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London. Vibrant, diverse wonderful city that will never be cowed by

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mindless act of violence. Acts of terrorism are not the

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responsibility of any one faith or section of our society. The only

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people to blame for acts of terrorism are the individuals who

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plan and perpetrate them. Let me end by echoing and endorsing the words

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of the Prime Minister. Terrorists seek to undermine our values and

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destroy our way of life. They will not succeed. Whatever our

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disagreements in this chamber or any other, we stand united in our core

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values of democracy, human rights and the rule of law. These values

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are strong and they will endure. I thank the First Minister for that

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answer. On behalf of these benches, we express our deep shock at

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yesterday's events in Westminster. We too send our deep condolences to

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loved up withes who were lost or injured yesterday. We express our

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gratitude to the police officers and security guards who at Westminster

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and here at Holyrood work to keep us safe. Whose bravery we seem only to

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truly appreciate at a time like this. People like PC Keith Palmer

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who lost his life yesterday doing his job, doing his duty. Yesterday,

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a coward killed innocent people and injured many more in an attempt to

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attack the symbol of our countries democracy. He died. The par

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#34eedics demonstrated what a civilised society is by trying to

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save him. His attack on our free Dom will fail again today as we show our

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resolve by returning to work and getting on with our lives. Does the

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First Minister agree, as our representatives of democracy we show

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our defiance that we will not be silenced or cowed. We best strike

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back against terrorism by staying true to our own values of democracy,

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freedom and the rule of law. Yes, indeed I agree wholeheartedly with

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the sentiments expressed by Ruth Davidson. Those of us who have had

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the opportunity to see some of the proceedings in the House of Commons

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this morning, can't fail to have been moved by the poignancy of what

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we witnessed. All of us feel very deeply the impact of what happened

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yesterday. But for our colleagues and friends in the House of Commons

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and in wider Westminster, going back to work today must have been

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difficult and harrowing. But the dignity that was expressed by the

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Prime Minister and, indeed, by other members of Parliament, I think,

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gives us all an example to follow. We have many disagreements. That is

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in the nature of democracy. We have seen that in our own Parliament over

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the past couple of days. But, it is our ability to express these

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disagreements, often very passionately, that is the hallmark

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of our democracy. It is the values of democracy, human rights, freedom,

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of the rule of law, that terrorists seek to strike at. Whatever our

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disagreement and, undoubtedly, before too long he we'll return to

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those disagreement here and in other places, but we have had the

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opportunity in these past 24 hours to remind ourselves of this, that we

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are all united by our common humanity. It is democracy that

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defends our ability to have these disagreements and to express them in

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the way that we do. I thank the First Minister for her answer. Can I

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ask her about the measures to protect people since yesterday's

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events. This morning, the Deputy Chief Constable outlined some of

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those measures taken since yesterday's attacks. As the First

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Minister indicated, these include an increased police presence in our

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conurbations and armed presence on our streets. The Deputy Chief

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Constable described how yesterday Police Scotland officers dropped

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everything to be in the right place. We again, thank them for their axes.

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Can we be reassured Police Scotland with will have all the support they

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need? I have been assured by the Chief Constable he has the resources

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he requires to respond appropriately. There will be

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continue to be, as I should say there always is, ongoing dialogue

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between the Government and police service to ensure they have the

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resources that are required. The police have well developed plans in

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place that enable them to increase security in response to incidents

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like the one that we witnessed yesterday. These plans yesterday

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were activated by Police Scotland and put into place immediately. From

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is an increased police presence around our major conurbations. That,

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as people would expect, includes an increase in the presence of armed

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officers. For reasons that I am sure the whole chamber will understand,

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I'm not going into precise detail about the police tactical response.

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It would be inappropriate and counterproductive for me to do so.

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However, that response does involve a substantial uplift in armed

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officers on duty and also a configuration of resources to ensure

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there has been a high profile non-armed police presence across the

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country. And many members of the public will have seen evidence of

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that this morning, I'm sure as they have travelled to work. I have

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spoken to Deputy Chief Constable this morning to be updated but also

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to continue to be briefed on how the police are responding. The

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arrangements that have been put in place will remain in place for the

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foreseeable future. The police will continue to keep these arrangements

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under review. I am confident and therefore want to reassure the

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public that the police are doing everything that is appropriate to

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ensure the protection of the public. I would reiterate a point I made

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earlier on. The public, as should be the case at all times, should be

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vigilant. If they have concerns abouting in, they should trust their

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instincts and contact the police. But the public should get on with

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their daily business. That, after all, is the best response to

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terrorists. I thank the First Minister for the information. As has

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been noted again today, we can never guard against attacks like

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yesterdays by building higher walls or bigger defences. Nor is a free

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and liberal society here in the UK should we wish to do so even if it

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did work. As the Deputy Chief Constable said this morning, the

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best defence is a cohesive society which self-polices against the

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threat of extremism. A society which stops extremism from taking root and

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poisoning vulnerable minds. Can the First Minister outline practical

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efforts the Government is making to strengthen us all? I would agree it

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will always be a limit to what can be done to provide guarantees of

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protection. But whatever can be done should be done. I've already

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outlined the increased police presence that Police Scotland are

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making available. Those who heard the Deputy Chief Constable on the

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radio this morning will have heard him talking about the specialist

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advice that is available to the police, including counter terrorist

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security advisers to advise on fiscal security, barriers in place

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at key locations and it is important we trust our police to take the

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right decisions in that regard. But there is a fundamental point here.

