The High Cost of Cheap Clothes Free Speech

want to hear from you. -- this is a grand. The only show where you can

express issues that you want to hear about. You make your own luck in

this world. I can't lose an entire generation. You have got people

spitting about being statistics. government telling you what to do,

it is so patronising. Oh, my God. St Columb's Hall in Derry,

Londonderry, call it what you will, here we are. We want to hear what

everyone here has two say and what you at home have two say as well.

You have do tell Tina Daheley. you very much. Tell me your opinions

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name of a panellist each time you agree or disagree. And our panel's

first job is to tell us who they are and why they are here. My name is

Colum Eastwood, I am an STL P MLA for Derry, I am glad to be here to

engage with you on the issues of today. I am Zoe Salmon, I am a TV

broadcaster and I am here to hear your views. I am Alastair Ross,

member of the Northern Ireland assembly. I am president of the

National union of students, union of students in Ireland and I believe

passionately in youth and student conference in the last hour, the

prime minister has described the killing of a man outside an army

barracks in south London is absolutely sickening. He said

details were still coming in but there is every indication it was a

terrorist attack. The victim is thought to be a soldier who was

attacked with knives and a meat cleaver. A question to each of our

panellists, what do you think the government response should he?

express my condolences to this man's family, it sounds like a very

barbaric attack. What we need to do is remember that this is the act of

madmen and our response needs to be proportional to that. The government

and the community need to be aware that these are madmen and we should

not stoop to their level. As David Cameron has said in the last half an

hour, if this is in fact a terrorist attack, we have very little

information at the moment, we can't let the terrorists win. We need to

do our best to go on and live our lives. We can't let the terrorists

win. It is an absolutely horrific event. We have heard some news

coming through at the moment, irrespective of who these people

work and what their motivation was, it was an evil act. What we learned

in the aftermath of the Boston bombings, social media plays an

important role, people put rumours and speculation on twitter and

Facebook, people should resist from doing that. I want to echo the

comments of the rest of the panel, it is a terrible thing that has

happened but let's not jump to conclusions. Somebody has lost their

life and we need to give the family time to grieve. Let's get back to

our main topic. The whole world was shocked when they garment factory in

Anglo - collapsed, killing over 1100 workers. Is it time to start

thinking about how and why we shop. We have spoken to Meehail and

Colleen, who have very different of age. When I heard the factory had

collapsed in Bangladesh, I was shocked and outraged. I could no

longer sick back and watch it so I decided to organise a demonstration

in the high Street in Derry. The aim was to nick people aware of where

their clothes come from and to place as much pass -- pressure as possible

to sign the Bangladesh safety agreement. I am Colleen and I am 20

and I am studying hairdressing. I do need access to cheap clothes. They

shut down all of the cheap shots, I wouldn't be able to afford to go

into any other shops. For a trainee, I don't think I earn a lot of money.

For �46 a week, I have do give housekeeping, have to pay travel,

have two pay for food and entertainment, toiletries and food.

I love shopping, it is my world and I would be lost without it. I think

cheap clothes cost lives. I think in many cases, the cost is much more

important than the condition. I think the quantity of cheap clothes

on the market, and the low cost of them, encourages people to buy more

than they need. I like to drive -- buy dresses, they make me feel

better about myself. I should think about where my clothes are made, but

I don't. Colleen is here. What would you like to ask the panel?

shouldn't I buy cheap clothes? want to keep this debate moving, you

have 30 seconds to give us a taste of your point of view. I think we

all have a responsibility for the things that we buy and the people

that make those things. I think we should spend a little more, not a

lot more, to try to make sure people who are making our clothes are

protected and given human rights and dignity that would be expected by

all of us. Globalisation shouldn't just be a bad thing, we can export

the good parts of what we do. If you look at the fair trade movement,

with tea and coffee, that can be similarly done with clothes. That

was spot on, very impressive. What do you think about this, Zoe?

it is important to look at the success side of what and the Dutch

have done for themselves as a country. They are the second biggest

country in the world for the export of garments and that in itself is

fantastic, for them to have come so far. If you look at the women in

these factories, they are sowing, dying, stitching the clothes, months

ago they were in rural dwellings, not even allowed in the front part

of the houses. They have gone in their millions to the city and they

are getting a wage and they are bringing it back to their family. I

would say that yes, it can be viewed money, what ever they are earning.

