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Hello. A very warm welcome to the Garden Lobby here at Holyrood. | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
Glorious weather. Beautiful day for going out canvassing. Yes, of | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
course, the UK general election is well under way. The leak of the | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
draft Labour manifesto today causing quite a fuss. The main emphasis of | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
this is questions to the First Minister on the devolved powers of | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
the FM. But you can bet that UK begun election will come up as well. | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Let's cross to the chamber and find out. That's Mary Fee on her feet | :00:46. | :00:54. | |
asking a question about education. A hot subject this week. That Labour | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
manifesto will rear its head today once questions to the First Minister | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
gets under way. The issue of renationalisation of rail, bus and | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
postal services might not be so controversial with everyone here. | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
But the Trident question is certainly one which the First | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
Minister may want to use against Kes can ya Dugdale. The Scottish Labour | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
Party vote in the favour the getting rid of Trident. As we saw in its | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
draft form today, favours maintaining the Trident system | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
against the Scottish Labour Party and of Jeremy Corbyn. On top of | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
that, we're bound to get questions on those devolved issues with a view | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
to the election campaign, how they might impinge upon it. We've had | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
those questions this week about education, about literacy and the | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
SNP Government's record on that. That's an issue which Nicola | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
Sturgeon said she wants to make her main priority. This is, of course, | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
the Education Secretary, John Swinney on his feet to answer that | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
question. We faced a number of Labour local authorities that were | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
absolutely determined to reduce teacher numbers. I wouldn't have it. | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
So, I'm delighted that as a result of the Government's strong action in | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
this respect, we see an increasing number of teachers in our schools | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
and our classrooms and I'm delighted that the ?120 million that the | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
Government has made available directly to the schools of our | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
country, which the Labour Party voted against every single one of | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
them, is now recruiting another teachers in our classrooms and | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
assisting in the delivery of education in Scotland. I would have | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
thought Mary Fee would have welcomed that. Deputy First Minister getting | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
things under way early. Well, that's warmed us up! The First Minister | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
does not need to follow that example. Returning to First | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
Minister's Questions. Ruth Davidson? Thank you. I want to ask the First | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
Minister what engagement's she's planned for the rest of the day. The | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
Government's programme for Scotland. Today, in Scotland in an S2 class of | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
30 pupils, on average, five can't write properly. That's double the | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
number of just four years ago. When the First Minister sees statistics | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
like these does she feel embarrassed, achimed or both? | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
Actually, what I feel is utterly determined. Determined to carry on | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
with the changes we are making in Scottish education so that we | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
continue to see the improvements in attainment and progress in closing | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
the attainment gap. Ruth Davidson points to the S2 performance in | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
writing in the study published this week. I'm not going to try in any | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
way to diminish the significance of those findings. But, I think it is | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
important to say this, that study, a sample study, measures S2 pupils | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
against the standard that they're expected to reach in S3. What we | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
know now from the much more comprehensive data that we're | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
publishing through the national improvement framework, which we'll | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
continue to publish on an annual basis and will become informed by | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
the standardised assessments. We see over 80% of the pupils in S3 meeting | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
the standard that they're required to meet. We'll continue to take | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
forward the meshures that have been guided by OECD recommendations. For | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
example, our new attainment challenge, our new attainment fund | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
which as the Deputy First Minister said is directing resources to head | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
teachers. The new bench marks for literacy and numeracy put in place | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
backed by a range of targeted programmes from the attainment | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
challenge, book bug, play top read programme in the early years, read, | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
write, count in early primary. The read reading challenge. We'll | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
continue to take forward the new detailed mesh you arement system | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
which will track progress not just by way of a sample survey, but by | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
using data on every pupil in primary 1, 4, 7 and S3 broken down by local | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
authority and schools. In answer to the question, I feel determined to | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
continue to get on with these reforms to make improvements for | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
pupils right across our country. Ten years and five out of every 30 | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
pupils can't write properly. Presiding Officer, we like to pride | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
ourselves in Scotland that our education system was the best in the | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
world. After ten years of this SNP Government, we can do so no longer. | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
Last week, I stood here and raised the fact teacher training places are | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
not being filled. Yesterday, we learnt about the standards of that | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
training. On the time spent on literacy one trainee said it would | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
be a single week. One week. Another said she and her fellow trainees | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
don't have the sufficient skills in numeracy to be able to teach it to | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
11-year-olds at a reasonable standard. So, we've not enough | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
trainee teachers coming through and the ones who are, aren't being | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
taught properly. That's not their fault. But, if they're not getting | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
the proper instruction, what chance do they have of teaching our | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
children? Firstly, I think, as I said also last week, while we should | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
not and this Government does not ignore the challenges we face, we | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
should not do a disservice to pupils and teachers across the country. As | :06:44. | :06:52. | |
I've just said, more than 80% of S3 pupils, according to the | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
comprehensive data we publish, are meeting the required standards in | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
writing. We're also seeing annual increases in the proportion of | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
school levers reaching the national 5 level. The gap between richest and | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
poorest closing. A record number of advanced higher passes. A record | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
number of higher passes in the last few years. Let me turn also to the | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
question of teacher education. In terms of entry into initial teacher | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
