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Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your essential

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guide to the day's campaigning across the UK.

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Roll-up, roll-up for a Brexit referendum sequel.

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An upbeat vibe as the Liberal Democrats launch their manifesto

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in the last hour, saying it's logical to have a second vote

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But critics say hang on, that's a do over.

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What a difference a day makes for Labour.

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Yesterday Len McCluskey of Unite said Labour were dead ducks

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But today he says no, Labour will be soaring eagles on June 8th.

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We will clear everything up, fear not. After June if you are

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re-elected, we used to be next-door neighbours?

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Philip Hammond and Theresa May had some awkward moments

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at a press conference today, but the pair have dismissed rumours

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How do you deal with a problem like Boris? He has not been seen too much

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on the campaign trail. But he has been out and about in Bristol. A

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campaign asset or a ticking time bomb? What about you?

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And we speak to the human and animal residents of Dumfries and Galloway

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to find out whether Scottish independence would be a deciding

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We will be getting the pet theories of our panel,

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Stephen Bush from the New Statesman, and the Sun on Sunday's

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Let's catch up on the latest developments from the campaign trail

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The Liberal Democrats have launched their party

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Leader Tim Farron called on voters to support his party and ensure

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they get a choice about Britain's future relationship with Europe.

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I believe that our children will have a brighter future

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That they will be safer and better off.

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That our economy will be stronger and our country will have more

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But just because I believe that doesn't mean I think people

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One of Jeremy Corbyn's key allies, the Unite leader Len McCluskey,

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says he is now full of optimism about Labour's general election

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hopes despite saying in an interview he could not see the party winning.

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It was against the backdrop of if the opinion polls are to be believed

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that I made those comments. Of course since then Labour have

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launched their manifesto, it is a fantastic manifesto.

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Theresa May has brushed aside questions about whether

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the Chancellor Philip Hammond will keep his job if

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The Green Party of England and Wales is promising free sanitary products

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And the Pirate Party launches its manifesto with a photo

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It describes itself as a civil liberties party and has fielded ten

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candidates and will be campaigning for copyright reform, opposing

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surveillance and fighting for a free and open Internet.

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We are trying to retain a lot of rights, especially human rights,

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that those before us have enjoyed and it is more a protectionist star,

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but we would like to see human rights expanded in general.

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The Scottish Labour Party has suspended all nine members

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of the Labour group in Aberdeen for breaching party rules.

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It comes after Labour joined forces with the Conservatives

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and independents to form a coalition to run the City Council.

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This isn't about positions or gold medals around

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the necks of councillors, this is about the job Labour

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councillors are elected to do to protect public services,

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to invest in and defend public services.

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The deal coming from Aberdeen didn't pass that test,

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that is why it was rejected by the democratic body

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of the Labour Party and that is why that must be respected and why

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we have moved to suspend these councillors.

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Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron wants to give power back

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That's what he said at the launch of the party's

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It's really obvious when you think about it.

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Someone is going to have the final say over the Brexit deal.

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It could be the politicians or it could be the people.

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You should have the final say on whether Theresa May's Brexit deal

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is right for you and your family in a referendum.

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And if you don't like that deal, you should have the choice to remain

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With me are our guests David Wooding and Stephen Bush

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and in a moment we'll talk to them about the manifesto in a bit

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more detail, but first the Liberal Democrats have promised

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to help young people get on the housing ladder

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The BBC's Chris Morris has been giving the figures a Reality Check.

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The biggest revenue raising proposal is to add 1p to income

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They estimate it will raise ?6.3 billion per year,

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money they would spend exclusively on the NHS, care services

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Then they want to reverse cuts in corporation tax,

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not by nearly as much as Labour proposed yesterday, but back up

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to 20% raising, they say, ?3.6 billion annually.

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There is also an eye-catching proposal to legalise

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The Lib Dems say this will raise another 1 billion per year.

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Overall this is a manifesto that will cost the country more.

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By 2020 the Liberal Democrats would spend 14.1 billion more

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in new day-to-day spending than they would raise in taxes.

