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Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your essential

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guide to today's campaigning, right across the UK...

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Theresa May puts her best foot forward at a factory in Bolton,

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after unveiling her party's manifesto across the Pennines.

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How do you feel it went Prime Minister?

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The stage is set for the first televised leaders' debate

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of the campaign tonight in Salford - but the two biggest

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beasts in the political jungle are staying away.

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Will voters care about the noticeable absentees?

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If the campaign hasn't been enough of a roller-coaster for you so far -

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there's the offer of cut-price entry to the rides at Thorpe Park

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for young voters who register by Monday's deadline.

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Does it matter to you whether your local MP is one

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Where you are interested in politics when you were 16? No, just boys!

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And should 16 year olds get the vote?

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We ask shoppers in Carlisle to pop a ball into our general election

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So lots to talk about with our panel...

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The political journalist, Martha Gill, and George Eaton

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Let's catch up on the latest developments

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Theresa May has laid out her vision to tackle the "great challenges"

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facing the UK - including Brexit, the economy and an ageing society.

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The Conservative party's manifesto includes proposals to change the way

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social care in England is funded, and to withdraw winter fuel payments

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Mrs May outlined her policies on social care

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The government that I lead would build a Briton in which the economy

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is strong. To support world-class public services. With the most

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ambitious programme of investment in technology and buildings that the

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NHS has ever seen. Record and fair funding for schools. Real technical

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education for young people. And, the first-ever proper plan to pay for

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and provide social care. Strong public services do not just provide

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security and enhance opportunity. They are vital institutions that

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bring us all together. Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will be absent as

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Britain's political leaders take part in a prime-time TV debate this

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evening. The ITV event will see

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Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, Ukip's Paul Nuttall and the SNP's

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Nicola Sturgeon lock horns. Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood and Green

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co-leader Caroline Lucas will also take part in the two-hour show

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being broadcast from Salford at 8pm. The Prime Minister has refused

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to take part in TV debates and the Labour leader said

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he would not participate A TV debate must include the Prime

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Minister, the leader of the Conservative Party. That would be a

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proper debate. I made the offer, many times, since the day the

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election was called. The Prime Minister said in the last Prime

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Minister's Questions time, this is the end of the debate, now it is the

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election campaign. There has to be a debate with the leader's of the

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party. I'm proud of the Labour Party and the manifesto for the many and

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not the few. She should come along and have a discussion.

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Alex Salmond spreads the love - the former SNP leader has been out

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glad-handing supporters in Edinburgh.

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And it turns out reporters as well. Listen to this exchange with the

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BBC's Catreena Renton. Hello! Are you well? I'm very good. It feels

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like a long time since I've seen you! I know, I've been missing you!

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The Christian Peoples Alliance has launched

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Among their policies are a grant of 10,000 pounds

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to first-time married couples, and a further 5,000 pounds

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But leader Sid Cordle says their flagship policy

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Because we, as Christians, are running food banks, we understand

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why people are going and what policies we need to stop it. We want

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people on disability benefits to not have it taken off them unless they

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have an alternative source of income. We want people who apply for

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benefits, the day that they apply, to get benefits. At the moment

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people have two weights and weeks and we want everyone who is sleeping

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homeless to have a shot at ago too. We will have free night shelters for

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all people as long as they are not on drink and drugs -- to have a

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shelter to go to. So Theresa May has launched

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the Conservative manifesto, with a promise to be "upfront

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and straight" about There are measures to bring down

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immigration, as well as proposals to increase charges for companies

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who hire workers Let's take a look in more

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detail at the figures, Chris Morris and the BBC's

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Reality Check team have been taking a look at some

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of the all-important numbers behind After weeks of hearing about strong

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and stable leadership, we finally have some details to look out.

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Unlike Labour and the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives haven't

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so far released overall costings in a single table. We are working on

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those. But there are some headline numbers. The Tories say they will

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balance the budget by 2020 to five -- 2025 and will increase NHS

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spending by a minimum of ?8 billion over the next five years. Let's look

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at it few more specific policies. Social care changes that we have

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heard about will mean tens of thousands of more families have to

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pay for social care at home. But everyone drove retain at least

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?100,000 of their savings and assets, including value in the

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family home. It is a policy designed to take account of the fact that we

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are living longer. The Conservatives want to raise money by means testing

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the winter fuel allowance. Ensuring payments only go to the least

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wealthy pensioners. This scheme costs about ?3 billion per year at

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the moment. Means testing could save about half of that. One revenue

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raising measure that Labour and the Liberal Democrats have promised is

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an income in -- is an increase in income tax but not the Tories. In

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this manifesto while there is not an absolute promise in increasing

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insurance and so on, there is a modest set of proposals which

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probably will not require terribly much in the way of tax increases. A

