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Good afternoon. Welcome to am.pm. It's the first day of the new

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Assembly term today and after a three month recess, I'm sure our

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elected members are feeling refreshed and ready to go, as are

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we here on am.pm. We'll get to see them in action during First

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Minister's Questions shortly and we'll also speak to our political

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reporter Brian Meechan, too. Before all of that, I'll give you

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the opportunity to get in touch with us if you want to comment on

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anything on the programme or any other political news, for that

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matter. You can reach us via Twitter @walespolitics. Or send us

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Twitter @walespolitics. Or send us Twitter @walespolitics. Or send us

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an email at [email protected]. Business is already underway in the

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chamber, but let's take a look now at today's questions to the First

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The the the first question is from Joyce Watson. Were the First

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Minister provide an update on a review of qualifications for 14-19

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year-olds. The review board intends to submit its final report in

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November. I thank the deputy minister forced skills for his

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minister -- his statement last week. You not think that the considered

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review going on that involves listening to parents, schools,

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colleges, employers and young people is in marked contrast to a

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unilateral announcements coming from Westminster and that narrow

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minded fixation with creating more school failures that has fuelled

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the GCSE fiasco. You will know that on Friday 21st September, an

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unprecedented group of educational bodies started a legal challenge

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over the GCSEs in England. Are you coming to the question? Has Nick

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Clegg got it wrong on education again and the do you think he

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should say he is so, so sorry? Minister in Wales, Leighton Andrews,

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took the right decision following a report that was repaired by

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officials. I'm sure students here appreciate the fact that fairness

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has been put into action. Can I remind members that we are

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looking for short, sharp questions this term. That includes everybody.

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Angela Burns. My question to you is, would you ask the Minister for

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Education if he would consider the qualifications review looking at

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the whole issue of whether or not we are to have an independent

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regulator for whatever qualification cities that the

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review brings forward. What is clear to me that in Wales, the

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system worked and when in England, it did not. Further evidence is

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provided by the fact that a review is taking place of the regulator

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and in -- Road later in England and there is no such revered taking

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place in Wales. Will the Government retained a similar manner system of

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GCSEs in Wales. What would your Government do? We are awaiting the

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submission of that report. But will be ready in November and ministers

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will then look at the conclusions of the report and come to decisions

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from there. A number of statements were made but qualifications over

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the summer. The deputy minister in considering the review has stated

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that any decision will be based on evidence. Will you ensure as a

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Government that that evidence will be available to all members across

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the Chamber so that we can also consider the recommendations from

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the review. We will do a our best and there will be an opportunity

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for members to ensure that they do have an opportunity to consider the

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plans after the report has been published. This minster, you may be

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aware of Commons made by the Chief Inspector of Ofsted that the

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obvious gap in English back proposals is the lack of any

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serious proposal for discussion about the Catia are qualifications.

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Can he confirm that the era Verschueren Wales will deliver a

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meaningful pathway for Vocational qualifications. The review of

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qualifications has consulted widely on the future of the British are

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qualifications. The early indication we have of the analysis

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suggests there is a need to address both the rigour and the purpose of

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vocational qualifications and that analysis will inform ministers the

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decisions on the future of qualifications in Wales.

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TRANSLATION: How does the Welsh Government hope to solve staffing

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problems in the Welsh NHS? We are introducing a new planning

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framework for the NHS than those which will support the NHS in

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delivering sustainable services. We expect all NHS organisations to

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develop a robust reinforce plans with opportunities for innovative

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ways of working to support its delivery. Do you agree with me that

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medical colleges in Wales have a possibility of train and to deliver

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a number of medical staff for NHS was in a future. We have launched a

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campaign to attract more medical staff into Wales. But does not been

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held that the visa rules have been changed. There are fewer workers

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from abroad considering Wales as an option. Depending on those people,

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it is very important, of course, that the medical colleges to ensure

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that services are delivered in a way that is safe. I think that is

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something the public would expect for the future. The RCN has warned

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that community nurses in Wales are overburdened and spending less time

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with patients on they are concerned that vulnerable patients could face

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being discharged from hospital before Clint to care is in place.