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Our best resilience does come from community resilience and the

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vigilance of the public. The police have been in contact with faith

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groups already over the course of yesterday, last night and this

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morning. The Chief Constable issued today a message to communities, a

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message of reassurance. The Scottish Government, as we do on an ongoing

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basis, will make contact with key groups in our society, key faith

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communities, to underline the important message of cohesion.

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Terrorists by their very nature seek to divide. Their intention, their

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objective, is to lead us to turn on each other. To look to people in our

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own society to blame. We must not do that. No faith group and no section

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of our society is responsible for what happened on the streets of

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London yesterday. Again, just as it is the best response to terrorism to

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go about our daily business confidently and defiantly, so too is

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the right response to terrorism to unite as a society and to use that

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cohesion as a strength. I thank the First Minister again for her

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response. This has been a week when we've been reminded terrorism has

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many faces. In Northern Ireland, the passing of a former Deputy First

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Minister there has brought back memories of a sickening violence

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that has played out in that part of the UK. Then the events in

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Westminster yesterday reminded us of the new terror threat that's dogged

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the UK and our allies internationally over the last 20

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years. Terror's come to our county in many forms. It has not come from

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one religion or group but from the twisted world view of individuals.

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Does the First Minister agree the lesson here is not to tar one

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religion or group in the coming days but to tackle the evil of terrorist

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ideology itself. Not to vilify or blame whole communities but to show

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we stand united against terror and in defeating it? The best and

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strongest message we can send out from our Parliament today in

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solidarity with our sister Parliament in Westminster and with

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the people of London and other parts of our world that have been blighted

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by the acts of terrorists is exactly that one. Whatever legitimate

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disagreements we have, we are united in those core values that we hold so

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dear. At times like this, it is more important than ever we come together

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to express those values and express our determination that terrorists

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will not divide us. Perhaps there is another lesson and perhaps it is one

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particularly rest onnant for us here in this chamber at this time. We

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resolve disagreements by debate, by discussion and by dialogue. That's

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what democracy is all about. And whatever we disagree on, what we all

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agree on is the importance at the vital importance of a vibrant

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democracy. Let that message ring out loudly from our Parliament today. To

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ask the First Minister what engagements she has for the rest of

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the week. May I add the thoughts and prayers of these benches and this

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party to all affect the by yesterday's attack in Westminster.

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Including the families of chose who died. Can I pay tribute to Keith

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Palmer who kept people safe. Westminster means different things

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to different people. . Our Houses of Parliament are a beacon of democracy

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for so many around the world. They represent freedom, tolerance and the

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rule of law. Westminster is also a place of work. For cleaners,

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catering staff, January terse, journalists, police officers,

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administrators and many more. Many people are going to work together

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concerned about the safety of others. The police officers here in

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Scotland watching guard at train stations. The nurses who put

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themselves at risk every single day. Those who work in our schools who

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dedicate their careers to the enrichment of others. Can the First

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Minister give us assurances that everyone that can be done is being

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done to ensure public safety. Can I thank Kezia Dugdale for her

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question. She's right to draw attention to the fact yesterday we

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were all reminded that Parliament at Westminster just like our Parliament

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here, is not just a symbol of our politics and our democracy, although

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Parliaments the world over are exactly that. But they are places

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where human beings go to work. Some of my oldest friends in life work

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within the Palace of Westminster. There will be many others in this

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chamber who can say exactly the same. I will not be the only one

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whose first thoughts were about people that I love and people who I

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count amongst my dearest friends. That is a reminder that politicians

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are human. The staff who work for them are too. The journalists who

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report on us. At moments like this, it is that humanity we are reminded

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of. I read a wonderful peace by the journalist Jonathan freedland make

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that can point. I recommend it anyone who hasn't already read it. I

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outlined to Ruth Davidson, the steps Police Scotland have taken and will

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continue to take to make sure they are guaranteeing as far as can be

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done, public safety. But it is also important to work hard to guarantee

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public assurance. The police presence that many people will be

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witnessing on our streets today, a higher profile than normal. It is

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not, I stress this, it is not because there is any intelligence

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whatsoever of an increased threat to Scotland. It is about assurance. The

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public, understandably, feel nervous and anxious in the wake of events

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like this. Therefore, part of the job of the police is to keep us safe

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but also to contribute to that sense of assurance. Police Scotland and

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all of us will continue to do that in the days ahead. London is a Mike

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conflict of the world. We know from the Prime Minister's statement just

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an hour ago those injured yesterday were British, French, Romanian,

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South Korean, Greek, German, Polish and Irish. London is an open and

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multicultural city. Home to people of all faith and from many different

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adiverse nest nations. A city that last year elected Europe's first

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Muslim mayor. So, no matter the religion, nationality or identity of

