Episode 7 The Nolan Show

The Prime Minister wants it, it's already planned for Scotland,

England and Wales, so is Northern Ireland going to have gay marriage

too? Sinn Fein wants a referendum on

whether we have a united Ireland. 5th you make me feel like my son is

something I should be ashamed of or shoes should be cast out.

Sinn Fein won so refer later -- referendum on whether we have a

united Ireland. DUP tells Sinn Fein, be careful what you wish for. Is

the main Unionist party about to press the button on a border poll?

And he's the singing sensation that's making country cool again,

Nathan Carter will be performing live in this studio tonight.

He picks out her partner by taking her hand, steps out on the

Hello there, how are you doing? Will come along. I know you at home

will want to get involved in this programme tonight. There's so much

to talk about, here's how you can So, gay marriage is likely

everywhere else in the UK but here in Northern Ireland the DUP says no.

David Cameron wants to introduce gay marriage to England and Wales

before the next general election, although the Prime Minister is

facing opposition from within his own party. I am in favour of gay

marriage because I am a massive support of marriage and I don't

want gay people to be excluded from a great institution.

Last October Assembly members here rejected a proposal to allow same-

sex couples to marry. In order to get a sense of some of the issues

involved, I invited some people to dinner. Take a look at this. I am

the mother of a gay person, a son that I love very much and I hope to

soften people's outlook on gay people. I helped Raine Presbyterian

ministers and from tonight I hope to present a conservative Christian

point of view that also is open, his gracious and is laughing.

and I have been living with my partner for four years and I am the

director of the Rainbow Project. am a Baptist pastor. I believe in

what the Bible says about marriage and should be between Amman and a

woman. Welcome it took a dinner. Good to see you. I want to try and

delve into what we really think here in Northern Ireland. As a

minister, I have to go with God's word. That is simply because it

works. Do you believe in religious freedoms for religions? Then why do

why have to live by your religious morals? Just before you answer, can

I add very simply, you were telling us what God says should be in

marriage. Court told us not to judge, what happens to that?

don't have to follow any one religious group, Christians have

these values because fortunately or unfortunately, whether you like it

or not, we are in a Christian country. You make me feel that my

son is something I should be ashamed of, or that should be cast

doubt. He is an outcast from church, he is not allowed to go into a

church, more or less, you don't want him there, you would not marry

him there. I wish people would come into my church, I wish homosexuals

and murderers would come into my church. This is the problem, I

heard you say gay or murder, it rolls off the tongue. The

simplicity of use in that language, you may not be making a comparison

but many people have made that comparison without any

consideration to the damage it causes people in my community, the

damage it causes people of faith. You wonder why people don't come

into your church, it is because you they feel you view them as bad as

murderers. Don't ridicule his fate. He is following God's word. He is

taking direction from the Bible where he chooses. First of all, I

have never approached anybody with a pointed figure and said you're

going to help. You don't need to do that, that is what you're saying!

The Church has been the cause of heard too many people. In the LG BT

Community there is no question about that but I suppose I would

say sometimes you cannot have everything you want. How can they

have their relationship blessed by God if they are Christian, how can

they do it? To be consistent I would say they cannot enjoy God's

full blessing because of the nature of how we are created. The groups

that oppose it have no problem for people without faith to have civil

marriages or people who were are promiscuous or swingers or people

who have been married before, they are allowed to abuse and treat

marriage in whatever way they want. That is not true though. But they

are. But they are not! They are able to abuse marriage and form and

leave marriages as they choose within the law. In terms of the

state but not in terms of the Church. Do you have children?

daughters. What if one of those came in and told you she was a

lesbian. I would throw my arms around her and Hug her, if she said

that she wanted to enter contractual law, and as it --

covenanted relationship with a woman I would say, let us talk

about that. I cannot court marriage by letters talk about the

relationship you would cause. wouldn't marry her in your church?

I couldn't. Could you tell her that? Oh, yes. Of course. She would

understand as I am sure everybody would understand, the difference

between love that is utterly committed to the welfare of someone

and a recognition that you just cannot do something that you

believe is for that person's harm. It all comes down to the authority

that, first of all I have put myself under, it is the authority

of the Bible. If I say something different to what is in the Bible

then God is going to come looking for me. I still feel that a

mother's love is unconditional but a minister's is not. He will

baptise children in church but he will not stand by them, no matter

what they grow up. This world is changing and we have to change in

every other aspect so why not give a wee bit. Obviously a lot of you

at home have a view on this. You can see the numbers coming up on

your screen as to how to take part tonight. A lot of people in the

audience want to do so as well. We are being told by many politicians

across different parties that we want to Northern Ireland that is

tolerant of each other and we share and understand each other and you

are telling gay people, your party, no way can they get married, no

matter what the desirous of their dreams are. We want a tolerant and

inclusive society but there are no grounds to redefine a marriage.

