Episode 6 The Nolan Show

He was one of the best-known faces in showbiz, at the top of his TV

game. Michael Barrymore is in this studio to tell us how his world

collapsed around him. Stormont has said no to anyone with

a serious conviction becoming a special political adviser.

members voted. The motion is carried. So does Northern Ireland

now have a hierarchy of victims of the Troubles?

And there's a surprise for someone Welcome to the programme. Then cue

for joining us. For over a decade he was Mr

Saturday night, a guaranteed ratings winner, and one of

showbiz's most bankable stars. But then an addiction to drink and

drugs, and the death of a man at his Essex home in 2001 led to his

world collapsing around him and his life changed forever. Ladies and

gentlemen, please welcome Michael Barrymore. Hello, Mike Hall. Good

to see you. Hello. How are you doing? You love the crowd?Of

course I do, it has been my life. am 39, up I was born in 1973. I

know I look a lot younger. Therefore I have an understanding

of where you were at the very, very top. Can you describe what it felt

like when you were up there? don't think you really take it in

because it becomes such a big machine. You are working at it all

the time and it is so fought on. You cannot think about the 18

million people watching. My drug of choice is my work. I was addicted

to that. I knew what I wanted to do when I was a child. I have no idea

I was going to do it. I came from the docks. I have an Irish mother.

I was brought up in Mayra. It was enough for me to just get up there

and do it. -- in County Mayo. I've always genuinely liked people.

There are a lot of people in the business who are good at what they

do, but they do not like people. They are not mad about people

themselves. I have never been like that. I was always very outgoing,

so it was important how people reacted to me, how they felt about

me and how they perceive to me. I never manufactured how I was. I did

not put a face on that suited them. For that reason, I was very open

and I did not mind my vulnerability been showed on stage. Did you enjoy

it? I guess from having the perspective of losing it...

Actually, let us have a look back. Then KPI very much! In Hello! --

thank you very much. Clearly from the story I now know about you -

drink, drugs, addiction, I wonder when I see that, what was the real

Michael behind that. He is the real one. That is the real one it you

see. There was no real separation. A lot of the time because I mix

with people rather than people in show business, people would say,

you are Michael Barrymore. I never really took it seriously. It was

the making of me and probably my downfall. I did not see what the

problem was. I did not take on board how big it was. Ever. I still

don't. I am still humbled by the way people are with me and I have

had this relationship with the public for a long, long time. Even

through all the worst times as well. In terms of the drinking, when did

you spot you had a problem? What it from early on? I did not drink or

get into drugs. I did not start smoking cigarettes and till I was

in my thirties. Success brings its own unemployment. So you get paid a

lot more money to do a lot less. You have got all this time and I

suddenly thought, who admire and I found the drink and drugs. I what

you mean by that? Well, I had given no time to find out who I was. When

I was a child, I made my friends laugh at school. Then it became a

living. By then the gain success for. I then -- I then became

successful. As a child, I thought if I could get �100 a week, I would

be happy. I never actually took it seriously. And the drink was

filling what Gap, Michael? At first I thought it was because I was gay.

You must have known from pretty early on? I was actually happily

married and it was not something that bothered me. There were odd

times and then the drink led to things. And I would think, I don't

know how to deal with this. It just came upon me. It really did. Were

you drinking after shows? I had a golden rule. I know it probably

looked like I did, but I never took anything before I worked. But what

about after? I went for it then. What does that mean? I would drink

wine in my dressing room. But you just come out of a studio audience

like this with people absolutely the drawing you, so why do you need

drink? You are on a high. You are sitting in a dressing room and

everyone thinks you're brilliant. It is wanting to keep... No drug

can replace the adrenalin you get from working with a live audience.

I was trying to replace that and I did not want a high to come down

from where I was. It was not enough. The come down is so much of the

adrenalin. Can you describe the comedown, when you go back into the

dressing room? It is just a complete drop. You are buzzing and

buzzing from the audience, especially the way I work where it

is all improvisation. That is why my live performances got such a

following because it would just before the crowd that night. When

you are working so much, I used to dread going on holiday. I would be

miserable in some of the most beautiful places in the world and

it is a sad thing to say. success brought you sadness? It did.

