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As very warm welcome to the Scottish Parliament. Could it be Brexit? | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
There are talks going on in London right now and that could come as | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
questions to the First Minister, but it could be health or economy, let's | :00:33. | :00:41. | |
find out by crossing to the chamber. That is Keith Brown on his feet | :00:42. | :00:50. | |
asking a question about the report into the Scottish economy. Also | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
general questions this morning on city deals and calls for feminine | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
hygiene products to be made free to those who use them. We will have | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
First Minister's Questions shortly before we move on to a debate on | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
domestic abuse, which will be debated throughout this afternoon. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
We have a number of issues likely to come up at First Minister's | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
Questions today. Is it going to be health? Or will be returned to the | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
question that was dominating discussions at the Parliaments | :01:23. | :01:29. | |
yesterday, and matters the Yuki leaving the EU. Members may wish to | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
bulk on a speaker from the National Republic of Kenya. I would also like | :01:41. | :01:56. | |
to welcome the deputy speaker from the National assembly of South | :01:57. | :02:05. | |
Africa. We moved to First Minister's Questions. Question number one, Ruth | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Davidson. To ask the First Minister what engagements she has planned for | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
the rest of the day. To take forward the government's programme for | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Scotland. Doctors leaders have warned this week that the NHS will | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
expedience pockets of meltdown this winter. Can I ask that she feels her | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
government is doing enough to maintain staffing levels. Staffing | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
levels in our hospitals have increased dramatically under this | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
government. There are more than 11,000 additional staff working in | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
the NHS now than it was the case when this government took office. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
The government plans intensively for the winter period. We make sure our | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
health boards and well resourced and supported as they plan to deal with | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
the additional demand that faces the health service during the winter | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
months. I would say that as we prepare for those winter months, it | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
is encouraging to note that as of now, our accident and emergency | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
units are the best performing anywhere in the United Kingdom. Ruth | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
Davidson. I would like to thank the First Minister for that reply, but | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
she will know that the system is in trouble. If you take the situation | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
with temporary staff, we were told this summer that hospitals were | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
having to torn to blow comes more and more to cover shifts, so we | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
asked every health board in Scotland to see how much this was costing. | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
This figure is ?248 million. That is a quarter of ?8 billion spent last | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
year alone on locum doctors and nurses. That figure is up by ?41 | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
million in just one year. At its because our hospitals don't have the | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
staff needed to cover their waters. Does the First Minister think this | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
is in any way satisfactory? Health boards will make use of agency staff | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
were that is required to deliver high-quality care for patients. We | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
are clear with help boards that they should minimise the use of agency | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
staff and we have worked to increase the use of bank NHS staff. What we | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
are focused on is to make sure we have record levels of full-time | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
permanent staff. As I mentioned in my last answer, the increase we have | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
seen in full-time staff since the SNP has been in government, up by | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
more than 11,000 full-time equivalents in that period. That is | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
one of the reasons why, notwithstanding the rising demand, | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
we see waiting times today that are much shorter than they were when we | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
took office. And we have seen our accident and emergency departments | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
perform better than any part of the UK and that has been the case | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
consistently for a considerable PD 's of time. There will always be | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
challenges in the NHS, I would be first to concede that point, but it | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
is because of the resources we are putting into the health service and | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
what we give to health boards and because of the extra numbers of | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
staff but we are seeing patient satisfaction at record levels. The | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
First Minister would admit it, but this is in part due to the failure | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
by this SNP government to manage the NHS properly. Four years ago, as | :05:25. | :05:34. | |
Health Secretary, Nicola Sturgeon cut training places for nurses and | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
midwives. At the time, she called it a sensible way forward. The nurses | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
warned that the cut in numbers risked their not being enough | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
professionally qualified nurses graduating to meet the demand for | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
health service in the future and this cut would be bad for patient | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
care. The nurses were bright, and she was wrong. So let me ask, will | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
the First Minister accept personal responsibility for the problem is | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
how decisions created? The number of qualified nurses and midwives | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
working in our NHS today is up by more than 5% since this government | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
took office. Yes, I am happy to accept personal responsibility for | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
that increase in the number of nurses working in our National | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
Health Service. And just for completeness, we are seeing the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
number of doctors up 25%, the number of emergency medicine consultants up | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
184%. Geriatric medicine consultants up by 30%, paediatric consultants up | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
by 84%, so there are more people working in our NHS today. Ruth | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
Davidson mentioned agency nurses. When we took office there were 728 | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
full-time agency nurses working in the NHS, and last year that was down | :06:58. | :07:06. | |
to 276, a reduction of 61.9%. Yes, there are challenges in our National | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
Health Service. That is because of the increasing demand coming from an | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
ageing population. That is why we have pledged record funding for our | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
health service. In the recent Scottish election, it was the SNP | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
that pledged the biggest increase in health funding of any party | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
standing. We will increase it more than the rate of inflation, but we | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
will also transform health service. We are investing in primary care and | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
social care and community care and expanding elective treatment can | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
