22/06/2016 Politics Scotland

Good afternoon and welcome to a special Politics Scotland programme.

As the country prepares for the crucial vote

on its future in, or out, of the European Union,

today's programme will focus on exactly that.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has united with her four

predecessors to back a vote for the UK to remain in the EU.

They released a statement this morning saying the EU is "vital

for jobs and investment in Scotland".

But the Leave campaign say the only way to protect Scotland from EU

And that the first ministers were "out of touch" with ordinary

voters over what they called "uncontrolled EU migration".

Ross Thomson from the Scottish Conservatives,

Former Labour MP Nigel Griffiths is from

Ivan McKee from the SNP, who wants to remain in the EU.

And Ross Greer from the Scottish Green Party,

Now, if the opinion polls are to be believed, Thursday night's

Surveys generally showed the Leave camp

ahead until late last week, when the Remain camp clawed

But the bookies seem increasingly confident that remain will win.

Let's start with the position the campaigns are in. If Remain are

claiming that every economic institution said it would be a

disaster if Britain left, with so many business leaders timing I do

say Remain, why aren't you well ahead in the polls? I think the

Leave campaign has been pushing the immigration card. Looking at the

fact is on that, the reality is that if we left the EU we could control

our borders better... We will talk about that later, but with so many

of the so-called experts on your side, it must surprise you that you

are not walking this. In terms of the economy, most people would that

you are not walking this. In terms of the economy, most people would

written and the economy would have a problem if we were outside the EU.

The Leave campaign of English and immigration card and that is one of

the arguments we can't dismantle over the course of this programme.

Are you saying that your feeling that even if people feel they will

be worse off by quitting the EU, that immigration is so important for

them that they will vote to leave anyway? So much nonsense has been

talk out the Leave side that people are starting to believe it. That is

something we can't dismantle through the courts of this programme. Every

economic adviser or a business person that has looked at that and

thought about it, they understand we would have a serious problem in our

economy if Britain was outside of the European Union. Nigel Griffiths,

why do you think that Leave are doing so well? I assume that even

you would not expect to be neck and neck at this stage? People are

weighing up the evidence. These economists at the same ones who said

we would need to join the euro and the cup back completely wrong. It is

the same economists who said on the 12th of March 2008 in the budget...

We will discuss the economy in particular, but what about the point

that immigration is trumping fears about the economy. I don't believe

that. Leaflets have been handed out to millions of people that I wrote

that has not even mentioned immigration. You are not seriously

going to say that the reason many people are going to both... It is

not the pre-eminent reason. There are other reasons, including the

economy and concerns about the state of the euro, the bailouts we have

had to contribute to another European countries and in general

the torpor of the European budget. That is why a lot of people think

that we would be better right. Ross, you must be surprised that you're

not doing better? Definitely frustrated, not necessarily

surprised. It shows the need... Everybody needs to turn out to vote.

There has been massively antiestablishment feeling. There is

a huge report: not just does politics but European politics and

across the pond as well about what people perceive as establishment

across the pond as well about what forces, which is where you can see a

backlash against the opinions of people like the IMF and the Bank of

England. In this case it has been completely misplaced. People leading

the Leave campaign are the epitome of the establishment. Boris Johnson

is the epitome of the establishment. People just want to give the powers

that be at kicking, isn't it a bit rich for you and Ivan to say that is

a problem because both of you were in favour of independence for

a problem because both of you were Scotland. A lot of people voted for

that because they wanted to give the establishment kicking. It is more

sophisticated than that. There is a value in antiestablishment politics,

but leaving the EU is not the answer to that. Handing the right wing of

the right-wing of British politics more power. Why can't you convince

more people but that is the case? It is neck and neck. All referendums

seem to coalesce in the last few days. The referendum vote became

very close but we ended up losing by a higher margin than we expected.

The problem is that the facts but I'd been completely untrue. The ?350

million a week that we give to Europe, that is completely untrue.

