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Rhaglen yn trafod dyfodol yr iaith Gymraeg gan gynnwys cyfweliad â'r colofnydd dadleuol Julian Ruck. The future of Welsh including an interview with controversial columnist, Jul...


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-The Welsh Government

-has been holding a consultation...

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-..on the Welsh Language Bill.

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-Tonight, we have our own

-consultation about the language.

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-We've been talking to people

-on the streets.

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-The more money invested into

-the Welsh language the better.

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-It's our mother tongue.

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-If we don't look after our language,

-what hope do we have as a nation?

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-I speak to a controversial author...

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-..who believes investing

-in the language is a waste of money.

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-The Welsh language is declining.

-You cannot argue against that.

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-Isn't that more of a reason

-to spend...

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-That's less of a reason to spend

-more money, less of a reason.

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-I ask Alun Davies how he hopes to

-achieve 1m Welsh speakers by 2050.

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-Invest in the workforce, invest

-to promote the Welsh language.

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-Build a structure that will

-deliver more Welsh speakers.

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-Tonight, the future of the language.

-What's the bill?

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-The past few months have been

-turbulent for the Welsh language...

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-..with a number of scandals

-hitting the headlines.

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-In September, in Lampeter, one young

-mother had an unexpected experience.

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-I was walking around the shop...

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-..telling Elena the names

-of the fruit in Welsh.

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-A woman came up to me and said, "Why

-are you speaking that foreign muck?

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-"You should be speaking English."

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-Elin T Jones is a town councillor.

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-Having lived in Lampeter

-for eight years...

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-..she's familiar

-with the town and its people.

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-It was a big shock.

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-Most people living here can speak

-at least a couple of words of Welsh.

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-You hear it every day

-all around you.

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-It was a shock when someone told me

-not to speak Welsh in Lampeter.

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-A month earlier,

-there was another language storm.

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-This time a well-known high street

-name caused some controversy.

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-In August, there were protests

-outside Sports Direct in Bangor...

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-..after reports that staff

-had been told by letter...

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-..that they should only

-speak English...

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-..to each other and to customers.

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-Sports Direct apologised

-for what they described...

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-..as a misunderstanding.

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-The Welsh Language Commissioner

-met company officials...

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-..and encouraged them to devise

-a plan that promotes Welsh.

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-Days after

-the Sports Direct incident...

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-..a TV debate about the language

-caused great consternation...

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-..and attracted

-countless complaints.

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-What's the point in all the money?

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-The comments of author Julian Ruck

-on the Newsnight programme...

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-..incensed thousands of people.

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-I wanted to know

-why he felt like this...

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-..so I met the man

-who made the headlines.

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-Anybody should be entitled to speak

-whatever language they choose.

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-I'm not slamming the Welsh language.

-What I'm slamming is the cost.

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-The cost of the Welsh language

-is another product...

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-..of the inefficient

-Welsh administration we have.

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-It is wasting money hand over fist.

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-Julian Ruck was born

-and raised in Swansea.

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-He spent 30 years

-living and working in England...

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-..before settling

-in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire.

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-He can't speak Welsh and refers to

-the language as a "foreign tongue".

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-You're asking why, in a situation

-where we're facing austerity....

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-..money should be spent

-on a foreign tongue.

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-It's not a foreign tongue

-to everybody else.

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-Stop talking about everybody else

-as if it's the whole of Wales.

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-It's a small minority

-that speaks Welsh.

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-On Newsnight, he questioned

-the spending on Welsh broadcasting.

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-He questions whether the numbers

-who watch and listen...

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-..justifies the millions

-being spent on it.

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-Each year, S4C receives 74.5m

-from the TV licence...

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-..and a 6.8m grant

-from the Westminster Government.

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-76m for what?

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-For the programmes...

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-A lot of the programmes...

-Wait a minute.

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-A lot of the programmes

-don't have any viewers at all.

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-That's fact. Right, that's fact.

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-That's not fact.

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-That's not fact.

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-It is fact.

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-Julian, you're quoting percentage

-figures and audience share figures.

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-That isn't zero viewers.

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-There are programmes on S4C,

-right...

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-..that they can't figure out

-how many people are viewing.

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-Why is that?

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-I met the Chair

-of S4C's Authority Huw Jones...

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-..to ask for his response

-to Julian Ruck's claims.

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-According to S4C's research,

-71% of adults Welsh speakers...

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-..watch the channel every week.

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-Some, like Julian Ruck, claim that

-some programmes have no viewers.

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-S4C's viewing figures

-during daytime hours...

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-..show some truth in that claim.

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-Claiming that no-one watches S4C

-is incorrect, it's nonsense.