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How why you ensuring that health boards investor and community

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nursing to ensure care is available. We have been focusing on committee

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nursing. A group was set up in 2009 and three outcomes of the group

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have been, for example, the improvement of chronic disease

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management, the development of seen as care and also continuing

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education in the sense that educational community nurses has

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improved. We now have who modules for staff nurses to upgrade their

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knowledge and skills. Do you accept that one of the reasons we have got

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stopping problems in the Welsh NHS is because of the very poor

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workforce planning by successive Labour lead administrations over

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the years in Wales. Two also accept that the uncertainty of the

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hospital services is a major contributory factor to the problems

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that we are experiencing? They have been a recruitment problems for the

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best part of 20 years. That has affected governments of either

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party. We are putting steps in place to resolve those problems.

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They have been made worse by your Government's decision to restrict

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visas. That does not help in terms of attracting doctors into the UK.

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We also see what is happening in England, where there is now what it

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-- an admission that NHS funding has not been ring-fenced, I am sure

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that people in those will value the fact that they live in Wales where

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the NHS is treasured. You will know that the decision to change the

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visa regime was made by the last Labour Government, not by the

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current Government. Nevertheless, it has been indicated in

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conversations I have had had the UK Government that there are

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mechanisms in which you can't recruit from overseas. -- you can.

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We you engage about the situation in East and Tarbet wearing a major

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part of my agent is deprived of a local access to it do you to

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medicine and with a major impact on Morriston and Bridgend in terms of

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people having to wait longer to be seen in accident and emergency.

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difficulty was that they tried hard to recruit doctors. They had an

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interview process. Some of the people shortlisted did not turn up

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and there was very difficult to recruit the right medical staff

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with a proper qualifications. We saw what was decided. With that in

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mind, we have to make sure our health services are as accessible

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and as safe as possible. That means, of course, there will be occasions

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when it is difficult to recruit doctors in some areas to ensure

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services are organised for the benefit of patients. Let's have

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questions from the Leader of the Opposition.

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In the first four months of this financial year, several health

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boards have run up considerate deficits. All these on a year that

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your Government is insisting they make some to �2 million worth of

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savings, �68 million worth in one case and �45 million worth in

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another case. There is a real financial storm happening within

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the Welsh NHS. Is it still your Government's contention that you

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will insist that local health boards can in on budget or will you

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be offering them the end of year flexibility like you did last year?

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Where they are just slightly short on budget, we will help them.

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Bearing in mind the situation in England is that many health boards

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are close to by Chris -- bankruptcy. I will make it clear, we expect

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them to come in on target. But they are slightly short, we will look to

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see what we can do to help, but I want to make it absolutely clear

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that they must be just short of the target. From the answer, I would

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suggest you have given some flexibility to local health boards.

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Euro Health Minister said that she will not to bail them out this year.

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I think the record would show that you were now offering them a degree

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of flexibility. When you listen to Tina Donovan, who are saying that

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ticket services face collapse this winter because of the pressures

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they are under an integer run Chief Medical Officer in August of this

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year highlighted the enormous pressure that accident and

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emergency is under across the whole of Wales, do not think it is time

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that there was better leadership coming from the Welsh Government in

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working covertly with local health boards to do with these issues and

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to take on any real concerns that people are flagging up time and

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time again. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say on the one

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hand so that more money should be spent on health and then when we

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try to happen, he says we should not have them. He cannot have it

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both ways. We have done the best we to insure people in Wales had the

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best service possible in an era of Tory and slip them cuts. A isn't it

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amazing that he there reverts to England rather than her except in

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his responsibility and we have said time and time again, the only way

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you will deliver a safe, sustainable services in Wales to

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the health service is to protect the health budget. It is you that

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is taking �538 million out of the health service. It is your Health