It was slowly killing me though. If you are an addict, of people

actually don't understand what the diction is about. What is wrong

with you? You have money, you have success, you are laughed. I have my

family and everything. And then, why do you want to do this? It is

called the diction. You had that aspect of your life and you are a

man of contrast. The public perception is that you are happy,

but yet you had this reality way you go back to your dressing room

and you are sad because you need that adrenalin and you get hooked

on alcohol. By the way. Sorry, if I could have worked 18 hours a day,

every day, up I would not have need -- I would not have needed drink or

drugs. Things have changed, the money has run out and I would be

happy to work in McDonald's. But if I did that, I would cause such a

problem, they would have to dismiss me and then I would sue them for

unfair dismissal. Then I would move on to Burger King and KFC. Why was

there that emptiness in your life. You had that lady in your life, she

was right by your side. How comes that was not feeling the emptiness.

I it was a husband, her lover, we lost a couple of children when we

first married. I wanted to adopt and she didn't. We came away from

the adoption society and she said, are you doing this for me because I

don't need children. I did not answer. I thought, how can we do

that if I'm the only person that once it. I did not say anything

else. Then, I had too much wrapped up in been one person. She was

totally addicted to me. She was your manager and she was

we know in the stewed dwro audience, before the show Michael said to me,

ask me anything you like. There is nothing off limits. And in that

spirit, Michael, when you got married to Cheryl, had you any ink

cling that you were gay? Do you want the theatrical answer or the truth?

I want the truth. LAUGHTER

Mm, I thought that getting married would stop the feelings. Does that

answer it? And it did for a long time and then it came back and

reared its head again, you know. Were the feelings intense when you

got married? Were you finding more men than women attractive? No, no, I

wasn't brave enough. Was brought up in the Docks. . I was brought up in

Bermondsey. You don't put your hand up and a strong Catholic upbringing

and stuff like that. I was going to be a he priest, can you imagine?

LAUGHTER But it was a stage. I loved it. I

mean I loved being an altar boy. You got paid for doing weddings and

stuff like that. I did the Rosary every night.

You had this secret that you hoped the homosexual feelings would go

away? Because it got so successful, the work, all that, I didn't even

think about it. So I think in a way, I was throwing myself so much into

my work. We were such a unit together. And we had a great sex

life as well. It is not as if there wasn't that as well, you know, we

were very, it was working all the way around and I think where success

came, I just found it too much that I couldn't cope anymore with, not

the pressure, I mean all this about the pressure and it wasn't pressure

to me. I love what I do. I adore what I do. I still do. I never lost

the passion despite the crap that I have had to deal with. All the

things that happened. All the mistake I have made. I have to look

at my part in things. I can't go, " Oh, it is them. Them. Them." You

know. I don't mean you, you, you, by the way! Will we swap?I love the

way you got yourself facing the audience and I'm like...

LAUGHTER Cross your legs.

LAUGHTER Can we talk about the night that I

guess, well a massive night in your life and a night that a young man

died. Yes. At your home. You have been out that

night partying. Yes. Yes.

Why did you bring people back to your house, Michael? I thought it

was OK. There is probably loads of people in this audience that either

had people back at their house and they didn't know who they are.

Not if you are a Saturday night TV superstar, you know you are

vulnerable. I didn't see that. I didn't see what

the problem was. I was drunk, what time of night is it? Can I swear? I

was drunk. I was kissed, well, that's not really swearing, is it? I

was off my tits, that's getting better. It is a serious matter. I

was, I thought there was an arm on this, sorry. I was, I was gone and

one guy said, " I will be your security." I went OK. We came back.

I think deep down if I was being honest and I am come dport --

comfortable enough to be honest, sometimes with interviewers you

close up because you get the feeling, " Where is this going?" I

will be honest honest and say that to you now.

Thank you. I think sometimes it is a bit of, the London boys done well. I

came from nothing, from family, and showing off.

You know, it is the big house. The nice sound system.

Michael, what happened? What happened? Stewart was found dead in

your swimming pool. Where were you? I was in the house and the others

went out. They said, " Can they go in the pool?" I said, it is half-way

being built. Drew the top back. You have got a picture of this it there.

