Syria Crisis: Free Speech Special Free Speech

The politicians, the commentators, and the experts have all had their

television audience has theirs. Welcome to the Syria crisis - a

special edition of Free Speech live Welcome to the Syria crisis - a

on BBC3. People are under pressure Should charity not start at home?

I am Rick Edwards, and an audience of 160 15 to 30-years-old are here

in Stoke Newington Town Hall. People from this area, plus young Syrians

who have left their country for London will tell us what they think.

A very good evening to you. I want Twitter, and the BBC so that you can

hashtag why or no followed by the name of a panellist each time you

agree or disagree with them. Here is our panel whose job, in one sentence

am Damien Green, the member of parliament for Ashford in Kent,

am Damien Green, the member of criminal justice. I am here to

support free speech because that's one of the key aspects of freedom in

I am Mehdi Hasan, the political director of the huffing tonne Post

UK. I am worried we're about to embroil ourselves in another crazy

Middle East war. My name is Shami Chakrabarti. I am the director of

Liberty, the National Council for Civil Liberties, this country's

domestic campaign for human rights for everybody. My name is Milo

Yiannopoulos, an online technology magazine. I believe in order to

maintain free speech, we should magazine. I believe in order to

into Syria. I am malmalmal, a Labour MP. I believe that we don't hear the

voices of young people enough in society and in our politics. I think

elements of Al-Qaeda. Here, David Cameron's - President Obama said he

wants to carry out limited and targeted bombing. Suddenly, there's

One of the most abhorrent uses of chemical weapons in a century.

This menace must be confronted. I strongly believe in the need for a

chemical weapons. I happen to think are voting now on whether Britain

military strike against Syria. The ayes to the right, 272; the noes to

second-class silt 70le. Like we don't matter. The whole world has

failed our nation. Kimberley has a question. Where is Kimberley? What

would you like to ask? Do you think against military action? Let's start

with you, please, Sima. What is against military action? Let's start

answer to that? I happen to think that the vote was right last week. I

don't think that we were ready to make a decision about going to war

in that way in this country. To make a decision about going to war

a decision like that made with MPs coming from wherever they were

across the world, to make a decision without putting the evidence even in

front of MPs, let alone in front of the public, to have evidence that

was just dripping through in the the public, to have evidence that

this importance absolutely deserves. of Iraq, not because Iraq and Syria

this importance absolutely deserves. Milo, do you agree with that? No.

this importance absolutely deserves. It's disturbing and irresponsible.

We have to do something about Syria. This was a vote on principle, it

wasn't the vote direct of which This was a vote on principle, it

intervention. I don't believe a This was a vote on principle, it

of Labour MPs when they talk on This was a vote on principle, it

subject. A lot are in a difficult position created by their leader

posturing which not only costs internationally. More importantly

contributed to the humanitarian crisis in Syria, and we are standing

by allowing the situation to get worse when we should be making a

stand against somebody who is using chemical weapons on his own people,

a red line that should never be crossed. By sitting by and allowing

him to do that to his own people, disreputableness from Labour is

really shocking to me. Two very differing points of view there.