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That would mean a small rise in the budget deficit

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But if you strip out the money going into longer-term investments

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in things like hospitals and roads, they say they would

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And they want to launch a package of infrastructure

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investment worth ?100 billion, including plans to build

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But the big thing in this manifesto, it's something that

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sets the Lib Dems apart from the Conservatives and Labour,

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is they want to hold another referendum on Brexit.

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This time the vote wouldn't just be in or out, it would be

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about whether to accept the terms of the deal on offer from the EU

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at the end of the Brexit negotiations in 2019.

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They will also put the option of staying in the EU

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Over the course of the next parliament the biggest factor

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in determining the health of the British economy

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and spending will be the outcome of the Brexit negotiations.

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The Lib Dems say they oppose a hard Brexit.

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There will be a vote on Parliament on the proposed deal,

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but in this manifesto Liberal Democrats argue

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it is the British people who should have the final say.

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Some are suggesting the Liberal Democrats have as much chance of

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winning the next election as Liverpool have of winning the

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Champions League. But there are some eye-catching pledges in this

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manifesto, not least the possibility that the British public would have

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the opportunity for a final say on Brexit. Actually, to turn away from

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Brexit, if the final deal is not good enough. The only unique selling

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point of the Lib Dems is they are going to be the campaign for the

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die-hard remainders. They are the only party who will offer you an in

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and out referendum marked two. The problem with that is that the Lib

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Dems are extremely unlikely to get into power and deliver that and

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people have to weigh that up against what is being dubbed by the

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Conservatives as a coalition of chaos between the SNP and the Labour

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Party. But also I think more than half the people would vote to leave

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the EU now if they were given a second referendum. A lot of those

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who voted to remain did so because of project fear and now they have

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seen the sky has not fallen in and they would probably vote to leave

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anyway. I am not sure how well being the remain party in this general

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election will work. Stephen, they got into a lot of hot water over the

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decision to back tuition fees after pledging not to in their 2010

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manifesto. Now they are going after younger voters, helping young people

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get on the housing ladder, they want to legalise cannabis. They want to

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push a few things that will attract younger people, but is it going to

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work? Is the toxicity of the whole tuition fee issue one that is too

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much? That is the big question. We thought from the Richmond

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by-election and the Whitney by-election that people had forgiven

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them for the things they did not like about the comic coalition, but

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now we are looking at the local elections and the polls and it seems

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people are not perhaps ready to give the Lib Dems a second go. But we are

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not too sure and it is difficult to say one way or another.

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Now the Unite leader Len McCluskey insists he is "now full of optimism"

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about Labour's general election hopes despite saying in an interview

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The union boss had told Politico a Labour victory would be

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"extraordinary" and suggested winning just 200 seats would be

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The interview I did with Politico was a conversational piece

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and it was against the backdrop of if the opinion polls are to be

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Of course since then Labour have launched their manifesto,

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it is a fantastic manifesto, a manifesto for workers,

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ordinary working people, a manifesto that will change Britain

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for the good and the response that we have had from Unite members

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That is why I was checking our polls that we did, constant rolling polls,

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and the response has been like something we have

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If I was having an interview today, I wouldn't be making those comments.

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Now one of the most interesting places to watch on General Election

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night could be Dewsbury in West Yorkshire.

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It's also one of the most unusual constituencies,

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taking in rural villages and the very diverse areas around

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The seat has changed hands several times over the past ten years

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flip-flopping between Labour and the Conservatives.

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There can be few constituencies more diverse than this one.

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On the outskirts of Dewsbury town centre is the largely Muslim

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I just tend to think they probably do more for the working class.

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I am thinking of voting for Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn.

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I would just kind of like that whoever is interested in a family

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But even those who do not feel passionately about the politics

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certainly feel passionately about the issues.

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Education is one thing I am concerned about,

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It is the local issues that are important, the fact the health

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service is changing, the fact we are losing a hospital,

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the fact we may lose a library in the area,

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the fact they are wanting to build on what is

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But yet you want to stick with a Conservative government?

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I am not quite sure what the difference would be

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I also feel very strongly about the north - south divide.

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I think there needs to be much more realisation that we exist up here.

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Of course although many of these women might be voting Conservative,

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the village they live in does have plenty of Labour supporters.

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It seems this constituency really could go either way.

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Here is the full list of candidates standing in that constituency.