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the attacker or those arrested earlier this morning, this cannot

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and must not turn into a war on any one community. Bringing people

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together bust be part of the solution to combating terror. Will

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the First Minister join me in sending a strong message that

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Britain remains an open, tolerant nation home to people of all faiths

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and all nationalities. Yes, I think that is an extremely important

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message. London is one of the most diverse and cosmopolitan cities in

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the world. Two weeks ago today, I walked across Westminster Bridge on

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my way to the memorial service for Afghanistan and Iraq. On that

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morning, Westminster Bridge was packed, as it is every morning, we

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people of all nationalities and all ages. Skol parties excited to be

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witnessing the Palace of Westminster and everything that the wonderful

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City of London has to offer. We must remind ourself that the victims of

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yesterday's attack would and could have been of all and any

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nationality. But it is also important to remind ourselves as

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Kezia Dugdale has just done, that the responsibility for this attack

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does not lie with any faith or nationality. Terrorists seek to

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pervert religions and we should not in any way contribute to their

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ability to do so. This is an important moment for us to stand

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united and send that message. One of the issues I discussed both last

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night and again this morning with the Deputy Chief Constable was the

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need to be vigilant against any increase in hate crime in the days

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ahead. So, all of us in this parliament should unite to send that

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message. The only people responsible for terrorism are the terrorists.

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This is, of course, the second time in less than a year where we have

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faced an attack on our democracy in Britain. We've watched on in anxious

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asteror struck around the world from Belgium to Nigeria. In the days

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following the brutal murder of Jo Cox, we resolve we've more in common

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than that which divides us. So the best message we can send following

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this terrorist attack is we remain true to the values of tolerance,

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freedom and solidarity? Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with that. I'm sure

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many people yesterday in the immediate of a math of the attack in

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London thought of Jo Cox -- aftermath of the attack in London

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thought of Jo Cox and the incredible dignity her husband and family acted

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in the days immediately following her murder. I had the privilege of

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speaking to Brendan Cox last week. This is an opportunity for us all to

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remind ourselves of the values that she encompanies lated and the values

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that all of us hold so dear. These are the values that terrorists seek

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to strike at. Their whole motivation is to divide, undermine and destroy

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the way of life we hold dear. Just as we all did in the aftermath of

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the murder of Jo Cox, let us again today send that message to those who

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would commit acts of terrorism anywhere in the world, that they

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will not succeed. Whatever we disagree on, we are united by a rock

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solid commitment to the values Kezia Dugdale has articulated. When will

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the Cabinet next meet? The Cabinet will next meet on Tuesday. Thank

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you. May I add on behalf of my own party, our deep concern for all of

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those affected by yesterday's horrific events. The deepest

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sympathies for the friends and families of PC Palmer and all those

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who were killed yesterday. The respect and gratitude we all feel

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towards those who step forward in such circumstances. Both bystanders

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who helped the injured and the emergency services who showed

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professionalism and dedication and the hopes for the recovery of those

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injured. The lasting injury some people wish to inflict upon us all

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is to destroy the empathy and solidarity our society depends upon.

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We should all be united in expressing and building that

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solidarity. In particular challenging those who seek to blame,

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stigmatise and alienate people on the bases of their religion. There

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are those sadly in our society, media and politics in this country

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and others who are today reacting to these events by continuing to

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express racist, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant sentiments. As well

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as reflecting on the First Minister's comments about actions

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necessary to address security concerns, can I welcome the

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assurance that the First Minister has given that the Government will

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also respond robustly to any increase in hate crime and bridge

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disand ask that the First Minister agrees we must continue to tackle

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any threats in our society? I do agree with that. Just as we have to

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stand strong against the terrorists, so too do we have to stand strong

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against anyone who would seek to exploit the acts of terrorists to

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sew division in our society. We are all acutely aware at times like this

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of the feelings, particularly within our Muslim community. People who

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feel as horrified, as shocked and as distressed as any of us do about the

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attack that happened yesterday. But who have often the additional burden

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of feeling that some in our society seek to blame them for these acts.

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So, at this moment in time, at these moments in time, we must stand

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shoulder to shoulder with them. I know from my own constituency, which

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has a very high Muslim population, just how important it is to do that

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at this time. That takes a number of forms. It is about reaching out both

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police and the Scottish Government will do that across all faith

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communities in the days that lie ahead. It is about calling out

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anyone who seeks to respond to what happened in London yesterday with

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racism or intolerance or anti-immigrant sentiment. It is

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about making sure we are vigilant against hate crime and that the

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police respond vigorously to any crimes of that nature. As I said

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earlier on, I've had an assurance from the police this morning that

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they will do exactly that. This is a moment for remembering what unites

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us as human beings. That, in all of the different ways and formed we've

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discussed here this morning, is the most important message we can send.

