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-# Let us go to his gracious throne | 0:00:00 | 0:00:06 | |
-# Let us raise... # | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
-According to a recent review... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
-..over half the British -population are atheists. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
-Tonight, we ask if this -is the beginning of the end... | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
-..for Christianity in Wales? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
-The plain truth is -this is the end of a chapter. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
-When a chapter ends, -some things stop for good. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
-We reveal new statistics -which highlight the fall... | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
-..in membership -amongst the main denominations. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
-The way we worship... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
-..and gather together as Christians -is coming to an end. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
-As our chapels and churches empty... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
-..we ask if Wales -is losing its faith. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
-It's not looking good for you -right now. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
-You're right. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
-Questions were raised in 1990 -that were raised in 1980. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
-How do we face -the statistical decline? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
-You're failing right now. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
-You're failing right now. - -I think we are. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
-Capel y Graig, Machynlleth. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
-Since 1789... | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
-..this has been home -to the Independents in the town. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
-Today, the Bible leaves the pulpit -for the final time. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
-Things have come to a head. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
-We decided about two years ago -that we had to close. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
-Unfortunately, the only option -for us was to close the chapel. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
-Today is the final service, -the dissolution service. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
-I declare in their names... | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-..that the covenant -made by the founders... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
-..to establish -a congregational church... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
-..has been annulled. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
-No services have been held -in the chapel since January 2016. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
-Today, the service is being held -in the vestry. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
-I can remember the wonderful sounds -from this chapel... | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
-..of the cymanfaoedd of yesteryear. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
-It's a sad situation and a situation -that's becoming more common. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
-Eternal God, -we come to thee in prayer... | 0:02:25 | 0:02:32 | |
-..as generations before us -came to you. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
-After more than -two centuries of worship... | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-..the doors of the chapel -will close for the final time. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-As we come to share bread and wine -together... | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
-..Mairlynne, -can you help me share the bread? | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
-I will publically state... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-..that this service -would have happened years ago... | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
-..without Mair's perseverance -and hard work. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
-There are no members -attending the chapel. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
-We have to pay for the upkeep -of the chapel. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
-That's the two main factors. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
-There are no officers or trustees. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
-Unfortunately, -it's become impossible to carry on. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
-Do this in remembrance of me. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
-It's a very sad day. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
-That's the situation we face -and it's impossible to carry on. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
-Many other chapels and churches -have closed down in recent years. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
-I tried to measure -the size of the decline. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
-I asked for figures from the Church -in Wales, the Catholic Church... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
-..and some of Wales' -main nonconformist denominations... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
-..the Independents, -Presbyterians and Baptists. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
-I wanted to measure the strength -of Christianity in Wales today. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
-According to the figures -we received... | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-..over 350 Welsh worship houses -have closed over the past decade. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
-In Talysarn, Nantlle Vale, -six chapels and churches... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
-..used to open their doors -in a village of 2,000 people. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
-I visited Talysarn -and met former MP Betty Williams. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
-She's sad to see -five places of worship closed. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
-Look at the state of Capel Mawr. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-There were a lot of worshippers -in Capel Mawr and Capel Seion. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
-Both are two-storey buildings. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
-The Baptist chapel, Capel Salem... | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
-..that's also two-storey. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
-Capel Moreia, the Wesleyan chapel, -used to be here. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
-It also had a chapel house. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
-Betty Williams is a chapel elder -in Seion. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
-It's the only chapel -that remains open here. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
-The village has changed. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
-When I walk to chapel on Sunday, -I might not see anyone. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
-I used to see and greet -the other people attending chapel. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
-We all knew each other -and took an interest in each other. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
-The hustle and bustle of life -has taken over. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
-Seion Independent chapel -has 16 members. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
-Only six -are in the congregation today. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
-We're not a large group -but we are close. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
-If there's something to do, -we'll all help. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
-It's a worry that we're not -attracting younger members. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
-That's my main worry. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
-The chapel has no Sunday school -or minister. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
-The worshippers are determined -to persevere. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
-We're the older generation -but we are committed. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
-What will happen when the older -generation are no longer here? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
-I can't answer that. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
-That make us sad -but it makes us want to battle on... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
-..while we can. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
-We can't do more than that. -We're doing as much as we can. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
-The headquarters of the Union -of Welsh Independents is in Swansea. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
-Two point six. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
-The union is trying -to make Christianity attractive... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
-..in the modern age. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
-This sound is being recorded -for a new app. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-Being a hero means going on an -adventure and discovering stories... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
-..to share in Ancora. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
-The Arwyr Ancora app is available -for smartphones and tablets. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
-It gives children an opportunity -to play games... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-..and learn about Jesus. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
-Choose your character below. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
-Welcome to Ancora. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
-I hope it grabs the imagination -of our youngsters... | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-..and I hope we can convince -the parents. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
-As a parent, I know how much -children play these modern devices. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
-This will introduce the story -of Jesus in the most up-to-date way. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:27 | |
-Beti-Wyn James is the minister -at Y Priordy chapel in Carmarthen. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
-The chapel has taken steps -to modernise. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
