Episode 3 The Nolan Show

Welcome along! We've got a massive show for you tonight. Here's what's

coming up: Is it time to tell Loyalists enough is enough?

The protests keep on coming, costing million after million. How long can

this go on? Can you be sexy at 60? A 62-year old

is starring in a lingerie advert. Is it ever too late to let it all hang

out? The band heading for superstardom.

Kodaline are playing live in the studio tonight. CHEERING AND

APPLAUSE. Good to see you.

And if all that isn't enough, broadcasting legend Gloria Hunniford

will join us as well. But first, loyalism and the angry protests that

just won't go away. And it's not just about flags or parades. In the

past week, loyalists have been objecting to a Sinn Fein councillor

teaching in a Belfast school and attacking police at a reconciliation

event attended by an ex-IRA man. Have a look at this.

There are some people who are ready to run the gauntlet for

reconciliation and there are some people who are ready to oppose it.

To oppose it. As far as the DUP are concerned,

they have went missing. Let's kick off with William Humphrey

from the DUP. Where this is anger coming from? Explain it to us. The

altar Unionist -- believe their rights are being undermined by a

concerted campaign led by Sinn Fein will they said they would be as

making strangers -- contentious parades as they saw fit. The

cultural what they are launching is evident. They are not prepared to

reciprocate and show tolerance, respect and look at a shared future

of Northern Ireland. That is my culture my traditions. But your

British identity is not being eroded. The union is safe, Stephen.

It is safer than it has been foul on time. It is not about politics. Sinn

Fein and nationalism has been defeated in terms of the

constitutional position of Northern Ireland. It is a cultural war on the

Orange tradition. That is why they have attacked Orange parades and

demonised the traditions. So a cultural war? There is no cultural

war. You have to look at the evidence. William and others have

made these hefty speechs. If you take City Hall is the example and it

is often used as such, Belfast is now 50%... 90% is to do with proper

edition is and regalia. To argue that has been on the mend... With

respect to the media, the argument continually centres abound

Britishness. What about Irishness? What about those in Belfast to Irish

and have an allegiance to either on -- to Ireland? What about equality?

Are you saying we have got to be 50-50? Why are you saying that? I am

not an iconoclast and I do not want to pull down statues of flags. In

terms of the regalia, I think if you have... We're going into an

intercultural society, so there are other cultures as well. You have to

have respect in all those cultures. Especially in City Hall, which

represents all the people of the city. Here is one of the questions

which will be asked, no doubt, repeatedly this year. Asked nearly

every day last year. How much real anger is the actually in Northern

Ireland towards this amongst the majority of people? Do the majority

of people in Northern Ireland care a lot more about health, education? I

can see people already in this audience holding their heads. --

nodding their heads. Is this small group of loyalists causing a big

problem? Why don't you tell them to give over? It is a largest cultural

event in this kingdom. It is somewhere in the region of half a

million people who take part to watch the 12th of July. It is hugely

significant to the all-star and British people. The truth of the

matter is, you know, it is about the demonisation of the Orange

institution and has been for some time. Social and economic issues are

absolutely vital, and that is why we need a resolution to this problem.

We need a solution and a parade that would take seven minutes... When the

Orange institution that followed its initiative for upgrade it would take

seven minutes to pass... People like George Chittick sea what he says and

that demonises the Orange Order. It would pass the shops on the road...

You're talking about the Telford Alai and it is February! -- the 12th

of July. When the two DL initiative was put forward, residents did not

give his attention a glance or fought. They dismissed it out of

hand. Before the 12th of July last year there was face-to-face talks

with us time ever. It was agreed that there would be a public

statement made before it. People would say that whatever the

determination is neither side we would return to the stocks,

face-to-face, straight after. The Orange Order has refused to stand by

the statements they made publicly before this. You said they could

stand in as long as they like, the Orangemen and the bands of

Twaddell. He said that at Ardoyne. I be the determinations. Many

determinations have gone against the people of Ardoyne and they have had

to deal with it. This is where we were in this contributor go, this is

where we still are. Both of you people are page to deliver, aren't

you? Your page to deliver for this country and find a solution. I will

let you come back and a second or two. I did not know if it is

insulting or not when you hear me saying, is it time for the loyalists

to move on? I do not mean be silent about everything, I mean this

deprivation in much in the loyalist community as there's anywhere else.

