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Welcome to the Scottish Parliament here at Holyrood, the talking point

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this morning those remarks from standard life in their annual report

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saying they would have to make potential preparations for with

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drying operations from Scotland in the event of the risks associated

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with independence. Let us cross to the chamber. -- Standard Life.

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Sadly, we have had confirmation earlier this morning a 62-year-old

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man fell from a platform in the North Sea, transferred to hospital,

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but he has unfortunately passed away. I know the chamber will join

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me in expressing condolences to family, friends and colleagues at

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this distressing time. We on this side add our condolences and

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recognise the importance that people going to work are kept safe.

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recognise the importance that people the United Kingdom. I'm

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recognise the importance that people companies need to leave Scotland

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before the First Minister admits I guess vote would be a disaster for

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Scottish jobs? -- a yes vote. Let me quote exactly from the question and

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answer session at the Standard Life annual meeting. How many people do

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you employ in Edinburgh which might want with be the impact of moving

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jobs? We have made no decision of moving jobs at the current time as a

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consequence of the constitutional debate. We are proud of Scottish

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heritage and believe it is a good place to conduct business and

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compete around the world. They they have intended to plant if this

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continues to not be the case. Our submission should be that Standard

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Life will find Scotland a good place to do business, as does business in

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ten countries around the world, and that will happen first and foremost

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because of the excellence of the staff, its prime asset, the 5000

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people working in Scotland, the strength of the company. And second,

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relating to their points, the Scottish Government puts forward the

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concept of a shared currency and revelatory framework, which is

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exactly the sort of things that Standard Life have been calling for.

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Given that statement, and given the importance of Scotland as a good

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place with which to run business and compete around the world, in this

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chamber not unite in having confidence that an independent

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Scotland, under any constitutional framework, will be exactly that?

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APPLAUSE. Only in Alex Salmond's world was what Standard Life dead

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today represented by what he has said. -- said today. Are tried and

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tested path. Denial, JEERING.

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Delusion. Ms Lamont, deception is not acceptable in the chamber. It

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certainly isn't, and is not in the chamber. And it is not acceptable in

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life. It is not acceptable in the chamber. Continue. Standard Life is

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worth nearly ?250 billion, 90% of its customers are in the rest of the

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United Kingdom. Now, Standard Life is actively making plans to leave

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Scotland if the First Minister gets his way. No amount of bluff, no

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amount of bluster, and no amount of bullying from Alex Salmond can

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change that fact. Now, Will the First Minister admit that, if

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Scotland leaves the United Kingdom, people's jobs will leave Scotland?

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The bluff, bluster and bullying applies to George Osborne, the Tory

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Chancellor that she is in alliance with. What Standard Life are seeing

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is what I have read out. I know Johann Lamont says she does not

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believe what I say, but I was reading exactly from the question

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and answer session at two-day's AGM. What they are two is they want

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Scotland to be a good place in which to run business and complete around

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the world, as they do in ten countries at the moment. We say we

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can say that Scotland will be a good place to run business from, we can

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do that because of the propositions we make, have a currency union,

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secure regulatory environment, we make, have a currency union,

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the skills and assets of its staff, which is what makes Standard Life,

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and has made Standard Life, a successful company. The Scottish

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Government put forward a viewpoint of what we believe to be in the best

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interests of Scotland, a logical and rational argument. Is it really the

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case that you and Lamb and is making is that Scotland will not be a good

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place to do business? -- the real case that Johann Lamont is making

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question that there is substantial evidence that not only will it be a

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good place to do business, but an independent Scotland will be a more

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competitive place to do business. APPLAUSE. It is precisely because

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Scotland is a good place to do business we want Scotland to stay

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strong in the United Kingdom, in the currency union we have now. The

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First Minister has to explain why he wants to create change to something

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that is actually working all stop but of course, it is not just

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Standard Life. Royal Bank of Scotland, the bank the First

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Minister used to work for, that he encouraged to do the deal which made

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them go bust, The Royal Bank of Scotland--... JEERING. Order. We

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have all seen the letter you wrote to Fred Goodwin. The of Scotland has

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said that uncertainty is damaging their fragile business. Standard

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Life planning to leave, RDS shedding Scottish jobs. When the First

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Minister said he did not mind that your economics, he was not kidding.