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Minister that is saying to people that they have to come in on

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budgets. We have no problem with you make any money available that

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endorses our position. When we look at the doctors and medical position

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that many hospitals are finding themselves in, shouting minor

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injuries in one hospital for example, other hospitals having to

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shut wards for two weeks over the summer, there is a real issue about

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your Government's ability to attract doctors into Wales to work

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in a Welsh hospitals. Why is it that you say there is a tidal wave

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of doctors' waiting to get out of the English NHS to wickedly Welsh

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NHS won so many vacancies exist within the Welsh NHS and local

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services are being shut? Are you not hoodwinking the communities

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across Wales who depend on these key services? One of the biggest

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deceptions practised by the party opposite is to divorce themselves

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with what is happening in the UK level. They are financed by the UK

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Treasury. Our funding has been cut substantially and we have to cut

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our cloth. He has been demanding we do it and what we have done is we

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have protected the health budget as best we can, whereas his party,

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let's remember, his party wanted to cuts education spending by 20% and

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to cut local Government spending, or at a time when hard-pressed

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families were finding it difficult to make ends meet. The party of tax

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rises, the party of tax people that of finding it difficult at the

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moment and the party that practices the biggest deception on the barge

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people. -- Welsh people. As a fellow trade unionists, I am sure

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that you would agree with me that the broad range and variety of

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trade unions in Wales should be seen as an asset, particularly when

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we are planning a frontline services at this difficult economic

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time. Can you tell us what mechanisms your Government has in

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place to ensure that all voices argued within the decision-making

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process. We consult widely with the trade unions. We value them as

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social partners. Whenever there are discussions regarding the future of

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a service, we end of the unions because we know they are run

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important part of the decision- making process. Plaid Cymru believe

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that all trade unions and professional bodies have a role to

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play in ensuring that the expertise of staff involves decision making

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forever possible. The workforce partnership council is a good

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example of this. I wonder if you can tell us how you would ensure

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that the workforce partnership council will contain a diverse

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range of abuse representing unions, both in sides the traditional trade

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union structure and those outside, The the does represent a wide range

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of views. There is a trade-off between involving as many

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organisations as possible without involving so many that the whole

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council becomes unwieldy. Thank you, First Minister. We know

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from your Green Paper that you are considering giving legislation to

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give a statutory footing to decision made by the work

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partnership council. If the council is to be strengthened, it is

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essential that the membership reflects the whole of the public

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sector and the trade union movement. A Plaid Cymru Government would

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ensure the council is representative of the whole of the

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public sector workforce including non-trade union bodies including

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the RCN which represents 25% of the NHS workforce. Can you now reassure

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us this afternoon that organisations like the RCN and the

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BMA won't be excluded from your workforce partnership council?

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Well, the RCN wanted to be part of the council for sometime. They told

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you that. The difficulty is that if you have one or two more bodies on

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and there are others who want to be part of it and soon the whole thing

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becomes unwieldy. What is important, is there is there is sufficient

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consultation with those not directly members of the workship

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partnership council and that's something we stride to do.

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First Minister, could you update the assembly as to exactly how many

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doctors, in what specialities and to which hospitals you have

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recruited? Those figures will be made available as the campaign

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progresses. It has not been in place for a great length of time

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yet. I take it First Minister, that you

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simply don't know how many doctors you have recruited. We have had a

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summer of headlines where hospital units had to close close because of

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a lack of medical staff, in the royal Glamorgan hospital, we have

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seen mental health facilities close all because of a lack of medical

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doctors for a very long time you said that the Labour Party want to

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create a world-class Health Service in Wales. How much longer will we

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have to wait for that world-class service and to see adequate numbers

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of doctors working in our hospitals?

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The shamble your party created in England. As far as Wales is

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concerned, it is the case there are issues regarding medical

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recruitment that have been in force for sometime. The colleges

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increasingly want doctors to work in larger groups and that's a new

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development. Also doctors want to work in larger centres. This is

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something that's been made to -- a point point made to many times. We

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took the view that we would launch a campaign to recruit doctors into

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Wales and we expect that campaign to succeed.

