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Ai'r peintiau neu'r pwyntiau sydd bwysicaf i ffans rygbi heddiw? On patrol with the British Transport Police in Cardiff. What is more important for rugby fans - the pints or the...


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-During the Six Nations

-Championship...

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-..Y Byd ar Bedwar have been on

-patrol with the Transport Police.

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-They claim that policing rugby

-crowds in Cardiff is a nightmare.

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-There are plenty of examples

-of small groups...

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-..who behave irresponsibly

-after drinking...

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-..they cause more problems

-and challenges...

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-..than large groups

-of football supporters.

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-Tonight, we hear from supporters

-and one commentator...

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-..who've had enough of

-drunken supporters in the stadium.

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-People coming and going...

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-..disappearing to the loo

-every five seconds.

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-It's transformed the experience

-of going to watch Wales play rugby.

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-The Welsh Rugby Union refused

-our request to film in the stadium.

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-On his phone, our journalist has

-collected evidence of the trouble...

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-..during recent matches.

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-What stays with me is the scenes

-I saw in the stadium.

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-Three incidents where people

-were escorted out of the stands.

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-You're under arrest

-for being drunk and disorderly.

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-With an increase of violent

-incidents on home match days...

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-..we ask if matches in Cardiff are

-leaving a bitter taste in the mouth.

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-Keep going.

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-Wales v Scotland last month.

-Cardiff, as ever, is packed.

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-On matchday morning, police meet

-to discuss the day's challenges.

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-There's a clear message from one of

-the heads of the Transport Police.

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-Please, if there is somebody

-that needs arresting, nick 'em...

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-..we worry about what gap

-that leaves afterwards.

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-It's about time people learnt...

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-..that their behaviour

-is unacceptable...

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-..and that we do something about it.

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-With the game kicking off

-at 2.15pm...

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-..the city centre is busy early.

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-250,000 are expected

-to descend on Cardiff.

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-For many, there's more to the day

-than the game itself.

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-Unfortunately, what we've seen

-over the past five years...

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-..is people attending the game

-who are not day-to-day supporters.

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-They don't realise the effect

-their behaviour has...

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-..on the people

-sitting next to them...

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-..or queuing next to them.

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-Because of that,

-they spoil the day completely...

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-..for families, children

-and other people...

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-..because of their selfish behaviour

-which is unacceptable.

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-According to the police,

-alcohol is the main culprit.

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-It causes most of the problems

-they face.

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-Most of the problems we face

-come from people...

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-..who usually behave sensibly...

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-..have responsibilities,

-have families...

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-..and they know

-how to behave properly.

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-After drinking too much,

-they lose their common sense...

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-..they don't listen to people

-responsible for their safety...

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-..and because of that,

-problems arise.

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-A lot of drinking happens in bars

-and streets around the stadium...

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-..but there are complaints about

-the behaviour inside the stadium.

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-We sent one of our journalists

-to the game...

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-..to see the problems first hand.

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-There are 17 bars in the stadium.

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-They're all open

-before and during the game.

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-Guto filmed his experiences

-on his phone.

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-For legal reasons we can't show

-his footage from the stadium.

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-After the game, he felt that

-keeping bars open during the game...

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-..affected supporters' enjoyment.

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-A great result for Wales...

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-..but I can see

-why some have complained...

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-..about some supporters

-on match day.

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-People coming and going...

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-..every time there was a scrum,

-people headed to the toilet and bar.

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-I had to stand to let them pass me.

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-I can see why some people

-want change.

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-Down the road, underneath the bridge

-and into the back of the station.

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-Near the train station, Constable

-Simon Livsey has started his shift.

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-Trains don't run as late as that...

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-..so people travel home

-at around 9.00pm.

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-It'll become busy

-and a lot of people will be drunk.

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-Hi, sorry, are you alright?

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-Hello!

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-Yeah, round the back.

-Down here, ladies.

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-Down there, underneath the bridge.

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-Are we on S4C?

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-Thank you.

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-By 4.30pm,

-things are starting to get worse...

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-..as celebrations

-get the better of some.

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-You can't travel on the train

-like this. You need to sober up.

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-Hey, hey, hey, don't start.

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-How much have you had to drink?

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-How much have you had to drink?

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-Loads.

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-Don't start shouting.

-I'm here to help you.

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-Don't start shouting.

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-Can I explain? I've been...

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-Pardon.

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-Don't push me away

-because I'm trying to help you.