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May I also ask the First Minister to reflect on the children and young

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people growing up at this time who must also be looking on at these

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events. Their experience is not only of what they see in the news of this

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attack and others, but also their experiences of our response as a

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society, these experiences will shape their understanding of the

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world around them. I grew up at a time when the Cold War created fears

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and insecurity, fears of violent destruction on an unimaginable

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scale. But I can barely imagine the impact of the brutal reality of

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yesterday's attack on those growing up today. What does the First

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Minister believe we can do within our education system and in our

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wider society to overcome those fears and ensure young people grow

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up with those same values of respect and empathy we've all spoken about

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and confidence in the capacity of human tanity to stand together? I

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think Patrick Harvie raises a very important point. I, like Patrick

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Harvie and many of us in this chamber, grew up during the Cold War

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at a time when the fear of terrorism was Irish terrorism. I remember well

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how real that felt at times. But what we didn't have to contend with

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then as young people today have to contend with, was the 24 hours a

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day, seven days a week conveyance of news on social media, on Twitter, on

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Facebook, which we all recognise makes everything seem so much more

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acute, literally every second of every day. I do think we have to be

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conscious of the impact on young people of that. But the other side

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of that, of course, is social media makes this world smaller. It gives

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our young people the ability to reach out to people on the other

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side of the world to build common cause around those things that unite

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us as human beings. It is important our education system ensures that we

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instill those values that all of us hold dear. Those common values. But

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we should also, in the way we respond, seek to lead by example.

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That is something all of us in this chamber across all of the parties

:29:19.:29:27.

feel a responsibility for. To ask the First Minister what issues will

:29:28.:29:30.

be discussed at the next meeting of the Cabinet. Matters of importance,

:29:31.:29:36.

the people of Scotland. For four years, I would walk up Kennington

:29:37.:29:40.

Road and over Westminster Bridge. I'd look up to Big Ben, then down

:29:41.:29:44.

the Thames. Dodging past the tourists taking pictures of this

:29:45.:29:48.

iconic scene, recognised right across the globe. I would descend

:29:49.:29:55.

the steps and into the Palace of Westminster, nodding at the police

:29:56.:29:58.

officer who would nod in return. Morning, Mr Rennie. It was the

:29:59.:30:02.

personal touch. I don't think I will be able to walk that route again

:30:03.:30:06.

without thinking of the people run over. The woman in the river. The

:30:07.:30:14.

police and the people injured. The three people who died, perhaps some

:30:15.:30:19.

were tourists taking pictures. The officer who stood to defend

:30:20.:30:24.

democracy but losing his life in the process. But I do want to be free to

:30:25.:30:33.

walk that route again. Getting the balance right between security and

:30:34.:30:38.

freedom is a difficult one. Does the First Minister agree with me that we

:30:39.:30:46.

must act based on security, expertise, evidence and intelligence

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and not fear? Yes, I do. I agree strongly indeed. Willie Rennie has

:30:54.:30:58.

just very movingly accounted his own experiences of making the journey

:30:59.:31:02.

that many of those who work within Westminster would have made

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yesterday morning. Those of us who have never worked within Westminster

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can relate to our own experiences of coming to work in this building.

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Nodding and saying good morning to the police officers and security

:31:16.:31:20.

staff. The security staff in here, many have been with us since 1999

:31:21.:31:25.

from the very beginning. People we have come to think of, not just as

:31:26.:31:30.

colleagues but as friends. They work every single day around the per

:31:31.:31:33.

imterse of this building and in this building to keep us safe. Yesterday

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was a reminder of just how much we owe each and every one of them.

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Willie Rennie's right though. At times like this, there is, of

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course, a desire on the part of the public to know that the police and

:31:49.:31:53.

security services, who we haven't mentioned yet, yesterday was a

:31:54.:31:58.

shocking event, but the rarity of what happened yesterday is a tribute

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to the security and intelligence workers who keep the country safe at

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all times. It is understandable that in response to an attack like

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yesterday, people's instinct is to worry about security. That is right

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and proper. I feel very strongly the responsibility I have shared with

:32:17.:32:19.

others as First Minister to make sure we are doing everything we

:32:20.:32:23.

possibly can to guarantee the security of the public. But the

:32:24.:32:29.

balance has to be right. I don't want, and I don't believe anyone

:32:30.:32:35.

wants to live in a country where we allow the fear of threat and

:32:36.:32:38.

terrorism to restrict and undermine how we live our lives. That would be

:32:39.:32:42.

allowing the terrorists to get what it is that they want. We have to

:32:43.:32:48.

make sure there is a balance and proportionality in what the police

:32:49.:32:52.

do. Having discussed yesterday and today, I discuss on an ongoing basis

:32:53.:32:57.

peeredically with the police, plans in place, I'm confident they have

:32:58.:33:02.

that balance very firmly in mind. We have to keep the public safe. Above

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all else, it is keeping the public safe for a purpose, to allow the

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public to get on with their day-to-day lives because this is the

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most important thing. Yesterday was especially horrific

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because the scene was so familiar. We have all seen it on television or

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witnessed it ourselves. But these acts of terrorism happen abroad as

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well as at home almost every day. And we must do all we can to protect

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our free, open and liberal society. Never stigmatising, never

:33:40.:33:44.

generalising, reaching out to all faiths, religions, countries, and

:33:45.:33:48.

creeds. Although the attacker yesterday was born here his violent

:33:49.:33:52.

ideology pervades the globe. This is why we must act together with our

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partners, wherever they are in the world. It is about to defence,