Pacitti as well. We will continue to deliver good results in a health | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
service and continue to see good patient satisfaction as well. Now it | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
is all the health boards' fault that they have to spend a quarter of ?1 | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
billion on locum 's because they cannot get regular staff. It's | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
always someone else's fault with this First Minister. Here is the | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
charge sheet this week. This week alone we have had a removal of beers | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
secretary apologising again for the mess they have made of farm | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
payments. We've had an Education Secretary desperate to salvage Named | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
Persons but would even speak to the people who criticise it. Now we see | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
an NHS which has become so stretched that they are shelling out a quarter | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
of ?1 billion a year on costly locum cover. The First Minister is on the | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
slide, because instead of rolling up our sleeves, she's tearing up her | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
promise not to hold a second referendum. When will she finally | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
get a grip of this feeling governments? Of course, the reason | :08:46. | :08:53. | |
Ruth Davidson wants to talk about independence is as a smoke screen | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
for the almighty mess her party has created over the European union. But | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
let me go back to the National Health Service. I see that Ruth | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Davidson was quite keen to get off the subject of the National health | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
service after my last answer. I'm not sure what it is about 61.9% | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
reduction in the use of agency nurses and others government that | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Ruth Davidson didn't quite grasp in my last answer. I'm not sure what it | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
was about an increase in staff in the NHS, a 5% increase in qualified | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
nurses and midwives, it is those kind of investments delivering the | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
results we have seen for patients in health service that is resulting in | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
record patient satisfaction. I recognise there is more work to do, | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
but I think patients would probably prefer this government to continue | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
to build on this success of health service than have the Tory | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
government in London, who have managed to force junior doctors out | :09:54. | :09:54. | |
on strike. To ask the First Minister when she | :09:55. | :10:09. | |
will next meet the Scottish Association for Mental Health. We | :10:10. | :10:20. | |
met with them yesterday. Today is Where It Pink day. The First | :10:21. | :10:30. | |
Minister and I will put on big wigs and glasses to highlight the tall | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
that cancer dates and families. Today's daily record highlights the | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
impact of cancer treatment under this government. This mother of two | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
was Anna Smith many years service. She has secondary breast cancer and | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
is seedy seal. She wrote at the First Minister pleading for help | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
because she has had to raise ?90,000 were strangers to pay for her cancer | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
treatment. In 2016, a woman with breast cancer has took road fund her | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
own cancer care. That cannot be right. She finishes her | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
heartbreaking letter by saying, I don't know where to turn next. I'm | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
turning to the First Minister now. What specific steps will the First | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Minister take to help and get the treatment she needs? I thank Kezia | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
Dugdale for raising this issue. My heart goes out to this lady, I have | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
received her letter. The drug in question is not generally approved | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
for use in the NHS, but is also the geese in England. We had asked the | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
company that manufactures the drug to bring forward a new application | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
out of the price so that it can hopefully be approved. In the | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
meantime, patients can seek to access drugs not approved through an | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
individual requests. I understand that her request was refused. | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
However, I can advise the chamber that this morning, following further | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
discussions, NHS Grampian has agreed to fund the drug for this patient | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
and she has been informed about this morning. I hope we can now all wish | :12:15. | :12:25. | |
you well in the future. There is no doubt that is wonderful news and it | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
will come as great comfort to an, her family and her wider friendship | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
network. But it shouldn't have taken the front page of the Daily Record | :12:35. | :12:42. | |
for that to have happened. If I can get there the First Minister back to | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
the letter, she says, I am not the only patient who has had to battle | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
this and fear and illogical system. She says, for me and them, I would | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
like to meet the First Minister to find a way to fix this mess. Labour | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
recently set out five clear of the proposals for reforming the system, | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
for access to medicines and submitted it to the government's on | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
review. This called for greater transparency on decision-making and | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
the ability to to negotiate on price and be entered to the postcode | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
lottery. Will the First Minister today commit to looking at Labour's | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
proposals and respond to them in detail? I would assume Kezia Dugdale | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
Knowsley view being undertaken by Doctor Brian Montgomery is under way | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
and hasn't reported yet, and the proposals will be considered by | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
Doctor Montgomery as part of that review. I think there is a baby CDs | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
issue here and I am disappointed that Kezia Dugdale is choosing to | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
politicise what is an extremely difficult issue. We have systems in | :13:49. | :13:58. | |
place to make these decisions, these very, very difficult decisions as | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
fair and as transparent as possible. In the last few years, we have seen | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
significant improvements to these systems, so for example, the changes | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
we have already introduced have seen a tenfold increase in the numbers of | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
medicines being accessed through that individual patient treatment | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
request system and Doctor Brian Montgomery's review will bring | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
forward proposals to improve that system even further, but I hope | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
everyone would agree it is vital we have these systems in place, because | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
that is how we deliver fairness to patients in an age when new drugs | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
are coming on the market all the time, and it's also how we deliver | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
fairness for taxpayers. If we don't have a robust systems in place, | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
effectively, we give drug companies are licensed to charge whatever they | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
want for the drugs they bring to make these decisions, | :14:49. | :15:15. | |
having receipt of all the information. | :15:16. | :15:27. | |
The only person that the Hayes this issue was right there. -- | :15:28. | :15:36. | |
