17/07/2012 am.pm

Afternoon, welcome to the programme where we will bring you First

Minister's Questions. The Assembly breaks for the summer recess this

week, but before they go, politicians have a busy week ahead.

First, I will tell you you can get in touch with us if you want to

know anything about what we are talking about or comments about

They are already under way, so let's take a look at questions to

the First Minister. The National's Assembly for Wales

is in session on the first item is questions to the First Minister.

What is the Welsh Government going to teach future generations about

the industrial history of Wales? Future generations have an

opportunity through informal and formal education. There is the

National Museum interpretation programmes. I started my working

life in the coalmines and I am proud of the Community's I

represent. These communities like many mining communities have seen

their fair share of tragedy. Do you agree with the words of the

Caerphilly council leader the tragic history throughout the

valley, with significant contribution from the coal-mining

industry, there should be a Welsh National coal-mining memorial?

Universal Colliery in 1913, the worst disaster of them all. I was

pleased to be at the launch of the campaign to create a national

mining memorial and it was good to see so many people at the launch.

The available history curriculum is wide and varied and covers

industrial heritage. But many will recognise it when I say schools

seemed to concentrate on wartime Europe and the American civil

rights movement. What is the Government doing to teach a wider

range of topics and concentrate more on Welsh history? Industrial

history is central to the history of study which is key stages two

and three in schools. It allows further opportunity to develop

knowledge and understanding. TRANSLATION: Wales has been a world

leader in terms of in a to Viv and industrial developments in the past

and it is very important we promote that for the future. At the moments

are Committee in the Assembly is scrutinising the Heritage Bill.

Would it be possible for young people in schools perhaps, to have

more education in terms of what the legislation would mean for them in

terms of promoting this particular sector, and in terms of

participating in the consultation proposed by Government when they do

bring their heritage Bill forward in 2013?

TRANSLATION: You would wish to see young people playing a key role in

the development and not just the Heritage Bill, but other bills, too.

We look forward therefore, to ensuring this would be used to

ensure there is an input from young people when the Bill goes through

the Senedd. Extending the topic to include also

the importance of Welsh agricultural industry and the role

that is played alongside the industrial history of Wales and the

heavy industries of the South Wales valleys. I have in mind the example

of the tram road that is in the Brecon Beacons and in its day

transported limestone to the farms of mid-Wales and brought

agricultural products down the valley to those communities. First

Minister, what can your Government do to ensure the important linkages

between the industrial heartlands and the agriculture will

communities are understood, particularly in the context of

heritage tourism and the potential it has for the Welsh economy?

I think the Museum of Welsh life does a good job in illustrating the

important role agriculture has played in sustaining people's

livelihoods in Wales. And you are right to point out the important

link that exists between rural and urban Wales, given the facts so

many families who lived in the mining areas had families in rural

Wales where the family had originally come from. Leasing no

better illustration of that link in the Royal Welsh Show next week when

people will be travelling from a them Wales to enjoy the show, and

also enjoyed and understand more about agriculture and rural life.