Why don't we double that? It is not an awful lot for us to give them the

extra money but it can make a whole different to them. I would like to

congratulate Bangladesh on what they have achieved so far and I would

say, let's keep on supporting what they are doing. But let's pay them a

little bit more. Be prepared to pay more for our clothes, to ensure

working conditions are better in factories overseas? I don't think

the cost should fall on us, it should fall on the company's that

are employing these people. The only people that are winning here is the

company. We're not getting top quality clothes at cheap prices, you

get what you pay for the people making profits are the companies and

they should be made to play. -- to pay. Anyone else? It is quite

clear, these businesses are forcing almost slavery on third world

countries who are making fashion, that it is the workforce, the only

place where they can bend the boundaries. The machines cost too

much money so they put pressure on the people. One query and concern I

would have as a consumer and someone involved in the fashion industry is

how do they ensure that they are making sure better rights, better

support. But the availability of a good time, employability for these

places, how do they go about making sure that is done well? I have seen

previous legislation where they have closed down factories where children

were working in HASP conditions -- harsh conditions. Those children

were forced into prostitution, road-building, selling themselves,

it is terrible. They need to make sure that consequences are kept in

place. It needs to be legislated correctly and strictly. If you agree

or disagree, let Tina no. It is busy on line already, Edward says it does

not mind paying more as long as he knows it is definitely going to help

the workers are not going into some highly paid executive pocket. Ryan

clothes? Consumers have the power here. We know that people care about

working conditions but we know the opportunity to get a bargain on the

high Street trumps those concerns. If there is enough pressure put on

retailers, they will sign up to better conditions for people in

south-east Asia, Bangladesh and China and people -- polices like

that. -- places like that. These countries rely very much on this

sort of trade. The worst thing we could do is stop that trade because

it will hurt the very people we care about. Adrian, you have become quite

involved with an ethical fashion business yourself? Through the

National union of students, we have realised that they really care about

ethical clothing and trading. Through purchasing Consortium, we

have purchased a clothing company in Asia and we are taking it very

seriously in terms of manufacturing and ensuring workers are paid far

above the average wage in the country that they operate in. It is

important that young people know about this and they get the

opportunity to buy clothes that are ethical. It is about blood on your

clothes and what happened in Bangladesh is a perfect example of

when the garment industry is at its worst. What has been the impact on

the cost to the consumers? It has been -- maybe clothes more expensive

but I don't think consumers mind having to pay a bit more if they

note it is coming from an ethical source. All of our cotton is fair

trade. Factory workers are entitled to time off and maternity leave. It

costs more but when you put the video on and it has cost �25 instead

of �18, you know it is coming from an ethical place -- when you put the

foodie -- the hooded jumper on. is the place where we find out what

you have been saying -- what the audience at home think of what you

have been saying. Adrianne, you are in the lead so far. Alistair, you

have some catching up to do. It could all change.

Is there anyone here who is not prepared to pay more for their

clothes? I guess you? At the end of the day, you can't afford it. If you

are not earning, what are you going to do? Selena, you work at the only

remaining shirt factory in Derry. Why have the numbers dwindled so

much? The problem started when factories increased their size, so

they could do cheaper production. They moved to overseas production

instead. Factories became empty and staff were made redundant. Our

factory, we have always stayed very traditional, we cut everything by

hand, we are responsive, we react quickly to fashions and trends so

that we can compete with bigger brands. We have continued to keep

the staff at a very skilled higher level. We sell in Bloomingdale's,

Selfridge's, Harvey Nichols and that sort of market. You're not competing

against the fast fashion? No. We couldn't compete. Is there any way

of bringing the industry back to Japan, they love just things.

British things. If we stop buying clothes from overseas, what would be

the impact on workers in places like Bangladesh?

