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-The Welsh Government -has been holding a consultation... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
-..on the Welsh Language Bill. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
-Tonight, we have our own -consultation about the language. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
-We've been talking to people -on the streets. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
-The more money invested into -the Welsh language the better. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
-It's our mother tongue. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
-If we don't look after our language, -what hope do we have as a nation? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
-I speak to a controversial author... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
-..who believes investing -in the language is a waste of money. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
-The Welsh language is declining. -You cannot argue against that. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
-Isn't that more of a reason -to spend... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
-That's less of a reason to spend -more money, less of a reason. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
-I ask Alun Davies how he hopes to -achieve 1m Welsh speakers by 2050. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:53 | |
-Invest in the workforce, invest -to promote the Welsh language. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-Build a structure that will -deliver more Welsh speakers. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
-Tonight, the future of the language. -What's the bill? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
-The past few months have been -turbulent for the Welsh language... | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
-..with a number of scandals -hitting the headlines. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
-In September, in Lampeter, one young -mother had an unexpected experience. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
-I was walking around the shop... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
-..telling Elena the names -of the fruit in Welsh. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
-A woman came up to me and said, "Why -are you speaking that foreign muck? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
-"You should be speaking English." | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
-Elin T Jones is a town councillor. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
-Having lived in Lampeter -for eight years... | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-..she's familiar -with the town and its people. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
-It was a big shock. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
-Most people living here can speak -at least a couple of words of Welsh. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
-You hear it every day -all around you. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
-It was a shock when someone told me -not to speak Welsh in Lampeter. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
-A month earlier, -there was another language storm. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
-This time a well-known high street -name caused some controversy. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
-In August, there were protests -outside Sports Direct in Bangor... | 0:02:20 | 0:02:26 | |
-..after reports that staff -had been told by letter... | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
-..that they should only -speak English... | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
-..to each other and to customers. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
-Sports Direct apologised -for what they described... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-..as a misunderstanding. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
-The Welsh Language Commissioner -met company officials... | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-..and encouraged them to devise -a plan that promotes Welsh. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
-Days after -the Sports Direct incident... | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
-..a TV debate about the language -caused great consternation... | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
-..and attracted -countless complaints. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
-What's the point in all the money? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
-The comments of author Julian Ruck -on the Newsnight programme... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
-..incensed thousands of people. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
-I wanted to know -why he felt like this... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
-..so I met the man -who made the headlines. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
-Anybody should be entitled to speak -whatever language they choose. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
-I'm not slamming the Welsh language. -What I'm slamming is the cost. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
-The cost of the Welsh language -is another product... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
-..of the inefficient -Welsh administration we have. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
-It is wasting money hand over fist. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
-Julian Ruck was born -and raised in Swansea. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
-He spent 30 years -living and working in England... | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
-..before settling -in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
-He can't speak Welsh and refers to -the language as a "foreign tongue". | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
-You're asking why, in a situation -where we're facing austerity.... | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
-..money should be spent -on a foreign tongue. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
-It's not a foreign tongue -to everybody else. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-Stop talking about everybody else -as if it's the whole of Wales. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
-It's a small minority -that speaks Welsh. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-On Newsnight, he questioned -the spending on Welsh broadcasting. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
-He questions whether the numbers -who watch and listen... | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
-..justifies the millions -being spent on it. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
-Each year, S4C receives 74.5m -from the TV licence... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:35 | |
-..and a 6.8m grant -from the Westminster Government. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
-76m for what? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
-For the programmes... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
-A lot of the programmes... -Wait a minute. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
-A lot of the programmes -don't have any viewers at all. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
-That's fact. Right, that's fact. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
-That's not fact. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
-That's not fact. - -It is fact. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
-Julian, you're quoting percentage -figures and audience share figures. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
-That isn't zero viewers. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
-There are programmes on S4C, -right... | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-..that they can't figure out -how many people are viewing. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
-Why is that? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
-I met the Chair -of S4C's Authority Huw Jones... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
-..to ask for his response -to Julian Ruck's claims. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
-According to S4C's research, -71% of adults Welsh speakers... | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
-..watch the channel every week. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
-Some, like Julian Ruck, claim that -some programmes have no viewers. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
-S4C's viewing figures -during daytime hours... | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
-..show some truth in that claim. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
-Claiming that no-one watches S4C -is incorrect, it's nonsense. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
-How do you know that? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
-Over 600,000 viewers tune in -to S4C every week of the year. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
-Last week, at midday according -to the figures we have... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