There are absolutely fantastic kids there with ambition that should have

a bright future and maybe we could push them towards health,

education, jobs, making a better life for themselves, it would be

better spent than arguing at Twaddell. Everybody would like to be

father on than what we are. But the reality is there is a wider context

here that no-one has touched on. The outgoing Chief Constable had to go

to the UK Treasury and ask for an additional ?200 million to police

the threat in Northern Ireland. Now, that threat that sits and remain

severe at probably the highest level it has been... A dissident threat?

Yes. The point is the actual threat to the country, the people of

Northern Ireland, does not lie with loyalism. It is not lie with

loyalist paramilitaries. It lies with the threat that resists --

exists with Republicans. APPLAUSE

I would like to know what the relevance is to the discussion

advent Twaddell and loyalism. I am the person who stands out and argues

against dissident republicans and argues against what they do. I am at

the front and along with other people who have had death threats.

It is not that they disagree with you that there is a threat and it

has been dealt with, but what has that got to do with the discussion

today? What does that have to do with the people of Ardoyne? And the

Twaddell. It should have been 150 yards away. It was put on a

interface... And it is an interface... To be clear, this is an

interface that was there. Why wasn't the protest there? They wouldn't

have had to spend 40,000 a night to train police it. We would have been

able to move on. Sinn Fein have never protested ever, anywhere that

has caused tension? You guys go home, don't you?

APPLAUSE . The interrupted me. I have been on

protests myself. You can have an opinion and all I can give you is an

opinion. If the dispute was Edwardsville, why would they put the

protest at an interface unless they wanted to raise tension? Or bring

most attention to the cause. And Sinn Fein don't know how to bring

attention to their cause? Why would you put it on a interface? Brian,

what would use it to protesters at Twaddell? It is time we said we will

not put up with this. We have had violence and anger and it is eroding

the good name of Northern Ireland. It is about extermination. Big bad

words like that from the Protestant people. That is a misuse of language

and history and Europe retain -- you are betraying the people. The story

of Northern Ireland I know and live in is a positive one, in the world.

I am a unionist, but you are complete veins from what is

happening in Northern Ireland. It is time we said no more.

APPLAUSE . Shame on Unionist leadership, he

said. Let's be clear, we have had talks... Failed stock. -- talk. It

failed because people were prepared to move on. There is a settled well

in this nation from the Belfast agreement that the will of the

people, a greater number of people, want to remain. The vast majority

do. The flag is the Union flag. There is no acceptance and it should

be no negotiation about the flag of the nation. The truth is this... You

have got to compromise. It is extraordinary you say that the

problem with the talks is no-one was willing to move when it was the

unionists who did not move. We agreed. The fact that the matter is,

when we go back to do with the issue, Gerry Kelly can talk about,

and he will not tell people, but this protest has been peaceful. I

was told this protest was costing ?70,000 a day. Now it is ?40,000. My

colleague on the policing board was told it was ?20,000. The figures are

all over the place. This has been a peaceful protest. Do

you support... Yes. Can I establish. Yes. At what cost? We need a

resolution. You say we are talking about it here. Into February and

talking about it. The issue has been there since jewel. There has been

complete and inflexibility around the issue of the proposals that the

Orange Order put forward which would unlocked the situation - Why can't

the Orange Order go back to the table? They would have allowed the

process to move forward. You know what, if Gerry Kelly really believes

all he saying here, why did Sinn Fein get involved in setting up not

one but two new resident groups around the issue of parading. They

didn't. Can I come in? To pick up on Brian's point. I am at not at

variance with anything you said there. I absolutely agree with the

positive Northern Ireland that you aspire to and that I know we can

achieve together. The problem is, that we have a situation where by

there is conflict that remains unresolved. The problem has been

that we've been teetering around the edges and haven't dealt with the

root causes of the problem. The fundamental issue about leadership.