Bangladesh is only next to China, it is really good at making clothes. It

has the capacity, the know-how, the resources. We need to improve our

building conditions but it is the responsibility shared by the factory

owners and the government and respective ministries. So instead of

stopping buying Angle dishy clothes, you should really focus on buying

Bangladeshi clothes. It will improve the conditions of the people working

in the industry. The workers who work in factories make about $2 a

day, which is more than the average money that poor person in Bangladesh

makes everyday. Some comments coming in Bangladesh need jobs, but the

people he also needs jobs. So there has got to be a balance that is

struck. Are you concerned that jobs are not being created in the textile

industry for you here, there is high unemployment? I would think that

whenever you have jobs here that have gone redundant due to moving

overseas, it was simply because the businesses are determined to have an

endless pursuit of profit, they are not really concerned with which

country grows. So why do we send all our resources over to Bangladesh,

they are becoming dependent on those industries, and they are not

motivated to reduce growth and new industries in their own country. The

status of that country will never increase. All the while, we declined

due to us not anything either. Anyone else got a comment on this

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 40 seconds

issue? Lots of messages coming in equal marriage bill was passed last

night despite almost being derailed by Conservative MPs earlier in the

week. In Northern Ireland a motion calling for equal marriage was

defeated by assembly members just a few weeks ago. Barry has a question.

Why should two people in love not have the right to be married?

go to Alastair and lead but 30 seconds on the clock. It is a very

divisive issue, we have seen that at Westminster. It is also divisive

here in Northern Ireland. It is a devolved issue so we can decide what

we do in this regard. We have had two debates in six months, we have

the view that we are not to redefine marriage. It is important people are

given the opportunity to have their relationship recognised but the

important point is no party in Northern Ireland, no mainstream

party in the UK have this in their manifesto. Adrian, how would you

respond? I applaud every single MP who voted in favour of equal

marriage over the last two days. Second of all, I don't think you

need to have equality and a manifesto in order to deliver on it.

It is not an equality issue. It is, it is about two people being able to

declare their love each other and be recognised by the state. Let's say

that you changed this and black people getting married, let's

replace the word gay with any other kind of demographic, suddenly it

becomes horrendous to and incredibly in equal. Let's replace it with

Catholic and Protestant. Its flight in the face of equality. So I say,

absolutely, if you think marriage equality is not going to happen in

Northern Ireland then you are living under a rock, because it will happen

eventually. It is not an equality issue, it is the UN who have said is

-- it is not an equality issue. They determine it is up to individual

states to legislate for that. So that is important. The point I made

about it not being in the manifesto, that is a crime tract between voters

and politicians. No partition can say they have a mandate for having

such a fundamental social change -- no politician. Until they have it in

their manifesto, they cannot do it. I applaud whoever is ensuring it

happens. I would not criticise anybody who is in favour of equal

marriage, I applaud every single MP who has nailed their colours to the

mast and said they are there for the LGB T community and they are

standing by their gay comrades in terms of equal marriage. One day it

will happen in Northern Ireland, maybe not tomorrow or in six months

but when you are in a room full of young people, who are your

constituents and they are telling you that marriage equality is

important to them, it will happen. It is also important that we respect

the views of the tens of thousands of people in Northern Ireland who

don't agree with you. It is important that we do that. I think

the most intolerant language in this debate have come from those who

support gay marriage. That is disappointing. Differing opinions,

safe to say. Are we getting a varied response? The majority of people

don't agree with you at home, to hear the result last night. I was

someone who spoke in favour of equal marriage in the Northern Ireland

assembly, I've voted in favour of it. I was disappointed that we

couldn't get it across the line because my honest belief is that

although we have difficulties with this issue, if two people love each

other, they should be entitled to get marriage. It doesn't offend me

in the slightest. I believe in marriage, I'm getting married this

year. I don't think if two men or two women are allowed to be

married, that doesn't threaten me or my marriage or one bit at all.

about you, Zoe? When I put my lawyers had on, I'm 100% agree with

the legislation in terms of equality. I think it is a basic

human rights for everyone. However, taking it off, it is down there and

I'm putting on the hat that says, I do have a question of morals and

beliefs. I think marriage is a union between a man and a woman and

therefore in terms of legislation, it is very important that the

different ridges institutions, it is up to them whether or not they

implement it. -- religious institutions. Legislation does allow

for judges to opt out of it, and that is fair enough. But I think the

state, government, need to take a different view, and as different

view from churches. We do have a separation of church and state and

that is a healthy thing. Thankfully the Westminster government have made

this decision. I hope to God we can follow them some day in Northern

Ireland. Anyone in the audience disagreed? Certainly there is no

doubt it is a divisive issue and certainly not everyone here is going

to agree. Personally speaking, I feel we shouldn't be redefining the

term marriage, I believe it is between a man and a woman. However,

I am not going to force that on anybody else, that is my personal

belief, my party's belief. But I certainly respect everybody else's

opinion on it as well. I think we must respect the rights of those who

are expected to carry out the ceremony as well. It is important

that is respected. We must rumba there is certainly a widespread

support for gay marriage, no doubt about that. -- we must remember. But

there is more support in Northern Ireland for marriage to stay where

it is. I think this room is losing with people who say yes to marriage

equality. We are in the 21st-century. I am a 22-year-old

student and I have never, ever come across somebody on any campers, who

disagrees with this. I think it is absolutely ludicrous. If a woman

loves a woman, if a man loves a man, it is the same thing. I just...