really shocking to me. Two very do you say to that, Sir? I would

like to address the fact that no-one seems to say anything when Israel is

assumed to be using white phosforuos on Palestinians. I think it's really

important there's an intervention, but it is almost as if this country

intervention. What I would like but it is almost as if this country

know is there any financial gain for this country by going to war? If so,

and the reasons for going to war are financial, then we should stay out

of Syria. Damien, I guess you're best placed to answer that. I rather

agree with what Milo said. The first thing is that this is not about

money or making money, it is about a thing is that this is not about

money or making money, it is about a government in Syria that bombs its

own people with chemical weapons, which have been illegal for nearly

its own people is therefore uniquely it. Parliament decided what it did,

its own people is therefore uniquely in the diplomatic severe. Mostly,

its own people is therefore uniquely other country some of the 2 million

refugees that have been forced out of their own country and are now

living in misery on the Syrian there is a lot that Britain can

living in misery on the Syrian and is doing to try and relieve

living in misery on the Syrian of the misery of this terrible

situation. I disagree with your statement that it is not a financial

gain to invade into Syria because if business. To even fund it, it is a

business. If there isn't any sort of financial gain, why is it that we

didn't intervene in previous wars? Why have we been kept in the dark

about our gain what we would gain from going into Syria? Why are we

Obviously, this is getting people going. Are people similarly engaged

online? Yes, we have had a huge response. Thousands of messages

coming in, so we've been asking response. Thousands of messages

intervene in other countries in conflict? Kerry says, talking about

military intervention, yes, it is, but we need a proper plan and the

You're Syrian. How do you feel about this? I feel ashamed to be British

at this time. Considering that we know over 100,000 people have been

refugees, and we carry on, we talk about, "We're helping the refugees",

do you know what? The situation about, "We're helping the refugees",

only going to get worse. We've something, okay? The political talk

that we've been doing for the past three years hasn't helped. Has it

helped? Has it stopped the killing? No, it hasn't. The situation has

only escalated. So what other option do we have at this point in time

haven't got another option, the political solution is not working,

actually got? Seema? I totally hear what you are saying because I can't

agree with that right now because I don't think we've put enough effort

into the peace process. There needs to be a road map to peace as well,

and it is true that the efforts to be a road map to peace as well,

far have not succeeded. It is also true that the opposition forces

haven't come to the table, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an

opportunity to look to a diplomatic answer to this. The only way the war

is going to end in Syria is with can have a military action that

makes us feel like we did something, but what are you going to do with

you going to really say we're going and let Syria disintegrate. You

you going to really say we're going to have something bigger than the

military action. What we do know has changed is that undenial use of

chemical weapons. There are still going to be a question that the

with, but in no way way should read international community have to

with, but in no way way should read parliament's vote last week as

platitudes and contradictions from intervene in whichever way we can,

platitudes and contradictions from my right. You say we should have

investigated diplomatic solutions, yet you admit the rebels haven't

come to the table. No, I disagree It's difficult to negotiate with one

party. I disagree with you. If a mean that you don't keep going. Do

you agree or do you disagree that the rebels have refused to even

contemplate - and, in any case, the rebels have refused to even

would you approach, by the way, because this is an organisation

would you approach, by the way, a figurehead, this is a coalition.

Who exactly are are you going to negotiate with? That's why you need

a different strategy. That's why it is right that the Foreign Secretary

is meeting the Syrian national coalition. Will you give Al-Qaeda a

call - If you let me finish, what also happened today was Douglas

Secretary, talking about having also happened today was Douglas

Syrian contact group. Now, you need a way in which people are going

Syrian contact group. Now, you need come to the table and people who are

part of that dialogue are given come to the table and people who are

part to be part of that dialogue. They speak for the majority in

Syria. In a sense, we need to work out a way that is going to reduce

forward, and it is going to lead to an end to the civil war. It's not

convincing that a military strike without an overall plan is going to

achieve that. You could make that worse. What would you do - Your

strategy has made it worse, made it failed. Your strategy of waiting has

meant that Assad has used chemical weapons against his own people.

That's what your strategy of waiting has accomplished. Why did it happen

14 times before last week? It should have been on the agenda of earlier

than the way it is now. But I think what is really significant today is

about Russia. Russia is saying on the eve of the G230, which I think

is a -- G20, which has exposed Russia's position now, which was

fundamental to solving this crisis, Assad. In terms of those going to

put pressure on Assad, in terms Assad. In terms of those going to

those bringing other forces to the responsibility seriously. If that

those bringing other forces to the has been achieved as a result of

think we have to keep the pressure last week, I think that is something

think we have to keep the pressure countryside of Damascus, until

women, children, old people. Can I ask please, when we stop Assad

killing people in Syria? If you remember, from 1933 to 1945, and

especially from 1941 to 1945, there were 6 million Jews died in Europe.