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-How do you know that?

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-Over 600,000 viewers tune in

-to S4C every week of the year.

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-Last week, at midday according

-to the figures we have...

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-..the number of viewers were zero,

-2.00pm zero....

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-..4.00pm zero.

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-There are problems when these

-are the figures, Huw Jones.

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-No. It depends entirely

-on that programme.

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-As you know, we broadcast many

-repeats during daytime hours.

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-That's a more valuable service

-than putting a test card up.

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-It gives people the opportunity

-to watch that programme...

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-..and it costs next to nothing

-to us to broadcast them.

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-That's not the correct measure

-to see if people use the service.

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-The correct measure

-is how many use the service...

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-..at some point

-during the week or month.

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-How important is S4C

-in the lives of Welsh people?

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-I asked the people

-of Bangor, Lampeter and Aberystwyth.

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-Do you watch S4C's programmes?

-How many programmes do you watch?

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-Not many at the moment.

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-I feel that there are

-too many repeats.

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-Do you watch S4C?

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-You do a bit.

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-What do you watch on S4C?

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-What do you watch on S4C?

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-Pobol y Cwm!

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-Do you speak Welsh?

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-Do you speak Welsh?

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-No. I watch it on a Sunday night.

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-Do you watch S4C?

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-Do you watch S4C?

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-Occasionally, every now and then.

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-No, I wouldn't say

-I'm a regular viewer of S4C.

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-From day to day, I don't get much

-of a chance to watch TV anyway.

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-I don't watch S4C.

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-They need to produce

-more programmes for young people.

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-Hiya, Ponis.

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-Let's do this.

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-According to S4C, that's

-precisely what they've done...

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-..with their Hansh service.

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-They say that the service

-has had a million views...

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-..over the past two months.

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-They say that 20%

-of all Welsh viewers...

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-..watched the Wales v Republic

-of Ireland game on S4C recently.

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-According to Huw Jones, S4C is key

-to the future of the language.

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-If you're so important

-to our future...

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-..where have you been

-for the past decade...

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-..supporting and promoting

-the Welsh language?

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-TV and radio, mass media...

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-..are crucial to the future

-of any language.

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-We should be turning

-that question on its head.

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-Can you imagine a situation...

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-..where we don't have mass media

-in the Welsh language...

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-..where we don't have

-Welsh language signs or education?

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-That's the situation

-in other countries.

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-The future of those languages

-is very fragile.

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-I'm sure of one thing.

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-S4C's existence provides a voice,

-and oxygen if you'd like...

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-..to the Welsh language

-every day of the week.

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-Education is another key area...

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-..if the Government wants

-a million Welsh speakers by 2050.

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-I know an English-speaking father

-in Cardiff...

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-..who's waiting to hear if his

-daughter, who's in nursery school...

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-..will be given a place

-in a Welsh-medium primary school.

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-No parent should be

-in that position in Wales.

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-Three weeks ago in Cardiff,

-Cymdeithas Yr Iaith called...

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-..for more Welsh-language education

-for children in the city.

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-Local authorities

-have been given targets...

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-..to increase their

-Welsh language education provision.

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-By 2040,

-71% of children in Cardiff...

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-..will be offered

-Welsh-language education.

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-At the moment, it's only 15%.

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-Only 15% of children

-in our capital city...

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-..are being given

-Welsh-language education.

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-According to the society,

-Cardiff County and City councils...

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-..have to act quickly

-to realise the Government's target.

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-They want another 10 Welsh-medium

-primary schools in Cardiff by 2022.

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-There are costs involved

-in building schools.

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-We've heard of a school being built

-but it's an English-medium school.

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-Parents are driving past

-10 English-medium schools...

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-..to reach a Welsh-medium school.

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-If that was a Welsh school,

-it would be used.

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-The costs are an investment.

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-The society is calling

-for an increase across Wales.

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-They want to see every child

-given Welsh language education.

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-According to Assembly statistics...

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-..16% of Welsh children

-attended Welsh-medium schools.

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-Another 10% attended

-bilingual schools...

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-..which had significant

-Welsh-medium provision.

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-Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr near Swansea.

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-Cesia Rees is one of 935 pupils

-taught through the medium of Welsh.

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-Only a third of pupils

-come from Welsh-speaking homes.

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-You get so many opportunities

-when you can speak Welsh.

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-You can compete in the Eisteddfod,

-you can sing.

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-You understand Wales' culture more

-than if you don't speak Welsh.

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-15-year-old Cesia

-is studying for her GCSEs.

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-I like modern languages.

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-Being able

-to speak two languages already...

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-..when you learn to speak

-French and Spanish...

