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The High Cost of Cheap Clothes

Live debate from Derry/Londonderry, where a panel of celebrities, politicians and local activists discuss the high price of cheap clothes in front of an audience of young people.

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want to hear from you. -- this is a grand. The only show where you can


express issues that you want to hear about. You make your own luck in


this world. I can't lose an entire generation. You have got people


spitting about being statistics. government telling you what to do,


it is so patronising. Oh, my God. St Columb's Hall in Derry,


Londonderry, call it what you will, here we are. We want to hear what


everyone here has two say and what you at home have two say as well.


You have do tell Tina Daheley. you very much. Tell me your opinions


and I will bring them to the heart of our discussion in the studio. Get


your laptops and tablets and phones ready, get online. One easy way to


get your voice heard is via the Power Bar. It responds in real-time


to what you think of the panel's points of view and it operates via


twitter. Just use hash tag yes, or hash tag no, followed by the first


name of a panellist each time you agree or disagree. And our panel's


first job is to tell us who they are and why they are here. My name is


Colum Eastwood, I am an STL P MLA for Derry, I am glad to be here to


engage with you on the issues of today. I am Zoe Salmon, I am a TV


broadcaster and I am here to hear your views. I am Alastair Ross,


member of the Northern Ireland assembly. I am president of the


National union of students, union of students in Ireland and I believe


passionately in youth and student conference in the last hour, the


prime minister has described the killing of a man outside an army


barracks in south London is absolutely sickening. He said


details were still coming in but there is every indication it was a


terrorist attack. The victim is thought to be a soldier who was


attacked with knives and a meat cleaver. A question to each of our


panellists, what do you think the government response should he?


express my condolences to this man's family, it sounds like a very


barbaric attack. What we need to do is remember that this is the act of


madmen and our response needs to be proportional to that. The government


and the community need to be aware that these are madmen and we should


not stoop to their level. As David Cameron has said in the last half an


hour, if this is in fact a terrorist attack, we have very little


information at the moment, we can't let the terrorists win. We need to


do our best to go on and live our lives. We can't let the terrorists


win. It is an absolutely horrific event. We have heard some news


coming through at the moment, irrespective of who these people


work and what their motivation was, it was an evil act. What we learned


in the aftermath of the Boston bombings, social media plays an


important role, people put rumours and speculation on twitter and


Facebook, people should resist from doing that. I want to echo the


comments of the rest of the panel, it is a terrible thing that has


happened but let's not jump to conclusions. Somebody has lost their


life and we need to give the family time to grieve. Let's get back to


our main topic. The whole world was shocked when they garment factory in


Anglo - collapsed, killing over 1100 workers. Is it time to start


thinking about how and why we shop. We have spoken to Meehail and


Colleen, who have very different of age. When I heard the factory had


collapsed in Bangladesh, I was shocked and outraged. I could no


longer sick back and watch it so I decided to organise a demonstration


in the high Street in Derry. The aim was to nick people aware of where


their clothes come from and to place as much pass -- pressure as possible


to sign the Bangladesh safety agreement. I am Colleen and I am 20


and I am studying hairdressing. I do need access to cheap clothes. They


shut down all of the cheap shots, I wouldn't be able to afford to go


into any other shops. For a trainee, I don't think I earn a lot of money.


For �46 a week, I have do give housekeeping, have to pay travel,


have two pay for food and entertainment, toiletries and food.