Not a failure in unionist leadership it's failure of the republican

movement not being able to bring people along a peaceful past. That

is the real failure in leadership. Saying the protests... This is new.

Are you saying that the protest is against dissident republicans, is

that what the protest is for. That is what you said there. I said the

relevance to the protest and the ongoing situation at Twaddell is

central to the dissident republican - It's not around the flag. It's not

around the orange marches, now it's against dissidents. Let me expand.

It's central to it and relevant to. It here is the reason why. Don't

interrupt me. The first time I heard it. In 2006...

APPLAUSE In 2006 and 2007 we had parades

up-and-down the Crumlin Road with two maximum three police officers.

We have had parading in that area for 140 years. OK. What changed? It

wasn't the behaviour of the loyal orders. Sinn Fein signed up to the

Policing Board and they haemorrhaged massive support. A final point. Who

haemorrhage support? Sinn Fein and... Do you watch elections. It

that is one measure. You... It's a scientific matter. Have you

checked... Have in North Belfast... Bomb attacks being launched out of

Ardoyne by republicans is another way to measure this. That is the

failure. Coming out with the politics... Hold on. OK. Isn't going

to cut the mustard. You need to engage the people and get them to

stop and get with it. It's a disgrace. You have to deal with

facts. You are making this great theory. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on,

hold on. I tell you what. Sinn Fein is haemorrhaging support in North

Belfast. Look at the results in the elections. By the way... You live in

make-believe land. APPLAUSE.

I tell you this much. We get more votes than you do. That's for sure.

No. No. Let's have a look. How do you know, there have been no

elections? Let us have a look at the likes of last night, for example.

Because there was a film last night, I'm sure some of you know on Sky

Television, Extreme World. Ross Kemp was presenting it. We went up

actually last night to Twaddell to have a look at the situation there.

There were a lot more, there was something like 12, 13, 14 police

land Rovers up there last night. There is quite a lot of police. You

can see it here. This is not just a couple of land Rovers. You get a

sense of the cost here. Of course, this all feeds into a perception of

what Northern Ireland is like to outsiders. All right. Ross Kemp last

night presented a programme on Sky Television here are some of the

scenes that the rest of the UK were watching. They are warning them.

They will un with the water cannon. Here you go. There we go.

Have you got any notion how damaging that footage is to all of us in this

country? When people from outside see it, what impression do you think

they have of our country, our country, everybody in this studio?

It's easy Stephen to blame the loyalist people and the Protestant

people as everybody does. Let us look at the core issue where the

problems stem from. It's Sinn Fein. The republican movement who have not

accepted the settlement. William pointed out Sinn Fein accepted the

Belfast Agreement as a settlement You are mixed with the DUP? I'm not.

Don't put words in my mouth. Sinn Fein accepted the Belfast Agreement

as a settlement. They have treated it as a process, step-by-step,

pocketing more concessions each way as they go. Using their mandate. Are

we going to talk about votes again. You will come off with it again.

Sinn Fein may have a mandate. The ordinary people are able to have an

opinion on it. That is why they want to agree to the Haas talks they

pocket what concessions they get and keep moving forward. Until Sinn Fein

and until the IRA accept that this country is a settlement we will not

have a normal political process where we can deal with issues...

Give up being what, republicans? Gerry and his colleagues tell the

people when they were my age they felt depressed and felt the country,

things weren't going for them they took up the bomb and bullet. He

stands by what he done. Young people like me look at Stormont, what

message does it give, it gives the message that violence pays. Then

Sinn Fein... APPLAUSE

Yes, it does, Stephen. The message gives us, is that votes pay. The

things that are elusive to you. They pay. They give these people, these

people... Sorry these people a massive mandate. Stephen. They give

them power in Stormont? You are missing the point I'm trying to

make. When Gerry and Sinn Fein stand up and glorify the campaign of

murder, bombing and butchery in this country, he does not say sorry for

that. They are saying what they done was correct. What kind of message

are they sending out to my generation? What message are you

sending tout your generation? Hold on, Stephen. What are you sending

out? APPLAUSE

In what sense? The real problems people have, jobs, health, the stuff

we have talked about, welfare cuts, the real stuff that people are

feeling. Are you obsessing with flags instead of that? We are not

obsessing, these issues are important to people within the

Protestant, unionist and loyalist community. We are entitled to

express our dissent and opposition to the political process and how

it's going. Gerry is talking... Have you not made your point. Is it not

time to go away. Have you not made your point? Is it time for Sinn Fein

to go away. Leave it to the voters. Why don't they go away. You not

leave it to the electorate? There will be elections in May. That will

tell the tale. What happens until then? Why don't Sinn Fein step back?

