal Labour's manifesto...

-..and Welsh Labour's manifesto.

-It's almost like a letter to Santa.

-The sad thing is

-you need an united party...

-..to present a manifesto like this.

-That wasn't evident today.

-You need an opposition

-to stand up to the Tory government.

-We didn't see that today.

-The leader of the Labour party

-since 2015 is Jeremy Corbyn.

-Despite some attempts

-to overthrow him, he's still here.

-Can he go one step further

-and reach No.10?

-I asked a member of his

-shadow cabinet, Kier Starmer.

-You and others in your party

-have questioned...

-..whether Corbyn's the right man

-to lead Labour.

-If you can't back your own man,

-why should the electorate back him?

-Jeremy won the leadership twice

-in the Labour Party.

-Ever since I've backed him

-and been in his shadow cabinet.

-Why should he be Prime Minister?

-We need a government

-that invests in people...

-..in the economy,

-that holds out hope for the future.

-Is Jeremy Corbyn the man to do that?

-Look what's happening

-in this campaign.

-Of course he is.

-How do you respond to the fact...

-..that Corbyn's speech

-after the Manchester attack...

-..linked what happened there

-to foreign policy?

-Carwyn Jones

-said there was no link...

-..between Manchester

-and the rest of the world.

-Jeremy was making a wider point

-on foreign policy.

-Is there a link?

-There's always a link between

-any foreign policy and what goes on.

-It's wrong in the context

-of Manchester to blame anyone...

-..other than the person

-that detonated the bomb.

-Why isn't there a promise in

-the manifesto to reduce immigration?

-We've said we need

-a fair immigration system.

-Which doesn't mean reducing it.

-We're going into a period...

-..where freedom of movement

-in the EU will go.

-That means

-we need new immigrations rules.

-We set out the principles upon

-which we would deal with that.

-You can't promise to reduce it.

-In so far as immigration

-is driven by a skill shortage...

-..of course we want it to come down.

-We need a skill strategy

-that works for the UK.

-We don't want to see exploitation.

-People want a party that promises

-to reduce migration. It's not you.

-Let's look at the Tory promise

-of tens of thousands...

-..that's been their position

-for seven years.

-It is coming down.

-It is coming down.

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-They've never achieved it.

-If they do ever achieve it,

-it would cause economic damage.

-Wales have given Labour a majority

-in every election since 1922.

-Why should Wales back you again when

-it's the poorest part of the UK?

-It's true,

-Labour's done well in Wales.

-I hope they will continue

-to do well in Wales.

-We're at a turning point,

-post-Brexit...

-..in a different European world.

-We want the right outcome

-for the UK and Wales.

-We've got a Welsh Assembly doing

-great things on behalf of Labour.

-One thing that's important

-in the manifesto...

-..is this looking again

-at devolution and where power is.

-Power and resource has to be

-better spread across the UK.

-If you don't win on June 8,

-should Jeremy Corbyn step down?

-What happens after June 8 is a

-discussion we'll have after June 8.

-We are behind Jeremy

-in seeking to win on June 8.

-Keir Starmer, thank you.

-That's it for tonight.

-In the final programme, Sian James

-will challenge the Conservatives...

-..and former footballer, Owain

-Tudur Jones returns to Scotland...

-..to see if the SNP

-have upped their game.

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