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First Minister, that campaign was started a number of months ago and

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you are unable to tell this assembly how many additional staff

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have been recruited. You say that doctors want to come and work in

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larger units. Over the summer a number of boards have con out to --

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gone out to consultation on that plan to create larger units, but

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their plans will only be able to be delivered if they recruit more

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doctors and one hospital will need an additional nine consultants.

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Another have doubts over their ability to recruit the number of

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paediatricians they need to maintain the paediatric services.

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When will your Government take additional action to recruit the

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doctors that Wales' NHS and Wales' patients need? The reality is that

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we're facing difficult changes in the NHS. We understand that. But it

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is also the case that we need to ensure that consultants feel that

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working in some parts of Wales, it is more difficult to recruit in

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some parts of Wales than others and it is something they see as

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worthwhile and something that will help them with their career

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progression and that's what we are doing. We have been working with

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consultants on the recruitment campaign in order to attract people

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into Wales and we are recruiting consultants and doctors into Wales.

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There is some way to go, but we anticipated that. That's why we

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launched the campaign. We move back to questions on the

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paper and and question three, Suzie Davis.

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Good afternoon, First Minister. What progress has the Welsh

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Government made in making emergency life-saving skills a part of the

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school curriculum? Well, the framework provides facilities to

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teach skills to our young people. There are no plans to review this,

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but it does exist as part of the framework.

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It is almost a year ago since the Deputy First Minister committed to

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considering teaching of life-saving skills. In the light of concerns

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about school standards, could you tell us when your Government might

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be reviewing a curriculum content or was the deputy Minister's wishes

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kicking the wishes of parents in the long grass? Changes To the

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curriculum are done in other ways. The qualifications review has not

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reported and these are issues that will be considered once the report

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is available and ready to be analysed.

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TRANSLATION: The towns working hard. The current sta statistic for those

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who survive a heart attack outside hospital is 10%. I am please that

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had our Health Minister has launched a new scheme for patients.

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What further action is the Welsh Government taking to promote

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emergency life-saving skills? the work that is progressing as

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part of Action in Wales as part of the cardiac scheme, we are work

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with St John's and the ambulance services and the health boards in

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order, of corks to improve -- of corks to improve the services in

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Wales. Thank you. As someone who used to

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work in the emergency life-saving sector I think it is very important

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that we do take into consideration having lessons in schools because

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not all people in Wales know how to respond in emergency situations so

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I ask the First Minister again, will you look to represent the

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views of the young people who have come before the committee asking

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for the statutory lessons in Wales for for life-saving? Well, as I

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said this will be considered once we know the conclusions of the

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review. As regards it is something the Deputy First Minister will

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consider. Will the First Minister make a

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statement on the Welsh Government's procedure to to seeking legal

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advice? Yes, legal advice can be sought by submitting a request to

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the legal services department. Then Welsh Government lawyers work with

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other officials to ensure that any legal issues are addressed as early

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as possible. With regard tote bye-laws Bill.

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Whilst you might have received advice from the Welsh Office, as

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well as the council general, you and the Minister for Local

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Government chose to ignore that advice. Will you explain to this

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chamber and to the people of Wales, why you chose to do this? Are you

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not now embarrassed that the first ever Bill to come forward from this

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institution has now found its way to the Supreme Court?

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Well, we didn't refer it. The UK Government referred it. She was on

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the committee that dealt with this Bill and she never mention this

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point in all the time that she examined the Bill. Can I make one

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thing clear? The council general is representing the Welsh Government

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in the hearing in October. Make of that what you will. This is also,

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of course, a criticism of the assembly commission and the

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Presiding Officer. Also I can tell the member that Northern Ireland

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are also part of the hearing and they will be supporting our

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position. It is not a case of somehow Wales is on its own on this.

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Northern Ireland see the point. They are supporting us and wre

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await -- we await the outcome of the hearing in October.