They put that on millions of leaflets and it starts getting

through to people. I am interested, Ross Thompson, why do you think,

again, I've resumed that you would have thought this that Remain

would've been further ahead by this stage? We have always been told how

emphatically in support of the EU is that Scotland is. The First Minister

has told us that. I have never felt that on the ground, I have knocked

on doors for weeks and weeks, and they always felt there was something

there, frustration, I amongst the public that was not being reflected

in the polls. A couple of weeks ago we started to see that change. More

and more people were engaging with the message and it was resonating. I

genuinely believe that Scotland will not vote as emphatically in favour

of Remain as people may think. I think things are very close to call

across the UK. In Scotland we have been working really hard and I think

it will be closer here than most of us sitting round the table expected

to be. Would it concern you, Nigel Griffiths, that if we leave the UK

then breaking up the UK could be on the agenda as well as picking up the

European Union? Know, in fact Nicola Sturgeon said that voting to leave

the EU would set back the cause for independence. And when did you

believe a word Nicola Sturgeon said? Not often, but she is right on that.

The SNP would then have to knock on doors and safety people we want to

reapply to the EU, join the euro to do that, and that was always the

policy but they have tried to switch away from that, and I don't think

the people of Scotland one to join the euro and I think that would help

sink the campaign. Absolutely not true. You don't have to join the

sink the campaign. Absolutely not Euro to join the EU. I know there

are lots of pro-independence force Scotland voters who will vote Leave.

Don't they have a point that this would shake up the structures and

see what also? If Scotland votes Remain nincompoops Leave, that would

be the best result. That turmoil would not be good for anybody. Why

wouldn't it be good for independence for Scotland? Because we want to

have a Scotland independent within the EU. But you could leave the EU

and apply to join it again once you had your independence. Continuous

and apply to join it again once you membership of the EU is important

and we wouldn't want to cause any disruption on that comment doesn't

make any sense. This debate is about whether we want to stay in the EU.

For a lot of people that is the debate. This simple fact is if your

main thing is you want another independence referendum, the best

main thing is you want another possible result is that Scotland

would still Remain and England votes to Leave. But that didn't happen at

least that would shake things up. If you go to Remain you have no chance.

If you believe that Scotland should be an independent country than the

best outcome is that the UK as a whole votes to Remain and we

continue to build the case for independence. That doesn't make any

sense. Euro First Minister has been saying if Scotland votes to Remain

but Britain builds the Leave she would have another independence

referendum. We would have to put that on the cards because it would

be a clear example of Scotland putting on weight and the rest of

the UK voting another, that would add to our argument that our votes

in Scotland are not given enough add to our argument that our votes

importance. The more promising it ripped independence that... But do

you not want any road to independence? Is there a good

written about with? That is massively oversimplifying it. Is it?

On the ground, the people I have been working with a lot of them are

card-carrying members of the SNP and the reason they are getting involved

in the Leave campaign is that the genuinely say that the Scottish

Parliament can't be stronger if we take powers back from Brussels. True

nationalists want a stronger Scotland... Nigel is saying that

voting Leave makes independence less likely! The First Minister has seen

the levels of support rank and rank and file and over the weekend has

released panic statements about to vote Remain. That is against the one

option that can bring powers and money back to Scotland. It is

completely untrue. That money would not come back to Scotland, it would

go to the Westminster government. The external relations in terms of

negotiation is a reserved matter. This thing that we would get more

powers if we weren't in the EU or we would get more money is nonsense.

Michael Gove said that Scotland would get powers of immigration if

we went in the EU which is such a piece of nonsense it was transparent

to nearly everybody. That is the kind of untruths that the Leave

campaign are saying. Every fact that contradicts you were something that

is against you is untrue! That is your problem. On the euro if you

look at article if you have to subscribe to the euro if you apply

to join. That is not true. Why are Poland not in the euro? Decidua

mantra. Why are Poland not in the euro, the Czech Republic? They

joined some time ago... Could I just intervene? This is all very

fascinating. One thing we do know about the last day is that a lot of

people out there have not made up their mind. One of the things that I

hear is that it is really difficult, we find it really difficult to

decide so if you talk over each other you will make everyone more

confused so let everyone have their say. Let's move on to immigration. A

great concern is that as part of the European Union we have an

unquantifiable commitment to free migration from the European Union.

That is what many people see as a problem. People say we don't mind

immigration but we would like Britain to be able to control it. As

long as we are a member of the European Union we need to have free

movement of people. Why are people wrong to think that? Looking at the

UK's immigration there are more people emigrating to inside Britain

from outside the EU than inside. If it was easy to control immigration

has the Leave campaign said if we control our own borders, then why

are they unable to control immigration from outside the EU.