The switch is over there on the left and that goes back to show the light

up from underneath. There were four girls as well which the Press

conveniently leave out. And I went and had a joint with James and I

can't remember his name now, it doesn't matter and then we went back

out and he said, " Do you want to go into the jacuzzi?" When we went

outside I looked down and I didn't even know Stewart's name at the

time. It was just a another member of the party, right? Looked down and

he was there floating in the pool. What did you do? The first thing I

did was run back into the house and get the, Jonathan who I knew had a

life-saving experience and the other guy came with him and James and a

few of us jumped in, because I can't swim, and the other one jumped in. I

didn't see that, but they jumped in to get him and I went to get the

other two. They came out. They started working on him. The other

one was going around, I was starting to freak out and the girls started

screaming and he was just lying there and he wasn't moving much and

James said, " Come away. There is no more you can do. The ambulance has

been called. They are working working on him." So how it was

reported is that you ran away? I didn't runaway. They never report

that the first thing I did was to go and get help. But they choose not to

report those things. They were working on him. I was standing there

and instead of going "no, I should stay here. I went with the lads down

the bottom of the drive. I didn't ring my PR agents and say, " I never

had a PR agent." I don't employ the likes of Max Clifford, I never have

done. The PA was my personal assistant. I rang and said, " A guy

is guy is in the pool. If the police need me, I am in James' place at the

bottom of the drive." It didn't look good you leaving the scene? No. No,

it is one of the worst things I could have done and when it gets

reported and the way it has been reported all over the years, as it

has been done, it can't look right, can it? It can't look right at all,

but that doesn't make me guilty of something that never happened in the

first place. You know, they wanted it to fit the way they wanted it to

fit instead of what the facts were. This is the national press? Yes.

Always have done all the way along as has been proven now it is

starting to come out about various things with the phone hacking. If

they were phone hacking people which they were at the time which they are

about to apologise in a few weeks time for hacking my phone.

They have already settled with you. There will be an apology, the

wording is still to be agreed? Yeah, yeah, but there is a point,

are if they were hacking my phone, which they were, they would know

that I made no phone calls to anybody saying, " Don't say this to

the police and don't say that." Why didn't they report that to the

police? They choose not to give that information. They go on about we do

what we do because we want to bring justice. Well, look as a journalist,

I am going to say this to you because I want people to see your

eyes and I want people to be able to hear it from you rather than how it

is reported. Right? You know that a lot of the audience in this studio

and at home, you know when they are watching this interviewer what they

will be asking themselves, they will be saying scwd did he do it?" How do

you cope with that and what do you say to them? Well, absolutely not.

No way did I do it. If I did, I would have put my hands up ten years

ago or 11 years whatever it is. I couldn't. You know, I haven't spoken

about this properly like this, properly really at all to be honest.

I do find it difficult to talk about, not because I'm guilty of

anything, but because I didn't do anything. I did a stupid thing. I

walked away from the scene, but I had already gone in and got help to

bring him out. Nothing happened to the guy there.

Michael then you become from becoming one of the most loved

people in the country, a lot of people hate you and a lot of people

are forming decisions about you and you are front page news and the

press are vicious about you Yes. What's going on inside your head?

Well, a couple of times... destroyed you? A couple of times I

thought "I would be better off out of this." Because, you know, I was

banging the table saying "this isn't right. This isn't what has gone on.