I love shopping, it is my world and I would be lost without it. I think


cheap clothes cost lives. I think in many cases, the cost is much more


important than the condition. I think the quantity of cheap clothes


on the market, and the low cost of them, encourages people to buy more


than they need. I like to drive -- buy dresses, they make me feel


better about myself. I should think about where my clothes are made, but


I don't. Colleen is here. What would you like to ask the panel?


shouldn't I buy cheap clothes? want to keep this debate moving, you


have 30 seconds to give us a taste of your point of view. I think we


all have a responsibility for the things that we buy and the people


that make those things. I think we should spend a little more, not a


lot more, to try to make sure people who are making our clothes are


protected and given human rights and dignity that would be expected by


all of us. Globalisation shouldn't just be a bad thing, we can export


the good parts of what we do. If you look at the fair trade movement,


with tea and coffee, that can be similarly done with clothes. That


was spot on, very impressive. What do you think about this, Zoe?


it is important to look at the success side of what and the Dutch


have done for themselves as a country. They are the second biggest


country in the world for the export of garments and that in itself is


fantastic, for them to have come so far. If you look at the women in


these factories, they are sowing, dying, stitching the clothes, months


ago they were in rural dwellings, not even allowed in the front part


of the houses. They have gone in their millions to the city and they


are getting a wage and they are bringing it back to their family. I


would say that yes, it can be viewed money, what ever they are earning.


Why don't we double that? It is not an awful lot for us to give them the


extra money but it can make a whole different to them. I would like to


congratulate Bangladesh on what they have achieved so far and I would


say, let's keep on supporting what they are doing. But let's pay them a


little bit more. Be prepared to pay more for our clothes, to ensure


working conditions are better in factories overseas? I don't think


the cost should fall on us, it should fall on the company's that


are employing these people. The only people that are winning here is the


company. We're not getting top quality clothes at cheap prices, you


get what you pay for the people making profits are the companies and


they should be made to play. -- to pay. Anyone else? It is quite


clear, these businesses are forcing almost slavery on third world


countries who are making fashion, that it is the workforce, the only


place where they can bend the boundaries. The machines cost too


much money so they put pressure on the people. One query and concern I


would have as a consumer and someone involved in the fashion industry is


how do they ensure that they are making sure better rights, better


support. But the availability of a good time, employability for these


places, how do they go about making sure that is done well? I have seen


previous legislation where they have closed down factories where children


were working in HASP conditions -- harsh conditions. Those children


were forced into prostitution, road-building, selling themselves,


it is terrible. They need to make sure that consequences are kept in


place. It needs to be legislated correctly and strictly. If you agree


or disagree, let Tina no. It is busy on line already, Edward says it does


not mind paying more as long as he knows it is definitely going to help


the workers are not going into some highly paid executive pocket. Ryan


clothes? Consumers have the power here. We know that people care about


working conditions but we know the opportunity to get a bargain on the


high Street trumps those concerns. If there is enough pressure put on


retailers, they will sign up to better conditions for people in


south-east Asia, Bangladesh and China and people -- polices like


that. -- places like that. These countries rely very much on this


sort of trade. The worst thing we could do is stop that trade because


it will hurt the very people we care about. Adrian, you have become quite


involved with an ethical fashion business yourself? Through the


National union of students, we have realised that they really care about


ethical clothing and trading. Through purchasing Consortium, we


have purchased a clothing company in Asia and we are taking it very


seriously in terms of manufacturing and ensuring workers are paid far


above the average wage in the country that they operate in. It is


important that young people know about this and they get the


opportunity to buy clothes that are ethical. It is about blood on your


clothes and what happened in Bangladesh is a perfect example of


when the garment industry is at its worst. What has been the impact on


the cost to the consumers? It has been -- maybe clothes more expensive


but I don't think consumers mind having to pay a bit more if they


note it is coming from an ethical source. All of our cotton is fair


trade. Factory workers are entitled to time off and maternity leave. It


costs more but when you put the video on and it has cost �25 instead


of �18, you know it is coming from an ethical place -- when you put the


foodie -- the hooded jumper on. is the place where we find out what


you have been saying -- what the audience at home think of what you


have been saying. Adrianne, you are in the lead so far. Alistair, you


have some catching up to do. It could all change.