Marriage is defined and has been in law as a union between man and a

woman there is no need to redefine marriage to have a tolerant society.

Other DUP not opposed to the gay marriage? They spoke out in terms

of a civil partnerships. They argued, was there any to redefine

marriage? There was no need to redefine marriage whatsoever. In

terms of equality and inclusion there is no need to redefine

marriage. Is the DUP now saying it is in favour? The DUP stand by his

position which is that they oppose civil partnerships. So you suppose

people having a civil partnership and you oppose people having

marriage. If you redefine marriage, a look at

what happens in other countries where they have redefined marriage

and changed the definition of marriage. You can no longer have a

husband and wife, they have to be redefined. They have to be termed

parties to marriage. In Brazil when they redefined marriage, people

came and said I want to partners and under this redefinition I want

to parties to myself, so they took three people into a marriage. Then

you can no longer have a mother and a father. This is an important

point. On the birth certificates in Spain, when they have redefined

marriage, there is no longer a mother and father on a birth

certificate, there is progenitor and progenitor be. I do what my

children answering the door and having someone asked if there

progenitor is in. John O'Doherty. Jonathan says he

wants a society that is equal but the DUP has actively opposed every

move towards equality towards us in the past. They opposed in Northern

Ireland and Westminster. They opposed goods, facilities and

services legislation. You voted against them in Westminster. That

is not true. You voted against them. You voted against these moves

towards equality. You don't believe LG BT people should be protected in

their jobs and you don't support civil partnerships. Civil

partnerships and equal manage -- marriage are not the same thing, if

they were they would be called the same thing. In Northern Ireland you

can't have a civil partnership in a faith then you according to the DUP.

The only part of the UK where that They are the biggest party in at

Northern Ireland. They have a massive line of support. If you

believe in democracy, every time they stand in front of the

electorate, they get the vote. Rights cannot be dictated by the

majority. We are talking about a can -- and a community there has

been continually discriminated against. When women were not seen

as equal, marriage was a very different think. It was about meant

being able to ensure the paternity of their children. Gay marriage was

never considered too discussed. want this to be a conversation, not

a monologue. Until of 30 years ago, LGBT people were criminalised

against. Let me take the issue of equality. Article 12 of the

European law says it is not that an issue of equality because all of

the rights in marriage but equally applicable in civil partnerships.

But you don't believe in civil partnerships. The second point is

it is a matter of human rights. This came before the United Nations.

It is a matter of taking marriage, at redefining it, disallowing

people to become a husband, this allowing people to become a wife.

This idea of how things will work are irrelevant. We have an

opportunity to define marriage the way we choose. We can choose to

have husbands and wives, mothers and fathers. Yes, so. At the back.

Jonathan, I don't know about you, by living Northern Ireland. As a

young gay man, I don't see why it I should not be allowed to marry

another man. I am speaking, OK? APPLAUSE I have witnessed

homophobia. But you and your party members, it is that people are

afraid to come out of their closet. Another thing, I'll DUP party for

all? Which, all but gays? You don't have to support homophobia or

bullying. It is not encouraged at all. Just because we don't accept

gay marriage, but that does not mean bullying. On that point, or

when the nor was being changed in the UK to decriminalise

homosexuality in Northern Ireland, the DUP submission N19 82, opposing

moves to make homosexuality legal, I have it here. One of the things

will party argued was this - the effect of the law as a restraint of

beasts reality, incest and rape will be further reduced. Does the

DUP still feel that is the position? I am not going down the

road of talking about bestiality of trying to be derogatory to anybody.

Was the DUP wrong to say homosexuality should be illegal?

Yes or no? Or do I am saying to you is marriages between a man and a

woman. The Democratic Unionist Party will not allow the law to

change in Northern Ireland. We have you have also support for that.

you're going to dock the question, 31 at years later? You will not

believe me to redefine marriage. I believe marriage is between a man

and a woman, children should have the right to a mother and my father.