Will the First Minister make a statement on the provision of acute

medical care in the target area? have agreed plans to ensure Neath

Port Talbot residents received acute care in the future. I met it

with members from the board on Friday and they took time out to

tell me about the changes that would be taking place at Neath Port

Talbot Hospital in detail. Much of the changes they emphasise his to

do with decisions by the Welsh deanery. I would like to clarify

who the Welsh Deanery are accountable to and why does it not

have to carry out a consultation on its actions? What steps of the

Welsh Government taking to discuss with the UK Government that Dr

recruitment problems caused by a tightening of immigration rules

which has formed a lot of the changes in Neath Port Talbot

hospital? The deanery is responsible for postgraduate

training and responsible for ensuring medical training is

adequate and safe. As far as the deanery of concerned, I have no

argument with their right and duty to ensure safe services are

provided. You do raise an important point regarding immigration. If

immigration is seen as being too Beaumaris as far as the Medical

profession is concerned, doctors will go elsewhere. Bewails we have

relied on doctor's coming in from elsewhere. We have launched a

recruitment campaign in order to attract staff of different

seniority is into Welsh hospitals. I am sure he will be pleased the

plans are in place to deal with the patient transfer as of the 1st

September because of the closure of the queue to medical unit in Neath

Port Talbot hospital. Would you be meeting with the UK Government to

profess those points, to ensure what we have suffered this it is

not repeated and immigration rules allow doctors to be brought in from

overseas? This is an issue we have concerns about. Whether it is true

or not it is difficult to get into the UK to work as a doctor, is

immaterial. The perception is there. When I was in India in April, it

was the perception the UK is almost closed in terms of people coming to

study here and work here. It is something the UK Government will

need to work hard to address. First Minister, we have debated the

reasons for closing the acute medical unit and I recognise there

are certain issues. My chief issue with the Government is what plans

the Government and the Neath Port Talbot Hospital are putting in

place to tackle the issue in the long term? We have a wrecked --

excellent hospital, what steps are you taking to ensure doctors will

remain? It comes under this point in my view, the need to recruit

more doctors. It is not just a Welsh problem, it is a problem

across the UK. There are several positions in hospitals across Wales

that are not filled, not because there is no finance, but no

applicants of the correct quality or standing in order to fill those

posts, which is why we are continuing with a recruitment

campaign in order to ensure we have hospitals that are staffed

appropriately and safely in the future. When I met with the health

board on Friday, one of the things that became Kier is this might not

be the only area in which they might be difficulties in recruiting

staff. Thermite the other problems in the future. In reply to another

question, you said the UK Government needs to address the

immigration problem. But you did not reply as to whether or not you

are making representations to the UK Government about how we can

improve the perception to make it easier to recruit doctors from

abroad to meet the shortages other health boards may come up against

in the future? It is important we realise this is increasingly a

perception regarding the UK. This isn't an issue just for one

specialism, nor is it just for one hospital, although history suggests

it is more difficult to recruit and we must be careful to ensure there

are sufficient doctors of quality being recruited in the future, in

order to keep services we want to see kept. We move to questions from

the party leaders. We have the leader of the Welsh Liberal

Democrat, Kirsty Williams. recent weeks, half of your labour

colleagues have issued press releases highlighting the extra

money for the poorer schoolchildren made available by the Budget. This

is thanks to a Labour Government, people have been saying. Of course,

everyone knows this is thanks to the insistence of the was Liberal

Democrats doing budget Nick associations. Will you ensure the

other half of your labour colleagues inform their

constituents of this excellent Liberal Democrat policy? I am going

to be generous today and hope the generosity of spirit will continue

tomorrow, and say it is quite right to say it is a Liberal Democrat

idea and we were pleased to take it forward. I am pleased there is a

high-level activity. Indeed there is. The Labour spin machine has

gone into overdrive. The standard press release quotes you are saying

The Wash Government is taking practical action to deliver better

opportunities for disadvantaged children. The schools minister says

it will provide financial assistance to help reduce the

impact on educational attainment. I am not aware of any work towards a

dated attempts to implement policy. Isn't this Liberal Democrat policy

your best achievement this year? accept as part of the budget Nick

associations last year, the grant was approved and it was something

agreed on between the two parties. It is a policy which we are more

than happy to implement and a policy we agree with. As far as we

are concerned, we were more than happy to say it is a policy, one of

many this Government has adopted to ensure the welfare of the people in

Wales is paramount. This time last year you did Whip Labour Assembly

members to vote against it. By the time of the budget you were

persuaded up of the case, now you are enthusiastic supporters.

Despite Labour member voting against, I hope further appropriate

can be made. It would be presumptuous to make any

assumptions as to what happens in the Budget next year in advance of

any talks and of course, the need to come as the Liberal Democrats

see it, to extend the pupil grant will form any part of any talks in

the future. We moved to the leader of the opposition. Yesterday we had

the excellent news of a lecture vocation, the complete package of

electrification of the South Wales a Valley lines and all the way to

Swansea. I'm sure you want to use this time to congratulate the UK

Government on this announcement? is very much welcome and I look

forward to seeing the work begin and it represents what we as a

Government have argued before. had the announcement of the

Heathrow spur, which your predecessor touched on being the

most important announcement for 50 years in relation to the Welsh

economy. That was before the announcement on a letter vocation

of the valley Lines. This level of investment by the UK Government

shows commitment to generating economic prosperity in Wales. Do

you not agree with that statement? The opening of the Heathrow spur, I

hope it happens as soon as possible. It was interesting in those

questions seeing members on your bench agreeing, that those two

major points will help the Welsh economy. But when we look at the

actions of your own Government, is it time you stepped up to the plate

in the field of legislation. We have only had one bill in this, we

have had to millions of pounds cut out of the health budget, 16%

increase in waiting times in Wales and in the field of education, 40%

of primary schoolchildren enter into secondary school with below

the average reading age. Doesn't this compare poorly with the level

of commitment the UK Government has given to Wales in recent days to

the inaction of the Government over I look forward to an agreement

regarding Barnett and borrowing. I remind the opposition that the

electrification between Paddington and Swansea was introduced in June

2009 by the Minister of a different government and in May 2010, the

then incoming government placed a moratorium on electrification.