politicised this issue was right there. The truth of the matter is | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
that temp three have to find the courage and the strength to tell her | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
story on the bum page of a national newspaper for your government to | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
hack. Think of all the other people around the country who are waiting | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
for that help. We know that she is not alone. The system has to be | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
reformed so that in the future cancer patients don't have to hold | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
bake sales to find the money that they need for the cancer treatment | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
that they need. Can I ask the First Minister again, when the government | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
review is published and Gheorghe Hagi with the chamber that cases | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
like hers will never happen again? No, I cannot and will not give an | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
assurance that no patient ever again will have to find that they cannot | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
access a drug that they think in Olsson Sarah did they should, | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
because in any system that has to assess drugs there will inevitably | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
be hard decisions that are difficult for all of us were drugs are not | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
accessible for a particular patient. I also want to say this is not a | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
case of me and my government intervening. This is a case of the | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
system operating together a patient the drug that I agree she should be | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
accessing. This is about making sure that we have robust systems in | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
place. It would be entirely wrong and I hope no politician across this | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
chamber is seriously arguing that we should have a system based on | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
whether or not politicians decide to intervene in individual cases. What | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
we have to do is get the system in place that is robust and takes these | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
decisions fairly. We have made improvements and vastly increased | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
the access to medicine because of the improvements we have made and we | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
have a review under way that will report and that the recommendations | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
in that report for further improvements we will not hesitate to | :17:29. | :17:38. | |
make them. APPLAUSE. I have a constituency question. Two has to | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
First Minister in the Scottish Government condones Police | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
Scotland's decision to push ahead with plans to close a to police | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
stations in Dumfries Galloway, and more importantly, whether she can | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
give any guarantees that she will intervene to save those stations and | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
protect rural PlayStation spread across Scotland? This is a | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
consultation that will take place and is ongoing. Police Scotland | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
would be happy to meet with the member to discuss his local | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
concerns. That is the right and proper way to go about it. Question | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
number three, 30 two. What will be discussed at the next meeting of the | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
Cabinet? Matters of importance to the people of Scotland. When I | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
questioned... When questioned the First Minister about problem simply | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
Scotland control rooms before, she said where it for any reason if | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
service falls short we will take action rectify that. Why hasn't she | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
done that? We will take action to rectify any failure is when they are | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
brought to our attention. He has made statements in this parliament | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
reflecting on the changes we are making and lessons we are learning. | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
That will continue to be the approach we take. If Willie Rennie | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
wants to bring things up to me he can do that. I am surprised that you | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
doesn't know about this. Today we saw figures that 78,000 calls to the | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
police or dropped. But his calls to the national police number. That is | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
an appalling finger. The Police Federation said that it was | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
unacceptable and there are significant challenges in many parts | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
of the service. Sickness rates are high, morale is low. The IT system | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
has been abandoned. We have just heard about police stations being | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
shot in Dumfries Galloway. Now we discover that 78,000 calls to the | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
police were dropped. Will the First Minister not look again at the | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
damage that she is doing to the people and to the services that we | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
all rely on? I am sure Willie Rennie not that he has told me what | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
particular issue is that it wants to raise will also note that Police | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
Scotland said it was entirely misleading and inaccurate to suggest | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
that 77,000 calls are unanswered by Police Scotland. He will be aware | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
that please call handlers respond over 2.5 million calls every year | :20:26. | :20:34. | |
and Police Scotland report that the average wait time for a 101 call is | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
12 seconds. We will always work with the police to improve service levels | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
to make sure that the quality of service to the public is high and | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
improving. I would remain Willie Rennie that this is the government | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
that has adopted a thousand -- has protected a thousand extra police | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
officers on the street and it is part of the reason why crime is at a | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
41 year low across this country. Supplementary question. Yesterday, | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
the Scottish Government announced it was not accepting info the | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
recommendations from the local government Boundary Commission for | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
Scotland for next year's council elections. The recent why we have | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
Boundary Commission says that they are independent of political | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
parties, civil injecting the recommendations in five council | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
areas, whatever your view of those boundaries, leaves a nasty stench in | :21:36. | :21:43. | |
the air. This unprecedented decision was taken by Joe Fitzpatrick, whose | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
own constituency is in a council area which he has decided not to | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
alter. Can the First Minister explained the decision and what can | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
she say to convince Parliament that Mr Fitzpatrick should not earned the | :21:57. | :21:57. | |
nickname gerrymandering Joe. I am not sure if the member is aware | :21:58. | :22:19. | |
what the Tory government is doing in Westminster around boundaries at | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
this present time. He should have perhaps checked it out before asking | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
his question. We have listened carefully to the concerns of local | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
communities before taking these decisions. The decisions delivered | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
the commitment we made to protect local communities by taking forward | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
changes only where communities have been adequately respected. The | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
decisions not to implement some of the changes have cross-party | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