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big Conservative promise in the camera in years was the triple lock

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on pensions. Under which the state pension rises by the rate of

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inflation, average earnings, or 2.5%, which ever is highest. Theresa

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May wants to scrap it, losing the 2.5% guarantee. That would give the

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government more flexibility but it is impossible to say how much money

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it could save. Moving to education, the Conservatives want to boost

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school funding by ?4 billion in the next Parliament. One of the ways

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they plan on raising that money is scrapping universal free school

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lunches for infants. Replacing them with much cheaper free school

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breakfasts in primary schools. Again, the manifesto contains no

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precise costing for this. Immigration policy looms large in

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Conservative plans. They plan to double from ?1000 to ?2000, the

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amount that companies have few paid to import highly skilled workers

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from outside of the EU. We don't really know how much it could raise.

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The Conservatives have reaffirmed their target of cutting overall net

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migration to less than 100,000 per year. But, there will be a cost

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involved. The independent Office for Budget Responsibility has estimated

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it could cost ?5.9 billion to cut annual net migration from about

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273,000 now, to 185000 by 20 21. That is because of things like a

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lower tax take a higher proportion of nonworking people in the overall

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population. That is still a long way short of the ?100,000 target. -- the

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100,000 target. It will be taken into account in the debate to come

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and the emphasis is that this is an election taking place in the shadow

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of the looming Brexit negotiations. The negotiations we are about to

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begin with the EU will not be easy. They will be challenging and at

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times, they will be tough. In Theresa May, Britain has a Prime

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Minister with the strength to lead Britain through these negotiations,

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and make a success of the future. But the outcome of those

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negotiations over the next smack years is deeply uncertain. The

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manifesto reasserts that no deal with the EU is better than a bad

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deal -- the next two years. So EU negotiations will probably do more

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than anything else in the next Parliament to determine the health

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of the British economy and the chance for any political party to

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put their promises into practice. Well Martha and George -

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what are your first thoughts This manifesto seems to be a massive

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display of confidence by Theresa May, with a big lead in the polls,

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she knows the right wing papers like the Daily Mail are really on her

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side. They will back her no matter how policies. What she has been able

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to do is risk her core voters, the pensioners and people who want older

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voters, by scrapping fuel payments, and by taking money away from

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people's Estates to pay for social care. She is now reaching out to

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other voters on the margins, both on the right, who want to control

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immigration. And also on the left. George, how did you see it? What

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struck me was that this is the most interventionist Conservative

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manifesto we have seen in decades. Theresa May isn't seeking to

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overturn the Thatcherite settlement in the way that Labour's manifesto

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promised but she is taking a far more sceptical view of the markets

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and a less hostile view of the state in any Conservative leader since the

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1970s. The energy price cap, representation on company boards, a

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new generation on council homes, borrowing for investment homes, it's

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a sharp break from recent Conservative traditions. And it

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struck me, the front cover of the manifesto. In 2015 it was the

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Conservatives, this time it is the Conservative and Unionist party.

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That is their fault title, which Mrs May emphasised when she became Prime

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Minister, and is a helping hand to Ruth Davidson, currently presiding

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over a big Tory revival there. And what do

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the general public think on that proposed big change in social care

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funding? We dropped into a day centre

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in Suffolk, which is a popular meeting place for the over 60s,

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who stop by for a chat over coffee and biscuits to see what they think

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of the Conservatives plans. People who have worked all of their

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lives are struggling. They are struggling more than ever. A lot of

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people have had to dig into their savings in order to survive and pay

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the bills. I cannot understand why all of these financial boffins at

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the top cannot get it right! We paying a fortune abroad? Why did we

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support the NHS and those in dire straits here who fought the country

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-- who fought for the country? I've worked hard and I want to leave

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something for my grandchildren and my children. I have four children

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and I would love to do some thing for them. The

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social care funding, how big a political risk are the Conservatives

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taking here, do you think? The biggest risk would have been doing

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nothing. Every analyst, every MP, perhaps only in private, agrees if

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you do nothing you are heading for an almighty crisis. And the only way

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to improve social care is to raise more money from voters. The

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Conservatives are giving, in one respect, now you will no longer have

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to pay any more after you are down to your last 100,000, after 23,000,

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but they take with the other hand in that home owners and those who have

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received care in their home will have to pay potentially a lot more.