There is a real announcement of something previously announced by a

Labour government. As far as what we are doing, may I remind the

leader of the opposition... Order. Carry on.

I remind the leader of the opposition that we have the growth

fund, the Investment Fund, the micro business loans, Finance

Wales's Jeremy fund and the Digital Development Plan, the Welsh Life

Sciences fund, the business start- up service. All these are measures

that have been taken to improve our economy despite the buffeting it is

taking as a result of external influences.

Now the leader of Plaid Cymru. You have made it clear that you or

opposed to the welfare reform and benefit cuts coming from the

coalition at Westminster. These cutbacks are a socially harmful and

they are hitting people's pockets and harming the economy. It even

though you have got limited resources to deploy a in countering

these harmful cuts, do you agree with me that there needs to be a

Welsh alternative to austerity if we have any chance of turning

around the Welsh economy? I have just outlined the measures we are

taking in order to support the economy and as the leader of Plaid

Cymru will know, there is a ministerial group assessing the

overall effect of welfare changes on Wales.

Thank you, First Minister. You will no doubt be aware of the recent

warning about council tax benefit cuts. There are concerns about the

lack of time available for local authorities to implement any sort

of replacement scheme for that. These cuts are also go against the

aims of your tackling poverty Action Plan. First Minister, you

have committed to taking a stand against Tory cuts so can you tell

us why you disagreed with Plaid Cymru's call to buy some breathing

space by cancelling these cuts for a year?

We haven't disagreed with anything but when you have something thrown

at you as a responsibility without the budget following, especially in

difficult financial Times, it is exceptionally hard to look up for

the money to make up for the short falls created by the UK government.

We want to make sure that there is fairness across the whole of the UK

and we would urge the UK government to rethink its policy on council

tax benefits or to give us the full amount of the Budget to make sure

the benefits can continue at the same level.

I don't think that is good enough because you said that you would

stand up for the people of Wales against Tory cuts. You could have

shielded people from these cuts to council tax benefit as an emergency

measure get you have chosen not to. You have chosen to have other

priorities. Have you failed to deliver on this, you have failed to

deliver on Barnett reform so far, you have failed to deliver any kind

of fiscal stimulus that would protect jobs in a communities. Can

you tell us how you respond to the words of your adviser who said, I

don't think the Welsh government has been anything like as active as

the Scottish government. As far as an concerned, I have met

many times with UK ministers and I met for the prime minister

yesterday. As far as Plaid Cymru are concerned, their words would

carry more weight if they had any policies at all in terms of

economic stimulus so we are waiting for a proposed Bill that they might

bring forward but I remind the leader of Plaid Cymru once again of

what has been dead to provide the fiscal stimulus. The economic

growth fund, B business loan, the finance world fund, the life

sciences fund, the business start- up service. I repeat these and at

nauseam for some members but it seems Plaid Cymru and listening

because week after week, they make the allegation that nothing has

been done to help business and stimulate the economy in Wales when

the facts show the opposite. We now move back to questions on

the Order Paper. Question 3. What action is the Welsh government

taking to help separated parents resolve maintenance?

This is largely a non devolved area but we do look after the wealth

which -- the welfare of children by encouraging them after separation

where it is in the child's best interest.

It is a largely devolved area but nonetheless an area affecting

people across the whole of the United Kingdom. The evidence shows

that children who went in contact with -- who are in contact with

both parents have a better outlook on life and it is only when it is

an safe that they should not have contact with both parents. What can

tact have you had with the UK government over the resolution on

shared parenting? There was a �50 million scheme launched to support

separated parents to work together more effective way.

We welcome the response to the justice review. We believe it is a

major reform to improve the lives of children and families. A Family

Justice Board have been established to drive these reforms and Welsh

government has secured seats fought Welsh representatives on the board.