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-..there are loads of similarities

-with Welsh.

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-Learning languages

-is so much easier.

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-Lynne Rees is a GP and her husband,

-Tim, is a solicitor.

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-Even though

-they don't speak Welsh...

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-..they believe that the decision...

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-..to send their children

-to Welsh schools was justified.

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-I do have a friend

-who is totally convinced...

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-..that my children have missed a

-whole something in primary school.

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-While they were doing Welsh,

-they missed out on something else.

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-I haven't persuaded that person

-that they haven't.

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-With my children having gone

-through the school...

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-..it's obvious from their exam

-results and they're off to uni...

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-..that they haven't missed out

-on History, Geography or whatever.

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-They've gained Welsh

-as well as everything else.

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-Over the past 30 years...

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-..there's been an increase in

-Welsh language education in Swansea.

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-English speaking parents are

-benefiting from the opportunities...

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-..they didn't have as children.

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-There are now two Welsh secondary

-and 11 Welsh primary schools.

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-Even if my children were

-to be working in England...

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-..and not using Welsh

-to any great degree...

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-..they will have still benefitted in

-terms of stretching their minds...

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-..their lack on any fear

-of different languages...

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-..their ability to communicate,

-their flexibility...

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-..and their access

-to Welsh culture...

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-..to a greater extent than

-I experienced as I was growing up.

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-The Welsh Government aims to offer

-Welsh language education...

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-..to 40% of children by 2050.

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-Cesia is proud

-of the education she has had...

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-..but it doesn't mean she always

-speaks Welsh to her friends.

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-In school, I speak Welsh

-to some of my friends.

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-They're the ones

-from Welsh-speaking families.

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-They like speaking Welsh.

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-It's good to practise your Welsh

-with those friends.

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-Mostly, though, we speak English.

-Yeah.

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-The Welsh Government

-recently started a consultation...

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-..on the Welsh Language Bill

-White Paper

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-Tonight, we have our own

-consultation on the Welsh language.

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-We wanted to know how much Welsh is

-heard on the streets around Wales.

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-A lot of people speak Welsh

-in Holyhead and Caernarfon.

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-A little in Bangor

-but it's on the decline.

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-I speak Welsh to Nain,

-but not in school.

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-Most people speak Welsh.

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-Can you live your life in Welsh?

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-Can you live your life in Welsh?

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-If you want.

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-My generation of Welsh speakers,

-my friends, we're safe.

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-We need to be worried

-about the next generation.

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-We have to do something

-about it now.

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-Once you lose the language,

-you lose the language. It's gone.

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-The Welsh Government's aim during

-the White Paper consultation...

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-..is to try and ensure

-strong leadership and structure...

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-..to promote and normalise

-the use of the language.

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-The Paper is being supported

-beyond the corridors of power.

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-Cynog Dafis is a member

-of Dyfodol I'r Iaith.

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-He's a former MP and AM

-for Plaid Cymru.

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-He's been impressed

-by the Labour Government's efforts.

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-It's evident now that within

-the Welsh Government...

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-..we have people who understand...

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-..the importance

-of promoting the language.

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-They understand

-what needs to be done

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-It's good to see that happening

-maybe for the first time...

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-..since Devolution began.

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-What we need now...

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-..during the process of passing

-the Bill in the Assembly...

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-..during the consultation...

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-..that sums are placed

-beside the different requirements.

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-With headlines

-linked to the strategy...

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-..sums of money which show

-that these matters...

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-..are being taken seriously

-with effective steps being taken.

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-Then we can see

-how much money is required.

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-It will be higher than the sum

-being spent right now.

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-A little over a week ago

-in Aberystwyth...

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-..the Government held a consultation

-session on the White Paper.

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-Alun Davies, the Welsh Language

-Minister, attended the event.

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-However, Cymdeithas Yr Iaith members

-were critical of the decision...

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-..to abolish the role

-of the Welsh Language Commissioner.

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-Do you have confidence in what

-the minister is trying to do?

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-No, the target of having

-a million Welsh speakers is good...

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-..but we're not working properly

-towards achieving it.

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-It's one thing to set a target.

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-It's another matter

-to actually reach it.

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-What I'm seeing now, especially

-if the Commissioner's role goes...

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-..is a step backwards.

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-By abolishing the role...

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-..the Government intends

-to establish a commission...

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-..to monitor

-Welsh language standards.

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-According to Cymdeithas Yr Iaith...

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-..the plans endanger

-the language's situation...

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-..and weaken the rights

-of Welsh speakers.

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-Our slogan is

-bin the bill and start again.

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-There are fundamental weaknesses

-in the bill. We need to start again.