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-Sorry, sorry.

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-The Transport Police are responsible

-for policing the railways.

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-On match day, they decide if

-someone's drunk too much to travel.

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-You'll have to sober up

-before you go anywhere.

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-You're going to stay with her now,

-are you?

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-I wouldn't leave her.

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-She's in no fit state

-to go on the train.

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-I just wanted to make sure

-she was OK first.

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-As you could see, she'd fallen over,

-she couldn't walk.

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-I've told her she can't travel

-on the train in that state.

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-She needs to go away,

-grab a coffee...

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-..and find another means

-of getting home.

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-She won't be travelling home

-on a train in that state.

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-A few moment later, they discover

-another woman who's fallen.

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-PC Livsey believes she has drunk

-too much to travel on the train.

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-I don't think you're fit

-to travel at the minute. OK?

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-Mate, if I was driving, fair enough.

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-There's such a thing

-as intoxicated on the railway.

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-I don't think you're fit to travel.

-I'm concerned about your safety. OK?

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-There's a phone call to make

-to the woman's father.

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-I'm PC Livsey from

-the British Transport Police.

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-Nothing to be worried about.

-Is it your daughter?

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-She's just had a bit to drink,

-that's all.

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-I'm concerned about her.

-Could you pick her up?

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-While waiting for her father...

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-..he takes her to find some water,

-and nothing stronger.

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-For Constable Simon Livsey,

-there's a long night ahead of him.

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-It's celebration time for many

-and Cardiff's pubs are packed.

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-As night falls,

-more supporters head home.

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-It's getting busy

-down at the train station.

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-Gates have been placed here

-to organise queues for the train.

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-One man has pushed some barriers

-over and the police escort him away.

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-This gentlemen was grabbing me.

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-You're not travelling. Goodbye.

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-The man won't go quietly.

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-You're intoxicated, you've been

-throwing barriers down as you leave.

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-It's unacceptable.

-No, no, this isn't a debate.

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-I'm telling you

-your behaviour is unacceptable.

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-I think you're being harsh.

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-Your travel will not be

-from Cardiff Central.

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-Make alternative arrangements

-to get home.

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-There's a queuing system

-at the station.

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-It's there to keep everyone safe.

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-Once someone

-starts pushing the barriers over...

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-..it's not safe for anyone.

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-He should know better, to be fair.

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-A fortnight later, Llandovery RFC

-play a home game against Cardiff.

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-Replacement for Llandovery.

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-No.16, Llyr Green...

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-..replaces No.1, Jamie Hughes.

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-Handel Davies has been part

-of Llandovery RFC since he was 14.

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-A former player,

-he is now the club's chairman.

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-As someone with rugby

-in his blood...

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-..he has strong views about some

-supporters in the national stadium.

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-If you want a drink at half-time,

-that's fair enough.

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-I don't think it's wise to

-keep the bars open during the game.

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-If you've paid 80-90 for a ticket,

-you want to watch the game in peace.

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-When someone's constantly

-standing up in front of you...

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-..it'll spoil the game for you.

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-Other supporters at Llandovery

-feel that on-field events...

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-..are less important to some fans

-at the Principality Stadium.

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-They stand up during the game.

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-You have to look around them.

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-They're standing up

-in front of you to go out.

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-They can drink in the bar

-if they want to drink.

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-If they're at the game to watch

-the game, sit down and watch.

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-Some people don't go

-to the games these days...

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-..because they're fed up of people

-standing up and sitting down.

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-That's why they don't go anymore.

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-Full-time score -

-Llandovery 26 - Cardiff 24.

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-Problems with drinking

-on international match days...

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-..is a problem beyond the stadium

-and the streets of Cardiff.

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-Recently, one incident less

-than 30 miles from Llandovery...

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-..generated headlines.

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-Following the

-Wales v Scotland game...

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-..this pub was at the centre

-of a social media storm.

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-According to the owner

-of the Dog & Piano...

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-..one man defecated on a table.

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-Nicola Morris

-named the man on Facebook.

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-She said another man with him

-placed a glass in the faeces...

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-..before leaving the pub.

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-That's not the only example

-of problems in pubs on match days.

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-In Machynlleth, I meet a man who had

-an experience that changed his life.

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-On the day of the

-Rugby World Cup Final in 2015...

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-..Gwynant Jones was in a pub in

-Aberystwyth when a man attacked him.

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-I walked into the Academy.