Can the First Minister in for almost as to when he will expect a

report on the work of the family operational boards in Wales and

whether advice and support could be offered by that board to separated

parents? I ask this question to help explode the public myth that

separated fathers in Wales do not care about their children's future

when the reverse is the two. Whatever assistance can be given by

the board is welcome. The member is right to point out that many

fathers have historically not seen their children through no fault of

their Rome. I have represented both parties in divorce proceedings and

in years gone by, if there was a determination on behalf of one

parent, that the courts wouldn't intervene and that is not

satisfactory. The move towards shared parenting, where appropriate,

in the interest of the child, is very well go.

Question four. Does the delivery unit have

measures in place for development? We measure direct investment in

terms of GDP, G D HIV. The delivery unit is monitoring the process.

Yesterday's decision to electrify it in effect the whole of the South

Wales rail network will be a boon to market Wales internationally. We

have good rail services in South Wales in terms of their reach and

it is important we build on this and remind people what an

attractive place South Wales is to do business.

Indeed so. The great worry I have is if the line was electrified as

far as Cardiff, Cardiff would be seen as the end of the line. The

fear is that the Vale of Glamorgan line is that is a diversion line

west so if one line was electrified and the other wasn't, that would be

an issue. What we don't know is when the work will begin. We know

when the work will begin to Cardiff but it would be helpful to know

when the work would be begun and finished as far as Swansea and the

Valley lines. You have had a meeting with a

representative of German industry UK during this last year. It is a

body representing German industry is based here in Britain. Are there

any ash comes to those meetings, bearing in mind the importance of

the German economy to Europe and of course likewise, to us here in

Wales? I did meet with him a number of

months ago now and of course, Germany is an exceptionally

important economy from Wales's point of view. What we are

considering at present is whether we need to insure that we should

have someone dealing full-time with Germany on behalf of the Welsh

government in order to ensure we are able to create a more

investment into Wales from Germany. As the Welsh government had any

discussions with her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary about

the impact of budget cuts on policing and budget safety in

Wales? Not with the Inspectorate of

Constabulary. There have been conversations with Constable's.

Policing is not devolved but we are helping with community support

officers. Following the decision by the UK

coalition government to cut police funding in Wales and across the UK

by 20%, you will be aware that a report at the start of July from

the Inspectorate and card -- Inspector of Constabulary revealed

that Welsh forces can expect to lose hundreds of frontline officers

as part of frontline staff going across England and Wales. The

Police Federation say this will have a serious impact on public

safety. In contrast to that, can you confirm that this Welsh

government will stick to its commitment to support community

safety and Kenny also confirm if he has had any support from the

Secretary of State for Wales in fighting for the corner of Welsh

police for so his? I would urge the Secretary of State

to do just that. It is not an issue she has raised with me in terms of

her fighting our corner. As far as the committee's report officers are

concerned, there are around 200 I there deployed or in training. That

was as of last month and that takes us to was the commitment to deploy

a 500 community support officers during the course of this the and

much. -- this government.

North Wales will be one of the 15 areas in the UK tiling

neighbourhood justice panels which will allow trained members of the

public a say in how low-level criminality and anti-social

offenders could make amends for their communities. We confirm if

these panels demonstrate a significant reduction in

reoffending and anti-social behaviour in North Wales, that you

will work with the Ministry of Justice to roll the boards out

across Wales? I look forward to seeing the

results of the project but it doesn't get away from the fact that

fewer police equals more crime. As simple as that. Offenders are not

deterred by the speed of the course, they are not deterred by the

availability of courts and sometimes even by the sentencing.