education, we've increased the intake into teacher education as | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
part of the work we are doing to make sure there are the required | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
numbers of teachers coming into our schools. In terms of the content of | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
teacher education, which is the substance of the question Ruth | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
Davidson asked and has been under discussion at the Education | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Committee this week. There's a couple of points to make first | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
before I action we've taken. It is universities, of course, in | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
partnership with the GDC that decide the content and structure of initial | :07:54. | :08:01. | |
teacher education. Here's a fact... Here's a fact that Ruth Davidson | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
won't like to hear. It says something good about Scottish | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
education. The recently published complete university guide rate the | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
four of Scottish universities in the top seven across the UK for | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
teacherer education. We have recognised we need to do more around | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
teacher education. I'm surprised Ruth Davidson doesn't seem to know | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
this from the content of her question, in our delivery plan | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
published last year, we committed to a review of Scotland's initial | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
teacher education courses. And, the report of that review will be | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
published in the next few weeks. On that, as well as on the other | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
issues, this is the situation. We've got good performance across | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
education in Scotland. But there are areas where we have recognised we | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
need to do better. This Government is getting on with the job of taking | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
the action that will deliver these improvements. Here's a fact for the | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
First Minister. Bright young trainees are starting their careers | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
in Scotland without the tools they need to do the job. That's not me | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
saying it. That's what they told this Parliament just yesterday. As | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
the Education Secretary acknowledged this week, we need inspections to | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
flag up issues in our schools but the number of inspections has gone | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
down upped the SNP. Why? We don't have enough inspectors and the one's | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
we have are being dragged off the job to sort out of the mess that the | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
curriculum for excellence. Does this sound like a system which is in any | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
way functioning properly? She just said about curriculum for | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
excellence, not only did Ruth Davidson go against what her party | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
said about curriculum for excellence, she goes against the | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
judgment of the OECD when they did a review of curriculum for excellence | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
and said that was a reform that they welcomed but they pointed out the | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
areas where we had to further improve to deal with the challenges | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
we face. So, what we have in education is good performance and we | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
have a range of international experts who have said that. We have | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
a number of challenges, not least the ones the SSLN survey highlighted | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
this week. We have a programme of reform that's getting on with making | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
the changing backed by significant addition at investment in our | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
schools that are about delivering improvement. So, I think it is | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
important that this Parliament scrutinises that on an ongoing | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
basis. As First Minister with the Deputy First Minister, I'm going to | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
stay focussed in taking forward this reform programme. As I said last | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
week, what we often find in this chamber is opposition parties | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
calling for us to make changes but as soon as we make any of those | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
changes and as soon as some people might think they disagree with them, | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
we find opposition parties running for cover. Well, this Government | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
will continue to focus on making the reforms and making the changes that | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
we think are required to drive the improvements we are determined to | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
see. It's funny the First Minister talked about what a range of | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
international experts said about. Professor Lindsey Paterson. He says | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
this: Curriculum for excellence has ignored the need for deep knowledge | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
with the dismaying consequences that we now see. So, every week we stand | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
up here and hear jargon about cross curricular this and joined up that. | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
It's not much help if we've children in our country that can't add up, | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
can't write and can't read. Last week, the First Minister accused me | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
of being obsessed about the constitution. Well, here is her | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
record in this place. Since last year, this Government has spent more | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
time debating the constitution than debating education, health, | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
transport and justice combined. And we have had enough. After ten years, | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
after ten years, don't the people of Scotland deserve a Government that | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
will for once focus on their priorities and not on hers? Let me | :12:13. | :12:22. | |
share some of the views... Order, that's enough! Let me share some of | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
the views of the international exports I was referring to. Page 13 | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
of the OECD review of Scottish education states this. The | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
curriculum for excellence is an important reform putting in place a | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
coherent 3-18 curriculum. It rests on a contemporary view of skills and | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
what makes for powerful learning. The deputy director for OECD. We | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
applaud Scotland for having the foresight and patients to put such | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
an ambition reform as curriculum for excellence in place. That's the | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
support backed up by the international council for education | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
advisers. Who were deeply impressed with the schools they visited during | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
their programme here. We'll continue to build on the strengths of | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
Scottish education and make sure we drive the improvements through the | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
action I have been talking about. The the attainment fund, putting | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
?120 million into the hands of head teachers. The attainment challenge, | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
driving improvements in literacy and numeracy. Making sure we don't have | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
to just rely on a sample SSLN survey. We have comprehensive data | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
on every pupil in these particular school years. We'll continue to take | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
forward that programme of reform. Let me turn to the issue of | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
priorities. You see when Ruth Davidson talks about the time spent | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
in this chamber debating the constitution, what she's trying to | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
distract attention from is that has been time debating the implications | :14:07. | :14:15. | |
of Brexit. The Brexit disaster. The Brexit disaster that the Tory Party | :14:16. | :14:23. | |
is leading this country into. Secondly, on priorities. Over the | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
past week, the Scottish Tories have churned out press release after | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
press release after press release. In all of those press releases, we | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
have seen health mentioned once. We've seen education mentioned 12 | :14:40. | :14:51. | |