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-The next thing I know,

-I'm being dragged back by my ear.

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-I'd never met the man

-or spoken to him before.

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-Two years after a man

-bit half his ear off...

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-..the scars of the attack

-are still evident.

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-What effect has it had on you?

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-It took a while to get used

-to people staring at me.

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-It's different.

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-There's that sense

-that it feels differently.

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-You're just, like,

-you're self-conscious.

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-The man who attacked Gwynant Jones

-was jailed for 16 months.

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-The attacker admitted to

-drinking for six hours on match day.

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-People now realise

-that this can change people's lives.

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-They need to be more careful

-when they're out.

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-Back in Cardiff

-for the next international match...

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-..are the pints more important

-than the points?

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-A little over a week ago, Wales

-took on Italy in the Six Nations.

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-Geraint Evans from Cardiff

-is on his way to the match.

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-Last November, during the game

-against New Zealand...

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-..he was shocked by the behaviour

-of seven men sat next to him.

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-Just before

-the half-time interval...

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-..there was a nasty incident

-where they'd been misbehaving...

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-..they'd been drinking

-very, very heavily...

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-..and they abused a young lady

-and a disabled gentleman behind me.

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-And really abusing him.

-A very unhappy experience.

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-He claims that the men bought eight

-pints each during the first half.

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-He thinks they'd been drinking

-before reaching the stadium.

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-I think the WRU either

-shouldn't have admitted them...

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-..and I think there's no excuse

-with the security levels...

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-..which is basically

-airline-quality security.

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-If they came in sober,

-the only place to buy alcohol...

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-..was from the bars in the stadium.

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-Either they shouldn't

-have been admitted...

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-..or their drinking

-should have been regulated.

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-He wrote to the Welsh Rugby Union

-to complain about the seven men.

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-He says that the union told him

-they were making further enquiries.

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-He's unhappy with the way

-they dealt with his complaint.

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-I thought the nature of the incident

-with the gentleman behind me...

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-..was a disability hate crime which

-should have had a stronger reaction.

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-The Welsh Rugby Union told us...

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-..that they've spoken

-to Geraint Evans many times.

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-They stated that the man

-abused by the drunken fans...

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-..didn't want to purse a complaint.

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-They say the man is happy that they

-investigated the matter seriously.

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-The union also told us that they

-know the identity of the men.

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-The rugby club which distributed

-the tickets to them...

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-..has been banned from receiving

-tickets for future games.

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-According to the union,

-their figures show...

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-..that the average consumption

-per game is one pint per person.

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-We wanted to see how much the bars

-were used during the Italy game.

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-Once again, our journalist

-joined the thousands at the game.

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-Italy are the opponents today.

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-It's a different match,

-it's being played on a Sunday.

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-Tickets are cheaper,

-they're not expecting a full house.

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-It was being played

-on Mothering Sunday.

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-There was a lot of coming and going

-at the city's bars.

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-It was a shock to see so many people

-coming and going during the match.

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-I expected to see far more families

-present at the match against Italy.

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-It's also a Sunday.

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-I had to stand up many times

-to watch the action.

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-I almost missed a try at one point

-because supporters were standing up.

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-Guto witnessed a man

-being ejected from the stands...

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-..because of his behaviour.

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-Use this side as well, please.

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-Simply put, a group of lads

-arguing with the stewards.

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-There was shouting and shoving.

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-In the end, one of them

-tried to strike a steward.

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-It was incredible to witness

-something like that...

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-..at a rugby international.

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-The union told us that the man

-we saw being ejected...

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-..was one of two thrown out

-because of their behaviour.

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-The union were happy

-that their stewards...

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-..responded

-in an appropriate manner.

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-It soon became apparent

-that there'd been trouble...

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-..in another part of the stadium...

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-..when a man threw a pint over

-a computer in the Press Box.

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-The incident inspired one

-journalist to write about the event.

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-I described the stadium...

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-..as having become

-the world's biggest Wetherspoons.

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-That's what the atmosphere

-now feels like, a large pub.

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-According to Graham Thomas,

-it's time for the union to act...

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-..to reduce drinking

-in the stadium...

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-..and follow the example

-set by football clubs.

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-The football regulations

-make the fan have to make a choice.

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-Am I going to drink

-while the game goes on?

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-If you want to do that,

-you can do that.

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-Or am I going to watch the sport?

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-If you want to drink

-you stay in the bar area.