This isn't what happened. I am not guilty of anything." The way it was

reported as well, a lot of people believe, they say, " Well, all that

trial is over." There was no trial. There never has been a trial, but

the way it was reported is if there was a trial and because you are

Michael Barrymore, you got off something. Oh, you got away with

something. That's my point. That's what some

people will be thinking. How do you live with that? Well, who led them

down that road? Who made them believe that? Who made them believe

that? What's your answer? The press.And

why would they want to do this to you, Michael? The police didn't help

either. Why didn't the police correct things either? Well, the

police can only arrest someone when they have reasonable grounds for

suspicion? Yeah, but a lot of people with respect to a lot of people that

do, a lot of people don't know the difference between arrested under

suspicion of doing and being charged. The reason I have not been

charged with anything, there is nothing to charge me for. There is

no evidence. When the front pages and I remember

seeing them, because remember that you... One of them was, " You are a

murderer." How do you get around that? How do you think that made me

feel? When you saw it, how did you feel? Completely destroyed. Twice I

have been carted off to the hospital with overdoses over the last ten

years, not renltly. I have got myself to a better -- recently. I

have got myself to a better place. You know, as the interview has gone

on, when we was going through that bit right now, I was feeling, I

started to close in a bit and I started to breakthrough a bit. I am

telling you how I feel as it is going along. When you make people

smile all your life, how do you show remorse? How do you apologise one

for things you haven't done and when you have to say, " Well, hang about,

there is your part." I guess if I'm honest, how do you restore a

reputation which maybe, maybe, you can't restore because so much damage

has been done? Maybe it is damaged goods, yeah. You thought of taking a

your own life? Again, that was, you know, I did hang in another day. I

did hang in a bit better and I have got myself well enough to be able to

cope with an interview like this because there is no way that I would

have been fit enough, well enough, I'm not, I'm nod I hadcated. I'm --

I'm not educated, I haven't got all the fancy words to make it work and

so it flows in a nice even package, it is not all thought through. I

said, when you came in and said hello in the dressing room, I didn't

say, you know, "What's the list of questions?" You asked me what you

want and I didn't think, you know, I felt comfortable enough with you.

Mid-way, if the fact that you have gone the way you have, that's fine

and that's good because... The process I'm feeling is I'm going

through the feeling, as it is happening now. And do you think...

And because I'm well enough to be able to deal with it because I have

every reason to hold my head up high and I have no reason. For all those

years when I walked around with a baseball cap on my head hiding from

people and terrified of life. were terrified of people? I was

terrified of what people thought. Why would they believe anything else

when they have only been told one thing. They have only been told one

side of the story and never the correct side.

How long did you hide from people for? When I am at the father, his

father, of course, he is upset. The guy died here. The 31-year-old guy

lost his life. How long did you hide for? Seven or

You were a man who lived for the stage. And the very thing that kept

me going is no longer there. you fighting the press? I am. I

cannot say much for legal reasons. Two years ago when one of the cases

started, the lawyer said, do you want to take this on because you

have a lot to deal with? I said, I have nothing to Leeds. It is like

tonight. It is not a like St, how you deal with staff, because I did

not know we were going to go down this road. Everything has gone. I

do not sit in resentment. I do not live in the past. So what is your

dream now. I have seen you tweet that you will be back. Back where?

I don't know. It's not for me to say. Do you think you could be a

big star again? I am a big star, I am not on. To be fair to you, when

I have talked about what other people might think, I think there

will be a lot of people thinking you are a big star. I think there

will be a lot of people who say you make them laugh and you have an

incredible talent. Well, you know. You don't actually lose it, do you?

Do you want that? Well... Can I have some water? Yes. Thank you.

This is my first time in Northern Ireland. Do you like it?It is

different. It is heavy here. What was that? I mean, beat Saturday

nights, when I was that age, if it is the right thing, you know... I

do not wait for the phone to ring. I have got my Jack Russell called

Dave. I have got used to being on my own. My final question - what is

your dream? My dream... I am going to pick up the best supporting

actor Oscar nomination. I have not got a clue how I am going to do it,

but one or two things will happen. I'll either pick it up, or die. And

if I die, I won't know that I've picked it up, so I can't really

lose. Can I say thank you it very much. They are screaming in my ear

because we have gone over. I have never used one of those. Well, I'll

just take it out. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Barrymore.

you. The thank you very much. -- thank you very much. Still to come

- there is a surprise for a member of this audience. Hello. What is

your name? We will get a microphone to you. What is your name? Olive.

Well, I can tell you that tonight, the surprise is that you! -- is not

you! If you want to get in contact with us, details are on the screen.

Right, let us move on. Does Northern Ireland now have a

hierarchy of victims? That's what's being claimed this week after a

Bill was voted through Stormont banning anyone with a serious

conviction, including ex paramilitaries, from ministerial

special adviser posts. As a result, an adviser to Martin McGuinness

will lose his job because of his IRA past.

Paul Kavanagh was sentenced to life imprisonment after his IRA bombs

killed three people and injured many others in England in 1981. The

SDLP are under fire from Sinn Fein for failing to block the Bill from

going through. The SDLP's leader Alasdair McDonnell said there was a

"pecking order" of victims. There is a hierarchy of people. A small

handful of people who are the elite within Sinn Fein. It mills that

Paul Kavanagh's needs are down in the pecking order.

So, is there a hierarchy of victims from the Troubles? Should there be?