So do we need this time now waiting for about 6 million people Syrian

central question. What can we do to stop it happening? It is easy to

emotional. I get emotional about it. I get really angry and horrified at

the site of babies and children I get really angry and horrified at

have been attacked by chemical weapons. Any reasonable humaning

would. I think the one point would make any kind of military strike,

and it is not an invasion but a military strike, is that that would

particular, he would know that it is continuing to kill his own people,

as he has done, has consequences for him and for his armed forces. One of

the powerful arguments made in favour last week. Proposal that

the powerful arguments made in defeated was precisely that, that if

we don't do this, it is all words, there is no pressure on asaid, and

all the evidence is that he will continue on killing if he can get

another vote, Damien? We said there is no point having another vote

another vote, Damien? We said there sensible way forward. You have a

vote in parliament, so you have sensible way forward. You have a

him, he will immediately start doing what he's told. I don't buy that

him, he will immediately start doing logic. The more likely outcome is

violence. If he fires chemical What would you do? Either have the

invade, remove him from power - What would you do? Either have the

something I support - or you say you call for a diplomatic route, call

for a ceasefire to reduce civilian casualties. But this half-way house

where you drop bombs over a weekend. Where's the evidence that he will

suddenly cower and say, "I won't do anything again because you dropped a

There's nothing I've heard in this debate so far this evening that

makes me think anything speaking in bad faith or that anybody has got

dubious motives. This is really hard. Yes, the evidence is emerging

don't think the evidence base is what it was with Iraq, but there is

the practicality, and you have to atrocities on one side. Yes, what

Mehdi is alluding to might we make it worse, or might we not make it

better? That's painful to admit sometimes when you won't necessarily

be able to make things better and you're watching those pictures on

the Newsnight after night. But, nonetheless, I think that if you

look at public opinion, if you look at some of the polling, people are

worried abouting stung again on at some of the polling, people are

fronts, either that they'ring lied to - I think they're noting lied to

this time which is my own view, to - I think they're noting lied to

want to find themselves embroiled in a war, sending people like you lot

maybe we don't make it better. That's were Seema's point about

bringing new countries around the table, because part of making it

better and not making it worse is about saying it's not just Britain

and America this time, that there is going to be genuine multilateralism

in the international community, on the world stage. Yes, in the

meantime, you're talking, and people are dying, and that is so painful,

similarities between Syria and Afghanistan because Russia was in

and the Mujahadin was supported Afghanistan because Russia was in

however, it's a murder. Who is giving - we must n forget who gave

the chemical weapons to Syria. There is a report that says the UK allowed

i. Americans are giving Egypt to the Egyptians to kill its own people. We

say nothing. There's been countless polls in the media about whether the

UK government should take military action against Syria, and the and

the overwhelming majority of public opinion is no, we should not go

there and take military action. Considering David Cameron likes

there and take military action. brand the Syrian government as a

government that goes against the will of its own people, if the UK

does that, can we brand the UK regime as a government that goes

against the will of the British That's why we have a parliament

against the will of the British this country, we had a parliamentary

vote, parliament said no, so, we're not taking military action. That's

convinced that - I agree with you about the polling, and I think we

can tell from even people in this room that people are very, very

very cautious, and I share that caution. But I don't think that

people are pacifists on principle: I don't think public opinion is such

as to suggest that people would never go to war in Syria, or they

would never go for humanitarian intervention. You're right that

would never go for humanitarian well has been poise beyond, like the

government has cried wolf too many times and when there is a clear

government has cried wolf too many the - I think the public are ahead

of the politicians here and asking questions. What do we day after

of the politicians here and asking drop the bomb or after Al-Qaeda

government in the Commons. I think that's unfair because what everyone

in the Commons was given, I am that's unfair because what everyone

intelligence reports because that's surprised there hasn't been more

evidence is that that is the case, David Cameron made the point as

evidence is that that is the case, honest debate you can have in good

faith. The chemical weapons issue is honest debate you can have in good

almost a red herring. It's killed 100,000 Syrians that have done.

almost a red herring. It's killed we saying if he doesn't use chemical

weapons it's fine? The only issue - chemical weapons. As you all know,

instrument of war, they are an instrument of ey are an instrument

of terror. . Does dropping bombs make the situation better or was --

worse. Some of us thinks it makes the war run longer, it exacerbates

chemical weapons or not. Chemical illegal. I wish the Tory government

had done something in 1988 when Saddam was gassing his people when

they turned a blind eye to that Saddam was gassing his people when

You talk about red lines... . A question from this gentleman here?