-..the number of viewers were zero, -2.00pm zero.... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
-..4.00pm zero. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-There are problems when these -are the figures, Huw Jones. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
-No. It depends entirely -on that programme. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
-As you know, we broadcast many -repeats during daytime hours. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:27 | |
-That's a more valuable service -than putting a test card up. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
-It gives people the opportunity -to watch that programme... | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
-..and it costs next to nothing -to us to broadcast them. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
-That's not the correct measure -to see if people use the service. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
-The correct measure -is how many use the service... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-..at some point -during the week or month. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
-How important is S4C -in the lives of Welsh people? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-I asked the people -of Bangor, Lampeter and Aberystwyth. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
-Do you watch S4C's programmes? -How many programmes do you watch? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
-Not many at the moment. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-I feel that there are -too many repeats. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
-Do you watch S4C? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
-You do a bit. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
-What do you watch on S4C? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
-What do you watch on S4C? - -Pobol y Cwm! | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
-Do you speak Welsh? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
-Do you speak Welsh? - -No. I watch it on a Sunday night. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
-Do you watch S4C? | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
-Do you watch S4C? - -Occasionally, every now and then. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
-No, I wouldn't say -I'm a regular viewer of S4C. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
-From day to day, I don't get much -of a chance to watch TV anyway. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
-I don't watch S4C. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-They need to produce -more programmes for young people. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:50 | |
-Hiya, Ponis. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
-Let's do this. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
-According to S4C, that's -precisely what they've done... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
-..with their Hansh service. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-They say that the service -has had a million views... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
-..over the past two months. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
-They say that 20% -of all Welsh viewers... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
-..watched the Wales v Republic -of Ireland game on S4C recently. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
-According to Huw Jones, S4C is key -to the future of the language. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
-If you're so important -to our future... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
-..where have you been -for the past decade... | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
-..supporting and promoting -the Welsh language? | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
-TV and radio, mass media... | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-..are crucial to the future -of any language. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
-We should be turning -that question on its head. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
-Can you imagine a situation... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
-..where we don't have mass media -in the Welsh language... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-..where we don't have -Welsh language signs or education? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
-That's the situation -in other countries. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
-The future of those languages -is very fragile. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
-I'm sure of one thing. | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
-S4C's existence provides a voice, -and oxygen if you'd like... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
-..to the Welsh language -every day of the week. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
-Education is another key area... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-..if the Government wants -a million Welsh speakers by 2050. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
-I know an English-speaking father -in Cardiff... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
-..who's waiting to hear if his -daughter, who's in nursery school... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
-..will be given a place -in a Welsh-medium primary school. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-No parent should be -in that position in Wales. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
-Three weeks ago in Cardiff, -Cymdeithas Yr Iaith called... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
-..for more Welsh-language education -for children in the city. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
-Local authorities -have been given targets... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
-..to increase their -Welsh language education provision. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
-By 2040, -71% of children in Cardiff... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
-..will be offered -Welsh-language education. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
-At the moment, it's only 15%. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-Only 15% of children -in our capital city... | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
-..are being given -Welsh-language education. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-According to the society, -Cardiff County and City councils... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
-..have to act quickly -to realise the Government's target. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
-They want another 10 Welsh-medium -primary schools in Cardiff by 2022. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
-There are costs involved -in building schools. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
-We've heard of a school being built -but it's an English-medium school. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
-Parents are driving past -10 English-medium schools... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
-..to reach a Welsh-medium school. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
-If that was a Welsh school, -it would be used. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
-The costs are an investment. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-The society is calling -for an increase across Wales. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
-They want to see every child -given Welsh language education. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
-According to Assembly statistics... | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
-..16% of Welsh children -attended Welsh-medium schools. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
-Another 10% attended -bilingual schools... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
-..which had significant -Welsh-medium provision. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
-Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr near Swansea. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-Cesia Rees is one of 935 pupils -taught through the medium of Welsh. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:21 | |
-Only a third of pupils -come from Welsh-speaking homes. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
-You get so many opportunities -when you can speak Welsh. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-You can compete in the Eisteddfod, -you can sing. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-You understand Wales' culture more -than if you don't speak Welsh. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:39 | |
-15-year-old Cesia -is studying for her GCSEs. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-I like modern languages. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
-Being able -to speak two languages already... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
-..when you learn to speak -French and Spanish... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
-..there are loads of similarities -with Welsh. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
-Learning languages -is so much easier. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