times. We've seen me, the SNP or Independent mentioned a grand total | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
of 153 times! So, Presiding Officer, I'll get on with the job of | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
improving education, but I'll take no lectures on priorities from Ruth | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
Davidson or the Tories! What engagements has the First | :15:05. | :15:20. | |
Minister planned for the rest of the week. The bring forward the | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
Government's plan for Scotland. Scotland's nurses need a pay rise. | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
Since 2010 they've seen a real terms cut in wages of ?3,400. Our NHS | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
staff are underresourced and underpaid. The Labour Party will | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
always argue for better wages because it means better performance. | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
The reality of today's NHS is nurses are more likely to leave the | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
profession because the work isn't paying as well as it should. The | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
results, hundreds of millions of pounds spent on agency staff. So, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
why did the SNP vote against scrapping the pay cap last night? | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
Well, I think this is a really important issue, not just for people | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
working in NHS but for public sector workers generally. We've had a | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
period of pay restraint. The reasons for that pay restent were firstly | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
the financial crash. Then the long period of austerity started under | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
Labour and continued under the Tories. The reason for that pay | :16:20. | :16:28. | |
restraint, the reason was to protect jobs in the public sector and make | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
sure we can protect investment in areas of the public sector like our | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
NHS. As I said previously, we're seeing more investment in our NHS | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
today under this Government than we would if Labour were in Government. | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
They didn't pledge as much as we did. On the issue of pay, can I say, | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
I think this is an issue we are required to look carefully at now | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
inflation is rising again. With the NHS, of course, it is the | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
independent pay review body that makes pay recommendations. The | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
Health Secretary yesterday committed to working with the health unions to | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
jointly commission work that we would then submit to the pay review | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
body for its deliberations for the next year. But, we have taken action | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
to make sure that we are treating workers in our NHS as fairly as | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
possible. Unlike Governments elsewhere in the UK, we have | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
targeted low pay and we've also made sure that we've always accepted | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
recommendations of the pay review body and made sure people working in | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
our NHS aren't denied the progression they've sometimes been | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
denied elsewhere. As a result of that, while I do not deny for a | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
second the real pressure that people working in our NHS are under, as a | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
result of that, in Scotland, every entry level NHS support staff worker | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
is paid more than ?1,000 a year more than their English counterparts. A | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
band 5 nurse, the level for a newly qualified nurse, is paid ?300 a year | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
more than somebody doing the same job in England. And, crucially, paid | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
?312 a year more than a nurse doing the same job in Wales. Why do I | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
mention Wales? Labour is in Government in Wales and they haven't | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
even done as much as we've done to protect the pay of nurses. We'll | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
continue to make sure we work with our trade unions to get fairness for | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
our nurses and for public sector workers. In all of that, there's no | :18:32. | :18:43. | |
escaping the reality whilst they might be ?300 better off than | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
England they are worse off than they should have been under her | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
Government. And the brutal reality of a decade of SNP has seen them | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
make a complete and utter mismachinagement of our 2346789 HS | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
The Times newspaper today reports a ?400 million contract for private | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
doctors to work in our NHS that went out to tender on the 1st May. The | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
brutal truth is our hospitals have to turn to private sector because | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
they don't have enough doctors in the first place. Labour can reveal | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
today the number of consultant posts that have remained vacant for six | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
months or more has increased six fold since 2011. That's the reality | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
of complete and utter mess she has made of our NHS. So, tell me First | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Minister, why can't the SNP find ?400 million for private health | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
companies but it can't find the money to pay our NHS nurses? I'll | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
take no lessons on private sector involvement in our NHS from the | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
Labour Party who signed PFI contracts in our NHS that continues | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
to drain the budgets. The reality is, reliance on the private sector | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
reduced under this Government. That is right and proper. Let's go back | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
to the important issue of pay. Not just in the NHS but in the public | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
sector. I understand why workers across our public sector think the | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
1% pay cap has now to be lifted. We'll continue to talk to trade | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
unions. I was talking about this very issue earlier this week. And | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
will continue to make sure the evidence we submit to the pay review | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
body for the NHS properly reflects the circumstances in the economy | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
today. We've had pay restraint because we have had an extremely | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
tight public spending environment. We have had to make sure we protect | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
jobs in the public sector and protect investment in our National | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
Health Service. The other thing Kezia Dugdale won't want us to | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
mention is the fact we've also in Scotland had a policy of no | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
compulsory redundancies in the public sector. We look at the NHS. | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
We see 12,000 compulsory redundancies in the NHS. 20,000 | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
South of the border, none here in Scotland. I'm not standing here | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
saying it is easy for anybody working in our NHS. Because of the | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
action we've taken to make sure we target extra resources at low paid | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
people, making sure people working in our NHS get access to | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
progression, because of that, 60% of agenda for change staff will have | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
been paid more than the 1% uplift when they're progression and action | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
in low pay's taken into account. I don't think it is at all fair for | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
Kezia Dugdale simply to dismiss the fact we have done more than any | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
other Government anywhere else in the UK to try to help public sector | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
workers in this difficult time. We will continue to do exactly that. | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
The difference is this Government stands on the side of public sector | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
workers in the NHS and elsewhere too. Two things come from that. | :21:59. | :22:08. | |
First of all, in all of that answer, she's actually asking us to be | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
grateful that she's not sacking nurses because of her compulsory | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