-The elders' pew has been removed -and TV screens have been installed. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
-Beti-Wyn James uses contemporary -methods in her services. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
-According to Beti-Wyn, the chapel -is flourishing with 200 members... | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
-..but she doesn't want to place -too much emphasis on numbers... | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
-..when measuring -the importance of chapels. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-We've begun to measure success -in terms of numbers... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
-..but it doesn't always ring true -in this context. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
-I have two other chapels -with smaller congregations. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
-I doubt I'll see a congregation -as large as this in the other two... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
-..but they are close communities -and important in their localities. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
-Over the past two years, four -chapels in Carmarthen have closed. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
-Beti-Wyn insists that -Christianity has a role to play... | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
-..in people's lives. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
-The chapels have been convenient -places to worship... | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
-..but when chapels close, we must -safeguard the chapel's society. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
-Often, when chapels close, -it's down to dwindling membership. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
-Dwindling membership, yes. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
-Even when there is good membership, -the commitment isn't always there. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
-It's important to safeguard -the membership we have... | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
-..and ensure that they -are eager to continue... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
-..after the cause they were -a part of has closed. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-After the service, Beti-Wyn James -joined be in Carmarthen town centre. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-I wanted to know if people there -used to attend a chapel or church. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
-We're asking if you've attended -a chapel or church today. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
-No? Why haven't you been? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
-No time. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
-What do you do on Sundays? | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
-What do you do on Sundays? - -Go shopping. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-You prefer shopping. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
-Sometimes I attend church. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
-Why don't you go every Sunday? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-I don't know, it's finding the time. -You know how it is, busy life. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-She's asked to go, haven't you? | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
-Many of her friends want to go. -She'll go with friends. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
-No, I haven't been, sorry. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
-Did you used to go? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
-When I was younger, her age. -I don't go anymore. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
-Why did you stop going? -Was there a reason? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
-It didn't do anything for me. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-In Carmarthen on a Sunday morning... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-..shopping and sport was the -religion of those who spoke to us. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
-I wouldn't be happy if someone felt -they couldn't attend if they wanted. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
-We can't force them. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
-Our aim is to ensure -that the Church is a community... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
-..with its doors flung open... | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
-..and a community where everyone, -whatever their background... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
-..whatever their ability, -can be part of it. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
-People know there's a community -and a welcome in the Church... | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
-..but there's nothing there -that interests them. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
-Does that concern you? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
-It's a challenge for us. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
-It's a challenge for us -to present the gospel... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
-..in a more interesting way... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-..but however interestingly -you present the gospel... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-..it's still a difficult challenge. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-It's the same as trying to get me -to watch a football match. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
-I have no interest in it -and I won't go. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
-In Part 2, we reveal worrying new -statistics highlighting a decline... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
-..in the membership -of Christian denominations in Wales. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-I ask the leaders -of the denominations... | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
-..if they're doing enough -to keep the flame burning brightly. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
-Is it not a failure on your part, -and other denominations... | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
-..that you haven't been able -to sustain the congregations... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
-..and attract people -through the doors? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-It's not our role -to sustain past traditions. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
-Our task is to make the -Christian faith relevant today. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:04 | |
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-It's Sunday morning. -Dafydd Iwan is on his way to preach. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
-He supports merging -nonconformist denominations... | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
-..after seeing chapels closing -and congregations dwindling. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
-I don't do a head count. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-If I did, my heart would have -been broken a long time ago. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
-I'm pleasantly -surprised sometimes... | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
-..because, often, I travel far -to preach to a congregation of six. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:49 | |
-At other times, -that six can turn into 25. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
-Everyone can see -the decline happening. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
-He's worried that very few people -have responded to the decline... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
-..or the closure -of churches and chapels. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
-Numbers are dwindling, the age -of the congregation is increasing... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
-..and you have to ask the question. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
-What will be here -in ten years' time? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
-How much of a decline has there been -over the past few years? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-I checked the most -recent membership figures... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
-..for the Church in Wales, -the Catholic Church... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
-..and the nonconformist -denominations. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
-Each one had lost at least -half their members since 1990. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
-Statistics show that only -4% of the Welsh population... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
-..are members of a church -or the main denominations. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-I asked Dafydd Iwan -for his response to our research. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
-What do you make of the statistics -in these documents? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
-Very disheartening, -very frightful to be honest. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-Then again, it's not a surprise. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
-This is the picture I see regularly -when I preach on Sundays. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-One interesting thing -I can see in these figures... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
-..is the belief that chapels -were suffering more than churches. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
-According to the figures... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-..the decline has affected -everyone the same. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
-There's been a dramatic decline -across the spectrum... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
-..for all the denominations -and all the churches. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
-Bangor Cathedral attracts 200 people -on a normal Sunday. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
-Even though it attracts -a healthy congregation... | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
-..the Church has lost ground. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
-Since 2006, -over 100 Welsh churches have closed. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
-Almost another 100 -are not being used. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
-Bishop Andy John says -the Church in Wales... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
-..needs to be more relevant. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