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-- RBS shedding jobs. Isn't it the case that Alex Salmond's

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-- RBS shedding jobs. Isn't it the Margaret Thatcher?

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-- RBS shedding jobs. Isn't it the believes that Scotland is not

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genetically programmed to make political decisions could possibly

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come up with that concoction of nonsense! Let us take it parties by

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piece. We have been here before. Standard Life in the past have

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expressed concerns. In 1992, of course, the managing director wrote

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to every employee saying that any constitutional change, any

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constitutional change, would be damaging for their business and cost

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jobs, but by 1997, they had changed their minds as experience showed

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them constitutional change could secure a business environment. I

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think Johann Lamont should remember that in the past, other people have

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been convinced by experience and evidence that Scotland indeed is

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genetically programmed to make political decisions. But then of

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course she mentions other things. There have been a range of

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statements across the financial sector. Ross McEwan stated that the

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Royal Bank operates in 38 countries, an independent Scotland would make

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it 39. Independence was described as a matter for the Scottish people to

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decide. Aberdeen asset management, if it did happen, it would been

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neutral. Major figures recognise that the operations of their

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business in an independent Scotland could be highly successful. In the

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past, when we were faced with businesses who have concerns or

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doubt, and the Anson of those supporting constitutional change was

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to demonstrate by evidence and billions that Scotland would be more

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successful. -- the answer. That is what has been done in the past and

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will be done with what has been done in the past and

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debate. But she should say she believes that Scotland is capable of

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making political decisions, because if you don't believe that, and she

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seemed to deny in a debate earlier this week, then the whole basis on

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which we have come so far to this parliament is being denied and, as

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we have demonstrated, our ability to run so many of the affairs of

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Scotland better than they have ever been run from Westminster, so we can

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demonstrate our ability to run our economy and other great issues and

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independent Scotland will do. APPLAUSE. Yet more from the First

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Minister, obviously someone up Googling, Alex Salmond is right.

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LAUGHTER. I just thought they were getting paid for it. This is far too

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serious to score cheap points about the significance about what Standard

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Life is being. About what Standard Life is saying. Now, BP has warned

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independence will damage Scotland. RBS Damaged by the uncertainty Alex

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Salmond is even causing now. Standard Life planning to leave if

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there is a yes vote. The workers on the River Clyde warning there will

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be no shipbuilding after a yes vote. The First Minister can selectively

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quote all he likes. He can rewrite people's words and try to mislead

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the people of Scotland all he can. But the reality, more jobs go down

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at Ravenscraig, more than Bathgate, more than Linwood. If there is a yes

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vote, isn't it the case that we will need to be right that song. If there

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is a yes vote, isn't need to be right that song. If there

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Standard Life no more. RBS no more. Shipbuilding no more! The Scotland,

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the Scotland, we love and fight for, no more. And all for Alex Salmond, a

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price worth paying. APPLAUSE. Hors d'oeuvre. -- Order. Looking at

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what she has quoted, such as Bathgate, the things put out by the

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no campaign in 1979, one which she supported, because she was against

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evolution. Scotland did not get a parliament and guess what happened?

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Bathgate, Linwood, Lochaber, all closed! APPLAUSE. Now, of course, if

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you Lamont had not supported the no campaign in 1979, she could have

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said that the sole Tory scaremongering, but now we are

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seeing not just Tory scaremongering, because she was a no vote in 1979,

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she agrees with exactly the same tactics that Scotland has grown out

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of over these last 20 years. We have seen through this gear mongering. If

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we had not been through Ed, we would not have this Parliament. -- seen

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through the scaremongering. Scotland will go on to prosperity and more

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equality through an independent Scotland, it will not be our

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business no more, it will be the Labour Party no more. CHEERING.