We are known each other a while. When I ask a question, it is not

bullying because you do not like the question. APPLAUSE So, when the

leader of your party, Peter Robinson, says, he wants to include

everybody, has your party changed? 31 years later, does your party

stand over the statement that the effect of the law, in terms of

homosexuality being illegal as a restraint on bestiality, incest and

rape, would be further reduced? I be clear with you? People have

their own rights and religious beliefs, and people like myself

have a Christian faith. There are other people in the Islamic

community, the Jewish community, who share some of those principles

of howl marriage should be. Hello, serve. I am all for gay marriage in

the eyes of the law, in the eyes of God, no. But what about the

Christians and other people? They have got their faith, 2000 years

old. You cannot change a 2,000- year-old to scripture. A marriage

takes years and years. You are together, man and wife, but it

takes years to perfect a marriage. I couldn't agree more. What we are

calling for is the introduction of religious freedom, but the point

that Jonathan was making about those faith groups opposing

marriage, but they should be allowed to do so. No one should be

forced. This is a slippery slope. You start off by saying no church,

no minister, will be forced to do this, and then it goes to a

European Court, and then a European role in. A people would never be

post it to do anything. Let us look at the issue of divorce - can any

faith group be forced to marry any people divorced? No. Was it brought

a European Court? Yes. Patrick, a journalist. How do you think this

position as Northern Ireland? looks like Northern Ireland is in

the dark here. You don't even believe in freedom of speech! The

rest of the UK sees Northern Ireland as in the dark ages. In the

last year, let me talk about three issues... Would you let me finish?!

I will cherish, he will speak. Three issues have come to the for

about Northern Ireland. One, the riots. What image does that

portray? The other is that many politicians, including you, and

religious leaders, who spout homophobic bile, who likened

homosexuality to bestiality and incest, and the third issue came

about this morning. In England, we hear Northern Ireland has the

highest suicide rate among young people. Look at the peak --

problems in Northern Ireland. What a religious and political leaders

are doing? They are selling no to love and marriage. There is a split

in the Tory party about a marriage. It is not this call. The majority

of Tory MPs support gay marriage. 7% of the UK, in the last opinion

poll, said they did not want to legalise gay marriage. One million

people on the streets of Paris to say it was a right to keep marriage

between a man and a woman. It is right for children to have a father

and a mother. Regarding trouble, you are living in the safest city

in the UK, sunshine! APPLAUSE David Smith. There are several issues

here. It is really important for Christians to keep in mind in truth

and love. As the marriage Christian person, I find it offensive,

because I do not think marriage is unequal. That suggests marriage is

unequal. Man at -- marriage has never been gender-neutral. I

condemn homophobia. The European Court cases last week found

Christian belief in sex within marriage was unorthodox view.

madam. I find it ironic that the DUP, or who are so British, are

taking them anti-British stance and not aligning themselves with

England, Scotland and Wales on this issue. They are meant to be

British! APPLAUSE Do you have a question? Yes, why take such an

anti-British stance? When people in the UK were asked, they still

believed in the definition of marriage. Seven out of 10 people

what of the view that in civil partnerships, though all the rights

and responsibilities. Let me tell you what this means. It means the

church that will not marry a same- sex couple... Dot a church there or

not marry would be denied the use. They would not be allowed to use

public facilities, hire halls. A teacher that refused to at -- teach

basics would be deeps most -- would be dismissed. There is no such

there's gay marriage, Steve. A worker, in his private time, said,

but I don't believe we should redefine marriage. If you do want

to pick up the phone, the numbers are coming up on your screens now.

Juliane, you are in a lesbian relationship. What would you like

to say? I appreciate your are Christian, but your values I want

to question. The Bible you are quoting from promotes slavery. Yes,

it does. It all so Warren's the death penalty for anyone that

commits adultery. It promotes racism. And yet, you let these

people get married? Do you know what motivated the end of slavery?

A Christian. William Wilberforce, or Christian values. So a Christian

went against his own word? It is not acceptable. The institution of

marriage has been longer than the Church. There has been there before

the church and law. It is not broken. We are better dicky

marriage as it stands. -- we are better to keep a marriage. Equal

marriage is not some new idea. The criminal Ladyship --

decriminalisation of marriage happened. Jonathan, you started off

saying the redefinition of the mother and the father in a gay

marriage. What is your stance on I believe children are best brought

up by a mother and a father. People talk about homophobia and all of

that nonsense but an I could tell you about a gay journalist who

thinks we should not a change marriage. Christopher Biggins, a

gay actor, believes that we should not redefine marriage. In terms of

a doctor -- in terms of adoption... For every gay person are you can

find that a pose is gay marriage, I can find 10 Christians who support

gay marriage. In the Telegraph a gay man said that the child should

best start with a mother and father and that is the way forward. Where

does it say that? There are many, many heterosexual couples, all over

the world, who bring up children and they turn into criminals,

murderers, the definition of parenting is not Dhanjal sexuality.