cannot understand the opposition at all? At the end of the day, the law

of the land is for everybody. It is not for a minority or a majority. It

is for everybody who lives in the country. Lots of people are talking

T-shirt. I found it quite reassuring that Alastair is here and speaking

against gay marriage. The DV have often been opposed to equal rights

for everybody. They tried to enforce that here for a lot of years. To

hear a white, middle-class heterosexual male telling anybody

what they can or cannot do is absolutely horrendous. Alastair

should hang his head in shame that he is perpetrating these things.

Very strong opinions. Down to this gentleman. I would like to ask

Alastair about the fundamentals of what marriage is. It is based on

ridges tenets which are by nature completely subjective. -- religious

tenets. Why should policy be based on subjective things, in biology,

homosexual behaviour is natural among all creatures and it has been

documented. I would like you define scientific proof that not refuted by

any biologist or psychologist that something natural should not be

disallowed. This is not an anti-gay stance, it is a pro-traditional

marriage stance. It is not the media say, the United Nations declaration

of human rights has upheld that view. -- it is not for me to say. I

think there are civil partnerships there to give a legal repetition --

recognition of two people of the same sex who are in love. But you

have to understand there is massive anxiety out there in the community,

from Protestants and Roman Catholics, about redefining

marriage. Among the younger graphic you have a certain view but there

are people across Northern Ireland, across Northern Ireland, who take a

different view. Look at Westminster, more conservatives ruled against

this than for it. This is an issue that people in all sorts of parties,

and including his party, they have strong feelings on it. I am

reflecting people who vote for me, and I am reflecting an opinion that

is out there in the community. ever, this topic is getting people

going. Lots of opinions coming you get on twitter now and tell our

panellists what you think of them. support from their parents,

according to a new survey which found that eight out of ten people

aged 18 to 30 had had help from the bank of mum and dad. Here are a few

thoughts. I rely quite a lot on my parents, I can't make it without

their support. I rely a lot on my parents, we don't have much of a

choice. It depends on the parents as well as the children. It is always

good if parents are able to give help. I live with my mum, dad,

brother, sister and boyfriend. have three flatmates. I live with my

mum and my dad. I share it with my parents, I pay half and they pay

half. I live in my dads that, he the bills. I am 23. If I am going home

for the weekend, I will probably store it up in advance. I help with

the cooking and cleaning. biggest thing my parents did for me

was taught me a house, and a car. They have paid for my education

through to my masters. The biggest thing they have done is to raise me

in a loving and caring environment, that is the biggest help they could

ever give me. A house and a car! Apparently in Derry men live at

homes with their mum and dad as much as possible. There is a joke that

Jesus must have been from Derry because he lived at home until he is

30. I live with my parents! course! On a more serious note, here

it is referred to as being a mummy's boy. Other cultures look on it as

being more serious, in Japan they call them a parasite single. It

contrasts a lot depending on the culture. There is a major problem

with young people around my age and younger, we have to carry the debt

that the bankers have left us with and we won't be able to afford to

buy our own homes. It is an issue that more and more people have

deliver at home through necessity rather than choice. Out of interest,

who else with this -- lives with a family member, a parent. A lot. Who

do you live with? My mummy.How is it? Stressful sometimes.I am not

going to delve further into that! Julia has a question. It is specific

to students. Do you think the increasing cost of education is

forcing an undue burden on parents? Unemployment levels in Northern

Ireland are at a 15 year high. A record high for 18 to 24-year-olds.

One in four young people are finding it impossible to get a job. It makes

my heart I think of these young people who have gone through

apprenticeships and degrees and can't get a job. It is up to parents

to provide the love and the shelter and food that they need, even though

they are in their mid-20s or whatever. I had time to spare!