Why don't they let the men home. Will you -- what do you think people

in the UK think when they see that footage on Ross Kemp's programme?

Nobody wants to see that. The whole point is, the issues steams from

Sinn Fein. And their cultural war. I have sympathy with Jamie. His

community has been neglected, abandoned even by unionism and the

unionist leaders. At the same time, there are awkward facts that we have

to face. One of them is, for example, that the Orange Order is an

anti-Catholic organisation. In its orgins, in it is history, it's an

anti-Catholic organisation. Every year...

APPLAUSE Every year here we have up to 4,000

marches. 4,000 marches reminding your neighbour that you're lot and

you're Prince defeated their lot and their King over 300 years ago. How

is that adding to the unity or the reconciliation of this society? OK,

William Humphrey? Now, first of all, Mr Collins, I haven't neglected or

abandoned my community. I live, work and socialise, worship in the

community in which I was born and rared and raised. My office is less

than a minute from my house. I work day and daily for my constituents in

North Belfast and Greater Shankill. I don't need you. Your comments

about the orange institution, I have read many of your articles and it's

fair to say you're not bias sir, in anyway when it comes to the

orange... I have a point of view. You have. With respect it's a

jaundice point of view. I disagree. The Orange Order are not

anti-Catholic. It's an organisation... It certainly is. An

organisation about the promotion of the reformed faith. An extension of

the reformed faith. Absolute nonsense. That is your view. Deal

with facts. OK. William Humphrey, tell me this. What would you say to

the likes of Jamie Bryson tonight and others. You're, working with

Sinn Fein. Your' co-operating with Sinn Fein in Stormont. What would

you say to the likes of Jamie Bryson about their mandate. Would you tell

them to respect it, work with them, accept their mandate, learn to work

with them? You see, I actually believe I'm a democrat. Therefore, I

have to take the results of electionses when votes are cast.

What I would say to the unionist people in this city, there are

elections coming up in May. The flag is an issue. There are other issues

as well that people feel... I'm coming to it. Register and maximise

the unionist vote. What would you say to the likes of these people,

who are rejecting the mandate that Sinn Fein have? Sinn Fein have a

mandate in a mandatory coalition. I would prefer they didn't have that

mandate. That's what the Catholic people do and vote for them in that

number. I would prefer that wasn't the case. He has to be prepared and

live and work with people in Sinn Fein? It's not that difficult a

question? I'm answering it. Are you? It's a mandatory coalition. It's not

a voluntarily coalition. Therefore, the truth of the matter is, I would

say to people, maximise the unionist vote. Get out and vote down-the-line

for the unionist parties and in terms of people who would vote for

Sinn Fein, at the end of the day, if Sinn Fein are delivering for their

communities, you know, I'd love to see where it is. Gerry Kelly? Sinn

Fein is delivering for their communities. You must think that the

electorate are stupid. Do they vote for you on the basis that you do or

not do deliver. They vote for me on if I do or do not deliver. You can't

be as arrogant as that as to say, you know, I can't see what they're

doing. You don't be in my area for a start. We both represent the same

constituency, with respect. And with respect most of the people, which

is, you may think is unfortunate, who vote for me are nationalists.

This is a lack of confidence within Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein knows Gerry

promised a United Ireland by 2016. Not going to happen. They are

looking over their shoulders at dissidents. That is not what the

they it is about. They are not giving on issues about the parade.

You are only after saying you are a democrat. You said are you a

democrat and believe in the democratic... Are you against

democratic process? You believe in the democratic vote. Why not leave

it it to the democratic vote. Peaceful assembly and demonstration.