They are deterred by being caught and if there is less of a risk of

them being caught, that means we will see more of ending which is

why fewer police officers inevitably means there will be more

people to chance their arm, and A few weeks ago, I met with Nick

Herbert, the UK police minister, in Westminster about the cuts. I urged

him to accept the request from the South Wales police that there

should be additional funding for Cardiff in recognition of its

status as a capital city. Does the First Minister agree with me that

the UK Coalition's failure to properly fund these costs does put

additional pressure on frontline policing in Cardiff and it should

be addressed? Indeed, there are extra pressures

on South Wales police because of the current funding formula and

it's important it is re-examined but I never thought I would see the

day when I would see a Conservative lead government elected on the

platform with fewer police. I never thought I would see the day when I

would see Conservatives in this chamber stand behind back. Most

people want to live in communities that are safe and that means having

sufficient police officers to insure those communities are safe

and that is something the UK First Minister, I was under the

assumption that Yvette Cooper had made the same kind of commitment to

police cuts herself. The question away at is that at a time when

there are swingeing cuts in the police budgets, do you agree with

me that it is a bad idea to do. Police commissioners to take money

away from the basic police service and shouldn't we be in discussion

with Westminster on the devolution of the functions of the police

forces, not the police forces themselves, but their functions, in

order to provide effective policing in Wales?

Well, in considering part two of silk, we need to look at that. It

is a fair argument and one that is ongoing in terms of devolution and

the police service is one of the only major services that is not

devolved but in terms of police commissioners, we were against

police commissioners. We now know that these actions will take place

in November. What we don't know is what kind of impact the

commissioners will have in terms of their responsibilities they cannot

interfere with day-to-day police business and it is difficult to see

what the benefit of the As chaos descends on the Olympics

due to the incompetence of the UK government and G4S and it is left

to the public sector, it is left to the public sector to try and pick

up the pieces, South Wales police are likely to be drafted down to

the Olympics... Order, order.

Will you be making any representations to ensure that

adequate policing and community support is available in Wales

whilst our police are travelling to sort out their mess.

I am always amazed that the Conservative benches think they can

shout and it has an effect. They can't be heard out there. All that

can be heard is a low murmur which is as much sense as you would

expect to get out of them but as far as the Member for Pontypridd is

concerned, it is clear that we should have enough security around

the Olympics. The UK government has questions to ask regarding insuring

that security is in place and I really hope it is. We all see what

has happened over the last few days and it is incumbent the UK

government provides assurances to members of the public that

sufficient security will be in place for the Olympic Games.

Some members are very restless this afternoon. I am not looking at

anybody in particular. Andrew RT Davies. Can we move on to the

My question was tabled before the statement but I noted that in the

statement, the Health Minister set out a three-stage process in which

this process would be brought into play and in the first stage, it

related during 2012, when she said it would be further reduced with

the number of then closing to insure the appropriate distribution

of early morning and evening appointments. What is the take-up

of that particular stay to? The Government should ensure that

access is available to all people in Wales by the end of this

government's term. The member has not referred to the survey this

carried out but it was curious. 680 g p practices were written to but

there are only 476 in the whole of Wales so I do wonder what the

accuracy of that survey actually is. We want to work with doctors to

make sure we have access to GP On 18th October, you told the

National Assembly that there is no cost to extending GP opening hours

and in fact, you said if other surgeries in Wales can do it, why

can't those surgeries that currently aunt. What you didn't

tell the Assembly was that the cost of providing extended hours at the

moment to the government is �726,000 per year, or it was in

2010. It is now funded as a direct enhanced service. Given the only

surgeries who do open for extra hours at the moment do so because

they are getting extra cash and given that the NHS is facing

record-breaking cuts as a result of your government decisions in

Cardiff Bay, how do you anticipate you can achieve the GP access

commitment without extra cash? GPs need to work more flexibly. I

think that is reasonable. The taxpayer pays for GPs and the

taxpayer is entitled to a service they can access more easily. I hear

the member opposite talking about record-breaking cuts when only in

the last two days we have heard of plans by health trusts in England

to cut people's pay. Fact doctors, cut their pay, sacked nurses, cut

their pay. He is suggesting that somehow in Wales, things are worse.

We know what would happen if his party was in power in Wales, we

would see nurses, doctors, porkers Elin Jones.

First Minister, it is your government policy to enhance

healthcare in the community given a central role to GPs. Do you share

my concerns that there are 60% fewer GP training places available

in Bronglais Hospital from August this year onwards? There was a

serious impact on staffing levels in this hospital and this was

related to the shortage of funding from the Welsh deanery.

Once again the Deanery has been mentioned. We need to make sure

that doctors are trained in a place they can be trained properly so we

need to ensure there are sufficient places in Wales to train them.