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TRANSLATION: Well, First Minister, I am sure that you are always aware

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that the need for legal advice has increased following the fact that

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this institution has been given legislation power. How much of that

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advice does the First Minister believe is required within the

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Government and how much legal advice will need to be commissioned

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outside the Civil Service? Can he tell us what the balance is at

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present? There will be certain issues where it it would be worth

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employing full-time lawyers within the Government. It will be issues

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and we may need to commission services from time to time to

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ensure that correct advice is provided to ministers. Of course,

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we need to strengthen the number of lawyers that we have in house, but

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I don't see a time coming when everything will be dealt with in

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house if I can put it in those terms because there will be certain

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issues which will arise from time to time maybe once or twice every

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five years so there is point in having a full-time employee to deal

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with those. Question five.

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What steps are being taken by the Welsh Government to address obesity

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in Wales? We launched the pathway in 2010 which sets out prevention

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and treatment for obesity from early intervention to specialist

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services. Earlier this month, the New York

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City Health Board agreed to outlaw the provision of fizzy drinks in

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restaurants that are provided with a rating which the New York

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authorities because of the amazing contribution which such drinks make

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to the problem of obesity. With a Public Health Bill on the horizon

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in Wales, would the Welsh Government consider that course of

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action and see whether it is something we might want to

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replicate here? What they have done in New York City is limit the size

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of drinks rather than ban them. There are in some American sports

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stadiums drinks that can be bought that contain 600 calories, but it

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gives you some idea of the size of American porsz compared to urs --

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portions compared to ours. I will ask my officials to look at

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examples from other countries and consider whether we have the powers

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to regulate, if appropriate, in Wales.

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First Minister, the obesity problem is becoming he can a huge problem

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in Wales. You will know in the latest annual health health survey

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indicates there is a reduction in the eating of fruit and vegetables

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and more than half of adults are overweight. Is it not time to

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relook at your policies to increase the reduction in this serious

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disease? Well, if you look at our Change For

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Life Campaign. That That helps families to eat well and exercise

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more and live longer by providing ideas to address their eating

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habits. 8 500 families signed up to Games For Life since July and we

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expect that to have a real outcome on reducing obesity in Wales.

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First Minister, when the party of Wales were in Government, we

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introduced a programme to help children who were above a healthy

:28:28.:28:32.

weight to become fitter and happier. Since we have left Government, we

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have seen headlines about our obesity problems. You seem

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reluctant to adopt our policy. What we are doing is not working. What

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radical ideas do you have to tackle this issue, please?

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The new title his party seems to have, but as far as his concerned,

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we would expect, of course, health visitors to take an why in people's

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lives and -- -- healths. We have the Change For Life Campaign and

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that will lead to a reduction in obesity.

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The Food programme highlighted the food and drink sold in cinemas. 85%

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of these items are for profit, are for pure profit and it is difficult

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to see how these cinemas will stop selling this junk and it was

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established that it was all junk, of no nutritional value whatsoever

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and the sell that goes on in cinemas persuade families to buy

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this stuff. Would your Government consider putting a measure into the

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Public Health Bill because I can't see how the matter is going to

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change. It is akin to the tobacco industry, they gave people cancer.

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Cinemas know this is causing obesity. It has no nutritional

:30:07.:30:17.
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content and people buy additional A I can say it is important to

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provide a supporting environment in which the children and young people

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can make healthy choices. Last week, we issued two guidance strategies.