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Let's take the pulse of the Labour Party. Len McCluskey, yesterday he

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said they would be rubbish in the election, 200 seats would be seen as

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a victory, that is losing more than 30. Today he says they could win.

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What is going on? It is the usual Len McCluskey dance. Don't forget

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that Trade Union Bill Eden is our elected politicians who need to

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balance their own voting interests. He came very close to being defeated

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by a candidate who did not have much time for Jeremy Corbyn so is trying

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to have his cake and eat it. He is saying things are not good, hinting

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by saying 200 seats, if Jeremy can't get that he might be out. Today he

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is giving something to his left by saying the manifesto is great. Len

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is a politician, he is acting like any politician would. Dave, that is

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a hostage to fortune? It is a bit of managing

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expectations. They always go below what they think it might be so that

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when they get more it looks good. If he does under 200 seats, it is even

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worse for them. Stephen, do you believe that the clear plan now,

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barring a wipe-out, is for Jeremy Corbyn to stay on? Yes, the

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leadership... No question about it? There is no doubt in my mind. Some

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believe they can turn it around and go on to win, but you do not give up

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the keys to the castle willingly is they're lying. But people are

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underestimating Lent when he thinks that Labour will get 200. I would be

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very worried if I was in the leader's office and I was seeing Len

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McCluskey say, you have got to get 200 to be a success. I do not

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believe for a moment Len McCluskey believes they are on course to get

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200 seats, so I think Jeremy Corbyn will find it harder to stay leader.

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So the unions are the power brokers. If Len McCluskey says, sorry,

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Jeremy, that is it? Do not forget that Len McCluskey is from the same

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hard left wing of the party as Jeremy Corbyn and he has been even

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described as his puppet master. He is a big backer and so if he loses

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Len McCluskey, then the sound will be shifting from underneath his

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feet. OK, let's move on. Meanwhile, on the eve of the launch

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of the Conservative party manifesto, the chancellor Philip Hammond has

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sought to play down reports of a rift with Theresa May

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and her team of advisers. He dismissd it as "media

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tittle tattle". Look, we work very closely together.

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The Prime Minister and I have known each other for many years. We work

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closely together, she has got an extremely strong team around town

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and I work very closely with her team and some of them are people I

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have known for many years. We do work very well together as a team.

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There is all this media to do that and it is just that, media tittle

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tattle. Sharp analysis. Noted all tattle on the election wrap.

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Noted all tattle on the election wrap.

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Now we've not really seen or heard much from the Foreign Secretary this

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week but there's been criticism of Boris Johnson after

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an uncomfortable election campaign stop in Bristol.

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He was taken to task for talking about boosting sales of alcohol

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Members of the community were also unhappy with other aspects

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But Mr Johnson has since apologised for the unfortunate incident.

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I think if I remember correctly, she said she had some personal

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experience of alcohol abuse within her family. I said I was sorry to

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hear about that will stop that was the issue.

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This is not the first time that Boris Johnson has done or said

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something that has caused controversy or embarrassment.

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Let's remind ourselves of some of his greatest hits...and misses.

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Here's the then Mayor of London hanging around

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near the Olympic Park in East London.

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Don't think he made the team though - not sure of his

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Another team he won't be making is the British Lions -

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here is on a trade visit to Japan - talk about picking on someone

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And credited with winning the Brexit vote by many,

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here he is milking it at an cattle auctioneers in Lancashire.

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David, are they hiding Boris? Well, this campaign has been completely

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dominated by Theresa May. They are hiding the party! Yes, but Boris is

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high risk, but he is also box office. You put Boris out there and

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he attracts a crowd. He is probably the biggest crowd puller of any of

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the Cabinet. Getting him out there, they like him. Even traditional

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Labour voters like him. They are prepared to forgive him for the

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gaffes. But he is a risk. Some are suggesting he is a risk. The flip

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side for Labour is that they are all too happy to talk about the party

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and not about Jeremy Corbyn. If you have got a popular leader, you put

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them out front, if not you talk about your brand. Boris is a bit of

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an appendix. An appendage. No, an appendix. He should be cut out?