-If I regret anything... | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-..I regret this. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
-We should have had the discussion -we're having today 20 years ago. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
-It's our fault, -the people leading the Church. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
-We could all see the statistics... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
-..but we might not have been -radical enough. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
-The Church in Wales -manages to attract more people... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
-..than any of -the nonconformist denominations. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
-Latest figures show 45,759 members -on their electoral list. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
-There were almost 100,000 -back in 1990. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
-As part of their 2020 Vision plan... | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
-..the Church published this report -in 2012. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
-According to the report, -the Church had to act quickly... | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
-..to continue to influence -Welsh public life. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
-The Bishop of Bangor -is one of those responsible... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-..for implementing -the recommendation. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
-Do you think the plan has worked? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-On the whole, yes. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-There are simple things -in the report... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
-..but the more substantial aspects -are challenging the Church. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
-We need to modernise -the way we work. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
-We're changing slowly -but we must move forward... | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
-..and ensure we don't go back -to our old ways. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
-You said in 2012 that you were -giving yourselves three years. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
-During that three-year period, -you lost an extra 10,000 members. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
-It suggests that the plan -hasn't been a success. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
-I think the declining membership -will level out. | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
-I don't think the Church is in -crisis but there is a challenge... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
-..to ensure we can sustain -whatever we start. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
-That's one of the greatest -challenges for the Church. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
-We don't want to start things -just to see them fail. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
-We must ensure we can continue. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
-The Baptists face -the same challenge. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
-In 1990, they had 28,713 members. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
-They have 10,231 members this year. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
-It's a fall of almost two-thirds. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
-That's a really good idea, isn't it? | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
-Wouldn't it be nice -to put flowers on Jesus's grave? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
-Judith Morris is the general -secretary of the Baptists Union. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
-She invited me to a summer school -in Salem, Tonteg, near Pontypridd. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:04 | |
-190 of the denomination's chapels -have closed since the early-'90s. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
-According to Judith Morris, some, -like this one, are flourishing. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:16 | |
-To be honest, I'm sure more chapels -will have to close their doors... | 0:18:16 | 0:18:22 | |
-..but our role -is to try and help those chapels... | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
-..to keep the faith alive. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
-Isn't your role attracting -new members through the doors... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
-..to keep the chapels open? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
-The union's work is to support -and encourage our chapels. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
-That hasn't been happening. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
-Membership is dwindling - -have you done your work properly? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
-These are different times. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
-We live in the shadow of the past... | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
-..when congregations -were in their hundreds. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-Our situation has changed. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
-Some denominations have felt -that change more than others. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
-The denomination that's seen the -greatest decline in membership... | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
-..since 1990 is the Presbyterians. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
-Back then, -they had 61,616 members in Wales. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
-Today, that number has fallen -to 19,818, a fall of 68%. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:22 | |
-You have around 20,000 members -in Wales. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
-You've witnessed a major decline -over the past 25 years. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
-What does the future hold for -your denomination in 15 years' time? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
-I think... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
-..it's a crisis now, in a way... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
-..that people living two generations -ago would never have imagined. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
-Of course, in our generation, -it's a crisis that's far too common. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:54 | |
-Moving forward, I think -the Welsh Presbyterian Church... | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
-..will have to take -a long look at how we operate... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
-..what are our expectations, -what we think we can do... | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
-..and what we'll have to surrender. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
-Strategically, -we need to target certain areas... | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
-..and accept that in some areas, -others are being more successful. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
-At the turn of the century... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
-..there were moves to merge -the nonconformist denominations. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-Those moves were unsuccessful. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
-Some encourage cooperation but -the denominations remain apart... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
-..and continue to weaken. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
-The Independents -have dislodged the Presbyterians... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
-..as Wales' most popular -nonconformist denomination. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
-According to the Independents Union, -they have 22,290 members. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
-That's a fall of 57% -since the early-'90s.. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
-Isn't it a failure on your part and -other Christian leaders in Wales... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
-..that you've not been able -to retain your congregations... | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
-..or attract new members? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
-No, our role isn't to sustain -the tradition of the past. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
-Our task is to make -the Christian faith relevant today. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
-Are you failing in that respect with -less people attending your services? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
-You're seeing the end of the old era -and the beginning of a new era. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
-We have a foot in each camp. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
-Back in Machynlleth, the old era -is over for Capel Y Graig. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
-With sorrow and sadness... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
-..we cannot continue to say, -with Dafydd Iwan... | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-..that Capel y Graig is still here. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
-Since its formation, -14 ministers have served the chapel. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-The final service is an -emotional one for the 14th minister. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
-As it happens, -there have been 14 ministers... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
-..since seventeen eighty-something. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-I'm the last of the 14. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
-That adds a little... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
-..to the sadness. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
-Someone said that though the chapels -were made of stone and mortar... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:27 | |
-..this is where people were raised. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
-As she closes the door -for the final time... | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
-..Mairlynne Davies is worried -that her town and generation... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
-..is losing its Christian faith. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-There's a lot of apathy -and we can't attract the youngsters. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
-The future doesn't look bright... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
-..unless we can attract -the children and youngsters. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
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