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They give advice to support the production of healthy food and

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drink at leisure venues. TRANSLATION: May I ask the First

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Minister what agreement see -- what discussions he held with the Prime

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Minister of the UK during the summer recess. I met him at the

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joint ministerial committee last Wednesday. For the First Minister

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take every opportunity it to explain to the the Prime Minister

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and Deputy Prime Minister as in the UK that it is no business of theirs

:31:14.:31:20.

to make comments on devolved policies in Wales, particularly

:31:20.:31:26.

education matters. The it is right. We believe that, in fairness, that

:31:26.:31:30.

is not quite how it stands as regard to the English ministers. It

:31:30.:31:36.

is a bit of an irony that we are recluse by Nick Clegg that we are

:31:36.:31:41.

criticising the UK Government all the time. We do not. What he does

:31:41.:31:46.

is criticised the Welsh Government. There is an irony there. We are the

:31:46.:31:49.

responsible Government in Wales and we are very disappointed in seeing

:31:49.:31:55.

what has been set by Nick Clegg, who has taken a stance against the

:31:55.:32:02.

interest of the end people Wales. During the summer, the GMB are

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published statistics highlighting that one in three workers in Wales

:32:07.:32:11.

will be at risk of having their bridges cut if the Tory Lib Dem

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Coalition Government, through on their plans to reduce regional pay

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in Wales. Will you re- offend the Welsh Government total and

:32:19.:32:26.

unqualified opposition to the introduction of regional pay.

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which at that. By welcome what the leader of the Liberal Democrats has

:32:30.:32:35.

been saying about that and, also what Jim Anderson has been saying.

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Peopling Wales do not deserve to be paid less for doing the same thing

:32:41.:32:45.

as people in England. It is as simple as that. Of course they are,

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says the Leader of the Opposition. Now we know where he stands. Can I

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say to him, things cost the same, if not more, in those than many

:32:53.:32:59.

parts of England. Petrol, food, it does not cost less to shop in

:32:59.:33:03.

Tesco's in Bridgend than it does and Tesco in Bristol. This is

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nothing but an attempt to remove money from hard-working families

:33:07.:33:11.

across the UK at a time when the UK Government, once again, is trying

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to target those who are most vulnerable. I made no such

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allegation. Here were the only leader in this Chamber who is

:33:22.:33:25.

leading a party that interest original pay into Wales. Get your

:33:25.:33:29.

facts right. The point I was going to make here was, what actions have

:33:29.:33:34.

you taken it over the summer months to promote Cardiff airport in

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respect of the aviation policy of the UK. Because I raised this with

:33:39.:33:42.

you win cheering and to indicated that you would take action to raise

:33:42.:33:45.

it with the Prime Minister that Cardiff airport should be

:33:45.:33:49.

considered in the next to alleviate overcrowding over the south-east of

:33:49.:33:53.

England. I hope that you have taken that. Forward in your meetings with

:33:53.:33:58.

the Prime Minister of the last couple of weeks. The Leader of the

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Opposition should be careful what he says in the sides. He had an

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opportunity to declare his opposition to a regional pay and he

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failed. He failed to do so in this Chamber. He asked about Cardiff

:34:10.:34:15.

airport. He will see the announcement made today. He will

:34:15.:34:18.

see what Cardiff airport itself has said about the gritted they have

:34:18.:34:22.

expressed for the support of the barge Government. Once again, he is

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on the wrong side of the argument. He claimed the airport was fined.

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He attacked as Thornton to take the are put forward. I will tell you

:34:31.:34:34.

something, I have spoken to airport workers, they are not impressed

:34:34.:34:43.

with him. We the First Minister make his Dymond on discussions he

:34:43.:34:47.

has had with the UK Government on the impact of high energy cost with

:34:47.:34:53.

Welsh industry. I have raised this issue on a number of occasions. I

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raised it with the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister last

:34:56.:35:00.

week. I recently wrote to the Secretary of State for business,

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innovation and skills to reiterate that priority must be given one

:35:04.:35:08.

considering measures to relieve the impact of high energy prices on

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manufacturers. During the summer, use of the excellent work that has

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been made to on plus bonus number of four and the Investment commend

:35:18.:35:20.

to roads through tighter still. They have indicated that the

:35:20.:35:24.

difficult economic conditions may have had an impact on the starting

:35:24.:35:29.

up on that blast furnace because of the high energy cars on the carbon

:35:29.:35:35.

tax which will disadvantage such industries based in Wales. What is

:35:35.:35:38.

the Welsh Government doing to support judge and a heavy

:35:38.:35:43.

industries to create a level playing Dean -- few to enhance

:35:43.:35:50.

their competitiveness in the market? Who did share a Senedd last

:35:50.:36:00.
:36:00.:36:02.

week in a London office on energy intensive -- I did chair a meeting.