support, including from every member of Dundee City Council. Opposition | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
spokespeople who are to quick to attack a decision seem unaware that | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
their own party lobbied locally for the change not to go ahead. So, not | :23:03. | :23:10. | |
only is the member unaware what is Westminster colleagues are doing he | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
seems blissfully unaware of what his colleagues locally are doing and | :23:14. | :23:21. | |
saying as well. Supplementary from Claire Adamson. The First Minister | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
may remember that in the period this year I raised with her at the impact | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
of the UK Government's plan production. Housing benefit for | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
vulnerable people who are supported in women's aid refuge accommodation. | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
Can I ask of the First Minister, like me, welcomes the news this | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
morning that the UK Government is abandoning these proposals? Yes, I | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
am extremely relieved at this U-turn from the UK Government. I think it | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
is ridiculous that there has been so much worry and distress because the | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
people well the UK Government has dithered over making this decision | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
and I would take this opportunity to commend the work of Scottish women's | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
eight and others who have campaigned on this. The decision offers welcome | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
assurance that funding will be contained the current levels and the | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
refuges are no longer at risk of closure. We should welcome that but | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
also not enjoy the fact that this was ever an issue in the first | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
place. Last week I held the GP summoned from local GPs in Edinburgh | :24:34. | :24:44. | |
South and... It seems that many practices will no longer be taking | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
in new patients. Other First Minister arranged to meet with me, | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
local GPs and NHS Lothian to take steps to avert this deepening | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
crisis? I would be happy to as the Health Secretary to meet with the | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
member. We are investing to increase primary care capacity. We have | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
increased the numbers of posts for GP trainees that are being | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
advertised. Ready at this stage in this recruitment round we are ahead | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
of where we were at last year at the end of the recruitment round. There | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
is a range of investments being made to improve recruitment and retention | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
of GPs and we need to make sure it that we are helping GPs deal with | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
the workload. For example, pharmacists in GP practices and new | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
paramedic. There is a strong programme of work being taken | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
forward to work with GPs. Will have a new contract in place from next | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
year to deal with the demands on our GPs, who do such a wonderful job for | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
all of us. A supplementary. Jasper First | :25:48. | :25:59. | |
Minister for her reaction to the announcement by the UK Home Office | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
that they plan to close the immigration removal Centre next year | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
and whether she along with many other concerned people in the | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
country will renew calls for the UK Government for more humane treatment | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
of asylum seekers based in Scotland. I welcome the announcement that | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
Dungiven is to close. I am many members across the chamber have | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
campaigned for the closure of that for many years, so that is a | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
positive development. I have concerns about the alternative is to | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
get that the UK Government announced last week and we want to engage with | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
the UK Government to save we can satisfy our concerns on that. But | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
all of us want to see is a system that replaces it that is more at | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
union, not one but is less humane. The UK Government should think less | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
about building walls to keep vulnerable people out and more about | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
how we collectively support the most vulnerable people in our world and | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
give them the support that they so badly need. APPLAUSE. Question | :27:08. | :27:16. | |
number four, Angus MacDonald. Two has to First Minister hide the | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
Scottish Government will seek to make landownership transparent. We | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
are committed to improving the transparency of landownership. Work | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
to complete the land register is underway, with all public land being | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
registered by 2019 and all land by 2024. The consultation on proposals | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
for a register controlling interest in those who own the land was | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
published on the 11th of September and will help inform the regulation | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
to bring forward next year. They will help people to know and | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
understand more about decision making and land in Scotland. Does | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
she agree that it is a highly technical and complex area and that | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
improving transparency of ownership is no easy task question of the | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
purple individuals who would like to see us feel despite the clearly | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
stated will this Parliament. In light of that does the First | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
Minister also welcome that the relevant sections of our land reform | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
act received cross-party support on this chamber? I do agree that this | :28:18. | :28:24. | |
is a highly complex issue and the consultation that I mentioned a | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
moment ago will inform the detailed work that we need to do to develop | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
robust and workable proposals. Yes, despite Tory opposition to the land | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
reform act, we are at stage three of the bill and it was supported by all | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
parties in the chamber. This is an area where I think there is | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
considerable consensus across the chamber and "Can you as we take the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
next steps in shipping regulations that will help further improve the | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
transparency of landownership in Scotland. I've preferred members to | :28:54. | :29:07. | |
my register of interest where I have openly and honestly declared my land | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
and I have no fear in doing so. I wonder if the First Minister would | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
care to accept an invitation from me to walk with me in the Highlands? We | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
can look and talk about the real plant issues which revolve around | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
effective and sustainable as well as productive management, rather than, | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
listen, rather than worry excessively about who owns what. I | :29:36. | :29:48. | |
would also like to rip the people to his register of interests. I think | :29:49. | :29:58. | |
it may explain rather a lot. While I would normally take up almost | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
anybody does not offer of what can the Highlands, I think a bike and | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
use the usual terminology I think due to considerable diary pressures | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
may just have to decline for the moment. Does the First Minister | :30:12. | :30:21. | |