Or should everyone who has suffered because of the violence be treated

the same? Former soldier John Radley, who was

permanently injured in the 1981 Chelsea Barracks bomb for which

Paul Kavanagh was jailed, is with us tonight. Hello. Good evening.Is

it right there should be a hierarchy of victims? Should

special advisers as well as everyone else have a chance to work

in the new Northern Ireland? Not a tour. There is no hierarchy of

victims. There are just victims. Paul Kavanagh was convicted as an

IRA bomber. People have died because of him. I have been

seriously injured. I lost my job. What happens? I was a member of the

Irish Guards, based at Chelsea Barracks. Paul Kavanagh and his

friend planted and nail bomb. As I passed it, it exploded. I suffer

every single day of the week. Two people were killed. Let's hear what

Paul Kavanagh has said recently. There will be people there would

argue that he should be perceived as anyone else. I know how my own

family feels because we had a brother killed. But to say you are

taking your Leeds like that, I don't understand it. This appears

to be more discrimination. What he felt a mention is that his brother

was shot and killed because he was planting a bomb. He had a choice.

Don't plant a bomb and then you will not be killed. I will say

there many people from all sides of the community lost their lives at

the hands of the IRA and the British Army. What we have to

remember is there was a context to all of this. We will disagree over

what that context was, but the most important thing now is that we must

move beyond conflict. He said there was a conflict, he was it against?

It was between the state and the Republicans and also loyalists were

involved. The British army was involved as well. So why then were

they more civilians killed than the Security Forces? Your complete was

again civilians. There are many complex against this world, in Iraq,

in Afghanistan... Were we are not talking about that. Why is Paul

Kavanagh or a victim? He was a teenager when he lost his brother.

He was growing up at a time when there was discrimination within the

state. That is the context within which he joined the IRA. We are in

a different place now. The Nice to beat Rehabilitation and

reintegration. Your party has said, or we might have agreed to be good

Friday Agreement that victims and prisoners and ex prisoners were an

integral part of it, but let now throw that out the window. We are

not saying that at all. Yes, you are. If you compare Paul Kavanagh

or to someone like Ann Travers, she is a victim. He murder people.

There is a difference. So there is a hierarchy of victims? There is a

pecking order? I am saying there is a distinct difference, and the

audience can judge it from -- for themselves. But to be fair to Sinn

Fein, there is no difference in the law. Answer me this, up was Ann

Travers someone who used violence? I am the same age as Paul Kavanagh.

I did not go and seek out a gun to kill people or use a bomb. I used

my brains, I used my political energy to try and change things.

You would not have the Good Friday Agreement without the prisoners.

They played a part and I accept that. It was important that they

did. We gave an undertaking to everybody involved... Including

prisoners. Prisoners are not discriminated against within hour

society as far as the law is concerned. They are discriminated

against because they cannot get certain jobs. What I am saying is

that as a generality, prisoners are not discriminated against. We try

to help them to bring them into the mainstream. That is what I support

and that is what my party supports. There is not a hierarchy of victims

and I tell you why... But he believes they raised. I'd do not.

You have just said so and your leader have said so. He did not. He

was making the comparison between Paul Kavanagh and Ann Travers. He

used that phrase in order to illustrate the sharp contrast that

existed between the two of them. when the phrase pecking order was

used, he did not mean it? He used that phrase and I accept he used it.

Do you back in? A I am telling you the point that he was making. The

contrast between Paul Kavanagh and Ann Travers, it is a stark contrast.

Many people lost their lives and the danger of going down the road

of a hierarchy of victims is that we really need to remember the

victims and their families and friends that had been left behind.

-- have been left behind. You lost your son. Are you comfortable

saying that your son was a victim, equally just as much as someone

with a bomb in their hands? An icon of double? I am not, but I've take

the view that there was an agreement in 1998 which was an

attempt to draw a line and begin a period of transformation to turn

this part of the UK into a peaceful society. They have to be a lot of

unpalatable things, like the prisoner release programme which

will, from a selfish perspective, caused you to be upset. If you

stand back and say, I will do what I can to build peace or relations,

then I can hardly be a hypocrite and so, I want to speak to Sinn

a bomb in their hand and a child standing in the street, you think

they are both equal victims? No, I don't attempt to have that

conversation with myself. If I focussed orn that and you are

compelling -- on that and you are compelling me to, if I focussed on

that, I would probably end up being locked away. But I mean I can't

myself work with the hierarchy because if I did, I would be taking

a particular positions and I could hardly have a peace charity which is

what I have. We have an open door. We talk to anybody, perpetrators,

victims, ex-military, we do a lot of work with former soldiers and former

paramilitaries. We work with everybody and unless we start to do

that across the piece... You think he should keep his job, Colin?