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They are means testing winter fuel payments quite aggressively. It

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isn't a big political risk. They have a big lead in the polls,

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especially among the over 65 's. It will be interesting to see if it is

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dented at all, given that Labour is looking to maintain the double lock

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-- the triple lock. If Labour cannot pick up more pensioners now, when

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can they? Who are the winners and losers in that measure? In the

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social care chain? It is people who have decided to pour all of their

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money into homeowning, with the hope of handing it on to their kids. Now,

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they are going to see that depleted to fund their care. Before, it hit a

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point where once you have run through all of your cash, where you

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get free social care, now it is going to kick in and cut into your

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home as well. And a question that we posed a moment ago, when we all come

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to vote for our potential MPs, does it matter on their gender? Mrs May

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is our second female Prime Minister, many women in high profile positions

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in other parties. In this election, there

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are more women running Overall, about 30% of

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candidates are women - up from the previous record

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of 26% in 2015. After the last election, women

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made up 30% of MPs in the Commons. The Labour Party, Lib Dems

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and the SNP all approve. The Conservatives say

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they don't see the need. The Women's Equality Party have been

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telling us why they think female representation in the Commons

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still has a way to go to achieve Some of the old parties, there are

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senior people in those parties who grew up when there was no sex

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discrimination act or no equal pay act, and think, what are you

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complaining about? We passed those laws, or say you don't know, you

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weren't born. Many of us have grown up where there were those acts, and

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we expect to be treated differently. In many respects we still are not

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and we want a parliament but represents us properly. How much

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does it matter to voters, Martha? I'm not sure. I think that voters

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are, sort of, riled up if they see that there is inequality within a

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party, and they feel misrepresented. But within a constituency, I do not

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think voters will particularly mind if they are voting for a man or a

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woman, it depends on the individual's representation. --

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reputation. And then you might have those. Violi method that is shown to

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reliably improve representation is all women short lists. The

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Conservative retorts, and Theresa May enjoys teasing. They have had

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two female leaders. They have had acting with Harriet Harmon, for

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Labour. But it is hard for the Conservatives, I think. If they're

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female representation does not improve, I think there will be

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questions. Theresa May, why aren't you looking at an all women short

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list in a moderate form? Many of the leaders

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will be sparring tonight as the leaders debate programme -

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being broadcast on ITV - But, there are two

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notable exceptions. In the blue corner, Theresa May has

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refused to debate live on TV And in the red corner,

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Jeremy Corbyn says he won't be there Now a lot is made of the adversarial

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nature of politics, particularly if you watch

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Prime Minister's So we thought we'd take it a step

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further, and get four candidates to slug it out in the ring,

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and fight for their own policies. Noel Phillips asked a couple

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of voters if they landed In the red corner, hoping to land a

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punch for his party is the former Labour MP and government minister

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Jim Fitzpatrick. For Ukip, it is Daniel Wolfe, on a

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mission to prove that his party is still an electoral force.

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In the blue corner, Shaun Bailey, a former Downing Street adviser to

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David Cameron. And on a campaign to overturn the

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status quo for the Liberal Democrats, it is Keith Angus.

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BELL Theresa May is calling the election

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to gain more power and bring Brexit through but she is a remain MP. She

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said she was and you cannot change this for political gain. If she

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wants to give people a say, why when she and the Brexit deal? She gave

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them a say in the referendum and she knows what they voted for. She is

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going for a hard and divisive Brexit. Most people say that the

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referendum was last year, they want to know... Why has ?3 billion being

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wiped off the education budget? Why is the health service on its needs?

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Why have we lost so many police officers? If you want to get

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people... You want doctors and nurses in the NHS, if you want to

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train home-grown talent, welcome them from the EU instead of telling

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them that they are not welcome. Recruitment is at a crisis in the

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NHS because EU workers will not come here now. Why is that? Are you proud

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of that? Seven years you've been in power. Seven years! And the health

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service is in crisis in every single year since you have been in power.

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The last Labour government left to power, you left a note telling the

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country that you spent all of their money. You are punching harder, pack

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it in. None of what you are saying, you, Ukip, or the Liberal

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Democrats... Your industrial policy are fantasy figures that will drive

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us into the ground and it does not matter what you want, you cannot pay

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for it if you don't run the economy well. Time is up! The candidates

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have had their say, but it is about the voters like Natalie and is male,

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who are yet to make up their minds. It was interesting to hear their

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opinions. Seeing them in the ring individually fighting for their own

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policies and what they believe them, and what they think they can bring

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to the party, and why I should vote for them, it made it more

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accessible. It was certainly different! Let's

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talk about that debate. In Salford it has two notable absentees. How

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strange is it going to be, Martha? It will be odd with empty podiums.

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Without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. But, I think it is a wise

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decision by both Jeremy and Teresa. If you have ever seen PMQs, Prime

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Minister's Questions times, neither of them can think on their feet. It

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looks like... They have the structure but when you look at what

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they say there is no content. I think that neither of them do

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particularly well in debate. But, you know, that is what the voters

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want to see. That is what Theresa May has been criticised for on the

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campaign trail. She met one voter on the Trail and it went very badly.