:33:57.:34:01.

security, intelligence, also soft power. Soft power to international

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aid, diplomacy and partnerships. Does the First Minister agree with

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that? First Minister. I do. Two points there was underlining. The

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first one that was made, of course, acts of terrorism that happen on our

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own shores or on the shores of our nearest neighbours will always

:34:26.:34:29.

impact more forcibly on us acts of terrorism further afield. But it is

:34:30.:34:32.

important that we recognise that many countries across the world deal

:34:33.:34:37.

with events like this on a very, very regular basis. I was struck

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yesterday watching the television, and a tourist was interviewed, he

:34:44.:34:46.

was from Turkey and he made the point that he was shocked by what

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had happened yesterday but he came from a country where these incidents

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were sadly a regular occurrence. I think that is a reminder that we

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probably all have an obligation to give more attention to acts like

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this that happen in other parts of the world. The second thing worth

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underlining, considering the age we live in, whatever the relationships

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there may be at any time between different countries, the importance

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of all countries working together on security, defence, intelligence, are

:35:28.:35:30.

vitally important, and again perhaps the theme of our discussions is

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this, whatever our disagreements, whatever disagreements happen from

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time to time, there are many, many things regardless of things that

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unite us, not just the values we have spoken of the common interest,

:35:51.:35:54.

that we all have to work together to combat terrorism and keep the

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population safe. Thank you, First Minister and party leaders for their

:36:01.:36:05.

contributions. No supplementary questions, a question from Miles

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Briggs. Thank you, Presiding Officer. First Minister, the

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Edinburgh evening News revealed that NHS visitors and staff will face an

:36:15.:36:19.

increased parking charge every day. Is it fair for hard-working NHS

:36:20.:36:21.

staff to face the more than doubling of parking charges to go to work,

:36:22.:36:27.

what advice does the Scottish Government give to NHS boards in

:36:28.:36:31.

Scotland regarding parking charges for and adjust stuff and will the

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First Minister back my core NHS Lothian to scrap a staggering

:36:37.:36:43.

increase in parking charges? I share this concern and I agree, I do not

:36:44.:36:51.

think it is fair to patients and visitors, some members will recall

:36:52.:36:56.

when I was Health Secretary we abolished parking charges at all

:36:57.:37:00.

NHS- run car parks across the country. There were certain sites

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when it is not possible to do that because of the Private Finance

:37:08.:37:12.

initiative schemes in place, the cost of doing that would have been

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out of proportion. We have looked closely at this. I will happily as

:37:25.:37:29.

the Health Secretary to discuss this matter again with NHS Lothian, not

:37:30.:37:34.

seeking to make a political point, today is not that over that. These

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contracts predate the life of this government but we will continue to

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look and look again to see that there is something that can be done,

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I hope the subs to explain the context for the important issue that

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this member has raced. Thank you, Presiding Officer. I don't know if I

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should declare an interest to ask what forward planning is in place to

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meet the demographic charges of an ageing population! I think she

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should almost certainly declare an interest! I will pay a heavy price

:38:10.:38:22.

for that attempt to lighten the mood in the chamber! Scotland's ageing

:38:23.:38:25.

population is one of our most significant challenges as a society

:38:26.:38:31.

but it is also one of our most significant assets. And we want to

:38:32.:38:36.

ensure that older people continue to contribute and participate to their

:38:37.:38:39.

fullest potential. That is right across the government we are

:38:40.:38:45.

continuing to work with national records Scotland on future

:38:46.:38:48.

publishing projections. From health and social care, planning and

:38:49.:38:53.

housing to combating isolation and supporting people who want to keep

:38:54.:38:56.

working we are making sure that we do all we can to support older

:38:57.:39:00.

people want to enjoy a thriving third age. I thank the First

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Minister in part for her reply! I want to congratulate the Have a lot

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on their Great Matters campaign which we should endorse. And given

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that 80% of the population is over 65 and that in the coming 25 years,

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the number of people aged over 55 is predicted to rise by 82% and people

:39:24.:39:31.

over 80 to 200,000, which will come in the future, will the First

:39:32.:39:40.

Minister commit to appointing a dedicated Minister for older people

:39:41.:39:44.

to work across all government portfolios to provide the best

:39:45.:39:47.

support that we can for older people in Scotland and for the avoidance of

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doubt, First Minister, this is not a job application! First Minister. I

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will obviously give consideration, although I would say that it is the

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responsibility of all ministers to meet because this is an issue that

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cuts across every responsibility of government, so it is the

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responsibility of all ministers to make sure that this is embedded in

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our planning. May I also commend the series of articles running in the

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Herald this weekend. I think Grey Matters has been an excellent

:40:31.:40:34.

contribution to raising awareness of this. We are very mindful of how we

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respond to what is a challenge and an opportunity. His across a busy to

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the debate about migration and freedom of movement. One thing I

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feel strongly about is that we all have a responsibility not to dismiss

:40:54.:40:57.

concerns people have over immigration, do address those

:40:58.:41:00.

concerns but also to focus minds on the economic necessity that we have

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is a country because of the demographics that Christian Grey has

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just outlined, to grow the population, -- Christine Grahame.