redundancy policy. Secondly, there is a clear difference between our | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
two parties. Whilst I have a progressive plan to protect our | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
public services and stop the cuts, all she has is a plan to see the | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
private sector profit from Scotland's sick. That is the | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
reality. And the Times romp today also tells us the amount of private | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
money going into the NHS has doubled in the last two years alone upped | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
her watch. Let's look at those facts. Our hospitals don't have | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
enough nurses. Those nurses don't have enough money in their pocket. | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
Our hospitals don't have enough doctors. But this there's enough | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
money for private health firms S this what the NHS looks like when | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
the Government's more interested in running a referendum than running | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
the NHS? Let's look at private sector spend. Private sector spend | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
fell last year in NHS Scotland. It represents 0.7% of the Scottish | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Government's total health resource budget. In comparison, in a trend | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
started under the last Labour Government, the NHS in England | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
spends 7.6% of its budget on the private sector. So, we will continue | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
to make sure that we are investing in the public NHS not the private | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
sector. Interestingly, one of the first things I did when I was Health | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
Secretary was scrap the private contract for the running of a | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
hospital that was introduced by the last Labour administration. So, the | :23:47. | :23:56. | |
problem for Labour here is all these things they pontificate about in | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
opposition are things they failed to do when they had the opportunity in | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
Government. And, lastly, I don't expect anybody working across our | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
public sector to be grateful to any Government. They are dealing with | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
extremely tough times. I recognise that. I recognise that particularly | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
for people working at the front line of the NHS. But I would expect | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
opposition parties to recognise that in these tough times, this | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
Government has done more in terms of public sector pay than any other | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
Government across the UK. That's why agenda for change, staff are made | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
more in Scotland than England and why newly qualified nurses are paid | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
more in Scotland than they are in England and Labour-governed Wales. | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
We have record funding in our NHS and record numbers of staff working | :24:55. | :24:55. | |
in our NHS as well. I'm conscious we've taken a lot of | :24:56. | :25:08. | |
time on the first two questions. There are a number of members who | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
wish to get in. If we can make progress. Two constituency | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
questions. John Finney? North-west highland, it's UNESCO status in 2015 | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
after ten years of hard work by local communities. That status is | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
assessed every four years. It is next due to be assessed in 2019. | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
Until now, the Scottish Government's provided core funding. This year, | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
the Scottish Government took the decision not to supply core funding. | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
The park have put of a crowd funder that closed on Monday. They've | :25:43. | :25:51. | |
raised 12,816. What's gone into achieve that can UNESCO status, it | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
would be a disaster if that status was lost. Will you examine options | :25:56. | :26:05. | |
for sporting the West Highland geopark to keep its UNESCO status? I | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
am familiar with go owe park and the UNESCO status it has. It is | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
extremely important. As I recall, the Scottish Government provided | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
initial core funding with a view to geopark becoming sustainable. I am | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
happy to ask for it to be looked into again and see if we can do | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
anything. I'll report back to on-Finney once we've had the | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
opportunity to look at it. Our bowling and tennis club in Greenock | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
is a 175-year-old club offering vital sporting facilities. Changing | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
to water and sewage charge exemption rules has left them facing a bill up | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
to ?2,000 per annum which could drive up membership costs or force | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
them to close doors. They are not the only ones. What comfort can the | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
First Minister provide charities, clubs, village halls and sporting | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
groups that the Government will look at these charges. Will she commit to | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
a full and open review into this policy? . It is not too long since | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
we had a full review of the situation around charities with | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
water rates or exemptions. I remember it well. At the time, I was | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
the minister in charge of taking forward the recommendations from | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
that review. I remember well we tried to put in place a system that | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
was as fair as possible to as many charities across the country. The | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
test for he exemption are based on the income of charities and capital | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
that the charities hold. Therefore there will always be some charitable | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
organisations that don't get examingses because they've capital | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
above those thresholds. I am more than happy to have the relevant | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
minister look at the particular loringation cited here. To make sure | :27:58. | :28:06. | |
the rules are being applied appropriately. The genuine point is | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
all members will recognise with any system of exemptions like this, | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
there will be some organisations that do not qualify for the | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
exemptions. I know that will be very difficult for organisations in that | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
position. I'll ask Rose Anne in a Cunningham to look at this | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
particular case and report back to the member in due course. To ask the | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
First Minister what issues will be discussed at the next meeting of the | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
Cabinet. Matters of the importance, the people of Scotland. Yet again, | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
we've #45ered about the poor statistics on education. The mother | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
of our 15-year-old schoolboy said to me yesterday that she is worried her | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
son could be one of those statistics. He is struggling with | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
reading and writing. She is anxious about his future. And she is also | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
angry with the SNP who have been in charge for the whole of her son's | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
education. What has the First Minister got to say to that mother | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
and her son? I'm concerned to learn of any parent anywhere in the | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
country who has concerns of that nature about their child's | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
education. I would repeat again how seriously I and this Government take | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
the challenges that we face in education. I won't repeat as I did | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
with Ruth Davidson, all of the strengths of Scottish education. I | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
do think it is unfair to teachers working hard across the country not | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
to recognise those strengths and to recognise some of the real | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
improvements we're making. Up with of the ones I didn't mention earlier | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
on was the improvements in attainment with pupils with | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