-Lynne Rees is a GP and her husband, -Tim, is a solicitor. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
-Even though -they don't speak Welsh... | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
-..they believe that the decision... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
-..to send their children -to Welsh schools was justified. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
-I do have a friend -who is totally convinced... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
-..that my children have missed a -whole something in primary school. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
-While they were doing Welsh, -they missed out on something else. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
-I haven't persuaded that person -that they haven't. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
-With my children having gone -through the school... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
-..it's obvious from their exam -results and they're off to uni... | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
-..that they haven't missed out -on History, Geography or whatever. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
-They've gained Welsh -as well as everything else. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
-Over the past 30 years... | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
-..there's been an increase in -Welsh language education in Swansea. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
-English speaking parents are -benefiting from the opportunities... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
-..they didn't have as children. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
-There are now two Welsh secondary -and 11 Welsh primary schools. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
-Even if my children were -to be working in England... | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
-..and not using Welsh -to any great degree... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
-..they will have still benefitted in -terms of stretching their minds... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
-..their lack on any fear -of different languages... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
-..their ability to communicate, -their flexibility... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-..and their access -to Welsh culture... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
-..to a greater extent than -I experienced as I was growing up. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
-The Welsh Government aims to offer -Welsh language education... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
-..to 40% of children by 2050. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-Cesia is proud -of the education she has had... | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
-..but it doesn't mean she always -speaks Welsh to her friends. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
-In school, I speak Welsh -to some of my friends. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
-They're the ones -from Welsh-speaking families. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
-They like speaking Welsh. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-It's good to practise your Welsh -with those friends. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-Mostly, though, we speak English. -Yeah. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
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-The Welsh Government -recently started a consultation... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
-..on the Welsh Language Bill -White Paper | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
-Tonight, we have our own -consultation on the Welsh language. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
-We wanted to know how much Welsh is -heard on the streets around Wales. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
-A lot of people speak Welsh -in Holyhead and Caernarfon. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
-A little in Bangor -but it's on the decline. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
-I speak Welsh to Nain, -but not in school. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
-Most people speak Welsh. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
-Can you live your life in Welsh? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
-Can you live your life in Welsh? - -If you want. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
-My generation of Welsh speakers, -my friends, we're safe. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
-We need to be worried -about the next generation. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
-We have to do something -about it now. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
-Once you lose the language, -you lose the language. It's gone. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
-The Welsh Government's aim during -the White Paper consultation... | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
-..is to try and ensure -strong leadership and structure... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
-..to promote and normalise -the use of the language. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-The Paper is being supported -beyond the corridors of power. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
-Cynog Dafis is a member -of Dyfodol I'r Iaith. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
-He's a former MP and AM -for Plaid Cymru. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
-He's been impressed -by the Labour Government's efforts. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
-It's evident now that within -the Welsh Government... | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
-..we have people who understand... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-..the importance -of promoting the language. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
-They understand -what needs to be done | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
-It's good to see that happening -maybe for the first time... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
-..since Devolution began. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-What we need now... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
-..during the process of passing -the Bill in the Assembly... | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
-..during the consultation... | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
-..that sums are placed -beside the different requirements. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
-With headlines -linked to the strategy... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
-..sums of money which show -that these matters... | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
-..are being taken seriously -with effective steps being taken. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
-Then we can see -how much money is required. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
-It will be higher than the sum -being spent right now. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
-A little over a week ago -in Aberystwyth... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-..the Government held a consultation -session on the White Paper. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
-Alun Davies, the Welsh Language -Minister, attended the event. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
-However, Cymdeithas Yr Iaith members -were critical of the decision... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
-..to abolish the role -of the Welsh Language Commissioner. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
-Do you have confidence in what -the minister is trying to do? | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
-No, the target of having -a million Welsh speakers is good... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-..but we're not working properly -towards achieving it. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
-It's one thing to set a target. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
-It's another matter -to actually reach it. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
-What I'm seeing now, especially -if the Commissioner's role goes... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
-..is a step backwards. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
-By abolishing the role... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
-..the Government intends -to establish a commission... | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
-..to monitor -Welsh language standards. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
-According to Cymdeithas Yr Iaith... | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
-..the plans endanger -the language's situation... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
-..and weaken the rights -of Welsh speakers. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
-Our slogan is -bin the bill and start again. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
-There are fundamental weaknesses -in the bill. We need to start again. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:50 | |