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-The only people that suffer

-any consequences of that...

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-..are the drinkers themselves.

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-The union didn't want to respond

-to Graham Thomas' comments.

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-They said the man who threw

-his drink towards the Press Box...

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-..left the stadium voluntarily.

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-According to them, the journalist

-wasn't the intended target.

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-The Welsh Rugby Union refused

-our request for an interview.

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-They say that crowd behaviour

-is something they take seriously.

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-They told me that stewards

-receive thorough training...

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-..to deal with different

-situations as they arise.

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-Bar staff are trained to recognise

-those who've drunk too much...

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-..and to stop serving them

-more alcohol.

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-At the end of the Italy game, most

-of the crowd are in good spirits...

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-..after another resounding victory

-for Wales.

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-Constable Simon Livsey

-didn't watch the game.

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-The Transport Police

-deal with cases...

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-..of excessive drinking

-on the streets.

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-There are some, according to them,

-who are too drunk to board a train.

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-Go away, get a coffee or something

-to eat, sober up and come back.

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-You're wasting time. The more

-you talk, the more time you waste.

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-Go away, sober up and come back.

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-That's all we're asking.

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-We're not trying to prevent people

-travelling home.

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-We're acting in the interest

-of safety.

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-We've had people falling between

-the train and the platform...

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-..or off the platform.

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-It's happened here on match day,

-it's dangerous.

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-Their safety is important.

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-You've been asked

-to leave the station.

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-At the station, the police deal with

-two couples arguing on the platform.

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-You're under arrest

-for being drunk and disorderly.

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-You don't have to say anything

-but it may harm your defence...

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-..if you do not mention something

-you later rely on in court.

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-As they get involved,

-one man is arrested.

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-Other hand.

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-One had thrown beer at the other.

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-They then started to throw

-some punches at one another.

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-As they left the station,

-he started swearing at me...

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-..to my face,

-and he did so more than once.

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-Because he was drunk,

-and because of his behaviour...

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-..he was arrested

-for being drunk and disorderly.

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-He's been sent down

-to Cardiff Bay custody.

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-He'll stay there until he's sober.

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-To get an idea

-of the criminal burden...

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-..we made a Freedom of Information

-request to South Wales Police.

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-There were 248 violent crimes

-last year...

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-..on Six Nations match days

-in Cardiff.

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-That's a rise of 61% in two years.

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-Less than a week later

-and Cardiff is packed once more.

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-The French are in town for the

-championship's last game at 5.00pm.

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-For the final time, our journalist

-is back in the stadium.

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-As Wales stumble to victory

-in the stadium...

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-..the Transport Police prepare

-for the crowds to stumble home.

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-As they reach the station,

-Guto sums up his experiences.

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-Leaving the stadium

-after watching Wales beat France.

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-What stays with me

-is the scenes I saw in the stadium.

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-Three incidents where people

-were escorted out of the stands.

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-A couple looked violent

-and all three were very unsavoury.

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-What stays with me is the fact

-that most people around them...

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-..applauded the decision.

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-It's obvious that this minority

-spoils the experience for others.

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-Slowly, slowly.

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-After the game, Constable Simon

-Livsey is out on the streets.

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-It's busy in the station

-as supporters queue for trains.

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-One policeman

-deals with a drunk fan...

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-..while others

-try to jump the queue.

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-Josh, Josh.

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-Close these barriers,

-close these barriers.

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-Have you got this

-so I can go over there?

0:22:060:22:08

-Over on St Mary's Street,

-celebrations continue...

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-..but there's a scuffle

-outside one pub.

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-We see a woman

-led away in handcuffs.

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-Back at the station, the Six Nations

-ends as it began for the police...

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-..dealing with excessive drinking.

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-The man was drunk and then

-he started to swear at the officers.

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-He's been arrested

-for being drunk and disorderly.

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-The Welsh Rugby Union

-isn't responsible...

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-..for what happens on the streets

-on match days...

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-..but they're aware

-of the cases of excessive drinking.

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-They're conducting

-a professional review...

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-..looking at the match day

-experience at the stadium.

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-Police and the union are hoping

-that supporters will sober up...

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-..and that match days won't

-leave a bitter taste in the mouth.

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-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.

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Ai'r peintiau neu'r pwyntiau sydd bwysicaf i ffans rygbi heddiw? On patrol with the British Transport Police in Cardiff. What is more important for rugby fans - the pints or the points?