Is there anyone here who is not prepared to pay more for their


clothes? I guess you? At the end of the day, you can't afford it. If you


are not earning, what are you going to do? Selena, you work at the only


remaining shirt factory in Derry. Why have the numbers dwindled so


much? The problem started when factories increased their size, so


they could do cheaper production. They moved to overseas production


instead. Factories became empty and staff were made redundant. Our


factory, we have always stayed very traditional, we cut everything by


hand, we are responsive, we react quickly to fashions and trends so


that we can compete with bigger brands. We have continued to keep


the staff at a very skilled higher level. We sell in Bloomingdale's,


Selfridge's, Harvey Nichols and that sort of market. You're not competing


against the fast fashion? No. We couldn't compete. Is there any way


of bringing the industry back to Japan, they love just things.


British things. If we stop buying clothes from overseas, what would be


the impact on workers in places like Bangladesh?


Bangladesh is only next to China, it is really good at making clothes. It


has the capacity, the know-how, the resources. We need to improve our


building conditions but it is the responsibility shared by the factory


owners and the government and respective ministries. So instead of


stopping buying Angle dishy clothes, you should really focus on buying


Bangladeshi clothes. It will improve the conditions of the people working


in the industry. The workers who work in factories make about $2 a


day, which is more than the average money that poor person in Bangladesh


makes everyday. Some comments coming in Bangladesh need jobs, but the


people he also needs jobs. So there has got to be a balance that is


struck. Are you concerned that jobs are not being created in the textile


industry for you here, there is high unemployment? I would think that


whenever you have jobs here that have gone redundant due to moving


overseas, it was simply because the businesses are determined to have an


endless pursuit of profit, they are not really concerned with which


country grows. So why do we send all our resources over to Bangladesh,


they are becoming dependent on those industries, and they are not


motivated to reduce growth and new industries in their own country. The


status of that country will never increase. All the while, we declined


due to us not anything either. Anyone else got a comment on this


Apology for the loss of subtitles for 40 seconds


issue? Lots of messages coming in equal marriage bill was passed last


night despite almost being derailed by Conservative MPs earlier in the


week. In Northern Ireland a motion calling for equal marriage was


defeated by assembly members just a few weeks ago. Barry has a question.


Why should two people in love not have the right to be married?


go to Alastair and lead but 30 seconds on the clock. It is a very


divisive issue, we have seen that at Westminster. It is also divisive


here in Northern Ireland. It is a devolved issue so we can decide what


we do in this regard. We have had two debates in six months, we have


the view that we are not to redefine marriage. It is important people are


given the opportunity to have their relationship recognised but the


important point is no party in Northern Ireland, no mainstream


party in the UK have this in their manifesto. Adrian, how would you


respond? I applaud every single MP who voted in favour of equal


marriage over the last two days. Second of all, I don't think you


need to have equality and a manifesto in order to deliver on it.


It is not an equality issue. It is, it is about two people being able to


declare their love each other and be recognised by the state. Let's say


that you changed this and black people getting married, let's


replace the word gay with any other kind of demographic, suddenly it


becomes horrendous to and incredibly in equal. Let's replace it with


Catholic and Protestant. Its flight in the face of equality. So I say,


absolutely, if you think marriage equality is not going to happen in


Northern Ireland then you are living under a rock, because it will happen


eventually. It is not an equality issue, it is the UN who have said is


-- it is not an equality issue. They determine it is up to individual


states to legislate for that. So that is important. The point I made


about it not being in the manifesto, that is a crime tract between voters


and politicians. No partition can say they have a mandate for having


such a fundamental social change -- no politician. Until they have it in


their manifesto, they cannot do it. I applaud whoever is ensuring it


happens. I would not criticise anybody who is in favour of equal


marriage, I applaud every single MP who has nailed their colours to the


mast and said they are there for the LGB T community and they are


standing by their gay comrades in terms of equal marriage. One day it


will happen in Northern Ireland, maybe not tomorrow or in six months


but when you are in a room full of young people, who are your


constituents and they are telling you that marriage equality is


important to them, it will happen. It is also important that we respect


the views of the tens of thousands of people in Northern Ireland who


don't agree with you. It is important that we do that. I think


the most intolerant language in this debate have come from those who


support gay marriage. That is disappointing. Differing opinions,


safe to say. Are we getting a varied response? The majority of people


don't agree with you at home, to hear the result last night. I was


someone who spoke in favour of equal marriage in the Northern Ireland


assembly, I've voted in favour of it. I was disappointed that we


couldn't get it across the line because my honest belief is that


although we have difficulties with this issue, if two people love each


other, they should be entitled to get marriage. It doesn't offend me


in the slightest. I believe in marriage, I'm getting married this


year. I don't think if two men or two women are allowed to be


married, that doesn't threaten me or my marriage or one bit at all.