That gives a lighter this EU that there a magic bullet and on the

first day after we leave the EU we can control immigration and bring it

down significantly. David Cameron campaigned on a campaign into

bringing immigration down into the tens of thousands but it is over 400

thousand. If it was that easy to do they would've done it already. The

second point is, there is a huge number of British citizens living

within Europe which needs to be considered in this as well. Freedom

of movement goes both ways. Business people need to travel as part of the

free trade agreements and that is an important part of that. It works

both ways and it is important to understand that. Do you share the

concerns about immigration? Immigration was put centrestage by

the leader of the campaign, David Cameron. That was part of the

critical we negotiation. So everything that has flowed from that

has been having immigration centre stage there. We have taken it away

from centrestage on the Labour side and not stressed that at all. Of

course it is an issue. The solution to it is to have a points -based

system so that the people who are coming here RSS, doctors, nurses,

engineers, on the basis of the needs of British public services in

British industry. At the moment, you can't discriminate against people

from the EU who may be less qualified. The problem with what

you're saying is you could not have that system and still be a member of

the single market so that the option of leaving the EU and joining the

EEA, could not happen? rights this is where you are

mistaken. There are quite a few countries who have access to the

single market. Others do not. Many other countries have access to the

single market but do not subscribe. In Europe, every country in Europe

outside the EU has access without the free movement of labour. They

have access to the EU but are not part of the single market. The only

have access to the EU but are not ones with tariffs is Belarus. This

is absolutely not true. Until I became an MSP, I worked in business.

What you're -- if what you were saying was true, they would not have

tariffs. Trying to export stuff in a nightmare. They do not benefit from

free movement. This is difficult. Can I do one of my priority points?

Either of you correct me if I am wrong. Even if there are not tariff

barriers, they are not part of a customs union. So, for example, all

the issues about, denies Asian of goods over Europe, they are not

subject to all of that. -- homogenisation. Is that correct?

Absolutely. It is a nightmare. America is exporting ?500 billion

worth of goods here. China, ?430 billion. They can export and they

can do it quite often with low or more tariffs. -- are no tariffs. We

are within the single market at the moment. For every three jobs we have

here on services we send there, they have five jobs dependent on it. Why

impose tariffs? The Treasury and others say if we are to vote, the

best option would be to join the European economic area, that would

be the least economically damaging, they say. If we are to have a points

-based system on immigration, you cannot be a member of the EU eight.

Everybody agrees the worst for Britain would be to simply be

outside any trade agreements applying WTO rules. The Leave

campaign seem incredibly unsure on which of those options they want.

What we have been clear on is that if the UK votes to leave, it will be

unprecedented. There is nothing that goes before it. We will be creating

history in doing it. We can therefore set up by new -- Rohlin

new deal with Europe. We are the fifth largest economy in the world.

We buy more from Europe than we sell. Any of the producers in

Germany and France will want to impose higher tariffs on the goods

from the UK. There will have to be a period of negotiation after a leave.

A two year period. I am convinced we can get a deal that is better for

Britain. You think it might be possible not to have the free

movement of labour? One of the principal tenets of the EU is the

free movement of labour. That has been a concern across the country.

It genuinely is a concern. If we could have changed something, it

would have happened in the renegotiation. Unfortunately, David

Cameron could not achieve that. How would it be possible for Britain to

be part of the EUA? We could create something new by voting to leave.

This -- Switzerland and Norway are often referred to. Both of them are

on the path to accession. They have accepted things as part of the EU

because it is in their interest. We can do something different. We do

not have to replicate what others have done. If I can steal one of

Ivan McKee's lines from the Independence Referendum, aren't you

saying exactly what the pro-referendum people are saying to

they say they cannot -- we cannot use the pound. As soon as we vote

for independence, the Bank of England will no longer be saying

that because they are so desperate to trade with us. It is the same

argument. I think it is very different. We need to add some

common-sense. If Britain was to leave, we are the fifth largest

economy in the world. We contribute so much to it. There is the scope

within that to actually achieve something which works better for

Scotland. On that specific point, Ross Grier, is it unreasonable to

say... We're talking about Norway and Iceland and Liechtenstein. We

are talking about Switzerland. Britain is the fifth largest economy

in the world. If Britain leaves, it could go to the European Union and

say, it is in our mutual interest to bring in tariff laws but we are not

having free movement of labour. Some sort of compromise could be reached.