I've got a question for Seema and Mehdi. Chemical weapons have been

illegal for 100 years, Obama drew a red line three years ago. When does

the diplomacy stop? When do we accept it doesn't work. When does

question. I asked you a question. Chemical weapons have been illegal

for 100 years. I will answer his question, and I will answer your

laugh as well. There hasn't been a Americans postponed it twice in

laugh as well. There hasn't been a and in August. That's a fact. You

can go and look that up. The fact about diplomacy is I am not saying

solutions in Syria. My only point is do you do something to pour fuel on

the fire or pour water on the fire. I would try and pour water on the

fire. It may not put the fire out, I would try and pour water on the

but it's better than pouring fuel on the fire. What are people at Somme

Probably a good time to see what is happening with the power bar at

Probably a good time to see what is Ore, you have a question? Has the UK

gone down in the world'sestation after deciding not to intervene

gone down in the world'sestation Syria. I hate that question. I don't

hate you but I hate the question. I don't give a monkey's how you appear

on the world stage. I really don't. You know that our international

reputation affects our ability to negotiate for peace, it affects

reputation affects our ability to sorts of things. Our standing in the

world isn't just a question of who we can get to launch planes with us,

but you know perfectly well that our standing in the world affects our

ability to peacefully - Then I agree with the minister. If that is the

case, I will agree with the minister that our standing as the oldest

unbroken democracy on earth is not undermined by having a parliamentary

respecting it, so there may be another vote in the future, the

picture may change, but I am never going to say that our standing as a

great democracy is affected by having democracy and respecting

great democracy is affected by If winning a global league table on

countries, then that's not a league table I want to be at the top of. I

would rather have democracy via table I want to be at the top of. I

vote in the Commons, ministers come here to talk to the public, for

vote in the Commons, ministers come climate change. I would argue that

our role in the world, our status has probably gone up after last

our role in the world, our status because because forget what foreign

governments think, what do peoples Afghanistan, Iraq, and turning a

blind eye by the human rights abuses standing, not going to war with

whatever American government decides to do at which weekend. I don't

think that should be a factor. I have to agree with Shami on this

one. I think it was so important to go through that protest last week,

all the questions can remain about whether it was right to recall on

Thursday, whether we could have even if is against the odds? Could

difference than going to war right conversation. I don't think it's

world. Maybe we are in a slightly different phase now where we are

diversity, a different number of interventions. Let's have that

conversation, continue to work, continue to look at the evidence,

but let's focus on Syria and focus on the best way to end the civil

war. Do you agree with that? I agree with a lot of that. It is too early

to tell. I I agree what is more important is what is to happen to

reputation. It will change. If we continue to play a constructive

reputation. It will change. If we in this crisis and in other crises,

and we learn from mistakes made in this crisis and in other crises,

the past about the lies Blair about Iraq, and it does matter what our

standing in the world is. If we Iraq, and it does matter what our

a voice people listen to, because we are a democracy, because we have

freedoms and free speech, then that's good, because the more the

world is like that, then the happier Online comments, please? Lots of

people online are talking about Online comments, please? Lots of

Tonight, in Washington, the foreign military action against Syria. This

is what President Obama said about I think America also recognises

is what President Obama said about if the international community

is what President Obama said about countries interact and how people

talking of a possible war that can countries interact and how people

talking of a possible war that can be happening. We're forgetting there

talking of a possible war that can understand what evidence we need.