share my view that the holy Grail of land reform must be a transparent | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
register? Which she agreed that that means no front companies or shoddy | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
PLCs or multinational tax havens registered in Panama? | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
Yes, I do agree with the sentiment behind that question, which is why | :30:37. | :30:43. | |
we are putting so much emphasis on transparency. I refer you to my | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
original and so on work to reform the land register and introducing a | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
register of controlling interests. One of the reasons we want to do | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
that is to reduce the scope of the kind of revelations we saw exposed | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
in the Panama papers scandal, for example. We will do as much as we | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
can to make sure our system of land ownership in Scotland and the | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
details are as transparent as possible. Some of the changes he may | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
like to see here are reserved to the Westminster government, so I hope he | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
will join with us in seeking the powers we need to do everything he | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
would like to see us do. Douglas Ross. To ask the First Minister of | :31:26. | :31:43. | |
the Faculty of Advocates... We will continue to discuss the spending | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
review process with the Lord Advocate. The Scottish Government | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
has provided the service with extra funding of ?4.7 million over the | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
past two years to allow it to prosecute exceptionally complex | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
cases. In addition, we are providing just over ?3 million for the | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
prosecution of domestic abuse cases as part of the extra ?20 million | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
across the justice sector to tackle abuse against women and girls. The | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service continues to meet its | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
targets and the Lord Advocate, previously Dean of the Faculty of | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
Advocates himself, he is keen to continue to lead the service and | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
automated it delivers for everyone in Scotland. Brian McConnachie QC, a | :32:27. | :32:35. | |
former prosecutor at the Crown Office has claimed that Scottish | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
office cuts to the system have left the Crown Office and the Procurator | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
Fiscal Service to under resourced. If you keep doing that you will end | :32:44. | :32:51. | |
up with substandard justice system. The First Minister rightly mention | :32:52. | :32:53. | |
the additional funding for domestic abuse. Can the First Minister | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
provide assurances that the Crown Office is sufficiently resourced to | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
handle the increasing demands placed on it to ensure that the victims | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
really do receive the justice they deserve? Is important to point out | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service budget has not been | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
cut, it has remained static over the past five years, with additional | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
funding provided for the three complex cases I spoke about and to | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
improve the time taken to prosecute domestic abuse. We will continue to | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
discuss with the Lord Advocate, the finance secretary will do that, to | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
make sure the Crown Office does have the resources it needs to prosecute | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
crime and to meet the targets I said earlier on and will repeat no, it | :33:39. | :33:47. | |
continues to meet. It is an extremely high performing public | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
service, as the public have a right to expect it to be. Question number | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
six, Claudia Beamish. Task the First Minister of what the Scottish | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
Government's response is to the UK Climate Change Committee to reducing | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
emissions in Scotland 2016 progress report? We welcome this new progress | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
report from the committee on climate change. Rosanna Canning and I were | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
delighted to meet with the cheers of the committee shortly after its | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
launch on Tuesday. In the report, the committee recognises that | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
Scotland continues to lead the UK in reducing greenhouse gas emissions | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
and we have exceeded the level of 2020 target six years early. We will | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
consider the report and will respond in due course. Our new climate | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
change plan will set out our priorities and commitments for | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
reducing emissions under the 2009 act and we will also work with the | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
committee to introduce a new climate change bill, with proposals to be | :34:46. | :34:52. | |
outlined in early 2017. As she will know, many of the technologies | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
needed as we shift towards a low carbon future are in their infancy | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
or don't yet exist. What assessment has the Scottish Government done on | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
the state of funding and commercialisation of funding for | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
support in the heaviest greenhouse gas emitting sectors, transport and | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
agriculture and the synergy between these, and what the assurances and | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
she gives to the chamber today that the central research funding will be | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
available from our government? Roseanna Cunningham, the Cabinet | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
Secretary for the environment, has just met the search providers. We | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
undertake assessments across all these areas. I will ask Rosanna | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
Cunningham to write to the member with the details. The member makes | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
two points that I think merit underlining. First is the importance | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
of new and emerging technologies. On Monday, I was launching the first | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
phase of eight major tidal stream power project, a project that when | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
it is fully installed, will have the capacity to power the equivalent of | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
almost 200,000 homes across Scotland. The UK Government has just | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
given the go-ahead to Hinkley point, a decision I think is wrong. The | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
point I'm making is that right now the UK Government continues to do | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
that on a contract that would allow this project to move into second | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
place. I hope they take a decision on that and that it's a positive | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
decision, very quickly. The second point is the importance of us now | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
are paying our action in areas like transport, housing and agriculture. | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
I think everyone would accept that we have seen considerable success, | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
when it comes to electricity generation, in terms of reducing | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
emissions, but we must now go into areas which will be much harder -- | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
agriculture, housing, the energy sector more generally. If we are | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
serious about meeting our current targets and then meeting more | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
ambitious targets, we need to do that. I hope when we do put forward | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
the proposal is to achieve that, we will have support from right across | :37:05. | :37:12. | |
the chamber. The UK Climate Change Committee this week highlighted once | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
again that emissions from transport are holding us back, that there are | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