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Question number two. Order. Ruth Davidson. I would like to add

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Question number two. Order. Ruth chamber to the family of the worker

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from the platform tragically killed and I would like to ask the First

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Minister when he will next meet the Prime Minister? No plans in the near

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future. Thank you. 5000 people across Scotland will cut to hear

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that, in the event of a yes vote, the jobs might move both. The chief

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executive of Standard Life, David Ness, said he had started to

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establish countries outside of Scotland to operate within

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independence. They are just making calm and rational preparations for

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what happens when you break up a country in which it is operating.

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Standard Life has just told as their plan B. How about the First

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Minister? Can I read Ruth Davidson something written in the past? The

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Scottish life-insurance industry has emerged in recent weeks as the

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business sector most publicly demented by even the hint of home

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rule. The biggest players, led by Standard Life and Scottish Widows,

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even included letters to staff warning about the status of jobs.

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That was written by Alf Young, the commentator, talking about the 1992

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election campaign. What was worst about that aspect in the campaign,

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it was the Conservative Party who were exploiting fears of business

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and trying to translate them into opposition to constitutional change

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in Scotland. But what happened, by 1997, is that people had been

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through that tactic I have read what Standard Life actually said today.

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They said they wanted security in having a competitive business

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environment. I read it to the chamber that Scotland would be a

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good place through which to run business and compete around the

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world in the ten countries and due respect and is which Standard Life

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currently operates. Ruth Davidson, can you not, from the position of

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the Scottish Conservatives, not express the confidence that we can

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create, in Scotland, that good competitive place to do business, so

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that our highly successful companies can grow their staff in an

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independent Scotland? APPLAUSE. What he does not understand is that when

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David nicht tells people what they will do it is not a conspiracy, when

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other companies say they would move business it is not a conspiracy,

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when Asda say they will put up prices, that is not a conspiracy.

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When it is said that a currency union without shared government

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would be very dangerous, that is not a conspiracy. When a Canadian banker

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says you would have to give up sovereignty to have currency union,

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that is not a conspiracy. However much he would like to protest that

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the Chancellor of the Exchequer, his opposite numbers and the Treasury

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say that a currency union would not be in the best interests of the rest

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of the UK, that is not a conspiracy either. Explaining how independence

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would affect them, their country, their business and their customers

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is vital to this debate and the SNP should not dismiss those voices or

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shout them down. Standard Life has said that jobs could go in an

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independent Scotland if they are not giving our duty on

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independent Scotland if they are not issues. What can

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independent Scotland if they are not tell their employees today that he

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could not tell them yesterday? The conspiracy is not taking place among

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the range of companies that Ruth Davidson quartered, it is taking

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place among the scaremongers who want to misrepresent what is being

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presented. The governor of the Bank of England to made the judicious

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speech in Edinburgh a few weeks ago is to be incorporated with the

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Chancellor of the Exchequer 's political statements against

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monetary union. I have already read out what the Chief Executive of the

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Bank of Scotland said, I heard him on the radio this morning, she is

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misquoting him. I have seen on the record what else has been said. I

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noticed in the papers last week that standard life investments have

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reportedly agreed a joint venture acquisition in the joint deal for a

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site for Edinburgh. The deal was described as a first-class long-term

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investment for our partners, that is what is going on in terms of the

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Scottish economy and the attempts by the Chancellor Nix Decker going back

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to 2011 to undermine confidence have failed. Ruth Davidson's attempts

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will as well. She asks who is supporting our proposition for a

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currency union. A huge range of people. Emig Donald, Tony Banks,

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Martin Mackay, Edwin McKee, key business people who have signed a

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letter to the Scotsman. The UK as an optimal currency zone and would

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letter to the Scotsman. The UK as an in the future. Jim Walker of the

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bank and business finance partner. A range of people. Above all, the

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Scottish people who, by a significant majority, think our

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proposal is right. Everyone else who supports our proposal for a currency

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union. Jackson Karloff. Not only is he is support, he goes further, he