Then you've got people dying in understand what evidence we need.

the most brutal ways, and we can talk chemical weapons. I don't know

why it's taken us two and a half years to realise that maybe the

why it's taken us two and a half line should be drawn for chemical

weapons when this is the 14th time that chemical weapons have been

used, and you have to understand that there is really brutal methods

of killing and slaughtering in government like stabbing, knives and

people's necks and leaving them government like stabbing, knives and

die, but suddenly chemicals weapons is a red line. I don't understand

why it is a red line and other sort of killing is a red line. It's just,

you know, like this red line that we have drawn is just, it has no basis,

I want to re-ask the question that was asked to the Defence Minister in

parliament after the - the day after the vote got through, asked by the

Labour MP, and it was scoffed at: under what circumstances would

Britain be prepared to relook at circumstances could it go back into

parliament a second time? Philip Hammond replied if there was a

significant change in the situation. Oddly enough, I think for all the

arguments, actually there's quite a lot of consensus around that. That,

whether it was new evidence of bad behaviour, or evidence of what has

already gone, it would have to be a significant change rather than we

returning and having the same debate again and again. I don't think that

would help anyone. It could be new evidence on the practicalities and

the potential effectiveness of action. It could be new evidence

international conversations that are working or not working, so that

there is more of a plan. It could be international support. There are all

Forgive me, minister, it will be a international support. There are all

Forgive me, minister, it will be a debate in parliament. I am going to

have to go and find out what people debate in parliament. I am going to

be an international decision through the UN. That's what the UN is for,

Shami is catching up. Damien and Milo still struggling, I'm afraid.

You can influence the power bar Milo still struggling, I'm afraid.

Get on Twitter right now and tell our panellists what you think of

It's been the first time that people have had their say on television

about Syria. Thanks for all of your comments. Now we're going to change

subject. For a big issue here in Hackney: stop and search, one of the

most controversial ways that the police combat crime. Controversial

as black people are seven times police combat crime. Controversial

likely to be stopped and searched than white, and of million searches

last year, only nine per cent led to running a public consultation this

month. In Hackney, stop and search numbers are falling, but are still a

cause for concern. Here is Kenny's My name is Kenny. I 19 years old. I

was born in raised in Hackney. I am a civil servant working in financial

services. Hackney is a nice place. You know, it's better. It's very

vibrant. It obviously still has You know, it's better. It's very

ups and downs. The relationship between police and youth is not

ups and downs. The relationship I couldn't even tell you the amount

of times I used to get stopped and searched. It brought me to distress.

I don't agree toing stopped and searched numerous times because

I don't agree toing stopped and the clothes you're wearing, in a

certain Ayr, or maybe even the colour of skin. It wasn't fair.

certain Ayr, or maybe even the didn't want people to feel the

certain Ayr, or maybe even the affects the community. What would

certain Ayr, or maybe even the I amming stopped in public, I was

you're a criminal because police are outside the front of my house, it's

like, "Are you lost, mate?" I was, look suspicious around this area - I

is going. Stop and search should be for intelligence-led to get knives

off the street. A lot more needs to be done. Before we take a question,

I would like to bring this Matthew Horne who is the borough Commander

for Hackney. What would you say Horne who is the borough Commander

Kenny? I would say the great work that's been done has helped us bring

stop and search and the amount of time bring it down. In Hackney,

stop and search and the amount of is a very different picture as it is

across London. We've halved the is a very different picture as it is

of stop and search, doubled nearly the times it is a positive outcock -

someone is arrested. We're not always going to get it right, but we

get it right more times than we don't, so last year, we arrested

5,000 more people the year before as a result of stop and search. It

5,000 more people the year before as an incredibly useful power. It has

to be used proportionately, and an incredibly useful power. It has

it have to have to be used with respect and politeness? That's where

I believe we've got there better. We've got a long way to go, but

I believe we've got there better. goodness, have we improved. The

I believe we've got there better. we've done with people like - the

last thing I would say that the we've done with people like - the

majority of people that engage in stop and search in every public

meeting I go to, most people want the power to stay. We welcome the

government's slayings. We think the power to stay. We welcome the

is a great idea. Most people want it to stay but they do want us to get

better at it and they want us to be respect, and they're absolutely

right to respect that. Kenny, you've got a question? Is stop and search

Damien, is stop and search helping helping or hurting the community?