zero actions in your government's climate action plan to address this. | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
Isn't it time for big, bold ideas? Does the Prime Minister -- First | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
Minister agree with me that in order to protect the vulnerable and reduce | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
road casualties make our environment low carbon places to live, we should | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
be seeing 20 is plenty on all Scotland's residential roads? We | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
would certainly encourage local authorities to consider that with | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
it's important. Let me first they agree with the member. We've had | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
considerable success. It has not been easy to achieve, but in the | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
area of climate change and reducing emissions, the further we raise our | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
ambition, that tough and it gets to take the action and the more | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
controversial some of the actions become. That's where consensus | :38:06. | :38:16. | |
aboard around the stream bed is going to be so important. There is | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
no doubt that transport, partly because it impacts directly on the | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
lives of many people, falls into that more controversial area. But if | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
we want to continue to meet ambitious targets and see them | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
stretch further, we will have to do that. The final comment I would | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
make, the member who has real credibility on this issue, I would | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
argue that the second, the climate change report this week lauded | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
Scotland as a leader, is lauded as for having met our target ahead of | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
schedule. Yes, it said we had much more to do, but I do think we should | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
concentrate on the positive as well as pressure the government and | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
rightly challenge the government to go further. I would hope we would | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
get some positive endorsement from the The members of the chamber on | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
the progress, often with their help, we have managed to make so far. The | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
report makes clear that emissions from heavy goods vehicles account | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
for 17% of Scotland's transport emissions, but the Scottish | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
Government has achieved an overall change in those emissions between | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
2009 and 2014. Will the First Minister consider promoting urban | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
consolidation centres, logistical hubs which reduce freight journeys, | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
in order to reduce emissions from the transport sector and link this | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
to a transport specific climate targets? I would be very happy, as | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
I'm sure she will be, to ask the Cabinet Secretary for the | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
environment to meet with the member to discuss that and other | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
suggestions. As we continue to make sure we have the plans in place to | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
meet the current target, but also extend that target, as I said, we're | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
going to have to consider proposals, in the nature of the one the member | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
has just put forward, to make sure we can do that. The more cross-party | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
consensus we can build on this, the more chance we have of being | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
successful. Roseanna Cunningham will be happy to meet to discuss that | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
proposal in more depth. To ask the First Minister how the Scottish | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
Government will achieve 100% broadband roll-out across Scotland. | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
As they announced on the programme for government, we intend to provide | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
100% broadband coverage to both domestic and commercial premises | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
across Scotland and to do that we will launch a programme in 2017. We | :40:34. | :40:41. | |
have published a prior information notice, which launches formal supply | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
and engagement process to help inform our delivery plan. This | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
activity builds on the ?400 million investment to deliver broadband | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
coverage to at least 95% of premises by the end of next year. As a | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
result, 640,000 premises had accessed by the end of August this | :41:03. | :41:10. | |
year. In my removal consistency, there are still -- in my rural | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
constituency, there are still problems with mobile phone coverage. | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
What plans does the Scottish Government have to improve that? | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
This is an important question for everyone living in a rural part of | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
Scotland. Mobile phone connectivity is reserved matter largely, we have | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
been determined to take action to improve mobile coverage across the | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
country. Our mobile action plan shows are interested in blue | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
coverage across Scotland, particularly in rural areas. We are | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
the only part of the UK to have such a plan in place, which demonstrates | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
our approach and a willingness to work with industry and providers to | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
improve mobile coverage in remote areas. The Cabinet Secretary would | :42:04. | :42:13. | |
be happy to meet with Kate Forbes to discuss the progress. Does the First | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
Minister except that current access to broadband is far from adequate | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
for many across Scotland and will she heed audit Scotland's advice | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
that recommends we should publish more information on the performance | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
of the programme, in particular data on speed and coverage? We have | :42:35. | :42:43. | |
already increased access to next-generation broadband. We're on | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
track to meet our target of 95% coverage by the end of next year. | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
And the commitment we've given to 100% coverage is not one that has | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
been given by other governments across the UK. We are serious about | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
making sure this commitment is there for everyone, not just for some. I | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
said last week and I think it is true, these days, broadband coverage | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
and digital connectivity is as fundamental to how you live your | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
life or run your business as electricity or running water, that's | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
how important it is. Obviously, but is information published of the | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
project and am happy to consider if there is more information we can | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
publish about progress. But the commitment we have already made is | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
being met. We are on track to meet our commitment by the end of next | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
year and we are absolutely determined bubble meet the 100% | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
target by the end of this Parliament. Can I ask the First | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
Minister why the commitment of the SNP manifesto just five months ago | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
of 100% broadband by 2020 has already slipped to 2021? The | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
commitment is by the end of the parliament, the commitment is as the | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
commitment has always been and it is a commitment I have just reiterated | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
on more than one occasion here today. By the end of this | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