about you, Zoe? When I put my lawyers had on, I'm 100% agree with


the legislation in terms of equality. I think it is a basic


human rights for everyone. However, taking it off, it is down there and


I'm putting on the hat that says, I do have a question of morals and


beliefs. I think marriage is a union between a man and a woman and


therefore in terms of legislation, it is very important that the


different ridges institutions, it is up to them whether or not they


implement it. -- religious institutions. Legislation does allow


for judges to opt out of it, and that is fair enough. But I think the


state, government, need to take a different view, and as different


view from churches. We do have a separation of church and state and


that is a healthy thing. Thankfully the Westminster government have made


this decision. I hope to God we can follow them some day in Northern


Ireland. Anyone in the audience disagreed? Certainly there is no


doubt it is a divisive issue and certainly not everyone here is going


to agree. Personally speaking, I feel we shouldn't be redefining the


term marriage, I believe it is between a man and a woman. However,


I am not going to force that on anybody else, that is my personal


belief, my party's belief. But I certainly respect everybody else's


opinion on it as well. I think we must respect the rights of those who


are expected to carry out the ceremony as well. It is important


that is respected. We must rumba there is certainly a widespread


support for gay marriage, no doubt about that. -- we must remember. But


there is more support in Northern Ireland for marriage to stay where


it is. I think this room is losing with people who say yes to marriage


equality. We are in the 21st-century. I am a 22-year-old


student and I have never, ever come across somebody on any campers, who


disagrees with this. I think it is absolutely ludicrous. If a woman


loves a woman, if a man loves a man, it is the same thing. I just...


cannot understand the opposition at all? At the end of the day, the law


of the land is for everybody. It is not for a minority or a majority. It


is for everybody who lives in the country. Lots of people are talking


T-shirt. I found it quite reassuring that Alastair is here and speaking


against gay marriage. The DV have often been opposed to equal rights


for everybody. They tried to enforce that here for a lot of years. To


hear a white, middle-class heterosexual male telling anybody


what they can or cannot do is absolutely horrendous. Alastair


should hang his head in shame that he is perpetrating these things.