Damien, is stop and search helping or harming communities? If it is

used badly, then it can harm, as the Commander just said. It is a useful

then far more people are arrested, everyone you're a bit suspicious of,

then far more people are arrested, you're seven times more likely if to

43 different police forces and it be stopped and searched if you

43 different police forces and it cent. Clearly, some police forces

others, and the Met has indeed got a lot better, there is a hell of a lot

holding this public consultation, and also a direct interest to a

holding this public consultation, of people here, we extended it.

holding this public consultation, was going to be six weeks. It's

holding this public consultation, there's still time for people to

take part in this consultation, there's still time for people to

we want to keep the stop and search power, but absolutely, we want it to

be used better than it has in the cohesion, community respect and

be used better than it has in the on rather than in a way it's too

often been used in the past. Shami, consultation? I certainly welcome

the consultation, but I want to consultation? I certainly welcome

clear, this is a lot easier than Syria. The law needs to be tightened

up. I do not accept that the current useful. I think they are poisonous.

communities. There are young men that that I men -- there are young

men I meet in schools in inner London and inner cities whose first

engagements with the police are through stop and search. It is a

poisoning of people far more people than protecting. There are two kinds

of stop and search that I will approve of.One is when you go to the

airport or when you go to parliament and everybody is being stopped and

high-security place that everybody understands they're not picking

high-security place that everybody me because I am black, because I am

campaigner, everybody is going proportionality of doing that for

example at the airport or when you go to visit your MP. The second

example at the airport or when you of stop and search I'll approve

example at the airport or when you reasonable suspicion that you have

committed an offence or you might be going to commit an offence, but

that's not the powers that we are young black men who are having their

criminal. You say that occasionally experience of authority and policing

criminal. You say that occasionally people get charged. How many of

those people get convicted? The people get charged. How many of

needs to be - credit to the officer, and credit to the police who have

understood in recent years that these powers are too broad, and

understood in recent years that self-censored, started using the

power less, but the power needs self-censored, started using the

minister and on Seema, these are legislators to tighten up those

reasonable suspicion and are not capable of being used in such an

I would like to appoint the question believe if you're young, if you

I would like to appoint the question black, if you wear a hoody, that you

are a thief, and we have seen that continue to happen. We don't.You

haven't made a change. I think you should maybe go to that referral and

look at alternative methods because stop and search is degrading as

look at alternative methods because humaning. To think that you look

like a thief is a slap in the face. This government is endorsing that.

They're not changing that. David Cameron doesn't care if war walking

down the street, if you're wearing a hoody, black, or young. He doesn't

care. What does he know? What does he know? Tell me. Can I come in

care. What does he know? What does defend Damien on this. It is his

government and a Conservative home secretary who have called for this

review into this, and the record," but the thing is nothing is going to

change. What was it their on said, "I asked the police what powers

change. What was it their on said, want, and I give it to them." That

alternatives. Which government has looked at alternatives? This one.

You're not doing anything. Even looked at alternatives? This one.

after this. We started in judgment. looked at alternatives? This one.

It's going to end in three weeks' consultation, please. People wearing

hoodies don't feel safe in your government. We are voting you in and

to talk afterwards. This gentleman government. We are voting you in and

here in a cap. I was going to say that I think that we are kind of all

getting the whole thing totally misunderstood because at the end of

stereotypes, and stereotypes are set by the media as what we call a moral

panic. Now, part of me doesn't necessarily blame police for the

panic. Now, part of me doesn't portrayed in the media, so I think

what we need to do to improve stop and search is initially challenge

the perception of young black men, especially, because - APPLAUSE

you go to Google right now and w and write in "police stop and search",

the first five pages are all young black men. I done it today just

the first five pages are all young see. The first five pages on Google

images. If you get a chance doing it, young black men getting stopped

believes this stop and search is them. Until we can challenge the

supported which by the media, where people come from, we're going to

continue to be in this negative cycle where at the end of the day,

the police are just a representation of the society. The society as a

whole believes that young black of the society. The society as a

in particular are the ones that of the society. The society as a

causing problems, it's going to of the society. The society as a

It's an issue of perception. Let's start with an unpopular point what

some people call stereotypes, other people might call statistical fact.