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She certainly will get some flak on this but I doubt it is going to

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cause a dent in her polling. Because Jeremy Corbyn is in a more

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vulnerable position and has criticised Theresa May for not

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debating, he will probably get a bit more damage. We will see five people

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behind the podium, and not two others. What do you make of it? They

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need a good night. For a long time journalists said the error of two

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party politics is over. An opinion poll gives a combined vote share

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over 83% for Labour and the Conservatives.

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Ukip down that 2%, Lib Dems on 7%, the SNP are strong in Scotland but

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are in danger of losing seats to the Conservatives.

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It interesting that they can capture the imaginations of voters. They are

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all squeezed by the big two. They will not be tonight. We will keep an

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eye on that. It's not just the Conservatives who

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have launched their manifesto today. The Yorkshire Party have been

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launching theirs - in Wakefield. The party is calling for greater

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powers for Yorkshire. And a halt to the high-speed rail

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line, HS2 and their leader, Stewart Arnold thinks they could be

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the local alternative There is obviously something going

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on here. I like to think that we are part of the process of putting

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pressure on them. Let's see. I'm hopeful that we can make a

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breakthrough. Up to the North West of England now

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and there is one issue which has dominated the agenda for the last

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couple of years - fracking. Annabel Tiffin has spent

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the afternoon in Lytham St Annes finding out if fracking is a big

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election issue. Fracking, is that a big one for you?

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It does not matter to you. I think it is a good idea. Really? How would

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it influence, would it influence, how you vote? It won't influence me,

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I'm not going to vote. We all need this energy from somewhere, don't

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we? Ladies, hello. Sorry to interrupt, I know you are having

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your ice creams. Will this possibly influence your voting? Possibly. I

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don't really mind. The people do not want the fracking. The council don't

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want it. They've been to court and they just overall does and said it

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does not matter. We will carry on anyway. I think people will vote

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against the Conservatives in this instance because they are

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pro-fracking and are not listening. For a list of all of the candidates

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in your constituency, go to the website.

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Will we see different areas doing different things? You have different

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voting patterns but at the moment, the Conservatives are doing

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remarkably well everywhere. I think part of the problem for those with a

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regional agenda is that issue of Brexit, that is the defining one bit

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is edged out somewhat by the NHS. There is the argument that Theresa

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May will say put your country first, and I think it appeals to a more

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national view rather than a regional view. I think it will be quite hard

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for the smaller parties to achieve cuts in this election. Is it right,

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we would see too much of that? The Tories like to believe that people

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don't care so much about local issues. They ran the local election

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campaign a national one. Theresa May at the forefront and the Brexit

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message at the forefront, Labour like to believe it is local issues

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that matter and not the leadership. They are not doing very well at the

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moment. The Lib Dems have not really decided whether they are running a

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national anti-Brexit campaign or a local one. I think that they are

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muddled and that is where they are going wrong. She is not only the

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voice of the balls. Ali Price has been taking her election road show

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on a tour of the UK, asking voters to put one in the box to register

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their views. She has been asking people in Carlisle if the voting age

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should be reduced to 16? When I was 16, I knew that I wanted

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to vote, and why. Because old people are going to die. Do you think

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16-year-olds should have the vote? No, I don't. Why not? I don't know,

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when I was 16 I was not mature enough to do anything. You are

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knowledgeable enough at that age to know what is going on and have a say

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around the country and the world. I think it is fair. 18, how come? I've

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a 12-year-old daughter and I find it hard to imagine by the age of 16 she

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will be ready to make a decision like that! I'm from Scotland, I did

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polling there Q times and a lot of the younger ones are coming in with

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their parents now. It is encouraging to see younger ones and coming in

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voting. Where you interested in politics

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when you are 16? No, just boys! If they are allowed to do a lot of

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other things at the age of 16, why not vote? They are eligible to get

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married... We went to Gretna Green, actually! I think they mature a lot

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between the ages of 16 and 18, a lot. And between 18 and 21 even

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more! That is when you got the vote? Yes. Do 16-year-olds eat a lot of

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cheese? Yes, it is surprising what children do eat! Do you think that

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16-year-olds should have the vote? No. We shopped around for people's

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opinions here in the market, and it seems that if you are 16 going on 17

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and wanting a say in the general election, tough. People here think

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you need to be 18 to have the vote. Thank you Carlisle!

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Ali Price there. Their recent time for me to ask you what you were both

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like at the age of 16! Thanks very much to George Eaton and Martha

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Gill, that's it from the Election Wrap. More from the campaign trail

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again tomorrow night at 7:30pm. We have had some outbreaks of rain

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around today, but they have been pretty hit and miss with some areas

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seeing longer spells of sunshine. Now we have low pressure that has

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been moving in from the south. Bursts of rain in

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