Sorry Colin, I have seen you lots of times on the Television. I tried to

contact you today. The one fundamental point that everybody is

missing here, pecking order. There is no pecking order. A victim is a

victim. End of story. What we are talking about here is people who

murder people. If you are going to give reconciliation to prisoners to

have jobs as personal adviser for whatever, give them that. Do not

give those jobs to people who murder people. Whether they be British or

Irish. Do not give those jobs to murderers. Paul Kavanagh has no

right to sit in a �90,000 a job that's paid for by the taxpayers.

APPLAUSE Let me ask Patricia McBride. Where

would you stand on this with Paul Kavanagh and others like him?

think that this issue in terms of the Special Advisers Bill is a

political prisoner issue. It is an - it is regarding ex-prisoners and has

been made into a victims issue when it should not have been. I think

that the comments of Alistair McDonald at the weekend were

insensitive and offensive and when he talks about a pecking order of

victims, and he compounded that by repeating it again in the assembly

on Monday when he was questioned on it. And it is very hurtful for

people out there. What I have to tell you though is let's look at

where the legislation is. It defines a victim very clearly as someone who

is bereaved, someone who has been injured and someone who cares for a

person that has been injured. It does not define the dead. Fed we

constantly -- if we constantly have our arguments and our discussions

around the rights and the wrongs of who did what, we can't change the

fact that these people are dead. What our job has to be is not to

make moral judgements around the dead, but to support the living.

Basil McCrea, why did you vote for the Bill? Of course, there is

victims. This is just ridiculous. This is people... In law there is

no? This is people trying to say black a white.

Someone who is or has been physically or psychologically

injured has as a result of or in relation to conflict incidents. Or

someone who has been bereaved as a result or in consequence of a

conflict related incident, that's Paul Kavanagh. If that's the law,

the law can be changed and that's what we did in the assembly. I go

back and the people can shake their head or whatever... You agreed to

the Good Friday Agreement? I agreed to the principles, but it was

subject to change and I will tell you this and I know and I have met

ann Traveres. She is is a very honourable, descent woman. She is

not the same as people that are considered in this.

Your new party is prepared to rip up elements of the Good Friday

Agreement? Our new party is prepared to recognise what is right. We will

say what has to be said... So you are not going to stick to the Good

Friday Agreement? The problem with this country it keeps trying to say

that black is white. It keeps trying to ignore reality and I will tell

you this. We will change elements of it that are wrong. We will speak out

and say, " Dh is not the right way forward. There were mistakes and it

is not right." In all of my time working with victims, never once did

I hear a victim say that someone who had been bereaved who was in need

safrlt of that bereavement should not receive help and the fact that

Basil is talking about changing, trying to implement changes in the

law. Where he does create that hierarchy, it is wrong. The SDLP has

a moral obligation to apologise for the comments they made which were

insulting to victims. Ann Travers was a victim. Where does the SDLP

get the moral authority to decide where people sit on the pecking

order? Do you have the moral authority to decide where people

sit? Ask the audience, what is the difference between Ann Travers and

Paul Kavanagh? Ann Travers was not a perpetrator... One second. I want to

speak to Michael riley tonight. Ann Travers never lifted a gun or a

bomb. I want to know about the equality

here. Everybody has been talking about Ann Travers and everybody,

Paul Kavanagh. How come British soldiers who murder people in

Northern Ireland, who are convicted of murder and are sentenced to life

in prison, can be reinstated into the British Army with a rival in

their hand? Is that right, Basil? So he they have been reinstated that

back into the Army? I will tell you what is right is to look at matters

with sensitivity. There is no argument from me that says when you

finish a conflict that you have to find a way of getting people

reintegrated back into society, but what is not correct is where you

have someone like Ann Travers and it has been personal... To be fair.

Michael has a valid question. Should the British soldiers that were

responsible for murdering had his brother. Should they be banned from

going back into their job? course, they should be banned. It is

ridiculous they were put back in. The only Army in the country that

recruited murderers back into its ranks.