That is what people are doing. Listen, listen. OK. OK. OK. Tell me

this. You see this entrenched position that you both have. All

right. Is this what an agreement on behalf of the people in Northern

Ireland was supposed to deliver? Is this really what the next generation

can expect, the fighting, the in-fighting the bitterness between

you? Does it really? In any situation of politics... I know,

Gerry, come on. Let us not be naive. Even if it wasn't the North we are

talking about. It is. Where parties are opposite views views will you

have arguments and discussions. The big parties finding compromise? We

went... Do you dis dispise each other? He went to the Haas

negotiation. He had no baggage. He brought as close from our opposed

positions, if you like, as close as he could, he came up with a

resolution, it was a compromise, by the way... Seven-minute parade past

the shops on the Crumlin Road. All right. You are prepared to let a

parade to come down on the basis but not allowed to go up... OK. All

right. Why won't the Orange Order... What the TV programme does, we start

the debate. You can continue talking now, as I'm sure many of you will do

onscreen. Ladies and gentlemen, please thank our guests. Thank you

very much indeed. Thank you. Lots to talk about tonight. You can

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Twitter discussion goes on to the earlier laws of the night. I will be

part of that. You can also tweet us. Or you can

text us. Texts will be charged at your standard message rate. Margaret

is on line one. Hello. Hello. Hello, Stephen. I am watching the TV

tonight and from what I hear on the panel, the bickering and fighting

together. They need to grow up and at the end of the day they are up

there and what are they delivering for ordinary people? Nothing. They

are doing nothing. I would vote for nine of them. -- none of them. They

are not delivering what ordinary people want. You will not hear me

sing this quite often, they are not doing nothing, they are working very

hard but they cannot reach agreement. Absolutely, Stephen. They

cannot crack a compromise. We will continue this discussion tonight.

Please engage with the programme. All the details will be on screen.

It is a big mix on this show, so we will take a little bit of a gear

change for some music tonight. I heard these guys in rehearsal and

they sounded amazing. I'm delighted to welcome them on The Nolan Show.

Here with the track High Hopes from their number one selling album in

the Irish charts, please welcome Kodaline. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

# Broken bottles in the hotel lobby. # Seems to me like I'm just scared

of never feeling it again. # I know it's crazy to believe in silly

things. # It's not that easy.

# I remember it now, it takes me back to when it all first started.

# But I've only got myself to blame for it, and I accept the now.

# It's time to let it all go, go out and start again.

# But it's not that easy. # But I've got high hopes, it takes

me back to when we started. # High hopes. # When you let it go,

go out and start again. # High hopes. # Ooh, when it all

comes to an end. # But the world keeps spinning around.

# And in my dreams, I make the ghosts of all the people who've come

and gone. # Memories, they seem to show up so quick but they leave you

far too soon. # My evil is just staring at the

barrel of a gun. # And I do believe in.

# I've got high hopes. # It takes me back to when we

started. # High hopes, when you let it go, go

out and start again. # High hopes, ooh when it all comes

to an end. # But the world keeps spinning.

# And the world keeps spinning around.

# High hopes. # It takes me back to when we started. # High hopes.

# When you let it go, go out and start again.

# High hopes, ooh. # And the world keeps spinning.

# Yeah, this world keeps spinning. # How this world keeps spinning

around. # Still to come on tonight's show:

Brilliant. Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much. Still to come on

tonight's show: Can you still be sexy at 60?

We'll be testing the theory with some pensioners in their undies live

in this studio. LAUGHTER. Somebody is getting worryingly excited! It

could be you. Now, my next guest has been

broadcasting into our homes since the 1970s. She reported on some of

the dark days of the Troubles and is no stranger to suffering herself.

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Gloria Hunniford. APPLAUSE.