Very strong opinions. Down to this gentleman. I would like to ask


Alastair about the fundamentals of what marriage is. It is based on


ridges tenets which are by nature completely subjective. -- religious


tenets. Why should policy be based on subjective things, in biology,


homosexual behaviour is natural among all creatures and it has been


documented. I would like you define scientific proof that not refuted by


any biologist or psychologist that something natural should not be


disallowed. This is not an anti-gay stance, it is a pro-traditional


marriage stance. It is not the media say, the United Nations declaration


of human rights has upheld that view. -- it is not for me to say. I


think there are civil partnerships there to give a legal repetition --


recognition of two people of the same sex who are in love. But you


have to understand there is massive anxiety out there in the community,


from Protestants and Roman Catholics, about redefining


marriage. Among the younger graphic you have a certain view but there


are people across Northern Ireland, across Northern Ireland, who take a


different view. Look at Westminster, more conservatives ruled against


this than for it. This is an issue that people in all sorts of parties,


and including his party, they have strong feelings on it. I am


reflecting people who vote for me, and I am reflecting an opinion that


is out there in the community. ever, this topic is getting people


going. Lots of opinions coming you get on twitter now and tell our


panellists what you think of them. support from their parents,


according to a new survey which found that eight out of ten people


aged 18 to 30 had had help from the bank of mum and dad. Here are a few


thoughts. I rely quite a lot on my parents, I can't make it without


their support. I rely a lot on my parents, we don't have much of a


choice. It depends on the parents as well as the children. It is always


good if parents are able to give help. I live with my mum, dad,


brother, sister and boyfriend. have three flatmates. I live with my


mum and my dad. I share it with my parents, I pay half and they pay


half. I live in my dads that, he the bills. I am 23. If I am going home


for the weekend, I will probably store it up in advance. I help with


the cooking and cleaning. biggest thing my parents did for me


was taught me a house, and a car. They have paid for my education


through to my masters. The biggest thing they have done is to raise me


in a loving and caring environment, that is the biggest help they could


ever give me. A house and a car! Apparently in Derry men live at


homes with their mum and dad as much as possible. There is a joke that


Jesus must have been from Derry because he lived at home until he is


30. I live with my parents! course! On a more serious note, here


it is referred to as being a mummy's boy. Other cultures look on it as


being more serious, in Japan they call them a parasite single. It


contrasts a lot depending on the culture. There is a major problem


with young people around my age and younger, we have to carry the debt


that the bankers have left us with and we won't be able to afford to


buy our own homes. It is an issue that more and more people have


deliver at home through necessity rather than choice. Out of interest,


who else with this -- lives with a family member, a parent. A lot. Who


do you live with? My mummy.How is it? Stressful sometimes.I am not


going to delve further into that! Julia has a question. It is specific


to students. Do you think the increasing cost of education is


forcing an undue burden on parents? Unemployment levels in Northern


Ireland are at a 15 year high. A record high for 18 to 24-year-olds.


One in four young people are finding it impossible to get a job. It makes


my heart I think of these young people who have gone through


apprenticeships and degrees and can't get a job. It is up to parents


to provide the love and the shelter and food that they need, even though


they are in their mid-20s or whatever. I had time to spare!


Adrianne, you are a parent, what is your approach going to be?


daughter is seven so she lives with me of course! Work-shy!It is not


students to force education to be so expensive. The average dude and is


not the same as ten or 15 years ago, -- the average student is not the


same. It is about the lack of employment, we have a generation


facing down the barrel. We will be worse off than our parents were and


that has never happened before. This is a government who are not


prioritising young people, both in Northern Ireland and Westminster. We


have seen use and implement skyrocket to highest levels and it


is not good enough for stock we need to take action and give young people


more opportunities, so they don't have to live with their parents.


They don't want to be relying on their parents, they want to be


self-sufficient. We are live, you can talk to us, Facebook, Twitter,


BBC online. Your opinion at home matters just as much as in the


studio. A really interesting angle thing. Is there an alternative? Who


else is going to support you? Realistically, it seems that half of


the problem is coming from the educational standpoint, the finance


to fund further education in some places, it has gone beyond a joke


where you can't afford it. If there is a way to make further education


free and available to everybody, that would solve the vast majority


of the problems in terms of payments. It means you could go on


and get a better job without worrying about being able to afford


it. Where is the other Colin? Sometimes you will get a boom


microphone in the head on a live TV show! Why are we in this position?


focused and know where they want to get. People need the support of


their families. People rely on their parents are lots more. I think


schools and education places need to teach students how to do that,


especially boys. Who thinks that young people should be standing on


their own two feet a bit more and looking after themselves? I feel


that moving out on your own can be a very daunting prospect and there is


nothing really, no support for those sort of people. Moving out on their


own for a first time. It would be a nonbeliever be hard budget to do


things like that. -- unbelievably hard budget. Maybe the government


should make people more inclined to want to move out, away from the


comfort zone. A financial incentive of some sort. This gentleman.


young people to be independent, they need more jobs and they need better


skills and the like. The duty of Stormont, of the government, is to


improve the Northern Irish economy and they have failed to do that for


ten years. What I find really depressing, the problems of Northern


Ireland are very deep-set, but if you look at the economic manifestoes


of the Democratic Unionist party and Sinn Fein, they are almost


identical. They both agreed that skills need to be proved --


improved, infrastructure needs to be better, schools need to be better.