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David Cameron could not reach out to the country and Theresa May is

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hugely popular, which means what is the point Boris Johnson in an

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election campaign when you have got a Conservative leader who a great

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number of people seem to like great deal. How are Philip Hammond and

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Theresa May getting on? The suggestion is it is not very good. I

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have been involved in this tittle tattle over the last few years. You

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have to stop it. It is no secret they do not really see eye to eye.

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He lives next door and he does not get into the half past eight Downing

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St meetings which George Osborne used to go into when David Cameron

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was Prime Minister. He says he is happy with that and he has got a

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direct line to the Prime Minister. But there has been some friction

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over things he has said about the economy, he wants more wriggle room

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in the economy, and there have been arguments over taxation policy. This

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little slip, you talk about Boris making a gaffe, but Philip Hammond

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made a gaffe by saying sometimes he is reduced to swearing when he is

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dealing with him and tittle tattle was the case when Len McCluskey was

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hosing down his own outspoken gaffe. Is it because they do not see eye to

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eye philosophically about the way to Reza make this taking the party,

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perhaps a little bit more interventionist, a bigger role of

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the state, cutting back on private enterprise? That kind of classic

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Tory thing, or is it also to do with Brexit, that Philip Hammond is not

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pushing in any way for any kind of hard Brexit. And Theresa May say

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that is the way forward? It is both. The role of the Treasury and the

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government is in many ways the weakest it has been under Theresa

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May and it is partly about that institutional friction as well.

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Eddie Price is continuing her tour of the UK with lots of balls,

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speaking to voters about what really matters to them. She asked people in

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the SNP held constituency of De Vries and Galloway if the issue of

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Scottish independence is a crucial issue for them in the forthcoming

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general election, with some interesting results. Dashed

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Dumfries. I am proud to be Scottish. I am very proud to be British and I

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am very proud to be European and you can't have all of them. What about

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you? School, educating, NHS, things like that. Not independence? No. I

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am a staunch campaigner for the union and I will be voting

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Conservative to remain as part of that. Why yes? I am voting

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independence and I have always voted yes. The election, if it included a

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yes or no vote for independence, I would vote that way. It is not about

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independence for me. What is it about? Who would be best running

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this country. I have believed in independence all my life, so I will

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not vote for anyone else except SNP. I do not want independence, I do not

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think anyone in Scotland should either.

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Dumfries and Galloway, make some noise. Thank you very much. Would

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you like one? Oh! Nicola Sturgeon is just hell-bent on independence. You

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want to bow to make sure she cannot have that? Yes. What is the most

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important issue in this election? It would be Brexit. Scottish

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independence is not a burning issue? Definitely not. What is? Helping the

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working class. I think this must be the first in our history, I verified

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dead heat in the mood box. Thank you, Dumfries and Galloway and thank

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you Robbie Burns. Ellie and her balls. There are

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several other different kinds of chocolate bars that you can get from

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all kinds of confectioners. A little bit of a health warning. Anyway...

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This is a crucial issue for the Scottish Nationalists because the

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whole idea of a second independence referendum, if that plays against

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them, they are in trouble. Yes and the Conservatives are unusually

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making big gains in the polls in Scotland and there are suggestions

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they could win five or more seats up there. If that happens, that will

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give more strength to Theresa May's hands to say you will not have

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another referendum on independence. But like the Lib Dems were remain is

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a big selling point for them, just most people voted to leave, so how

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good a unique selling point is it in the same weight for the SNP,

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independence. Most people just voted independence. Most people just voted

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is playing to just half of the is playing to just half of the

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Scotland, rather than looking at the looking at the record of the SNP

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Scotland, rather than looking at the slightly higher issues some would

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argue of the referendum and the role of Westminster in Scottish politics?

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I think why they won in 2011. They are quite

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good at running Scotland. But they have been NPower for a decade. Think

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about how Labour looked when Tony Blair had been in power. We kind of

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expect the SNP to be a bit mouldy. They are doing quite well for a

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government that has been in that long. But it is still not as good as

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they would ideally like. It looks like a straight fight between the

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Conservatives. It is difficult for them. We will leave it there. It is

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good to see you. I am sure we will be seeing you over the next three

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weeks. We will be back with more from the campaign trail tomorrow at

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7:30pm. Goodbye. Time for the latest weather update.

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You wait weeks for a proper rain to come and you get lots of

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