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will man the barricades. I love giving Ruth Davidson the benefit of

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the doubt, when Jackson is on the barricades Ruth and I will be

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standing along with him. The First Minister will be a weird last week

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that in response to investigations by the Kieran Spectra it it was

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announced the Independent Hamilton schoolmasterly in Aberdeen would

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close immediately. The future provision for preschool children

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following the closure of the nurse remains in doubt. Well be Minister

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update us on progress and ensure as everything is being done to find

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places for the nursery children affected and minimise disruption to

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families? I can report, and she knows that Aberdeen Council and the

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Scottish Government are working closely on this. As of last night,

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over 50 places have already been secured for the children involved.

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She knows that faced with the reports that the government

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ministers were faced with, there was no reasonable alternative but to

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take the action which was required to be taken with guard to the

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Hamilton school. We will continue to work closely with Aberdeen Council

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to insular the minimum of disruption. I think the very rapid

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and effective and is was left with the primary children. -- to ensure

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the minimum of disruption. I think looking at the efforts that have

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been made, it affects the children, families and staff of the school.

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Everyone is doing their up most to make sure there is the minimum of

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disruption. The welfare of children has been uppermost in everyone's

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mind. Can I ask the First Minister of what support the Scottish

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Government is finding for food banks? We have now put in place more

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than ?250 million of medication. That is over three years from 2013,

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14, to 2015/16. That is to help with welfare change. That is aimed at the

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most vulnerable in society to tackle the worst impact of cuts which,

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research and September found that food banks themselves believe are

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the root cause of the massive increase in numbers using their

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services. We will continue to work with partners to insure that those

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who use food banks have access to appropriate advice and support. I

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have asked for more research into food poverty in Scotland. In the

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week when Scotland's largest food bank ran out of food, does he agree

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with the General Assembly and Church of Scotland when they said this is

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not right Western Mark this is an affront to the dignity of our fellow

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human beings when they are forced to rely on these services.

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human beings when they are forced to the measure of a just society that

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we resolve to tackle and eradicate the poverty that exists in

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Scotland? I agree with that. I also think that any politician who visits

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and supports the food bank is caught in the pawns of dilemma of two

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minds. Admiration for the solidarity being shown by those who worked in

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food banks, those volunteering to help fellow citizens, but also the

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clearer understanding shared by those volunteers in the food banks

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that it is disgraceful that in 21st century Scotland we are seeing the

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spread of the necessity to help our fellow citizens in distress. I think

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both these aspects should be taken forward policy. One is solidarity

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which does help people and secondly the determination to eliminate the

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necessity of people trying to rely on food banks. I could not agree

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more with those comments. Referral have been made to food banks instead

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of grants being made available from the Scottish welfare fund, this is

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happening at a time when the Scottish welfare fund is

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substantially underspent. The minister last week projecting an

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underspend of millions. Wiki there for consider an urgent review to

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ensure the Scottish welfare fund better supports those in prices,

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negating some of the needs for food banks? It is under review. When I

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visited Edinburgh food banks a couple of weeks ago they were saying

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exactly that. Operations with local authorities is insular in a better

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provision. It was often said these bonds are undersubscribed. It seems

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quite clear that the series of mitigation is put forward by the

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Scottish Government and local authorities are not going to be

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undersubscribed, they are new schemes that have been set and as

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time goes on more and more is being claimed from that mitigation

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scheme. That is the reality. The other reality at some stage Jackie

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Baillie is going to face is that with all the best will in the world,

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?250 million of mitigation, we cannot cope with the full extent of

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the welfare cuts that have been born down upon many sections of Scottish

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society. Given that is the reality, at some stage she will also have to

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reconsider her incredible position not that Scotland could not run

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welfare provision but that it should not run welfare provision. The

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reality is that it must run welfare provision. To ask the First Minister

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what the Scottish Government position is on the recent increase

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in the reported incidence of rape. It is troubling. We know the highest

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proportion are never reported to police, it may be that victims have