They seem to agree so much and they are failing to do it. I think the


blame is on the politicians. APPLAUSE


Let's give credit where it is due. Northern Ireland students don't have


to pay as high fees as they do elsewhere in the United Kingdom


because the assembly took the decision to freeze fees. There has


also been a decision to freeze educational maintenance allowance.


People may argue it is not enough but at least it is something to help


students to face additional barriers. That is something that is


going on. In terms of the economy, all of the parties have a policy for


getting more people into work. The first minister announced a scheme to


get people into work. This is a serious issue and I think


politicians are trying to help young people get a chance in life and get


into work, it is something we should give them a chance at doing. Lots of


make a grand assumption that every young person has wealthy parents to


live off. This one says education is mostly nonsense, most of the things


we need are in the real world. And DJ says the cost of education,


living and low employment means no -- young people have no chance to


save up and become in dependent. Adrianne come you have surged ahead


more and more young people have got them. Since the start of the


recession, the number of 16 to 24-year-olds on a zero hours


contracts has more than doubled. It ties up the worker to be available


but only pay them the hours they work. A zero hour contract for me


means I have no jobs ability, I don't know how many hours I will get


from week to week. I am at university and I need some sort of


structure. More often than not, the question, can you come into work, is


given at very short notice was that it is a rhetorical question because


if you don't come into work, you are likely to be cut the next week. You


are deemed to be unreliable. It is an abuse of power, being able to


have an unlimited pool of workers, to give nobody that the commitment


of employment and it is a shocking oversight by legislative assembly. I


think it is thing that Adrianne would agree with. Has anybody had a


positive experience? I agree with what you are saying but as a student


I find the zero hour contract is very flexible and allows me to work


or not work, to suit me. I have a lot of coursework and assignments


and it suits me to say, I can't work this week because I need to finish


those. They understand that and it is helpful that I am able to make it


flexible, but at times I can be left short of money, or short of hours.


It can be suitable for some people. Possibly you have a more


understanding employer. And where is Michael? What is the panel's opinion


on zero hour contracts? Are they for against it? We will start with


Adrianne. I am definitely not in favour. I think... The thing that


they all have in common, they come in many forms. The one thing they


have in common is that they give the worker zero rights and they put all


of the power back into the hands of the employer. They give you no


sustainability, they give you zero assurances that you will even get


work. It is really about employers holding all of the power. Particular


for people who have caring responsibilities. I am a mum to a


young child. If I didn't know week to week what my income was going to


be, I would not be able to plan. Alistair, are you for against?


dependent on circumstances. Some people relish the flexibility that


he gives them. In principle?I think the flexible T4 employers and


employees is a good thing mashed -- the flexibility for employers and


employees. The more flexible itty that they have, the more inclined


they are to try to create more jobs -- be more flexibility that they


have. Most of our economy in Northern Ireland is small employers,


the fax ability is very important. I know someone I spoke to yesterday


who has a small child and they rely on the zero contract hours, of being


able to get work at short notice, to come in and do a job. It is not


going to suit everybody. It suits the needs of some people but for


other people it is not a regular income. I think Flex ability should


be encouraged. Zoe, who does this benefit? -- I think flexibility


should be encouraged. It is often the case, if there is a zero hours


contract available, I will take it, it is some form of employment. A lot


of the people I spoke to have said, I am doing this as a means to an


end, I am looking for another form of employment in the meantime. I


think it is interesting that a lot of people are talking about it from


the employee's point of view, but also from an employer's point of


view. There is a lot of small business out there where they would


not be able to survive if they didn't have the zero hour contracts.


They would not be able to profit at all. I think from some employers


point of use, they do need to exist. I don't agree with those employers


who are having their cake and eating it too. Clearly people are desperate


for work, it doesn't mean you strip away decades of hard work to ensure


that people are protected and given the rights that they are deserved.