-As the consultation ends, how does -Alun Davies justify his choices... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
-..especially his intention -to abolish the role... | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-..of the Commissioner, Meri Huws? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
-The Commissioner's only been -in her role for five years. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-Is it too early to abolish the role? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-We're looking at the legislation. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-It's something that happens -regularly after five years. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-We're looking at how the legislation -is being implemented... | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
-..and the impact of the legislation. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
-Are you saying that you're not happy -with the Commissioner's work? | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
-Not at all. -I'm building on that work. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
-In practical terms, -you want to change the role. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
-We want to take it a step further. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
-Since taking over the role -in May 2016... | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
-..he has undertaken a review -of Welsh language education... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
-..in an attempt to double -the number of Welsh speakers. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
-Is the target of a million -Welsh speakers by 2050 realistic? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:53 | |
-Yes, but everything must change. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-I have little patience with people -who want the current structure. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
-The current structure -won't achieve the results. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-Everything must change. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
-The Government has to change -the way it operates. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
-Carwyn and myself were agreed -when we discussed this last year. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
-We wanted to set a target -that didn't mean business as usual. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
-It doesn't mean tomorrow -we'll do what we did today... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
-..and do next year -what we did last year. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
-We challenge the Government -to change... | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
-..we challenge Wales to change -and I'm challenging people... | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
-..who want to retain -the current structure to change. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
-Some, like Julian Ruck, -have challenged the strategy. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
-He thinks the target of a million -Welsh speakers is a pipe dream. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
-This idea that they can have a -third of Wales, a million people... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
-..speaking Welsh by 2050, -they've got to be dreaming. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
-Why is that, Julian? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
-Because people are turning away -from the language! | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
-It's not helped by people -like yourself of course! | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
-I know it's not helped. -Shouldn't the majority have a voice? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
-Are minorities -not allowed to have a voice? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
-The minority has got a bigger voice -than the majority of Wales. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
-The Welsh speaking general public -has a bigger voice than the English. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:31 | |
-Who hears the English opinion? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
-He says the man responsible for -devising the Welsh Language Bill... | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
-..should be looking -at the financial bill. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
-According to the Government, -the Welsh language portfolio... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
-..receives 36m every year. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
-Julian Ruck believes that the sum -being spent on the Welsh language... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-..is more, up to 150m. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
-Where are these figures from, -Julian? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-Where do you get these figures from? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
-We've gone to the official sources. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-They tell us the Welsh language -portfolio is worth 36m. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
-That's a load of nonsense. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
-Where do you get your figures from? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
-Where do you get your figures from? - -The internet. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
-Alun Davies has bad news -for Julian Ruck. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
-He says he intends to spend -a lot more than 36m in the future. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:23 | |
-36m isn't enough -and it's not meant to be enough. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
-What's important is seeing ministers -across the Welsh Government... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
-..prioritising the language. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
-Invest today in people, -invest in the way we work... | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
-..invest in the way we train people, -invest in the workforce... | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
-..invest in promoting -and supporting the language. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
-Give people the opportunity -to build a structure... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
-..that delivers more Welsh speakers. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-Between 2001 and 2011, -there was a fall of 20,000... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
-..in the number of Welsh speakers. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-By the next Census... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
-..the Government wants an increase -of 40,000 on the road to a million. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
-I want the Welsh language -to unite people not split them. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
-When I hear from the Julian Rucks -of this world... | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
-..let them say -what they want to say. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
-They have a right -to voice their opinion... | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
-..but I don't think they reflect -the views of non-Welsh speakers. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
-Back in Lampeter, -Elin T Jones is still angry... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
-..at being told to stop talking -her language in her country. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
-For her and her family, safeguarding -the language is crucial. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
-I learnt Welsh when I was younger. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
-My family moved here from England. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-I'm the first member -of my family who learnt Welsh. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
-I was born here. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
-It is important for me, personally. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
-In Kittle, Swansea, Cesia is proud -of her Welsh-language education... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
-..even though her parents -can't speak welsh. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
-For her, education is key... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
-..to attracting -more people to speak Welsh. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
-I think it's really basic. I believe -we need more Welsh-medium schools. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
-Ysgol Gwyr is growing so quickly. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
-We need another secondary school, -only two exist. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
-The more options people have, -the better the chance... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
-..that people will choose -Welsh-language education. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
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