Parliament, we intend that there will be next-generation broadband | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
access for 100% of commercial and residential premises across the | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
country. I can't remember if that was the commitment in the Labour | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
Party manifesto, but I know it was a commitment in the SNP manifesto and | :44:22. | :44:23. | |
I'm determined that we are going to deliver that. That concludes | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
tempting. That is the cause of questions to the First Minister | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
there. We're back to journalistic colleagues to discuss the issues. | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
Here is the front page of the Daily Record, A Woman Requiring A Cancer | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
Drug To Prolong Her Life, Being Told By Specialists She Doesn't Get It. | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
It Was Initially Died On Grounds -- It Was Initially Denied On Grounds | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
Of Costs. She Made A Special Request, It Was Turned Down And It | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Is In Their Becker Today, It Is Raised With The First Minister And | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
Today, She Is Told She Is Getting The Drug. Quite A Development. | :45:08. | :45:16. | |
Here we have a Labour trying to raise an issue that they probably | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
thought they could catch First Minister unawares on, but she came | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
back and said that yes, she is going to get the money. In political terms | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
it was a slam dunk for Nicola Sturgeon, but it raises other | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
questions about if other patients who don't get drugs can write to the | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
First Minister and chalk up the system and get them. It is wonderful | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
news for that family and one has tremendous accord with them. The | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
point that Hamish is making there is that those drugs are restricted for | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
the reasonable cost and Nicola Sturgeon herself said the | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
politicians must not second-guess the decisions of the professionals. | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
It is always difficult when the political becomes professional. It | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
was a good question from Kezia Dugdale. It is a difficult area to | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
try and gain ground on because Nicola Sturgeon knows that brief | :46:15. | :46:25. | |
very well. That is why she... She had the generic exchange on health | :46:26. | :46:33. | |
with Ruth Davidson earlier, about prolonging the life of a mum who has | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
a picture on the front page of the paper staring at you, that is | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
harder. I thought that was the better approach. This third spots in | :46:43. | :46:50. | |
First Minister's Questions is better for Kezia Dugdale. She is not so, | :46:51. | :46:58. | |
but if. Labour are at demanding and guarantee that there will not be | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
another case like Anne McClane-Chang and Nicola Sturgeon refusing to give | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
a guarantee for the reason that she made about the cost and availability | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
of drugs. I thought she trod that balance well. She gave her aunt and | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
individual case and suggest that wouldn't be this drug provided... | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
She was trying to set it was the political intervention and you could | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
see Carla Suarez Navarro saying, come on! On the broader issue saying | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
that this is not something they can do on a regular basis and this -- as | :47:33. | :47:42. | |
politicians they have to stand back. But then people could write to the | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
First Minister demand this treatment that they don't get it as quite not? | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
Nicola Sturgeon may have opened up something kitchen may live to | :47:52. | :48:00. | |
regret. He cannot give every drug to every patient who thinks that they | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
require it. Obviously, the NHS is underachieved structural pressure. | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
We have an agent population. As time goes on unless there is an increase | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
in funding there will be more and more cases were you have to make | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
difficult decisions. The exchange with Ruth Davidson, she was sent to | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
much use of agency nurses, Nicola Sturgeon saying it is done and we | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
have record numbers of staff in the NHS. It is an area that Nicola | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
Sturgeon knows well. These questions have been going on prolonged time | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
whether it is waiting times for targets. I don't know how much it | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
resonates with the public in terms of their own personal experience of | :48:45. | :48:52. | |
the NHS. Edward mountain attempting -- a tempting offer to go for a walk | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
in the Highlands, unaccountably she declined the semantic approach. I | :49:00. | :49:02. | |
think Edward mountain was a bit unfairly treated! He said I am a | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
landowner I have knowledge of this area, I want to talk to you about | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
this issue. She did tease him. She did not answer his question or a | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
goal in it road. She is also not going for a walk with him in the | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
Highlands! I think it was unfairly treated. Graham Simpson from the | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
Conservatives raising the issue of the council boundaries being changed | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
on recommendations but in certain areas they are not being changed and | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
he reckoned in Dundee were Joe Fitzpatrick is the Minister in the | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
local MSP he called gerrymandering joke. To be fair, Joe Fitzpatrick | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
did look pretty delighted with that nickname! I think he thought he was | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
probably going to get more ground but that they needed. I thought that | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
story might have more legs. The Conservatives in Dundee are also | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
backing it. I don't think he was repaired for that part! It was a | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
great nickname. They will call him that in the streets of Dundee. | :50:12. | :50:24. | |
There is an opinion poll out today about whether there will be a second | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
referendum, the majority just saying no. We were going to chat Brexit | :50:33. | :50:41. | |
with the guys in a minute, but here is the man who really knows about | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
it, John Curtis. Before the vote on June 23, some of the polls were | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
asking people how do you think you would vote on an independence | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
referendum if the UK votes to leave the European Union. The answer now | :50:55. | :51:01. | |
looks as though that perhaps it has not made much impact at all. We did | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
have the opinion polls conducted in the immediate wake of the referendum | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
results that suggest of the had been a small but perceptible swing in | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
favour of independence. What was previously the position that 53% of | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
the people wanted to stay in the UK, very even split, but maybe four or | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
5% swing in favour of independence such that there was a slight | :51:28. | :51:39. | |
improvement in people wanting to leave the UK. Actually, no, support | :51:40. | :51:47. | |
for the independence stays at around 46% to 47%, the majority are still | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
in favour of staying in the UK and it may be true that the | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
constitutional debate has not been seriously changed as a result of the | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
Brexit vote. First of all, Paul stunned before the 23rd of June said | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