That is what has happened, people have fought to get rights for


workers. I think we are going back to Victorian age, if we allow this


to become the norm. Whether people are young or not, they still deserve


rights in their employment, security of tenure and everything else. I


don't see how this could be beneficial for the economy as a


whole. It is never beneficial for the economy when you treat people


like this. I understand some people do want flexibility, but there are


also people who are forced to sit at home and wait for a call. They might


need to work two jobs but they can't because they are waiting for a call


from another job. I don't think it is a sensible way to go. I think it


is a way of getting around the advancement of employment rights and


dealing with the issues for agency We need to give opportunity to young


people and have job creation. By giving employers flexibility it


increases confidence and increases the likelihood of creating jobs. I


think people will benefit from that. The difficulty is, the flexibility


you talk about, they have to sit in the house and wait for a phone call


from one employer. They might need them one day, not another day. If


they don't take the opportunity, I don't do employers will call them


again. People cannot practically take up second employment because


they are stuck waiting for this phone call that may never come.


of employers are... I have lost my statistic. That is dreadful, to be


honest. What is your take on zero our contracts? This entire contract


is a burden on employees and employers. It is such a medieval


debt bond that should never have resurfaced in modern times. All it


does is quite literally lower the job numbers to disguise -- disguise


the fact that they're right economic policies in place to separate the


poor and the rich in this country. This is all a ruse so you think they


are giving new employment in tough times, when it is them creating the


tough times for you to need employment. What I was grappling


fall was 23% of employers offer zero our contracts as an option. It very


much depends on the employer. If you're looking at it from a student


perspective and you see a student focused organisation, those


contracts give students reflectivity when they are doing studies, can be


beneficial for them. If it is looking at an external company like


a global corporation giving these contracts with no job security at


all, it becomes a serious problem especially among young people.


whole concept is a double sided sword. It depends a lot on the


business itself, if you owned small business and you had a big order


coming up or a big event and needed extra hands, but you couldn't afford


it, a zero our contract would give the employer the flexible do it.


They also work in favour of the youth, particularly in this country.


Do you work with a fixed term contract? At the minute I'm on work


here it's -- experience because I am studying. A lot of the job


advertising is, particularly in this area, call for a lot of experience.


Some of them wanted five GCSEs and years experience just the selling


sweets. It seems expressive -- excessive. These contracts allow a


young person to take it or emigrate, a lot of young people in Northern


Ireland are emigrating because there is just no work and companies are


hiding behind these contracts, just to affect the figures for people who


are really unemployed. The practical implications of the contracts mean


that employers no longer have the responsibility to the employees of


having to pay for sickness, for holidays, if you take time off, if


you want to go away on holiday, you get no wages. It is the same with


small our contracts, 14 our contracts, you are hampered. I think


the employers need to take the employees seriously. Gentleman here?


I would like to ask a serious question to the petitions, do you


think Stormont would get more done if you were only paid for the hours


you work in the chamber? -- to the politicians. I think some people


wouldn't get paid very much, but I think you make a fair enough point.


I wouldn't worry so much but time spending in the chamber, there are


those who say we need to be doing more sitting, I would say that more


legislation is not necessarily good for the economy. I say we need to be


doing more sitting, I would say that more legislation is not necessarily


good for the economy. I say when you go to talk to businesses is less


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legislation, not more. If you agree, debate. Finally, this location is


the first ever UK City of Culture. It is all kicking off here on


Friday. You will be here for that? If I miss my flight back and someone


gives me a ticket! We have a question. Do you feel that the City


of Culture has met its expectations, that it was outlined


at the beginning of the process? We're nearing the end of the show,


let's rattle through and get a line from our panellists. I was involved


in the bid team, so I'm very proud of the fact it is here. I think it


is going to be a tremendous year, we have only just begun. We have one


big weekend, this weekend, the Turner prize is coming to dairy for


the first time ever outside England. I think we can make it a great year.