The UK could try but that would be a dangerous game to play. We're

talking about least worst options. Why are we talking about the least

worst option? Australia's brother up consistently. Academics at the

University of Sydney say a points -based system would not reduced the

numbers of people you were bringing in. European immigration, immigrants

from the rest of the EU into the UK, have a net contribution to the

economy of ?2 million per year. One in four NHS doctors was not born in

the UK. 14% of all clinical staff. If you are an EU migrants into the

UK, you are more likely to add a university degree than if you are

born here. The benefits migration is brought to the UK are massive. There

are economic benefits, social and cultural benefits. We need to stand

up for that. One of the tragedies of this campaign has been the way the

Leave campaign have used the referendum to divide people. The

racist dogma. The breaking point poster from Nigel Farage that

mirrored a natty propaganda poster from the 1930s. -- Nazi. Do either

of you approve of what Nigel Farage has been up to? I am not a big

far-right supporter. Immigrants played a key part in the NHS.

Doctors from India. Nurses and doctors from the Commonwealth. The

Caribbean. They played a major part. We want them to still play a major

part. What you have done is ring deferred EU nationals, we can buy

those people in, we can get talent from all over the world and not

restricted. Immigration from outside the EU is

higher than it is from inside. It will not matter if more than half of

the immigrants each year come from outside the European Union. We need,

especially Scotland, we need the skills of immigrants coming in and

helping us. What we need is a fair playing. The EU has rigged the

playing field against our interests and caused the problem. That is why

playing field against our interests your campaign made immigration a

major platform of the renegotiation. Why did you do that? Ross Thomson is

far too polite. I want to associate myself with the comments made by

Ross about immigration and its benefits. In my own region, the

north-east of Scotland, we have a situation where we have a chronic

shortage of teachers. I have written situation where we have a chronic

to John Swinney and I'm still waiting to hear back. Also in health

and social care. One skilled labour is prioritised over those who have

skills from other parts of the world. There are people who can come

over and do the job. A fruit picker from Poland is given priority over

someone who has been a qualified teacher. It is the principle of

actually having control. We have zero control right now. It is a

Conservative government. We have zero control over EU migration.

Everyone will accept that. We have zero control over EU migration. We

have the option if we vote Leave to take back control of our borders. We

can match up those with skills to the demands in the jobs market. We

have swathes of people coming in to the UK. Your government has taken

steps... Can you reply? If you have got these skills gaps, you have got

people outside the EU, why not recruit from outside the EU? This

comes back to immigration. It comes back to the Conservative government

policies of trying to cut immigration. The post-work-study

Visa, for example. You have got people who have got skills, coming

to study here. They let them stay in this country. To say that the Leave

campaign... That is utter nonsense. The Royal College of Nursing this

week said we were 2000 nurses short in Scotland. The EIS said that

teachers are doing one third more than their hours. That is because of

your administration's failure to fund enough people. There was a

little gap there which I'm going to use as an opportunity to go on and

talk about the economy. That is the other big issue. Ross Thomson, every

major international organisation with any respect, says that leaving

the EU economically for Britain would be somewhere between very bad

and disastrous. To which the league campaign can produce what? I speak

to people on a daily basis who are in business. Coming back to the

north-east of Scotland, we have a higher rate of entrepreneurs. We

feel that... Those companies who can pay, the people really impacted are

the small and medium-sized businesses. Particularly those

trying to diversify and get away from the corporations. For those who

are trying to start up their business, the EU regulation you have

to go through and jump through just to get something is painful. I

appreciate some small-business people do think that. But what I am

asking you is, I will not go through the list, the Institute of fiscal

studies, the Treasury, the IMF, the Economist, all coming out and saying

this would be a very bad thing to do. It is all very well saying they

are all supporters of. Where are the international organisations which

say, they are wrong. Coming out of the EU would be brilliant for the

British economy. A lot of these international organisations have a

vested interest. That is why it is great for the first time that people

like myself were never had a say in Europe by getting this decision.