maybe a few people will shift, but not necessarily a great number of | :52:07. | :52:13. | |
people. One needs to realise that the question that those who voted no | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
are now potentially facing is which matters to you more, just how strong | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
is that the manned or that support remaining inside the European Union | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
amongst Scots and how important is it to them compared to remaining | :52:31. | :52:39. | |
inside the UK who when no voters. What we have learned from the polls | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
is that for a clear majority of those who voted no, even if they | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
might have voted in favour of remaining inside the EU, being part | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
of the UK for them is more important, something they value more | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
highly than being part of the European Union. Only a fifth of | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
those people who voted no in September 2014 say that they would | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
fare to be part of the European Union as opposed to being part of | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
the UK. There are some voters there that the SNP can hope to appeal to | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
but the truth is that the pool of people who voted two years ago | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
against independence look as though they feel strongly commit to the | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
youth -- to the EU, that pool of voters looks as though it is | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
relatively small. The UK decision to leave the EU changes some of the | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
arguments. It means for example that then it was being argued that of | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
Scotland voted to become independent it would have to leave the European | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
Union and then reapply as a new member. Now we are having arguments | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
about if Scotland became independent that it inherits the UK's current | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
membership of the rest of the UK leaves? On the other hand, it is | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
also being debated whether or not you would have to have a real border | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
if the United Kingdom was outside the EU single market and Scotland | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
were within it. That might be making things more difficult. Equally, | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
insofar as much of the argument in favour of independence... Scotland | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
remaining inside the UK was an argument about free trade, | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
containing access to the market. Now it is becoming more of a choice as | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
to which market is the higher priority for Scotland, if we were to | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
have another referendum some of the terms of the debate would be | :54:38. | :54:40. | |
different. So far at least that debate does not seem to have done | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
very much to shift public opinion home but we have not had that much | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
of the debate about independence since the vote on June 23. | :54:49. | :55:01. | |
So, Hamish MacDonnell, we have docs debate between Mike Russell and | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
David Davis on high the next stage of the process on discussing Brexit. | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
Is it likely that there will be a second independence referendum? I | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
think there will be and I think there will be because Nicola | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
Sturgeon has laid out some red lines. She has said access to the | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
single market was absolutely vital. Being a member of the single market | :55:24. | :55:29. | |
rather than just having access. She has made it clear that as far as she | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
is concerned they are are important. If you look at what has happened, it | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
appears as though we will have trouble getting full membership of | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
the single market. David Davis saying it was very improbable that | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
we would be. Looking at that we will see that Nicola Sturgeon is almost | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
bedding 70 corner where she may feel compelled to call another | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
independence referendum whether or not the opinion polls in her favour | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
and at the moment they are not. There has been a bit a shift, an | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
initial surge of the EU referendum putting independence perhaps in the | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
lead. More recent poll suggesting back to a situation where | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
independence is behind the option of the union. So, a bit of a move | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
towards independence but not enough to give that significantly that | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
would be required. There was always a widespread assumption in the | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
build-up to the EU referendum that a vote to Remain from Scotland and is | :56:28. | :56:34. | |
a fool to Leave in the rest would ring about an independence | :56:35. | :56:46. | |
referendum. People want that significantly exercised by leaving | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
the EU that it would move them to the independence camp. I have always | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
viewed this talk of triggers, whether that is the voted top of the | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
outcome of the deal as a red herring. The only thing that matters | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
for the SNP is public support. If Theresa May comes up with a great | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
deal and there is no support for it than they will not push for a | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
referendum. Do you think the Scottish Government will be embedded | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
in the UK negotiation team will they simply be consulted, as the UK | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
ministers my preferred? There would obviously want to be embedded. | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
Theresa May has given broad hints that they will be. If they are | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
embedded will they have any real influence on the discussions? I | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
would expect to see someone like Mike Russell heavily involved, but | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
is he involved where it matters? Izzy involved that those small | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
discussions with the Prime Minister that sets the agenda, or is he just | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
brought in for the discussions on the EU. There has to be a Scottish | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
minister there. It will be Mike Russell. However much he will be Bob | :57:49. | :57:57. | |
remains to be seen. Theresa May said that freedom of movement have to be | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
constrained because that is what the people of Britain buildable. She is | :58:02. | :58:12. | |
in a really difficult position. How do she strike the balance between | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
freedom of movement and access to the single market? She can. You | :58:16. | :58:22. | |
can't be in the single market and not have been of movement. So, that | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
balance between freedom of movement and membership of the single market. | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
Nicola Sturgeon adamant that membership of the single market is | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
required to maintain the UK economy. She is also talking at this stage | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
about working within the UK parameter, working within the UK | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
situation to try to secure a deal that he believes to be good for | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
Scotland but also for the UK. It is only if that feels that she perhaps | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
goes down the Scottish parameter of a second referendum. From me, Brian | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
Taylor, goodbye. SOUNDS TO THE TUNE OF: In The Hall | :58:56. | :59:19. | |
Of The Mountain King by Grieg We follow five amateur orchestras | :59:20. | :59:21. | |
from all across the country, on a musical journey | :59:22. | :59:33. | |
to find one winner to perform alongside the pros | :59:34. | :59:35. | |
at Proms In the Park. | :59:36. | :59:39. |