Adrianne, you are a parent, what is your approach going to be?

daughter is seven so she lives with me of course! Work-shy!It is not

students to force education to be so expensive. The average dude and is

not the same as ten or 15 years ago, -- the average student is not the

same. It is about the lack of employment, we have a generation

facing down the barrel. We will be worse off than our parents were and

that has never happened before. This is a government who are not

prioritising young people, both in Northern Ireland and Westminster. We

have seen use and implement skyrocket to highest levels and it

is not good enough for stock we need to take action and give young people

more opportunities, so they don't have to live with their parents.

They don't want to be relying on their parents, they want to be

self-sufficient. We are live, you can talk to us, Facebook, Twitter,

BBC online. Your opinion at home matters just as much as in the

studio. A really interesting angle thing. Is there an alternative? Who

else is going to support you? Realistically, it seems that half of

the problem is coming from the educational standpoint, the finance

to fund further education in some places, it has gone beyond a joke

where you can't afford it. If there is a way to make further education

free and available to everybody, that would solve the vast majority

of the problems in terms of payments. It means you could go on

and get a better job without worrying about being able to afford

it. Where is the other Colin? Sometimes you will get a boom

microphone in the head on a live TV show! Why are we in this position?

focused and know where they want to get. People need the support of

their families. People rely on their parents are lots more. I think

schools and education places need to teach students how to do that,

especially boys. Who thinks that young people should be standing on

their own two feet a bit more and looking after themselves? I feel

that moving out on your own can be a very daunting prospect and there is

nothing really, no support for those sort of people. Moving out on their

own for a first time. It would be a nonbeliever be hard budget to do

things like that. -- unbelievably hard budget. Maybe the government

should make people more inclined to want to move out, away from the

comfort zone. A financial incentive of some sort. This gentleman.

young people to be independent, they need more jobs and they need better

skills and the like. The duty of Stormont, of the government, is to

improve the Northern Irish economy and they have failed to do that for

ten years. What I find really depressing, the problems of Northern

Ireland are very deep-set, but if you look at the economic manifestoes

of the Democratic Unionist party and Sinn Fein, they are almost

identical. They both agreed that skills need to be proved --

improved, infrastructure needs to be better, schools need to be better.

They seem to agree so much and they are failing to do it. I think the

blame is on the politicians. APPLAUSE

Let's give credit where it is due. Northern Ireland students don't have

to pay as high fees as they do elsewhere in the United Kingdom

because the assembly took the decision to freeze fees. There has

also been a decision to freeze educational maintenance allowance.

People may argue it is not enough but at least it is something to help

students to face additional barriers. That is something that is

going on. In terms of the economy, all of the parties have a policy for

getting more people into work. The first minister announced a scheme to

get people into work. This is a serious issue and I think

politicians are trying to help young people get a chance in life and get

into work, it is something we should give them a chance at doing. Lots of

make a grand assumption that every young person has wealthy parents to

live off. This one says education is mostly nonsense, most of the things

we need are in the real world. And DJ says the cost of education,

living and low employment means no -- young people have no chance to

save up and become in dependent. Adrianne come you have surged ahead

more and more young people have got them. Since the start of the

recession, the number of 16 to 24-year-olds on a zero hours

contracts has more than doubled. It ties up the worker to be available

but only pay them the hours they work. A zero hour contract for me

means I have no jobs ability, I don't know how many hours I will get

from week to week. I am at university and I need some sort of

structure. More often than not, the question, can you come into work, is

given at very short notice was that it is a rhetorical question because

if you don't come into work, you are likely to be cut the next week. You

are deemed to be unreliable. It is an abuse of power, being able to

have an unlimited pool of workers, to give nobody that the commitment

of employment and it is a shocking oversight by legislative assembly. I

think it is thing that Adrianne would agree with. Has anybody had a

positive experience? I agree with what you are saying but as a student

I find the zero hour contract is very flexible and allows me to work

or not work, to suit me. I have a lot of coursework and assignments

and it suits me to say, I can't work this week because I need to finish

those. They understand that and it is helpful that I am able to make it

flexible, but at times I can be left short of money, or short of hours.