Where are the international organisation to say, coming out

would benefit the UK economy? Name me one. The businesses operating in

the UK, those struggling with 100% of the red tape from Brussels, will

benefit. I admire your ability to believe that the feelings of

individuals Trump economics. But the fact is that smacked the fact is

they do not. A lot of figures are getting thrown at you. This is a

fundamental decision. You are studiously avoiding answering. Why

is there not one single respected economic organisation, international

or domestic, which is saying, no. Breaks it would be good for the UK

economy. -- Brexit. Why is every world leader saying it would be bad

for the British economy and it would be bad for the international order

for Britain to leave. Where are the good people on your side? This is

the establishment. This is what has been fundamental about this

campaign. The reason you have seen energised -- people being energised.

People are being set up being told what is best for them by former

political leaders, Prahran -- current political leaders, people

who are totally unaffected. The people affected are those on the

ground, those working hard in their communities every single day. They

are the ones who will feel the impact. Sub Barack Obama is wrong?

He's entitled to his view. Just as he was in the referendum on

independence. It is a decision for the people of the UK.

Congress said this week that we would be at the front of any queue

and the people who run Congress said that they would want us to be at the

front of the queue. Taking your question about the Economist, they

front of the queue. Taking your are not generally the people who

make the money. The people who do other manufacturers, like JVC,

Dyson, people like that... Hang on. other manufacturers, like JVC,

What is the chain of pubs? Weatherspoon is. Once we have JCB

and Wetherspoon is, namely one other leading British company that agrees

with you. Those companies are amongst our most successful is. I

was talking about Weatherspoon is. I was talking about the household

name, the most successful manufacturers worldwide. JCB and

bison. Let's look at the Economist is, they were unanimous that Britain

had to join the euro and many of the manufacturers who are on the side of

the Remain campaign, that would've been a disaster for us. The same

economists were saying the same when Denmark said it wasn't going to join

the euro. They said that a hundred million would be wiped off the

German stock market. The day after they voted to reject the euro in

front of 1.5%. I would rather talk about what ordinary people want.

Business has a part to play but I don't think everything hinges on

that. Just for clarity. The point is, I don't think Nigel Ross are

saying it is what the business says that matters, the point is that it

is ordinary people. If businesses leave Britain because of us leaving

the EU or whatever, it is ordinary people who are affect did. It is.

There is a reason that the largest institution to represent ordinary

people, people like the Trades Union Congress are coming out in favour.

What is your apply to the point that other experts have got it wrong

before. Nigel has an amazing ability to rewrite history when he talks

about all economists. I think we delve and quite far in the history

there the point is that you can find experts on both sides, people who

are qualified to talk on both sides. experts on both sides, people who

The red tape that is strangling business, that is protections.

Health and safety regulations that has reduced work less deaths in the

UK by two thirds. Working Time that has reduced work less deaths in the

stop exploitation. They guaranteed equal pay for equal work, guaranteed

maternity leave. If it has cleaned up environmental legislation. The EU

has benefited our environment, workers, women, our communities.

Ross is right to say that the workers, women, our communities.

business has too much of a stranglehold on the EU which is why

I huge number of us are fighting against that influence, against

Craig feels like TTIP. Could you can't specifically the point that

Nigel Griffiths makes about experts, his argument that these people, and

he forgot to mention the financial crash... You will always find

somebody you can say they agree with this or that and to say that

everybody thought which join the euro is absolutely not true. There

was a range of opinion on that and the majority opinion was that we

wouldn't, and that is what happened. The key issue is what will happen

with the economy if the UK was to The key issue is what will happen

leave the EU. The biggest economy in the world therefore everything will

be OK, that is not the reality of what will happen. It will be a very

difficult environment and you will have to go back and re-negotiate

those fields. It is the... The problem will not be importing goods

from abroad. The problem will be only tried to export services. Other

countries within the EU will be happy to put tariffs on those that

is where it will us. It is a difficult situation. Looking at the

negotiations that will have to happen across the world to remove

tariff barriers it is a long, tortuous process that takes years.