Hello there. Good to see you. Not too many politicians will kiss you

when they come on. Don't you think it is a disgrace that Stephen wanted

me as a pet -- as a pensioner to come on in my underwear tonight? I

am terribly glad I refused. You have been doing this for how long? I have

been singing since I was eight so I've been performing since eight

years old. What is it like to come on? I love it. I was here two weeks

ago. What saddens me sometimes, and I am not being judgemental at all,

because when you do not live here, you miss the nuance of what is going

on, but I hate to see programmes like Ross Kemp's last night. I hate

to see that. The asks -- you asked what it feels like to come on. I

love this country. I was making a documentary on the merits of the

mine. Everyone talks about Downton Abbey worldwide. But County

Fermanagh has all these lovely castles and house 's and 58 miles of

waterway and is the most beautiful place as indeed are other parts of

Northern Ireland. That is the side of Northern Ireland I want to talk

about. Because you have so much experience across the water, how

much damage do you think the pictures we have seen on our

television over recent times in many years of the violence, how much

damaged as it do? I was talking to someone backstage, and he said it is

the same old circle. That is a tragedy in a way. I am not in the

province of the time so I just get the bullet points as people in

England and Scotland and song get. Unfortunately, that is what they see

in Maine -- in the news. The country is fabulous. I have one really good

friend in this country and he was waiting for a huge amount of money

from America to build a hospital and various bits and pieces. When they

saw the skirmishes on television, the Americans went, I do not want

any part of that and I am putting my money elsewhere. That is a tragedy.

We all have cultural differences. I was very lucky in that I went to

Canada when I was 17, which was a big thing then. You lot Canada,

didn't you? It was in the 1950s. My mother did not want me to go. I

learned then that all nationalities, Russians, check is a vacuum, could

live together. Wasn't your dad in the Orange Order? He was, yes.

The/keynote Every July. -- when I married a Catholic, that is

something you did not do in those days, the 1960s. What feedback did

you get? From my dad, very bad. What did he say? He said, if you decide

to marry this man, from the day you marry him, he will be reticent to me

but I am not going to the wedding. -- he will be like a son to me. He

was a very highly principled man about everything. He worked in

newspapers. He had a wonderful Christmas one year and his boss

said, Charlie, I want to give you a bonus. My dad said, you can keep the

bonus. If you think I am that good, give me a raise that month. He was

that principled so I understood it. In a weird way, of course, I married

my husband and I said to my dad, but he is an English Catholic and does

not go to church. See what I mean? Because I was living abroad it's

changed my viewpoint generally on the world and life and

nationalities. I want to have a look at some of the broadcast work you

have done here. It is all coming out now. Let's have a look at this.

APPLAUSE. I have to tell you... Would be so

dearly Christmas -- what we used to do every Christmas... That is a bad

choice of phrase, actually! We used to collect a lot of groceries for

pensioners at Christmas time. Gerry was bending down to pick up a box

live on a and, you know, off the trousers went. When you see, I

guess, what you have done over loss of years, I don't know how to ask

this, but are you feeling old? No. I do not want to get older, none of us

do. But I love the job. My son says, mum, why don't you slow down and go

on a desert island somewhere? I do not want to. I love it. Like you,

every day, I meet new people and hear new things. It is a pleasure to

do the job, isn't it? One of the things that is a real fear for some

people because of the unknown part of it, I know you have set money

aside so you do not go into a care home if you need to. Had you know

about my money scenario? Yes close to me than you think! -- he is

closer to me. I did a documentary for the BBC last year called When I

Get Older. We first of all had to live with previous people for a

week. I had to live with the women who only had ?3 60 as a disposable

income per day. Think about that. You cannot live on that. That is

what they gave me. The next one I did I had to live in a care home for

the week. Don't ask me why, but from when I was this size, my mother must

have taken me to visit someone in a care home, but it has been the dread

of my life that one day I would have to go there. I know the reasons why

people have to go into a care home... I have been some fantastic

care homes filming and sometimes a few is not rational because it is

fantastic care. I opened a care home three months ago that is like a

sixth hotel. -- a 5-star hotel. My mum must have brought me to a place

I did not like the look of. The fear is not being in my own home as

opposed to being in a care home. What will you do then? I will love

you view because you're younger! -- live with you. But you have

seriously set money aside? We have ring-fenced money so that if we need

help or something doing around the home, that is a legal spend it, in

the hope that we can stay at home as long as possible. I bet it we ask

everyone in the audience, would you prefer to stay in your own house

eventually, they would say yes. There are reasons people have to go

to home in the end, of course there are. How much did your sister

influence you and your thoughts? I do not think she influenced my

thoughts... This is your sister, Lena. This is my sister, Lena. She

died a couple of years ago. She got dementia in the end and to see that

very bright green diminish. -- bright brain. That is very sad. In

the end, she did have to go into home by necessity because

unfortunately with dementia, sometimes the person becomes a

danger to himself or herself. And so in the end they have to have care.