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There are many issues here that government has a responsibility to

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take forward. And we will make sure that we do that and do so in

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consultation with others across Parliament. Thank you, Presiding

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Officer. In December it was my privilege to chair a meeting of the

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older People's Forum in this chamber. At 1.I asked those present

:41:35.:41:40.

about what they were most worried or anxious, and I was surprised to

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learn that it was fear of falling which was top of the list. Some

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weeks ago this Parliament passed an amendment in my name calling for a

:41:49.:41:52.

national fall strategy to build upon the work of the 2014 for spring were

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but with resources and adequate awareness raising capabilities.

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Could the First Minister tell the chamber what steps the government

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plans to take in this regard? I will ask the Health Secretary to write to

:42:07.:42:12.

the member with detail of how we are coordinating across government, in

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partnership with local authorities, with the health board and the

:42:15.:42:22.

voluntary sector, making sure that we are aware of the consequences of

:42:23.:42:26.

the risk of falls among older people. I'm not surprised to that

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was the fear that older people expressed most of them. Many older

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people, as they get older, have an increased risk of falling and this

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is in itself a source of fear. And for many, the consequences of a fall

:42:42.:42:47.

can be really severe, and can have a significant impact on their

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independence and ability to live independently. It's important that

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our approach is first and foremost preventative but also dealing

:42:58.:43:01.

quickly and appropriately with the consequences of falls so that they

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do continue to live independently notwithstanding. I will ask the

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Health Secretary to write to this member with more detail about the

:43:16.:43:21.

specific work done. Graham Simpson. To ask a First Minister what the

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Scottish Government 's response is to reports that in 2015 around one

:43:26.:43:29.

in five referrals to child and adolescent mental health services

:43:30.:43:32.

were rejected and over the last three years, approximately 17,000

:43:33.:43:38.

children and young people have been affected. All children referred to

:43:39.:43:45.

specialist children and adolescent mental health services are assessed

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on an individual basis. If through that assessment a clinician does not

:43:49.:43:52.

believe it is the best cause we would expect the child to be

:43:53.:43:55.

referred to an appropriate service. Next week as the chamber is aware

:43:56.:43:59.

the mental health Minister will be bringing forward our new 10-year

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mental health strategy. I can tell the chamber today that one early

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action of that strategy will beat aggression and of referrals and the

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findings will help ensure that children are referred to the right

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services and that those services are able to provide the help that the

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Children In Need. Thank you for that answer, it is very encouraging. Half

:44:23.:44:29.

of all adults mentally ill experience the onset of their

:44:30.:44:33.

problems by the age of 15. So if we can identify and support young

:44:34.:44:41.

people early on we can make a real difference. According to figures,

:44:42.:44:47.

three in ten young people in classrooms in Scotland have a mental

:44:48.:44:53.

health problem. We need to address the needs of children and young

:44:54.:45:03.

people. Those that live in five NHS board areas including my own

:45:04.:45:08.

Lanarkshire with the 18 week target is not being met, one NHS board,

:45:09.:45:12.

Lothian, reports the medium weight of 20 weeks. There have been calls

:45:13.:45:20.

for mental health targets to be reduced to 12 weeks, in line with

:45:21.:45:25.

the waiting time targets, does the First Minister think that is

:45:26.:45:30.

achievable? With the general thrust of the question, if we are able to

:45:31.:45:37.

identify mental health problems in younger people, then obviously we

:45:38.:45:45.

prevent problems later in life. It is that few that will ensure that it

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is an essential part of the strategy that we outlined next week. He is

:45:52.:45:54.

right to raise the issue of waiting times. Progress is being made

:45:55.:45:59.

towards meeting the 18 week waiting time. Some boards are further behind

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than others. We are working closely with those boards to support them in

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accelerating progress. I said this in the chamber before. One thing

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that I think we should be positive about, counterintuitive although

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this often sounds is the fact that there are more people, young and

:46:17.:46:20.

old, being identified with mental health issues and coming forward

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with support because I have said before, what that means is, that the

:46:24.:46:27.

stigma that has often prevented people seeking support in the past

:46:28.:46:31.

is fading and that is something we should all welcome. That places a

:46:32.:46:34.

responsibility on the shoulders of government and services across the

:46:35.:46:38.

country. It is counter-productive to encourage people to come forward for

:46:39.:46:41.

help if they cannot then access that help. That is where the aspects of

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the strategy that I have spoken about, the others will be outlined

:46:48.:46:51.

next week by Maureen Watt, so important. We are increasing support

:46:52.:46:56.

for mental health services. I announced at the weekend 's lives we

:46:57.:46:59.

are making not just within the health service within the criminal

:47:00.:47:04.

justice system as well. This is one of the most important issues not

:47:05.:47:07.

only in the health service but across our society that we face.

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While I am sure there will be robust scrutiny when this strategy is

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outlined next week I hope we can also build a lot of consensus around

:47:17.:47:22.

what we are seeking to do. Thank you, that concludes First Minister's

:47:23.:47:29.