The definition of parenting is down to the person and how you look

after your child. The most stable relationship for a child, and we

want the best relationships for our children, particularly adopted

children, or children in care, the best and most stable relationship

for them is for a child to be brought up with a mother and father.

Jonathan, thank you for coming into the studio tonight. Give them a

round of applause. There are so many of you trying to get through

to us tonight. The numbers are coming up on your screen. Who do we

have on air? Adrian. Hello Adrian. I have two points. When God created

the world he created Adam and Eve. He did not create too Adams or to

eat. Do you understand? I do. two men marry and their adopted

child, when that child goes to school, that child will be bullied,

that child has no mother, he has no mud that love. Every child needs a

mother's love. He needs a mother to cuddle. That child will be bullied

at school and his mind will be warp. How do you feel a child, possibly

listening to the show, or indeed a young gay man or woman, will be

feeling tonight if they just want to be accepted into the society and

you tell them that they cannot have they same rights as someone who is

straight, do you think they will feel bullied? There is a law and it

was made in the Ten Commandments. The law was made for this world. It

was made thousands of years ago. There was nothing in the Ten

Commandments about being gay. Aldham and Gomorrah. Thank you very

much for your call. David, please be quick. I would like to say that

I am with my to partner of 22 years and I would love to marry him in

Belfast. The DUP and Christian people have no right to put their

views on to me. They have every right if they are democratically

elected! They have no right to discriminate against gay people.

They have a right to their views and I respect their views but at

the same time I won the same rights for my part as a man and a woman

have. Let me read some texts that are coming year. Collins as they

want got that and nothing will happen. While we change in the

Lord? Adrian says children who grow up in gay relationships have warped

minds. Another one says he wants the opportunity to get married.

This one says that a while ago people at the same ideas about

Inter racial marriages and times are changing and the DUP should

change with it. On the texts tonight they are coming in on

Twitter. We are continuing the discussion tonight and we will

continue it on the radio programme tomorrow morning.

Here's what still to come on tonight's programme:

Is the DUP about to consent to a vote on a united Ireland?

Now, make-ups, break-ups, cheating and heartache - the mainstay of

country and western music. Often regarded as something of a guilty

pleasure, one young man is doing his best to make it mainstream.

He's packing out venues across Northern Ireland and is gathering a

cult following among his peers. You have a hat for me, do you? I

will look lovely in theirs. -- lovely in this. He is getting a

cult following. Do you want to read the rest of the autocue? Ladies and

gentlemen, Nathan Carter. Good evening. Clapp those hands.

Have to dance down to the land of the blinds.

Staring down the road I see headlights.

I made it down the coast in 17 hours.

I'm hoping to see my baby tonight. Rock me mum I like a Wagon Wheel.

Rock me mum a any way you feel. Yeah, rock me.

Rock me, mum or, like a Wagon Wheel. Rock may like a southbound train.

I was running away. Born to be a fiddler in an all-time

ring. My baby plays the guitar.

I play the banjo and. I am turning back. Rock may, momma,

like a wagon a real. Rock me any way you feel.

Rockliffe. Rock me like the rain.

Rockley like a southbound train. I was rocking to the south. He's

At least I will be freed. Rock my ear like a Wagon Wheel.

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 76 seconds

Rock me any way you feel. Four APPLAUSE.

Good to see it. I was listening to that. It is really only on this

show we can go from a gay marriage and now I am sitting in a pink hat

talking to a country and western star. How does this happen? Your

story is really intriguing. You are attracting so many people now have

to the country and western singer. You were in your twenties. Yes, 22.

What is it all about? I would not have thought it is cool, don't fall

out with me here, I would not have thought it is cool and trendy for

young people to like country music. It definitely wasn't when I have

was growing up. I was involved in traditional music for many years. I

played the accordion and of course my Nan who is originally and Warren.

She used to take me along to see a lot of show bands. I saw all these

old country and show bans and I'd thought I would love to do that one

day but try and get more young people into it and get it a bit

more cool, if you like? But it is difficult, is it difficult to make

it caller? People talk about rap music and all of that, fair enough

that your age but dance music, country and western? How are you

doing it? I suppose I picked a couple of songs that would appeal

to all generations. A lot of people have come to watch Giggs a young

children of five and six to come with their parents and their

grandparents and people my age are mad about dancing and people in the

teenage years love jive and dancing. It is brilliant to see young people

in the dance halls. I see it in the older crowd, the editor of this

programme is a big fan. You definitely have that audience boxed

off. You have the young audience, what is the ambition, what do you

think you can do? We do a lot of dances and it is good to see dance

halls full but I would love to going to concerts. We have

experimented with some concerts recently and it was a very

different age group. It was a great atmosphere and we have a run of

concerts coming up and we will play our first gig in Belfast very soon.