additional support needs. Because we recognise some of these | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
challengeses, we are taking the action we're taking. I don't know | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
the school the child 69 parent quoted by Willie Rennie goes to. But | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
it is very, very likely that the head teacher of that school now has | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
in his or her own hands, additional resources, significant resources to | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
invest in areas that head teacher thinks is required to attain improve | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
thes. It is that action we're determined to continue to drive | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
forward. Many of the reforms we are taking forward are reforms Willie | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
Rennie's opposing. Yes, it is absolutely right members bring | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
concerns to this chamber. But, we also have to be prepared to do the | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
difficult things that are required to see the improvements we all want | :30:34. | :30:34. | |
to see. I'm afraid that's more promises to | :30:35. | :30:43. | |
improve school education at some point in the future. It won't help | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
that schoolboy now. He could be part of a lost generation. He's been in | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
school for a decade. Every single day off that the SNP education | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
secretaries have been in charge. And they still sit round the Cabinet | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
table today. These are the Education Secretary is that rejected a pupil | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
premium for six whole years, even though it raised attainment in | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
England. They delayed education for two-year-olds, rejected a penny on | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
income tax education and cut thousands of places from our | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
colleges. When the First Minister and her ministers have got it so | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
wrong for years, why on earth should that mother and her 15-year-old son | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
ever trust them again? Firstly, these are important issues and | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
important challenges we've got to face. I do think it does a real | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
disservice to the young people of our country to use language like "A | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
lost generation". That is pretty disgraceful. Secondly, Willie Rennie | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
talks about investments he thinks we should have made years ago. I would | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
remind him that those years gone past are exactly the years the | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
liberal Democrats were in a Westminster coalition with the | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
Tories, cutting Scotland's budget year after year after year. APPLAUSE | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
The last point I would make is the most important point. Willie Rennie | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
says the parent he talks about, what good will this do now. The money I'm | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
talking about that is in the hands of head teachers is in the hands of | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
headteachers right now. I've spoken to headteachers in my constituency | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
who are already talking about the initiatives they are taking forward | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
with this investment. The additional investment direct to headteachers, | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
the extra investment elsewhere, but also the measures we are taking | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
forward to ensure that we can track the progress as a result of these | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
measures. Willie Rennie repeatedly stands up in this chamber and | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
opposes the things we are trying to do to make sure that we can see | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
these improvements and make sure we can be accountable to every parent | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
across this country. We will get on with doing the things that need to | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
be done, even sometimes when they are difficult and don't get the | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
support of the Liberal Democrats. APPLAUSE | :33:11. | :33:21. | |
Last night BBC Scotland broadcast a shocking documentary on the human | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
trafficking trade. It provided clear evidence that young girls are being | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
trafficked from Slovakia to Glasgow where they are forced into sham | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
marriages to local men. This is a scandal and human tragedy which is | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
going on under our noses in Scotland right now. Can the First Minister | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
set out what her government will do to support girls who arrive here in | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
such appalling circumstances and what measures can be taken to cut | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
down on trafficking and traffickers who indulge in this evil trade? This | :33:51. | :33:57. | |
is an extremely important issue. Annie Wells is right to say that it | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
is both a terrible crime, it is also a global problem. It's important we | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
take robust steps to tackle it, both in cracking down on the crimes being | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
committed but also making sure we are supporting the victims. In terms | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
of tackling crime, the human trafficking and act passed by this | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
Parliament in 2015 gives both police and prosecutors enhanced powers to | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
detect and prosecute those responsible for human trafficking. | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
Police Scotland also uses joint investigation teams established | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
under European law to work with Romanian and Slovakian police in | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
this area. It's vital that Police Scotland continues to work closely | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
with UK immigration, Euro poll and other nations' police forces in | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
order to investigate human trafficking offences. We will | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
continue to make sure our police force have the powers and resources | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
to investigate and tackle what are evil crimes against these | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
individuals. The second important point is how we support victims of | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
human trafficking. We continue to support what is the invaluable work | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
of organisations that offer assistance to victims. In 2017-18 | :35:18. | :35:29. | |
the government will provide grant funding to specific organisations | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
who support at Old victims of human trafficking, an increase on previous | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
funding. Will also continue to work with them to improve the support | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
available to prevent re-trafficking. There is a whole range of it. I will | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
be happy to write to the Minister with more detail but we should all | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
agree that the crime of human trafficking is evil and we've got to | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
bring those responsible to justice but also provide the support the | :35:55. | :36:02. | |
victims need. Is the First Minister may be aware there is huge | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
disappointment following a prolonged investigation and nine separate | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
court hearings related to the case of the illegal killing of a hen | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
Harrier. The video footage supplied was inadmissible. Notwithstanding | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
the progress made by ministers in recent years in tackling wildlife | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
crime for the First Minister acknowledge this is a serious crime | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
threatening the species. Given that wildlife crime is often difficult to | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
detect, the law and the approach of the Crown Office must take into | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
account such factors. Can I ask the First Minister if she will be | :36:46. | :36:54. | |
willing to investigate this case? I do agree very much with Richard | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
Lochhead. As he will understand, decisions about the prosecution of | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
crime are decisions for the Crown Office and the Law officers act in | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
that respect independently of ministers. I think it's important we | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
take wildlife crime very seriously. Particularly in cases where it | :37:16. | :37:23. | |
threatens a threatened species. I'll be happy to ask the relevant | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