It can be suitable for some people. Possibly you have a more

understanding employer. And where is Michael? What is the panel's opinion

on zero hour contracts? Are they for against it? We will start with

Adrianne. I am definitely not in favour. I think... The thing that

they all have in common, they come in many forms. The one thing they

have in common is that they give the worker zero rights and they put all

of the power back into the hands of the employer. They give you no

sustainability, they give you zero assurances that you will even get

work. It is really about employers holding all of the power. Particular

for people who have caring responsibilities. I am a mum to a

young child. If I didn't know week to week what my income was going to

be, I would not be able to plan. Alistair, are you for against?

dependent on circumstances. Some people relish the flexibility that

he gives them. In principle?I think the flexible T4 employers and

employees is a good thing mashed -- the flexibility for employers and

employees. The more flexible itty that they have, the more inclined

they are to try to create more jobs -- be more flexibility that they

have. Most of our economy in Northern Ireland is small employers,

the fax ability is very important. I know someone I spoke to yesterday

who has a small child and they rely on the zero contract hours, of being

able to get work at short notice, to come in and do a job. It is not

going to suit everybody. It suits the needs of some people but for

other people it is not a regular income. I think Flex ability should

be encouraged. Zoe, who does this benefit? -- I think flexibility

should be encouraged. It is often the case, if there is a zero hours

contract available, I will take it, it is some form of employment. A lot

of the people I spoke to have said, I am doing this as a means to an

end, I am looking for another form of employment in the meantime. I

think it is interesting that a lot of people are talking about it from

the employee's point of view, but also from an employer's point of

view. There is a lot of small business out there where they would

not be able to survive if they didn't have the zero hour contracts.

They would not be able to profit at all. I think from some employers

point of use, they do need to exist. I don't agree with those employers

who are having their cake and eating it too. Clearly people are desperate

for work, it doesn't mean you strip away decades of hard work to ensure

that people are protected and given the rights that they are deserved.

That is what has happened, people have fought to get rights for

workers. I think we are going back to Victorian age, if we allow this

to become the norm. Whether people are young or not, they still deserve

rights in their employment, security of tenure and everything else. I

don't see how this could be beneficial for the economy as a

whole. It is never beneficial for the economy when you treat people

like this. I understand some people do want flexibility, but there are

also people who are forced to sit at home and wait for a call. They might

need to work two jobs but they can't because they are waiting for a call

from another job. I don't think it is a sensible way to go. I think it

is a way of getting around the advancement of employment rights and

dealing with the issues for agency We need to give opportunity to young

people and have job creation. By giving employers flexibility it

increases confidence and increases the likelihood of creating jobs. I

think people will benefit from that. The difficulty is, the flexibility

you talk about, they have to sit in the house and wait for a phone call

from one employer. They might need them one day, not another day. If

they don't take the opportunity, I don't do employers will call them

again. People cannot practically take up second employment because

they are stuck waiting for this phone call that may never come.

of employers are... I have lost my statistic. That is dreadful, to be

honest. What is your take on zero our contracts? This entire contract

is a burden on employees and employers. It is such a medieval

debt bond that should never have resurfaced in modern times. All it

does is quite literally lower the job numbers to disguise -- disguise

the fact that they're right economic policies in place to separate the

poor and the rich in this country. This is all a ruse so you think they

are giving new employment in tough times, when it is them creating the

tough times for you to need employment. What I was grappling

fall was 23% of employers offer zero our contracts as an option. It very

much depends on the employer. If you're looking at it from a student

perspective and you see a student focused organisation, those

contracts give students reflectivity when they are doing studies, can be

beneficial for them. If it is looking at an external company like

a global corporation giving these contracts with no job security at

all, it becomes a serious problem especially among young people.

whole concept is a double sided sword. It depends a lot on the

business itself, if you owned small business and you had a big order

coming up or a big event and needed extra hands, but you couldn't afford

it, a zero our contract would give the employer the flexible do it.

They also work in favour of the youth, particularly in this country.

Do you work with a fixed term contract? At the minute I'm on work

here it's -- experience because I am studying. A lot of the job

advertising is, particularly in this area, call for a lot of experience.

Some of them wanted five GCSEs and years experience just the selling

sweets. It seems expressive -- excessive. These contracts allow a

young person to take it or emigrate, a lot of young people in Northern

Ireland are emigrating because there is just no work and companies are

hiding behind these contracts, just to affect the figures for people who

are really unemployed. The practical implications of the contracts mean

that employers no longer have the responsibility to the employees of

having to pay for sickness, for holidays, if you take time off, if

you want to go away on holiday, you get no wages. It is the same with

small our contracts, 14 our contracts, you are hampered. I think

the employers need to take the employees seriously. Gentleman here?