Questions. Possession concluding with the deliberately mundane, the

:47:30.:47:33.

reverting to fundamental democracy. Of course the early exchanges

:47:34.:47:35.

between the leaders about this tragic events in Westminster,

:47:36.:47:41.

references to Westminster Bridge, if you will forgive me, a reference

:47:42.:47:48.

perhaps to Wordsworth, lines composed upon Westminster Bridge.

:47:49.:47:55.

A sight so touching in its imagine he isity. Right now, that scene is a

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scene of death. A crime scene. One can only hope it will return to

:48:02.:48:06.

Wordsworth ease imagine he isity in due course. I'm joined by Robbie

:48:07.:48:13.

done which haddy. The leaders combining there, Robbie, in, first

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of all, their respect but also their determination? Yeah, it's a familiar

:48:18.:48:23.

pattern that comes, if you think back to the Glasgow Airport attack,

:48:24.:48:31.

discussions on Jo Cox, at times like this, Parliament abandons the normal

:48:32.:48:36.

cut and thrust which can get quite heated as we've seen earlier this

:48:37.:48:40.

week, sets aside that to come together and make the case that

:48:41.:48:45.

democracy is too important. On a die like today, we have to stick

:48:46.:48:48.

together. Each of the leaders were applauding each other. Something we

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don't normally see, Lynsey? They were completely united in the

:48:54.:48:59.

chamber, first of all the tributes they paid pot emergency servicend

:49:00.:49:05.

public who helped in that attack. Thing had a sturgeon wholeheartedly

:49:06.:49:07.

agreeing with the words of Theresa May in the House of Commons earlier

:49:08.:49:11.

on. They were talking then crucially about how this cannot be an issue

:49:12.:49:17.

which divides communities across Scotland and how we need to be

:49:18.:49:20.

united as a society against this kind of thing. The MSPs are

:49:21.:49:26.

streaming down the stairs coming out from First Minister's Questions, the

:49:27.:49:29.

business was suspended yesterdays. Most agreed with that decision. One

:49:30.:49:33.

or two thought it was giving in to terrorism. I think it is a glorious

:49:34.:49:38.

assertion of democracy there is that division. But there was that? Some

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felt even by not sticking rigidly to the plan... It was meant to be the

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vote on section 30 powers? Including the referendum debated on going to

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the vote, by not doing that, it was somehow allowing the terrorists to

:49:57.:50:01.

win. In the grand scheme of things, a referendum that's either 18 months

:50:02.:50:07.

away or never, depending on Theresa May's view, a fee days delay at this

:50:08.:50:14.

stage seems a small price to pay. Most MSPs agree with the

:50:15.:50:19.

retimabling. The first news coming through, Lynsey, was of something

:50:20.:50:24.

which might at that stage be seen as relatively minor. It was only as the

:50:25.:50:30.

detail emerged it was seen asafoetida it was. We We don't have

:50:31.:50:35.

a clear picture at first of what's going on. Ken Macintosh, as the

:50:36.:50:44.

Presiding Officer, has to make a considered and proportionate

:50:45.:50:48.

response. He sought to do that. When it got to the stage where he could

:50:49.:50:54.

see MSPs were not able to debate... They weren't able to concentrate or

:50:55.:51:00.

focus on that. Their minds were elsewhere and he suspended business.

:51:01.:51:03.

It was probably the right decision in the end. There's been a small

:51:04.:51:09.

Twitter storm this morning over comments from Andrew Neil who

:51:10.:51:14.

appeared to be critical of the fact initially Holyrood wasn't going to

:51:15.:51:18.

suspend business. Was attacked for that because they did suspend

:51:19.:51:22.

business. The delay was because it was completely impossible to know at

:51:23.:51:25.

that stage how severe the incident was. It shows you had the SNP not

:51:26.:51:31.

done this yesterday or had the whole Parliament done this yesterday, I

:51:32.:51:35.

think that would have been used as a stick to beat Holyrood with. Let's

:51:36.:51:40.

talk about matters arising from the First Minister's comments. Naturally

:51:41.:51:44.

she was primarily offering reassurance. There's no intelligence

:51:45.:51:51.

of an increased threat to Scotland. She talked about more police and

:51:52.:51:56.

armed security? This was the line Ruth Davidson went on. How can we

:51:57.:52:01.

assure the public everything necessary and possible's being done.

:52:02.:52:11.

The First Minister can't go telling all aspects of plans. But I will be

:52:12.:52:16.

amazed if there are not more visible armed police here but certainly

:52:17.:52:20.

around the corner so they can be called at at any time. Lynsey, she

:52:21.:52:26.

talked about securing iconic buildings but also securing the

:52:27.:52:32.

public but securing the public for a purpose to enable normality to

:52:33.:52:38.

resume. ? She did a good job stressing there's no real and known

:52:39.:52:42.

entillingence of a credible threat on Scotland at the moment. That's an

:52:43.:52:46.

important thing for her to stress. She was very measured when she

:52:47.:52:49.

talked about the security response which is the right way to go. There

:52:50.:52:54.

was a great deal of emphasis placed by Nicola Sturgeon and the other

:52:55.:52:58.

leaders, what is it we're trying to protect? It is our values and the

:52:59.:53:04.

way our society operates and the democracy we are very fortunate to

:53:05.:53:09.

have. Robbie, that balance between security and openness? The whole

:53:10.:53:13.

point being, the two things which have to be done, the core values of

:53:14.:53:18.

democracy and rule of law have to be upheld. Any response to what

:53:19.:53:24.

happened yesterday is very important that hate groups or any individuals

:53:25.:53:31.

shouldn't be allowed to hijack this into criticism of Muslims or

:53:32.:53:35.

immigrants in general. I think there was a widespread view in support of

:53:36.:53:40.

that. Because that's making the vicious circle worse. Robbie and

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Lynsey thanks. Hang on for a couple of seconds if you will abbe so kind.