It is simply true - Please, hello. It's simply true that certain crimes

are committed by certain profiles of people. What we need to fix is

education, and we need to do some really systemic work to support

communities in under-privileged areas in the country. We do need at

the same time to find a balance areas in the country. We do need at

protect the victims of crime as well. I am not supporting these

indiscriminate stop and search things, but when we get caught up

and carried away with this idea things, but when we get caught up

scare stories, you know, that goes a little bit far, and it simply is

true to say that certain crimes overwhelmingly committed by certain

true to say that certain crimes love me, but I can change the law to

are too broad. We should have stop and search powers triggered by

reasonable suspicion that somebody has committed an offence or about to

be committing an offence. We should not have the broad loose powers

be committing an offence. We should stop anybody you like because they

live on that council estate. That's not good enough for people in their

country estates, and it's not good enough people for inner cities in my

disagree get in touch with APPLAUSE I wouldn't have a problem with that

for the same reason I don't have a problem with racial profiling at

airports, I don't have a problem with certain kinds of stop and

search, and I would be delight today see some of these guys pulled over

and searched on their laptops as well. The reason I wanted to respond

to this, the reason I am saying well. The reason I wanted to respond

is a moral panic, is simple, young people are responsible for less

is a moral panic, is simple, young 12 per cent of all violent crime in

last year's police statistics. If they're responsible for less than 12

cent people of their time talking believe the situation is worse than

it actually is. I am looking forward to seeing Milo's popularity bar

after that. How many times have to seeing Milo's popularity bar

stopped, and the young man's point is that it is a vicious cycle. I

travel a great deal, I've been stopped at airports recently. I

and searched? Stopped at airports twice. Don't get into a game who has

confidence, their relationship with been stopped more at airports out of

confidence, their relationship with consultation as well. I have to

confidence, their relationship with that I stood up and asked the home

secretary on that day in July why we weren't having a longer consultation

later the government changed its and she respond today me saying

later the government changed its mind, quite rightly, because how can

you have a consultation as important as this when everyone is going on

summer holidays. We need to be doing saying what is it that's going to

make this far more effective. What do the police need to do? You can't

have a system like stop and search that you think is going to produce a

searches last year, 45 45,000 areas, not even - 45 45,000 arrests. The

statistics are incredible. You're a legislator. Tighten up the law. I am

going to finish this point. How legislator. Tighten up the law. I am

institutionalised racism? I am going All of that obviously needs looking

at, but there is a major issue about the diversity of the police force as

well. The police force that is are not connected to communities, that

do not understand communities. If you have national police force that

is five per cent ethnic minority, in London ten per cent ethnic minority,

it's not surprising that you don't communities that we need, and that

is the big shift that we also need to make. I want to talk to Aaron

quickly. You've developed an app that has a practical application to

do with stop and search. What is it? It let's the public know know what

lot of your rights when you go on the web, it is really long and it is

not clear and straight to the point, so we've come up with the top ten

things the public want to know about their stop and search rights that

situation when they are getting stopped and searched to empower

situation when they are getting in that situation to move in the

addressing the issue. Then the in that situation to move in the

second part of the app is to upload in that situation to move in the

geolocates it to the exact point basically allows you to feed back

geolocates it to the exact point where you were stopped and searched.

We've got to go to Tina and wrap where you were stopped and searched.

We've got to go to Tina and wrap On the final 30 seconds - the most

support it to Mehdi. I would say to you all that we are in a dangerous

place right now. We may or may not go to war in Syria, come back to the

main issue that we talked about go to war in Syria, come back to the

this programme, that is don't accept what politicians or journalists

this programme, that is don't accept you saying there is nothing else we

can do but more war, more war. alternative to war, especially in

the current climate where we have such a complicated situation. Don't

please. Thank you very much. Thanks to our audience, panel, and you

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please. Thank you very much. Thanks Cambridge. An exclusive free speech

interview with a young woman in Damascus who doesn't want to be

identified but she wants us to know what life is like there for young

people. Life is pretty difficult. If we're not getting shelled ourselves,

that means we can't sleep because of the sound of shelling of other

areas. Children are afraid because they feel it might be their turn to

get killed. They don't feel safe, they lost members of their families.

It's not life. Damascus centre, they lost members of their families.

have to pass by many checkpoints. You might get arrested like that,

even if you're not an activist, You might get arrested like that,

even if you don't participate in the I need to stay here, I have to help

people here and to help my country.