Canada, ten years. All of those negations take a long time. Right

across the world. Switzerland has more trade deals than the EU has

got! Very successful ones. I don't think so. At the end of the day you

have big trading blocs negotiating with each other and that is where

the power lies. If you are to negotiate as a country of 60 million

people for the whole of the youth, you'll get a better drill as part of

the trading block because the other trading blocs want to sell on to the

EU. Companies making decisions on where you are going to invest, they

will take one look at the fact that the UK is outside of the EU and they

will place investment elsewhere. That will lead to a fairly quick

decline in inward investment into this country which will be a

disaster. Would you accept that some of the claims about the economy at

least by the Remain side have been somewhat exaggerated. You have just

explained why it might be difficult for trade deals. The idea that we

will be in a recession, an emergency budget to cut public spending. I am

not going to come on here and defend George Osborne and through numbers

about. He thinks some of that has been invited to -- some of it has

been exaggerated? People will do a projection on something, the stellar

time to a number that they hope voters will relate to. You can argue

with that number of ?5,000 or whatever, the reality is that there

will be significant issues in the economy because of inward

investment, because of the difficulty of putting in place to

deals and the fact that the will be negotiating globally as a much

smaller entity. What number you want to put on it you can debate, but the

reality is it will be a much more difficult position going forward.

Let's move on to the other big issue, which has come up in this,

sovereignty. The claim from your issue, which has come up in this,

side is that in some sense the EU is undemocratic, but we have heard over

and over again that we are run by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

He would concede that that simply is not true? The unelected bureaucrats

in Brussels can initiate legislation by assets unless it is approved by

the governments in the European Union? They drive it through. The

difference between electing eight MSP... It is done by an elite of

people. We cannot have people defending the institution of

Westminster were unelected members of the House of Lords today moaning

about unelected EU bureaucrats are not seeing the irony! If we look at

the issue of sovereignty Harold Wilson 40 years ago said that

Britain would lose no sovereignty of the joined the EU. Since then we

have had a parliament, a legislature, judiciary, we have had

a president, we have even got a seat on the United Nations as well as a

flag and an amp stop if it quacks like a duck it is a duck. All of

this has been done with the approval of the British government. And it is

only eroded our sovereignty. Yes, but it has been done with the

approval of the British government. The British government had a right

at any point with any of the things you mentioned the say no. People

regret passing over that sovereignty and making the European court of

just as... But that's not the point. Somehow Dewar's Centre the operation

of the EU is undemocratic, the point I'm saying is that bureaucrats may

be able to initiate legislation but by and at every point in the past

the British government has had to agree what has been proposed. Or be

overridden. By a qualified majority vote. But not by bureaucrats. You

make my point that the bureaucrats and the other governments have

decided something... Queue are deliberately mixing it up there.

Sovereignty is about the British people being able to vote for the

parliament to take decisions. We are part of Nato and if Vladimir Putin

attacks Turkey we would be committed under Nato treaties to going to war

against Russia. To defending our Nato allies. You are talking about

democracy. My point is that sovereignty is piloted in the modern

world is, much more diligent in that commitment to Nato than it is in the

EU, we are committed to going to war, for goodness sake! On

everything to do with Brussels it is initiated by the bureaucrats and

these are a range of expat ministers and others. There is a ratification

process but it is on a ticket or leave it basis. It is a fundamental

misunderstanding of how it works. The governments come together to

share and work together on issues important to them and the mechanism

high they do that or in which individual governments of the member

states have an imperative that is through the appointment they make in

the Council of ministers and the commission. .

When we voted to join it was a Common Market, neither is a

political construct. But we have approved as the British people...

Governments and prime ministers have signed away powers to the EU. That

is why we need to have this referendum. There is a generation of

people like yourself who have never had a say on Europe and the power

centre it. It takes over on areas of social policy. That is not the

Common Market any more. I think there are a number of people even

sitting around this table that have never had a say on this. You knew

that they talking about sovereignty in the modern world. The countries

in the world that are the most soft and hard once most isolated. The

most often country in the world as North Korea. The point is that that

we pulled together sovereignty because there are some issues we can

only take on together. Climate change can only be solved by

collective action. The refugee crisis will not stop affecting us

believe the EU. What about the point that even if you concede that this

is not undemocratic, it is a form of democracy that is so attenuated that

it doesn't mean anything to people. Which is why the Greens in the

European Parliament have been campaigning for reforms, and we have

European Parliament have been one reforms. Europe is a constantly

evolving set of institutions. Nobody in this country relates to it. We

are having a referendum to decide whether or not we want to be part of

the European peace project. Very briefly, one sentence. I think we

will vote tomorrow to leave the EU. That is all we have time for this

afternoon. Do join us at the weekend

for Sunday Politics Scotland. As the counts

come in from across the UK, we'll be here to discuss

the outcome, keeping you updated throughout the night until the very

last set of votes is declared.