:53:46.:53:51.

We mentioned the Parliamentary business, the rescheduling of

:53:52.:53:58.

business. Earlier, we heard from the Presiding Officer Ken Macintosh. I

:53:59.:54:03.

have this morning written to speaker Bercow, Lord Fowler and the Mayor of

:54:04.:54:06.

London on behalf of the Scottish Parliament. I wanted to convey our

:54:07.:54:12.

sympathy and solidarity with fellow Parliamentarians and to express our

:54:13.:54:17.

sense of loss at the loss of life and cruel suffering inflicted on so

:54:18.:54:20.

many innocent individuals and their families yesterday. Flags are flying

:54:21.:54:25.

at half mast at Holyrood today. We abed a one minute's silence this

:54:26.:54:28.

morning as a mark of respect to those affected by the tragic events.

:54:29.:54:32.

This morning, the Parliament's corporate body received a briefing

:54:33.:54:35.

from Police Scotland. I want to reassure members there is no change

:54:36.:54:41.

to the threat level. No intelligence to suggest a specific threat to

:54:42.:54:46.

Scotland, Edinburgh or Holyrood. However, as a precautionary measure,

:54:47.:54:50.

security was heightened with immediate effect at the Scottish

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Parliament and the corporate body in discussion with Police Scotland and

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the security services, will continue to keep our security arrangements

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under review as we always do. I convened a meeting of the

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parliamentary bureau this morning. A motion will be put to Parliament

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later today that the debate on Scotland's choice be rescheduled for

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next Tuesday. This change has the support of all businessmanagers.

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Other business today will proceed as scheduled as will the business at

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our sister Parliament in Westminster. I hope I speak for all

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members in saying this shocking event should serve to remind us of

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the importance of holding firm to our humanity and of defending our

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democracy. Ken Macintosh referring to business continuing, a

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determination to continue. We saw it earlier at questions. Referring to

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it at Holyrood and the sister Parliament of Westminster. Joined by

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my colleagues again. Robbie, he's talking about the debate on Tuesday.

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It was meant to finish yesterday. There was some talk of it continuing

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today which has proved unfeasible giving the tone and tenor of squeaks

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here and at Westminster. It resumes on Tuesday? I think the gap between

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today, the long weekend, the come back, will put aside the consensus

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of today. That whole tone that was struck. It will be back to the full

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fisticuffs we expect. That's not bad? No, people have strong feelings

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on this. They are right to challenge each other. Back to proper

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parliamentary debate. Today was necessary. You wouldn't want

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Parliament like this all the time. Lynsey, this was an reaction today,

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a decent, humane reaction to tragic events. In the middle of it, a brief

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return to political discussion. Next Tuesday is a very significant day

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indeed in terms of that vote. Though it has been discounted by the UK

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Government already? Next Tuesday, we'll be back into the cut and

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thrust of normal political service we see in this place. Yeah, a very

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important vote. Although we already know what the result will be. But

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what will follow on... We expect to be the SNP and Greens? We expect

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they will get that mandate to seek a section 30 order based on her

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timable. If Theresa May rejects that timable and that call for section

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30, what happens next will be very interesting. It makes next week huge

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at Westminster. As well as absorbing the events of yesterday, the Prime

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Minister says she's determined to trigger Article 50 #50 to take

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Britain out of the EU next week? She also seems determined to give the

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devolved Parliament and assemblies no great say in the letter which

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will formally go to Brussels to trigger that. So, they weren't told

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the timing, though they knew within a few days, it will be the end of

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this month. There's been frustration in not getting any say in the

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wording to see if it leaves open scope for flexibility within these

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islands. Lynsey, what do you make of the debate next week and triggering

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of Article 50? It is a big week. There's some doubt over whether

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we'll see is a response to Nicola Sturgeon's paper which has gotten

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forgotten about. Thank you both for join me about your an am Sis to the

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tragic events from Westminster and events here at Holyrood. I will show

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you a section of the minute's silence referred to earlier. There

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is a determination to carry on as usual. In exactly that spirit, from

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me, brine Tel err, from Hollywood. Goodbye. Before I begin today's

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meeting, I'm sure all members will wish to join with me in sending our

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condolences to the families and friends of those who lost their

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lives in London yesterday. And in paying our respect to all those who

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displayed outstanding bravery in trying to help others. You are

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invited to observe one minute's silence as a mark of respect for

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those who were attacked in the Westminster area.

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