Minister again to meet with Richard Lochhead to look at what more we can | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
do, particularly taking into account his point about often these crimes | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
taking place in remote areas and therefore they are more difficult to | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
detect. It's important we make sure the policy framework, and the law | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
around this, and that the decisions taken by the Crown Office are doing | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
everything possible to crack down on these kinds of crime. We will | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
continue to do everything we can to make sure that is the case. College | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
lecturers have been. On strike for the fourth day in this current | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
dispute, impacting on them, their families and their students' | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
education and exams. Can I ask how many days lecturers will need to | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
strike before the First Minister intervenes to insured the pay deal | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
is honoured? Does she agree with me that preparation time is essential | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
in order to enable high-quality learning? I agree with the last | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
point. I want to see this dispute settled. I don't want to see college | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
lecturers on strike. It's not in their interests or in the interests | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
of squalid Dutch students. As members will be aware that dash in | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
the interests of college students. It will see a significant pay rise | :38:43. | :38:57. | |
for the vast majority of college lecturers. The discussions now are | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
about how different terms and conditions are replaced with a | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
national system. Talks are continuing and I would encourage | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
both sides to go the extra mile, including and perhaps especially the | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
employers to go the extra mile to reach an agreement. In terms of the | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
point about government intervention, and I take this seriously because | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
ministers have been speaking regularly with both sides trying to | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
make sure we do everything to encourage them to move towards a | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
resolution. The move to national bargaining was something the union | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
is rightly long campaigned for an something I'm delighted to see this | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
government has delivered. If we have a situation where in order to | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
resolve a dispute government has to step in and intervene, that's not | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
the success of national bargaining, that would be the failure of | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
national bargaining. Ministers will continue to discuss with both sides, | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
we will do everything we can to bring it to a settlement. Talks are | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
ongoing, I think today and certainly tomorrow and I hope we will see a | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
resolution of this. That's in the interest of college lecturers and | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
also college students. I hope that reassures the member that the | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
government will continue to make sure we are doing everything | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
possible to bring that about. I'd like to refer members to my register | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
of interest to ask the First Minister how the Scottish Government | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
is marking meant to help awareness week. I welcome the opportunity to | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
highlight Mental Health Awareness Week. It's important we all do what | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
we can to increase awareness and reduce the stigma. To mark the week, | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
the Minister for mental health met with parents of children with | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
experience of mental health services and last I spoke at an event to | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
discuss stigma within the workplace. We will hold the first meeting of a | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
stakeholder Forum on the 23rd of June. That is a specific commitment | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
in our new strategy because we know that working with stakeholders will | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
be key to the actions of the strategy in the year ahead. I thank | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
the First Minister for that answer. In my opinion one of the most | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
important actions outlined in the strategy is a commitment to | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
introduce a managed clinical network for perinatal mental health. How | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
would that be progressed and how will it help mothers experiencing | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
mental health problems? Progress is being made and just this week the | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
lead clinician for the managed clinical network for perinatal | :41:31. | :41:38. | |
mental health has been appointed. They heard at first hand from others | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
their experiences in asking for and getting the right help. I would | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
expect the new network to get it right for parents and their children | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
by driving up standards of care through integration of services and | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
more collaboration. I ask the First Minister whether the Scottish | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
Government has had discussions with agency to SEPA? The Scottish | :42:00. | :42:10. | |
Government is in regular contact with the Scottish Environment | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
Protection Agency. SEPA staff are present in Grangemouth on a regular | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
basis as part of their duties to deliver regulatory functions. I | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
understand the following discussion with locally elected members, SEPA | :42:25. | :42:32. | |
is establishing a site to support the wider Stirling -based team. I | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
thank the First Minister for that and I welcome the fact that SEPA are | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
going to have those discussions with Grangemouth. It doesn't require an | :42:41. | :42:52. | |
answer! To ask the First Minister what the Scottish Government is | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
doing to better resource planning authorities in light of an increase | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
in planning fees for major applications from the 1st of June | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
2017. We need a planning system that supports both businesses and | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
communities to deliver high quality development on the ground. There has | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
been a general understanding that fee levels are too low and in many | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
instances aren't proportionate to the work involved in processing | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
planning applications. Fees and performance go hand-in-hand | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
therefore we are increasing the maximum fee for major planning | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
applications to provide further resources to councils to improve | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
performance. The National view of planning fees | :43:29. | :43:42. | |
that she has mentioned, maximum fees have risen from 30,000 to 120 5000. | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
This is a welcome Rob Dorset for local authorities. Many planning | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
authorities have done an excellent job despite cuts. Organisations such | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
as homes for Scotland, are TPI and smaller building firms want to make | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
sure there is a corresponding improvement in the service for those | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
fees. With the First Minister recognise that these costs could be | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
prohibitive if there isn't a dramatic improvement in waiting | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
times in particular I'm looking at the figures for house-building, | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
where there is an average weight of 48 weeks. I know the government has | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
a strong interest in this, planning to build 50,000 houses. I'd like to | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
know what the First Minister can do to ensure those additional costs are | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
spent on improving the planning system itself. I think I would make | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