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more confidence in the police and are more willing to come forward to

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report crime. The Crown Office has also improved the way it handles

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rape with the creation of the National sexual crimes unit. I thank

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him for that answer but whatever the reason for the increase, given the

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current constraints on public finance, can he advise what funding

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is available from the Scottish Government to ensure agencies to

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assist alleged rape victims are properly financed? There are now 14

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Scottish rape crisis centres. They properly financed? There are now 14

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will receive funding each year until 2015. Rape crisis Scotland will see

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244,000 of government funding each year. They also support the 14 rape

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crisis centres. We are also providing a rape at Viscusi pilot

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which supports victims through their contact with criminal justice

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systems. We support the rape crisis helpline which received 260,000 of

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Scottish Government funding from 2012 to 2015. That offers

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confidential information and help for women and men who have received

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sexual violence. In light of the evidence given by health and

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well-being audit committee in February, how many confidentiality

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clauses have been included automatically in NHS cases? They

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were induced in 1993, while these clauses have often been used there

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is no obligation to do so. There is understandable concern that the

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inclusion of a confidentiality clause in a standard template

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produced in 2009 has been encouraging their use. That is why

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this morning it was announced these confidentiality clauses are to be

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removed from the standard template. The presumption must be against

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their use. There is no cause whatsoever that can ever prevent an

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NHS employee raising any concerns they might have on patient safety.

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Can I thank him for his remarks? Is you Wear, according to Freedom of

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information requests, in 2007/8 there

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information requests, in 2007/8 NHS in Scotland at the cost

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information requests, in 2007/8 ?130,000. That figure has risen

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every year since. In 2012 to 110. Last year to 143, ?3.5 million. Now

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we discover that every one of these has a confidentiality clause. That

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they recognise this problem is one of his own creation? After Ken

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Macintosh thanking me for the week I responded to his first question, I

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think he should accept that the Health Secretary has consistently

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says he is looking at this issue. Looking at how this can best be

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sorted in the interest of patients gear -- patient care in Scotland.

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They can be no cause in terms of law to prevent an NHS Folly raising

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concerns of safety. The patient's rights act established a

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confidentiality helpline and Alex Neil announced this very morning at

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the Royal College of Nursing conference of taking a further move

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to ensure a deal through the use of the standard template to make it

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absolutely clear to health boards that the confidentiality clauses are

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removed from standard template and the presumption should be against

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their use. That seems to me a range of measures that demonstrate this

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government was my commitment to allow people in the health service

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to promote their concerns without fear. Can I ask out the Scottish

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Government will ensure all sectors of sport are equipped to handle our

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Jack arrest by participants and spectators? We want everyone to have

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access to the best possible care as quickly as possible. A substantial

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investment in heart disease services has reduced problems. We are

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investing ?100,000 to increase the number of public access to the

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further delay to is across Scotland which will benefit sports

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participants as well as the wider community. I thank him for his

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answer. A campaign aims to have one defibrillator at each of the 300

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golf course clubs by 2014. In this exciting year for golf in Scotland

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will the government worked with the campaign to persuade every golf club

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in Scotland to install such a device? The minister for

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Commonwealth Games and sport and I are meeting Bernard Gallacher to

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discuss this campaign. Bernard's own recent experience has highlighted

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the life-saving potential of public access to defibrillation and I look

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forward to learning more about the campaign. I welcome that someone

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would use this to bring forward real benefits to the people of Scotland.

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There we have it. Coming to the close of questions for the First

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Minister. At the beginning, of course, as expected, the issue of

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Standard Life predominant in the questions. The First Minister

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responding robust play as one would questions. The First Minister

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expect. Now I will hand you over to the Daily Politics.

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low income and all kinds of poor outcomes for children. Low

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educational attainment, poor health, low self-worth and so on. The real

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problem at the moment is that poorer families are facing ?22 billion of

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tax cuts and benefits cuts. 60% of those are hitting working and low

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income families. So now they cannot make those ends meet and it shows in

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the statistics. 60% of poor children

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