If it is good music, it is good music. Garth Brooks has done a

massive amount as well as the Dixie chicks. I do not see why it cannot

be done again and try and get everyone involved. I tell you what

I really love about this story and you being on this programme tonight,

we have been covering some pretty heavy current affairs issues on the

radio programme and this television programme over many weeks. There

are people that remind me that we have a lot to be positive about in

Northern Ireland and we need to invest in our young people and we

need to make young people think that if you have a dream or an

ambition, do it, go for it. I am really pleased that you were in the

studio tonight. Thank you for having me on and the thank you to

the audience for making me feel so welcome. I really do hope that you

are a big star in the future. Ladies and gentlemen, Nathan Carter.

Thank you. Now, before we move on, here's a

quick reminder of how you can get Yesterday the DUP hinted that it

may support a referendum on a united Ireland. It told Sinn Fein,

bring it on, but stress it hasn't made a final decision.

Let us discuss this. We have the DUP Minister Arlene Foster in the

studio and the Sinn Fein MLA Alex Maskey. It was surprising what you

said on the radio programme. Peter Robinson a week ago said something

completely different. That is what you call discussion in a political

party. That is a U-turn! Know it is not. This is a stunt from P Sinn

Fein because they know full well people will not vote for a united

Ireland so it is some wait for them to get their supporters some

sustenance and they are putting is out in front of them and saying to

keep the faith when in actual fact We are not about preventing some

kind of sauce -- false sustenance, because let us take it, and I would

not take any vote for granted, but a party's growth has been steadily

improving. We are winning people to the Republic of Ireland. So that a

united Ireland. What is she getting out of it. First of all, we have

begun a debate. So let. What are the benefits? Obviously, her party

are not against a united Ireland. It makes sense. We are a very small

island. We are divided into macro. We have a duplicated health service,

economy. It is very interesting and knowledgeable that her party

colleague is their -- working very constructively, doing a joint work

which makes economic sense. It is about doing away with inefficiency

and duplication, it is about making everybody's powder or Europe --

your road work to the best effect for everybody. So you want to keep

a united Health Service in a united Ireland? Let us have a discussion

about what health service we want. You know the health service here is

not up to standard in the way it should be. We don't agree that the

health service in the south of Ireland is up to scratch. The DUP

has proven... What is better, or the one in the south on the one up

here? You can take desperate -- different aspects of it. Certainly,

half the problem... I spent my life trying to get you guys to answer a

question, or all her love you! Which in your view has a better

hole surface? You're asking the wrong question. I will give you an

answer. We both health departments are doing is taking innovative

decisions and initiative. Her own party colleague is proving that

doing away with a duplication works for people. Same question to you -

so the union. The union is better from a historical, political,

cultural and religious point of view. We are in a strong economy in

the UK. If you look good unemployment statistics, we are

7.9% - too high. And the Republic - a 15%. We are getting �10 billion

from Westminster every year. Yes, we are. You are not. Therein lies

the big question - and fair play to Sammy Wilson, who has been

challenging Britain to come clean about the figures. The �10 billion

to speak about, almost 6 billion of that is not even come in the first

instance. It goes off to fight the war in Afghanistan. Look at the

Act's. You know very well that defences and the national budget.

What rubbish! Again, Sinn Fein have been shown to be economic

illiterate, yet again. The figures there I will cope to come

directly... But the fact that Sammy Wilson and the British Treasury,

all the figures we walk Probes are entirely truthful stub. It was only

a few months ago, when the cuts from Westminster would been imposed

in Northern Ireland, the members of your party were telling us, telling

me on the radio, on television, very little we can do, sorry!

you rather we were in deep Republican ballot where the

austerity is much, much worse? question was, we the people of

Northern Ireland needed to see how strong local politics and

devolution was in Northern Ireland, the response of your party is,

their little we can do. It is up to me and others how we spend a grant.