two quick points. Firstly it's important to stress that the maximum | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
fee increase only applies to major applications, which account for less | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
than 1% of all applications. It wouldn't impact on our plans to | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
deliver 50,000 affordable homes. Secondly, the fee increase is | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
deliberately about giving councils resources to improve their | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
performance. Improving planning performance and doing it on a | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
consistent basis across the country is one of the things we can do to | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
boost economic growth in Scotland. Its vital these increases lead to | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
that improvement in performance. We are seeing improvements in | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
reductions in waiting times for example, there is more that can be | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
done and I hope this increase in the feed together with the actions will | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
take forward from our wider review of planning will help with that in | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
the period ahead. To ask the First Minister in light of the local | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
government elections, whether Scottish Government will act to | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
randomise the ordering of candidates by surname on ballot papers in | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
future elections? For somebody who surname starts with an S, I can see | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
the attraction! Can I begin by congratulating all councillors | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
elected last week. I'm sure everybody would join me in wishing | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
them well in their roles to support local communities. Following the | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
successful electronic count, randomise the ordering of candidates | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
's earnings is one of the innovations the Scottish Government | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
will consider for future elections. No decisions have been taken but | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
it's one of the changes that will be subject to consideration. I thank | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
you for that answer. The SNP randomises its own internal SNP | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
ballot so it seems reasonable that the SNP government introduces such a | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
measure in local elections. The system produces results heavily | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
biased in relation to surnames. In Glasgow 40 of the 43 contests where | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
two or more candidates from the same party stood, the individual who | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
surname is closest to the beginning of the alphabet received the highest | :46:42. | :46:49. | |
number of votes. Does the First Minister agree that after three | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
elections, there is clearly something wrong when one surname can | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
prove such a decisive factor in whether one is elected, and does she | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
not agree that if this isn't addressed the credibility of the | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
single transferable vote system is at stake? APPLAUSE | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
I think that has to count as a classic question! Before I address | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
the substance of the question I'm delighted that there was an Aitken | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
elected in Glasgow because Councillor Susan Aitken of course is | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
set to be the new SNP leader of Glasgow City Council. I'm delighted | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
about that. On the serious issue, it's important that no candidate in | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
any election is at an unfair disadvantage. We would all agree | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
with that and that's why we have already said that we will examine | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
the particular issue that Kenny Gibson has raised. It's also | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
important with any changes to how we do elections but we build consensus | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
around that. Not for any one party to decide on those changes. As we | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
look at but we will be looking carefully at opinion not just across | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
the parties but across civic Scotland as well. As we do have this | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
consideration over the next few years I would encourage everybody | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
across Scotland to contribute to it. That concludes First Minister's | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
Questions. They can't get away from elections. Even talking about the | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
ordering of names on the ballot paper. It's the UK general election | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
that is dominating attention. I'm joined by two colleagues, speaking | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
as a tailor I come after both of you in the running order is! Simon | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
Johnson, first of all, let's talk about the education question. Again, | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
Nicola Sturgeon looking contrite but argumentative in response to it. | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
Yes, I thought sometimes Nicola Sturgeon is at her best when her | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
back is against the wall but she really struggled. She said, you are | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
talking down pupils and teachers, we are doing X, Y, Z. She came up with | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
a convoluted excuse about how we shouldn't be looking at the fact | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
that half of S2 pupils can't write properly. To be honest I thought she | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
struggled because the figures were... It was a tough gig. They are | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
reading off a list of things they are doing latterly to try and | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
address the situation. Both Willie Rennie and Ruth Davidson came back | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
to the fact that ten years ago they came to power. I think she was | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
struggling quite a bit on it. Katrina, it came out of the evidence | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
at Holyrood and the fact it wasn't just the pupils who were in numeric, | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
the teachers themselves lacked the skills in transmitting new Morrissey | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
as well. Yes, trainee teachers, people who are going to educate the | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
next generation said that they were concerned that they didn't have the | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
numeracy skills to teach maths to primary seven pupils. Clearly | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
something has to be done. Nicola Sturgeon says there is a review | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
going on and that's due to publish in the next few months. What it will | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
bring, we will see Ben. Simon, it was both Ruth Davidson and Willie | :50:15. | :50:23. | |
Rennie going on this question. It is a devolved matter but they are | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
trying to make an election point as well. Absolutely. It plays into two | :50:27. | :50:33. | |
key themes for both parties. One is to do with Nicola Sturgeon's | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
competence in government and secondly, it's playing into this | :50:37. | :50:38. | |
argument that the Scottish Government has been focusing on | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
Constitution and the independence referendum rather than doing the day | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
job. But will be a major theme for the Conservatives and Liberal | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
Democrats. The First Minister came back she said it's not me obsessing | :50:51. | :51:02. | |
about the Constitution and it had education, health, transport and | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
justice combined. Nicola Sturgeon said we've been debating the | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
constitution because we've been debating the Brexit shambles your | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
Tory government caused. Is it fair to judge, this is a UK general | :51:17. | :51:24. | |
election, it's not about the matters people decide what people bridge the | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
two. Everything is fair game in politics. People don't understand | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
the daily nation between this place's powers and Westminster's | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
powers. It feeds into issues of competence about Nicola Sturgeon | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
specifically. Let's talk about Kezia Dugdale's chance for Labour, she was | :51:48. | :51:54. | |
going again on the SNP's record. It was health and nurses pay. It was | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
one of the other big responsibilities the Scottish | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