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There has been a report in 2006 but the benefits of increasing business

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of early transitional action in relation to improving environmental

:36:11.:36:15.

performance. Can you tell me what aspects of the summit meeting last

:36:15.:36:20.

week were focused on this issue and what specific action points emerged

:36:20.:36:24.

regarding voluntary improving environmental performance and

:36:24.:36:29.

increasing energy inefficiency? Those who attended have taken great

:36:29.:36:32.

steps to improve their energy efficiency. A critic has been done

:36:32.:36:38.

over the past few years to do that. The reality is is that if energy is

:36:38.:36:41.

cheaper in other countries, no matter how efficient people become,

:36:41.:36:46.

they will move to those other countries. It is a factor that

:36:46.:36:49.

injured -- industry is paying less in Germany, France, Spain. I'm

:36:49.:36:55.

worried that we will lose the shops were already have. It is a problem

:36:55.:37:02.

for the UK as a whole. -- jobs. TRANSLATION: One of those

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industries where there are high a few what costs is in the dairy

:37:08.:37:12.

farming industry. He made reference in your responses today a number of

:37:12.:37:17.

times that what is concerning in England. This matter is under your

:37:17.:37:22.

control. One of the answers for Derek promises to have a winner on

:37:22.:37:26.

their own plan to generate and it just jam site. Is your Government

:37:26.:37:30.

supportive of sub -- such applications are will put there be

:37:30.:37:33.

any reference to that any planning Bill that will be coming before the

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Assembly? We do want to promote it micro generation. This is not

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something that will necessarily be contained within the Bill, but it

:37:49.:37:53.

were to -- it would be considered in giving guidance to local

:37:53.:37:56.

authorities as to what they do in the future because this is

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something that I believe that should be placed in planning

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guidance rather than on the face of they belong measure. In the light

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of discussions that you have referred to with the UK Government,

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what steps will you be taking to promote aspects of the year Crean

:38:16.:38:21.

dealer and indeed Welsh Government programmes to reduce the impact of

:38:21.:38:27.

higher energy costs derived from the fossil fuel market on Welsh

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industry and household? We will seek to do that. The industry's we

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are talking about a very energy intensive. Some of them to generate

:38:35.:38:39.

their re-empower and have taken great strides to reduce their bills,

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but they are paying more than elsewhere. It seems to happen and

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the UK is that the wholesale prices are similar to us when Europe, but

:38:45.:38:51.

through a number of ways, the actual price paid by the industrial

:38:51.:38:56.

customer in the UK is more than elsewhere in Europe. It is done

:38:56.:38:59.

through a number of different ways. The punter would make is that it is

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crucial that we create a level playing field in the UK that does

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not exist at the moment. This is a message I'm having on a regular

:39:08.:39:13.

basis from our energy intensive industries. Well first minster make

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a statement on what the Welsh Government is done to help people

:39:16.:39:21.

find employment in Islwyn. We are delivering on a programme for

:39:21.:39:24.

Government commitments to extend the current issue ISPs and to

:39:24.:39:30.

create 4,000 jobs each year for young people. -- apprenticeships.

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It has not been an easy sum up for the work force in Remploy. They

:39:36.:39:39.

have been let down by the UK Government's determination to take

:39:39.:39:44.

down their jobs. I know how serious your Government has taken it

:39:44.:39:47.

finding employment and you have made funds available. Can you tell

:39:48.:39:51.

me what further steps are you taking so that local employers

:39:51.:39:56.

understand that money is available to take these people are back into

:39:56.:40:03.

the workplace. As you rightly say, the Government has established an

:40:03.:40:08.

substitute de -- subsidy to insisting disabled Remploy workers

:40:08.:40:12.

to gain employment in new organisations. Employers support

:40:12.:40:16.

grant is easily accessible and offers employers a low risk

:40:16.:40:21.

opportunity to utilise key skills, qualities and experience as from

:40:21.:40:24.