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-As the consultation ends, how does

-Alun Davies justify his choices...

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-..especially his intention

-to abolish the role...

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-..of the Commissioner, Meri Huws?

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-The Commissioner's only been

-in her role for five years.

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-Is it too early to abolish the role?

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-We're looking at the legislation.

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-It's something that happens

-regularly after five years.

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-We're looking at how the legislation

-is being implemented...

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-..and the impact of the legislation.

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-Are you saying that you're not happy

-with the Commissioner's work?

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-Not at all.

-I'm building on that work.

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-In practical terms,

-you want to change the role.

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-We want to take it a step further.

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-Since taking over the role

-in May 2016...

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-..he has undertaken a review

-of Welsh language education...

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-..in an attempt to double

-the number of Welsh speakers.

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-Is the target of a million

-Welsh speakers by 2050 realistic?

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-Yes, but everything must change.

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-I have little patience with people

-who want the current structure.

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-The current structure

-won't achieve the results.

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-Everything must change.

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-The Government has to change

-the way it operates.

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-Carwyn and myself were agreed

-when we discussed this last year.

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-We wanted to set a target

-that didn't mean business as usual.

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-It doesn't mean tomorrow

-we'll do what we did today...

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-..and do next year

-what we did last year.

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-We challenge the Government

-to change...

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-..we challenge Wales to change

-and I'm challenging people...

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-..who want to retain

-the current structure to change.

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-Some, like Julian Ruck,

-have challenged the strategy.

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-He thinks the target of a million

-Welsh speakers is a pipe dream.

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-This idea that they can have a

-third of Wales, a million people...

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-..speaking Welsh by 2050,

-they've got to be dreaming.

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-Why is that, Julian?

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-Because people are turning away

-from the language!

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-It's not helped by people

-like yourself of course!

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-I know it's not helped.

-Shouldn't the majority have a voice?

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-Are minorities

-not allowed to have a voice?

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-The minority has got a bigger voice

-than the majority of Wales.

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-The Welsh speaking general public

-has a bigger voice than the English.

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-Who hears the English opinion?

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-He says the man responsible for

-devising the Welsh Language Bill...

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-..should be looking

-at the financial bill.

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-According to the Government,

-the Welsh language portfolio...

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-..receives 36m every year.

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-Julian Ruck believes that the sum

-being spent on the Welsh language...

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-..is more, up to 150m.

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-Where are these figures from,

-Julian?

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-Where do you get these figures from?

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-We've gone to the official sources.

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-They tell us the Welsh language

-portfolio is worth 36m.

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-That's a load of nonsense.

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-Where do you get your figures from?

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-Where do you get your figures from?

-

-The internet.

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-Alun Davies has bad news

-for Julian Ruck.

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-He says he intends to spend

-a lot more than 36m in the future.

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-36m isn't enough

-and it's not meant to be enough.

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-What's important is seeing ministers

-across the Welsh Government...

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-..prioritising the language.

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-Invest today in people,

-invest in the way we work...

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-..invest in the way we train people,

-invest in the workforce...

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-..invest in promoting

-and supporting the language.

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-Give people the opportunity

-to build a structure...

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-..that delivers more Welsh speakers.

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-Between 2001 and 2011,

-there was a fall of 20,000...

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-..in the number of Welsh speakers.

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-By the next Census...

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-..the Government wants an increase

-of 40,000 on the road to a million.

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-I want the Welsh language

-to unite people not split them.

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-When I hear from the Julian Rucks

-of this world...

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-..let them say

-what they want to say.

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-They have a right

-to voice their opinion...

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-..but I don't think they reflect

-the views of non-Welsh speakers.

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-Back in Lampeter,

-Elin T Jones is still angry...

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-..at being told to stop talking

-her language in her country.

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-For her and her family, safeguarding

-the language is crucial.

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-I learnt Welsh when I was younger.

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-My family moved here from England.

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-I'm the first member

-of my family who learnt Welsh.

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-I was born here.

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-It is important for me, personally.

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-In Kittle, Swansea, Cesia is proud

-of her Welsh-language education...

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-..even though her parents

-can't speak welsh.

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-For her, education is key...

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-..to attracting

-more people to speak Welsh.

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-I think it's really basic. I believe

-we need more Welsh-medium schools.

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-Ysgol Gwyr is growing so quickly.

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-We need another secondary school,

-only two exist.

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-The more options people have,

-the better the chance...

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-..that people will choose

-Welsh-language education.

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Rhaglen yn trafod dyfodol yr iaith Gymraeg gan gynnwys cyfweliad â'r colofnydd dadleuol Julian Ruck. The future of Welsh including an interview with controversial columnist, Julian Ruck.