Parliament has. Kezia Dugdale was saying, under the SNP's watch, over | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
the last ten years nurses have seen their wages decline in real terms by | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
over ?3000. Nicola Sturgeon didn't so much dispute that but she said, | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
hang on, nurses are paid more in Scotland than in England and Wales. | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
She said a newly qualified nurse in England or Wales would get ?300 less | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
than their counterparts in Scotland, pointing to Wales which is of course | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
the one part of the UK where Labour are in government. It was an attempt | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
by Kezia Dugdale to place herself on the side of the workforce and Nicola | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
Sturgeon quite explicitly said in her final statement, we are on the | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
side of the workforce. There was a battle there for the hearts and | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
minds. Yes, that was a question to do with one eye on the election as | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
well. Labour are fighting a battle for their base, public sectors | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
workers, workers in the NHS. This was Kezia Dugdale saying, I'm on | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
your side, I believe you should be getting more pay. Katrina, the two | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
topics health and education struck me that they will almost rehearsed | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
positions. Of course these are topics that have been raised | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
endlessly, education was raised last week. Kezia Dugdale was raising the | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
subject of nurses pay only yesterday. But it appeared that they | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
were almost formulaic in the questions and the response as if it | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
was familiar ground for all of them. It did, didn't it? The education | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
questions came off the back of the statistics we had earlier this week | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
and also on the appearance of trainee teachers at the education | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
committee. Kezia Dugdale and Labour were making the same point about | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
nurses pay yesterday. Both sides had their arguments lined up and gave us | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
their lines. It doesn't take us much further forward. Finally, you can | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
see the First Minister responding slightly contrite but equally the | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
Education Secretary sitting next to her looked really solemn and | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
serious. They know this is a huge challenge on these education stats | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
but don't seem to be very good. That's the thing. It's very | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
difficult to turn around, when you've got 49% of S2 pupils who | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
can't write well. It's going to take years of difficult work and they are | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
going to keep getting hammered on this. They can project improvements | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
but it's going to take a while. It's going to take a long time and taking | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
on the education unions as well, which is difficult stuff. They've | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
done a lot of low hanging fruit making this and that free but this | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
will be really difficult. A lot of this was done in England a long time | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
ago. Katrina and Simon, hang on a second. As I mentioned it's the | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
small matter of a UK general election coming up in four weeks' | :55:00. | :55:06. | |
time. We've had the leak of the draft Labour manifesto, pretty well | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
right now it's going to the national executive of the Labour Party at a | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
meeting in London to ratify change. The Scottish party has their input | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
to that. I spoke to Kezia Dugdale just before coming on air, she | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
wasn't exactly delighted that it had been leaked but she welcomed the | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
statement there was against independence in a referendum. I | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
asked her about the fact the manifesto, contrary to the Scottish | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
party's conference position, the manifesto backs the renewal of | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
Trident. You're in favour of Trident according to the manifesto. The | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
draft manifesto clearly says it supports the renewal of Trident, | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
that's the Democratic position of the UK wide Labour Party. Not the | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
Scottish Labour Party? We took a position against the renewal of | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
Trident and we argued that within our movement. The final fate of the | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
Labour Party is to renew Trident but also to... Said the Scottish party | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
is overruled? This is part of our democratic process, we took a | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
position and made our voice Claire. I'm joined by my colleagues again. | :56:11. | :56:19. | |
Simon, let's talk about the leak. Parties like to be in charge of the | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
distribution of policy not having it done by leak. Ignoring what's | :56:24. | :56:31. | |
actually in the document, a leak of an entire manifesto, what it tells | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
the electorate is that this is a party at war with each other. | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
Somebody inside has seen it in their interest... To pass it to the | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
Telegraph who broke the story. The Telegraph and the Mirror! Somebody | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
trying to cover their tracks, perhaps. There's somebody in there | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
who isn't very enamoured with the direction of the party or Mr Corbyn | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
and is trying to sabotage the campaign. This party is not ready | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
for government. As to the content, substantial renationalisation, | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
rail... Rail, energy companies as well. The price cap that the Tories | :57:11. | :57:18. | |
to cried in 2015 on energy prices coming in, now under Labour. | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
Substantial changes as well and offers on Social Security and | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
benefits. Yes, yes. It's interesting, going back to what | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
Simon said about it going to the Telegraph, he said it shows a party | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
in chaos but another commentator was saying, actually more people will | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
read the Labour manifesto as a result! LAUGHTER There's a lot of | :57:45. | :57:56. | |
tax and spending, regulation, nationalisation. It does smack of | :57:57. | :58:06. | |
the 1970s... A gloomy picture of Mr Corbyn, you must have been dredging | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
through the archives to find that one! He looks much smarter now. What | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
does it say about Scotland and the input of the Scottish Parliament? | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
The position on Trident for example, it's slightly shambolic. We've got a | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
UK party saying we are in favour of Trident with a leader who clearly | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
isn't. Up here we've got a Scottish party whose official position is | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
that they are opposed to the renewal of Trident with Kezia Dugdale as a | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
leader who is in favour of Trident. What the voters will make of that, I | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
think they'll be rather confused. They can go with the manifesto | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
approach that Trident will be renewed but they are seeking a | :58:46. | :58:54. | |
multilateral approach. On the subject of the election we will be | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
hosting a series of ask the leader debates on BBC One Scotland a week | :59:00. | :59:02. | |
before the general election, hosted by Glen Campbell. We are looking for | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
members of the public to put their questions to each of the party | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
leaders. You can apply to be part of the audience by visiting the | :59:11. | :59:11. | |
website. You can follow the election | :59:12. | :59:22. | |
throughout the campaign here on BBC Scotland. | :59:23. | :59:36. | |
The race is on to complete London's most ambitious railway. | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
I don't think we've seen anything to this scale and complexity before. | :59:40. | :59:43. |