I would like to ask a serious question to the petitions, do you

think Stormont would get more done if you were only paid for the hours

you work in the chamber? -- to the politicians. I think some people

wouldn't get paid very much, but I think you make a fair enough point.

I wouldn't worry so much but time spending in the chamber, there are

those who say we need to be doing more sitting, I would say that more

legislation is not necessarily good for the economy. I say we need to be

doing more sitting, I would say that more legislation is not necessarily

good for the economy. I say when you go to talk to businesses is less

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legislation, not more. If you agree, debate. Finally, this location is

the first ever UK City of Culture. It is all kicking off here on

Friday. You will be here for that? If I miss my flight back and someone

gives me a ticket! We have a question. Do you feel that the City

of Culture has met its expectations, that it was outlined

at the beginning of the process? We're nearing the end of the show,

let's rattle through and get a line from our panellists. I was involved

in the bid team, so I'm very proud of the fact it is here. I think it

is going to be a tremendous year, we have only just begun. We have one

big weekend, this weekend, the Turner prize is coming to dairy for

the first time ever outside England. I think we can make it a great year.

We have to ensure that 2014 and 2015 great years as well, that we create

a legacy for people here, showing the world would we can do, about

creating employment for our young people. I think we should all be

positive about it. Are you as positive about it? My lovely taxi

man this evening, it is good to speak to someone who was in

Londonderry, he was beaming and bursting with pride about the city

and how much it has come on in the last couple of months. He says he

goes to the airport to collect people, to bring them into the city

centre, coming from all parts of the UK, he rings the fact of the airport

of days later and they absolutely love it. -- he brings them back to

the airport. They are always talking about it on Radio 1, it is so

exciting, there are so many different, world-class events

happening, it is unbelievable for Londonderry. This month alone, there

are 44 events and hundreds more events are happening throughout the

duration of the next six months. I am super excited and I hope to be

coming along to some of them myself or stop well done for putting on a

massive showcase for the world to see. Alastair, what would be the

long-term economic benefits, do you think? It gets us noticed and

changes the global perception of Northern Ireland as a whole. In

recent years we have been successful in getting the events, from 2011

with the MTV music awards, , the Irish open, this year we had the UK

City of Culture, the G8 is coming here, next year we have the Giro

d'Italia. I think people across Northern Ireland love the fact that

those things are coming to Northern Ireland and they can get involved.

think it is fantastic to be able to showcase the best of Northern

Ireland and in particular the wonderful culture of Derry,

Londonderry, and as we talk about shared strategy and shared future

for Northern Ireland, what better than to have the City of Culture

here in dairy, Londonderry. The only caveat is I haven't seen too many

opportunities for young people to get involved with volunteering, or

apprenticeships being made, I hope petitions will be listening to this

and wondering how they can ensure that young people to benefit from

tourism and job creation in this area. Thereafter we doesn't

volunteering opportunities available, but there is very high

unemployment or so. -- there are 3000 volunteering opportunities

available. You had your hand up. Speaking as someone who lives in a

row community near here, I wouldn't say that I would view it as a City

of Culture being an important thing in the crow a rule community. If I

was going to go anywhere, I would go to Belfast, and in fact, I barely

ever hear of Derry. Before I came into the studio today, I heard of a

couple of people taking surveys and they said, did you hear about the

media things last week was Mac the BBC was doing a workshop. I haven't

heard about it and I am on a journalism course. This gentleman

had his hand up for a while. It is great to have tourism in, but

personally I don't feel that Derry should have been the City of

Culture. Simply for the fact that it is a city, we cannot even agree on a

name for it, let alone... ! I feel we are going to talk about this

get an update on the Power Bar to see who has won this debate. Overall

tonight the final 30 seconds will go to who has done best throughout the

show. And I can reveal that panellist is... Colum. Your 30

seconds! I was sure that Zoe was going to win. All I would say was it

is good to be involved in this kind of discussion. I think young people

are often seen and not heard. People always talk about young people being

the future. I think they are our present as well and it is important

every single young person gets involved in whatever way possible to

make sure we have a genuine, does it give discussion. Look at the gay

marriage issue, that is where the future is. Young people are leaving

that like they have led so many issues in the past. Keep it up and

and our panel. The debate continues online. Join us on June 12 in

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