Sufficient placements. Of course, that is why the recruitment

campaign is continuing, bearing in mind that Bronglais Hospital is one

of the hospitals that is difficult to recruit two. It is important

that people will come to Aberystwyth and be trained in

Aberystwyth and those senior doctors are there for that to her

than. What is the Welsh government doing

to tackle substance misuse? We continue to invest over �50

million per annum to implement the actions within the ten-year

Yesterday I ran into a two drug addicts who were also probably

drug-dealers, working in an area which is being beset by people who

are dealing in drugs and causing huge anti-social problems to the

whole community in that area. I just wondered if you could give me

some indication as to how much we can expect substance misuse to rise

in line with increased unemployment, as people often turn to drugs

because they are depressed and are not properly employed.

substance misuse action fund is providing �27.5 million in funding

to community safety partnerships to tackle substance misuse and �5.7

million to improve substance misuse treatment facilities. A further

�17.1 million is ring-fenced for substance misuse services within

the health discretionary budgets. First Minister, for every 10

alcohol-related car accidents on young male drivers admit to driving

after taking drugs. The Crown Communications and Court Bill

announced in this year's Queen's Speech announced proposals to

tackle drunk-driving. Of what correspondent have you had with UK

ministers to protect Welsh interests in this matter? Driving

while under the influence of drugs is already an offence, of course.

It can sometimes be difficult to assess whether they are on drugs or

not. It is easier with the breathalyser and blood tests, which

are normally taken at the police station. But we would very much

support any moves by the UK government to reduce the number of

deaths caused by drug driving and the number of people who drive

I accept your answer about the work of the community safety

partnerships. What is the Government doing to recover

individuals in integrated Peer Support Scheme and do you agree

with establishing a recovery champion scheme, wouldn't only

benefit substance misusers but provide unstable individuals with

the opportunity to contribute to society and support their continued

recovery? The first step to recovery is treatment. Waiting

times have reduced substantially. The latest published figures

between September and October 2011, 7-1 climbs were assessed within 10

days of referral and 91% were treated within 10 days of

assessment. There are areas where waiting times are higher than we

would want. We are working with those area planning boards.

Question number eight. Will the First Minister provide an update on

the Welsh Government's policies for looked after children in Wales?

are progressing with plans to improve the lives of looked at two

children which builds on our innovative if programmes to support

families, including integrated family support services. The latest

year in which figures are available show a further 5% increase in the

number of children looked after by local authorities in Wales. It is a

trend which has been established for a 20 year period. Would you

welcome the decision of the newly elected Labour authority in Cardiff

to develop a social impact on, tailored to Welsh circumstances?

And if successful it would allow the Welsh authority to re-engineer

services to allow families to stay together rather than taking

children into care? That approach is very much in line with ours, and

we welcome the initiative. It is an initiative which invests in

programmes which supports these the rebel groups. Cardiff will need to

undertake a proper valuation, but I do look forward to seeing how it

develops. STUDIO. That is it from First

Minister's Questions until September. As usual, Welsh affairs

editor Vaughn Roderick is here. But anyone was watching last week they

would have heard us say that was the most exciting First Minister's

Questions we would have seen, not so today? It was a bit flat today.

Kirsty Williams trying to take the credit she feels is due. He gave it.

He disarmed her by saying, sure. Then she came across as petulant

and ungracious. Leanne Wood I think had one of her First Minister's

Questions. She was responding to what Carwyn Jones was saying. A bit

of a surprise none of the opposition leaders or any other

members chose to go on the questions surrounding the Health

Secretary. - the health minister rather. I would have thought they

could have brought the heat up on Lesley Griffiths before the no

confidence vote tomorrow. How has the no confidence motion ran out of

steam? Assuming all Labour Am's are here and press the right button,

they won't lose the vote? Even if the opposition party members are

here, and it appears not all of them, maybe, the numbers don't

stack up for the opposition to win the vote. A lot of people are

beginning to look at Lesley Griffiths appearance before the

health committee as being the thing that made beside her long-term

future. There are some people on the Labour benches, while they

backed Lesley Griffiths, have doubts about her as health minister.

There is some talk Carwyn Jones should look at a reshuffle over the

summer. It is very low level, but it might be more important to her

future on how well she comes across in the health committee, rather

than the actual debate in the Chamber. Another person who has

been changing around her team, Leanne Wood has appointed Elin

Jones as her deputy leader? Yes, Linda maze Johnson said it is

better to have somebody inside the tent spitting out. Elin Jones came

second in the leadership race, and it is an idea to keep your end of -