There is an issue about trying to come to an agreement in public, no

the behind closed doors, about how you are going to deal with people

who were combatants. I do discriminate, I say there is a

difference between, I do say there is a difference between people that

are innocent of any wrongdoing... That's a change from the position of

the Good Friday Agreement. For 14 years there have been ex-prisoners

in this role in the assembly. The SDLP never raised this issue before

and the Ulster Unionist Party never raised it before. It is wrong to

take this step. Stephen, I would like to say, people

of a certain age in this country have all been victims of some level

or another. Some people are hurt more than others through terrorism

and listen tonight again, bad politicians. Bad politicians who

always use the orange card or the green card. Never the human card.

There is a man here. Yes, John Allen. Where are you John Allen?

John, where are you? Your son was killed by the UVF? My son was killed

by the UVF. I class him as a victim. He was killed because he was a

friend with a guy who was in the police protection PSNI protection

programme. And that's why he was killed. I class him as a victim.

Paul Kavanagh murdered three people. And in my eyes he is not a victim

and it was said last week that he was going to get the sack. This is

spin from Sinn Fein or the BBC. He will not get the sack. Did Mary

McArdle get the sack? She was side shifted. Paul Kavanagh will still

have his wages. He will not be Martin McGuinnesses... Dud he was be

side shifted. This is a clearly a breach of the

European convention of the Human Rights. We will be challenging this.

We will continue talking about this on the radio show. Give our guests a

round of applause. APPLAUSE

All right, now, we love it at home when you get in touch with the

programme and just yesterday we received an e-mail from a young man

who actually wanted to make things happen in our TV studio and that

young man is right here, hello. Hello.

And he was talking about you You are the surprise on the show

tonight! LAUGHTER

Tell us what you said to us. Just basically I wanted to ask if she

could come on and sing for you, Stephen, to make your night? Why?

She is a young up and coming singer and she has just finished her exams

and it would be a nice wee gift for her and she is always giving off

that I never surprise her. Here is what we are going to do. It

is a risk, it is a live TV show, but I will tell you what, we are a

programme that likes to give a break to local people. It would be our

honour if you sang for us tonight. Right? In a couple of seconds after

we look at how our series went so far.

Yes, there is any abuse of any process. I don't know. I can't look

into the man's mind or the man 's soul. What is Arlene Foster getting

out of it? Has there been or not? Has there been?

# You belong to me # You are my sweetheart #

I would like to ask Jeffrey... Jao It is Gregory! # So rock me mama

like the wagon wheel # Rock me mama anyway you feel #

I want a Northern Ireland that is peaceful. I want the violence to

stop. When ladies sit, she prayed to God

at night that he would take her home.

You don't see Scotland, they don't get their flag removed. Dublin, you

can tried the tricolour in Dublin, why? That's the British flag.

You need to understand that people died for the tricolour as well.

People died for a united Ireland. The stories should be told.

My father was murdered. If you really believe that, stop the

job cuts in the public service. Stop destroying jobs. I think if you are

disabled, it is not appropriate to do it. Sorry, did you just say if

you are disabled, it is not appropriate to do it? Yes, but I'm

not here you Mr Nolan for you to put words into my mouth. You might be

very good at doing that with other people, but you will not be doing it

with me. How about it on designated days?

Would you agree with that? # I am in love, love, love

# Only love survives # Ladies and gentlemen, from one

e-mail in ended our series, It is # I'm going to live forever

# I'm going to cross that river # I'm going to catch tomorrow night

# You're going to want me to rock me # Just like I always hold you

# You're going to miss me when I'm gone

# Nobody here will ever find me # You I will always be around

# Just like the sun's always behind # I'm going to live forever now

# I'm going to live forever now # I'm going to live forever now

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# # Your fathers and your mothers, be good to one another

# Raise your children right # Don't let the dark darkest

# Take me to the light # When this old road is full of

summers # And all the stars come in the sky

# We will live forever you and I # We will live forever you and I

# # Your fathers #

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# I'm going to live forever # I'm going to cross that river

# I'm going to catch tomorrow night # I'm going to live forever

# I'm going to cross that river # I'm going to catch tomorrow night

# I'm going to live forever # I'm going to cross that river

# I'm going to catch tomorrow night # I'm going to catch tomorrow night