We are not powerless! We thought the Cup so we got more money, did

we? We get money from the block grant. If you are seriously saying

we would be better off with Dublin, I have to say, you're going down

the same road as a Sinn Fein. Dublin does not have control of

their own affairs - Germany controls at. That is not a place I

want to be. A Bros macro. What you think? The state was founded on the

creation of the border in the first place. It has shipped a political

parties, it ships how we vote, since the state was founded until

last week. Clearly, the bear the matters to people. Let see how much

it matters to how many people. If we made a decision had that the

majority of people want to stay in the UK, if they want to have an

All-Ireland state, we can make arrangements for that. It doesn't

make sense to have a problem and pretended is not there. Young

fellow in the grey jumper. As a young voter, at the minute, this

really doesn't bother me. We are waiting for riots to clear. Why not

let us not worry about what's happening now? None of those things

are exclusive. We are working full tilt with the Good Friday Agreement.

I suggest people get a copy with it because it is a very complex

document. Republicans agreed with it, but at the end of the day, that

provides for though fact we worked together now or in a power-sharing

government. We share power on the basis of equality. We work within

the current constitutional status quo, but we have the right to

propose and discuss a border vote. We can do it better across the

island. Can I know some of the detail of this? When this border

poll happens, Good Friday Agreement says that, if there happens, if

this happens, Good Friday Agreement says what you're doing is measuring

the people of Northern Ireland. Do you accept that or you think they

should be a poll in the south of Ireland as well, and all the

numbers are added up? The Good Friday Agreement is legally binding.

The people voted across the island for the Good Friday Agreement. The

majority voted for it. Now, the Good Friday Agreement provides for

this. The Good Friday Agreement provides for a poll, and the

majority of the people decided they wanted Pol, their discussions will

begin, and the British and Irish government will have that. Die in a

checked shirt. Just taking into perspective the current economic

situation, if a poll was to take place, how much would it cost and

how could be justified? I think she asked Sinn Fein. We need to be very

clear about what I said yesterday. It is fantasy politics from Sinn

Fein Foster up a be careful for what you wish for, I said, because

we could call their bluff her. We are very confident in our unionism,

and we are not going away. You can assure you like for a united

Ireland, it ain't going to happen! APPLAUSE. You are, of girls,

entitled to your opinion. At some point, there will be a border poll.

That is inevitable. Look at the demographics. I don't know what is

in the minds of every citizen, but I want to give them an opportunity.

Michael wants to speak to you. accuse Sinn Fein of wealth

indulging in Sinn Fein fantasy politics. But a 5 billion deficit,

is that this success? The Northern Ireland TLC is bankrupt, not Tony

economically, but politically. Why not thinking of new ways forward?

My goodness... This gentleman is obviously a republican. But I am a

unionist. I believe it is right for the people of Northern Ireland,

they will be better off by staying within the UK. I am still here.

Anyway, the reality is whether it is 10 billion or 5 billion, no

country or business can sustain that. Let's look at what will

happen. Being is on the phone. British government to allow this

piece of fantasy been on a border poll, and that turns out a response

that the vast majority of the citizens of this country, could

your party feel they know the mind and could work? And if you do, how

do you intend to pay? First of all, we are working together. Were you

may not always get it right, but we upset the Good Friday Agreement and

a border poll. Or I am I St Ewe, look at the Good Friday Agreement

in its entirety. We are talking as if this was a practical discussion

about the economy and health. The reality is that if Dublin was Dubai,

you would still not want a united Ireland. You are speaking out over

an ideological unionism. And if Britain was the greatest country in

the world,... That is why I want self-determination. It Dublin was

Dubai, you would buy into it? said he would accept the result of

that poll. Would you? Yes, of course! But it will not happen. If

it happens, of course I will accepted. Where is your party

tonight on the position? The same place where we were when I spoke to

you yesterday morning. We are simply saying that if Sinn Fein

wants to involve them fantasy politics, let us do with that

because we won stability. Couple of minutes left. I think Sinn Fein

have shot themselves in the third. This is their own -- the wrong time

for anybody. At the frontier. listened yesterday, and she said it

is up to Britain to decide. I thought the people of Northern

Ireland should have the right to decide for themselves, not an

English politician. She has to call it when there is evidence. I want

to squeeze a couple more people in. Why would you want a united Ireland

when people in Belfast cost the economy 12 million over a period of

three months it? Or I am not asking be able to vote for a united

Ireland! What we are suggesting is we want to see a border poll within

the lifetime of the next Assembly, but of people talk about fantasy

politics, there will not be power- sharing, the DUP would not be in

government with Sinn Fein. But they are. 2016 will come and go. And

united Ireland or not be here. That's all we have time for tonight.