We have to ensure that 2014 and 2015 great years as well, that we create


a legacy for people here, showing the world would we can do, about


creating employment for our young people. I think we should all be


positive about it. Are you as positive about it? My lovely taxi


man this evening, it is good to speak to someone who was in


Londonderry, he was beaming and bursting with pride about the city


and how much it has come on in the last couple of months. He says he


goes to the airport to collect people, to bring them into the city


centre, coming from all parts of the UK, he rings the fact of the airport


of days later and they absolutely love it. -- he brings them back to


the airport. They are always talking about it on Radio 1, it is so


exciting, there are so many different, world-class events


happening, it is unbelievable for Londonderry. This month alone, there


are 44 events and hundreds more events are happening throughout the


duration of the next six months. I am super excited and I hope to be


coming along to some of them myself or stop well done for putting on a


massive showcase for the world to see. Alastair, what would be the


long-term economic benefits, do you think? It gets us noticed and


changes the global perception of Northern Ireland as a whole. In


recent years we have been successful in getting the events, from 2011


with the MTV music awards, , the Irish open, this year we had the UK


City of Culture, the G8 is coming here, next year we have the Giro


d'Italia. I think people across Northern Ireland love the fact that


those things are coming to Northern Ireland and they can get involved.


think it is fantastic to be able to showcase the best of Northern


Ireland and in particular the wonderful culture of Derry,


Londonderry, and as we talk about shared strategy and shared future


for Northern Ireland, what better than to have the City of Culture


here in dairy, Londonderry. The only caveat is I haven't seen too many


opportunities for young people to get involved with volunteering, or


apprenticeships being made, I hope petitions will be listening to this


and wondering how they can ensure that young people to benefit from


tourism and job creation in this area. Thereafter we doesn't


volunteering opportunities available, but there is very high


unemployment or so. -- there are 3000 volunteering opportunities


available. You had your hand up. Speaking as someone who lives in a


row community near here, I wouldn't say that I would view it as a City


of Culture being an important thing in the crow a rule community. If I


was going to go anywhere, I would go to Belfast, and in fact, I barely


ever hear of Derry. Before I came into the studio today, I heard of a


couple of people taking surveys and they said, did you hear about the


media things last week was Mac the BBC was doing a workshop. I haven't


heard about it and I am on a journalism course. This gentleman


had his hand up for a while. It is great to have tourism in, but


personally I don't feel that Derry should have been the City of


Culture. Simply for the fact that it is a city, we cannot even agree on a


name for it, let alone... ! I feel we are going to talk about this


get an update on the Power Bar to see who has won this debate. Overall


tonight the final 30 seconds will go to who has done best throughout the


show. And I can reveal that panellist is... Colum. Your 30


seconds! I was sure that Zoe was going to win. All I would say was it


is good to be involved in this kind of discussion. I think young people


are often seen and not heard. People always talk about young people being


the future. I think they are our present as well and it is important


every single young person gets involved in whatever way possible to


make sure we have a genuine, does it give discussion. Look at the gay


marriage issue, that is where the future is. Young people are leaving


that like they have led so many issues in the past. Keep it up and


and our panel. The debate continues online. Join us on June 12 in


clothes were made in? I think it is from America. Made in Lithuania.I


In the lead up to Radio 1's Big Weekend from Derry/Londonderry, Rick Edwards presents a live debate from the UK's first City of Culture in front of an audience of 120 people aged 18-25.

Rick hears the opinions of the studio audience on the big stories of the day, with Tina Daheley (Radio 1 Newsbeat) relaying Twitter, Facebook and website messages from viewers at home.

A panel of celebrities, politicians and local activists discuss the high price of cheap clothes in light of the clothing factory tragedy in Dhaka which killed over 700 people. Ethical consumerists go head-to-head with those who can only afford cheaper clothing. Other topical issues will be added to the debate as the news unfolds.

Derry/Londonderry was once the global centre of shirtmaking, but with work transferring abroad it now has the highest youth unemployment rate in Northern Ireland. Do the young people in the audience see any hope of long-term employment returning to the city?

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