May Porlock will -- the employed workers who have recently been made

:40:24.:40:29.

redundant. The Welsh Government team has been set up to identify

:40:30.:40:33.

and assist employers looking to understand the capabilities of the

:40:33.:40:38.

Remploy work force in order that they may gain employment in the

:40:38.:40:41.

future. That's it for First Minister's

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Questions this week. You can, of course, see more coverage of the

:40:44.:40:47.

National Assembly online from BBC Wales's Democracy Live page at

:40:47.:40:49.

bbc.co.uk/walespolitics. Right, let's talk about First

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Minister's Questions. Our reporter Brian Meechan is in Cardiff Bay for

:40:52.:41:00.

us this afternoon. That was the first one back, the

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curtain raiser of the season, if you like. But it you make of that

:41:04.:41:09.

the performance? I think there were three big pines that came out today.

:41:09.:41:14.

The first one was obviously the argument over exams between the UK

:41:14.:41:17.

Government on the Welsh Government that has been rumbling on over the

:41:17.:41:21.

summer and there is no sign of its stubborn. There are plenty of other

:41:21.:41:24.

areas to come out cheer. The Conservatives are obviously talking

:41:24.:41:29.

about it. There has to be an independent regulator after

:41:29.:41:34.

Leighton Andrews order to that exam to be recruited for Welsh students

:41:34.:41:37.

whilst Michael Grove did not have the same thing for English students.

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There is the top of the English back laureate been injured,

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changing the exam system. What that will mean in terms of how children

:41:46.:41:50.

in Wales will be examined in the future. They have been mentioned

:41:50.:41:55.

was NHS funding. The rum lot of changes being proposed across local

:41:55.:41:58.

health boards. There were heated but debates going on between the

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Assembly members about that. The other very important thing that we

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will hear more of is the idea of the UK Government inducing regional

:42:06.:42:12.

paid in Wales for workers that they are responsible force. There was an

:42:12.:42:17.

intervention from the Presiding Officer was to Assembly members to

:42:17.:42:23.

ask shorter, sharper questions. As is a response to the news that some

:42:23.:42:26.

Assembly members have been receiving training from a QC,

:42:26.:42:29.

amongst other things, to sharpen up their questions? Some people might

:42:29.:42:33.

have thought the question should have been as sharp as possible

:42:33.:42:39.

after �10,000 has been spent on the extra training. This is a BBC World

:42:39.:42:44.

story where we have discovered that this �10,000 was paid to a QC to

:42:44.:42:48.

teach Assembly members had to ask questions. Not only that, they were

:42:48.:42:53.

also taught her to sit, where to position themselves at tables, and

:42:53.:42:57.

how to dress. The Assembly commission which is responsible for

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that �10,000 payment is saying that Assembly Member has a deserved to

:43:01.:43:06.

get extra training and development. I would like to think we do not

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need that kind of training. There were last you a very sharp question.

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Have you picked anything up around the building today? Absolutely.

:43:13.:43:16.

Andrew RT Davies has been telling us he is particularly and happier

:43:16.:43:20.

with what he has caught the pantomime of First Minister's

:43:20.:43:26.

Questions. -- and happy. He said the First Minister is blaming the

:43:26.:43:29.

UK Government and every time any question comes up that he finds

:43:29.:43:34.

particularly difficult. However, the Welsh First Minister would say

:43:34.:43:38.

that a lot of the issues in terms of the founding does come from the

:43:38.:43:42.

UK Government. I relieve people to decide for themselves whether it

:43:42.:43:47.

was a pantomime today or not. sure Carwyn Jones would say, oh, no,

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