Would you prefer a longer life with dementia or a shorter life knowing

who you are? I want to keep on going. Do you want to keep going? I

think honestly, I think for me, personally, I don't... It scarce me

the thought of confusion, not knowing who I am. I think I'd want

to go before, rather than live a longer life. The reality of dementia

it's just as hard on the relatives. Very hard on the relatives. Very

hard. You are losing the person who you loved, in that sense. It becomes

a different person. I have a funny feeling will you have all these

injections to keep you younger. What do you think? Listen, I do treat my

body as a temple! APPLAUSE

On that note, actually, I did want to ask you, while you are here.

Because you very much had a battle with sugar. You said, right, that's

it. This is the big, big subject now. It certainly is. The Americans

are going mad about sugar and the battle against sugar? The headline

from America is sugar is poison. The headline is sugar is the new

tobacco. Love sugar? You see. What happened was, I had blood sugar

reading. I almost had September seem Sima last year. Did you? ? A knife

cut in the kitchen. Don't come to me for dinner. I'm not good in the

kitchen. Bad blood poisoning. I had a high sugar reading. I didn't want

to be diabetic. I said, what will I have to do. I will sub the story.

When you give up sugar and carbs, not easy at the beginning. Try

telling an Irish woman to give up potatoes etc, two stone dropped off.

I lost five stone not carbs and put six back on. Twoers ya ago. If you

are told it for a medical reason you will do it better than you will for

vanity reasons. For vanity reasons I've been off and on diets for

years. As soon as there was a medical reason, the mind sharpened.

The will power sharpened. This will lead us into the next debate on the

programme tonight. Do you feel a pressure to be on screen, I'm not

talking about decent. Everybody can be decent. Do you feel any type of

pressure to be as sexy or good-looking or as glamorous as some

of the young presenters? Well, this is the honest truth. You know, I was

never a glamour puss in that sense, at all, I wasn't. Therefore, it's

not like I was born Joan Collins I had the big image to keep up. I

didn't. I have been involved in journalism since 1969. I made the

most of what I got. It's as simple as that. I have... Maybe I've been

lucky. I haven't stopped working. Never had to look for a job. Yet,

I've never put that pressure on myself. Do you see what I mean?

There may be people who say, I have to go under the knife three or four

times, keep up-to-date. I might go under the knife. Who knows. ? I

wouldn't be against it. If you were getting cosmetic surgery, which part

of your body would you get it on? Have you got all night? One body

part, what would it be? Do a bit of that, wouldn't I? If I decided to do

it. I don't see anything wrong with doing it. I haven't done it yet. I

answer your question, I do not feel pressure that I've got to have

surgery and do this and have a boob job and all of that. In order to

stay on TV. I'd like to think I have a bit of experience to offer or

something else to offer. I said this to you before you came on. I mean.

It I want to say it publicly. Sometimes because of the nature I,

do the TV and radio shows I do, we talk about what is wrong in Northern

Ireland and the negative stuff about Northern Ireland. People like

yourself and Eamonn you are great ambassadors for us. We love the

place. It's a pleasure for you to come here tonight and for me to have

you here. Thank you very much. Give Gloria a big hand. Thank you very

much. Thank you so frp. -- much. Now, it leads us into our next

debate tonight. Is this the undies. You do not go into the undies, now.

Please promise you are not going into the undies. If they wait for

another 10, 15 minutes another guy is desperate for me to go into my

Y-fronts, you never know. You are not supposed to look that horrified.

Can you be sexy at 60. A major fashion chain thinks you can. They

featured a 62-year-old mod Nell their latest lingerie ad campaign.

We are always keen to get you involved at home in our studio

debates. I put out the idea on the radio programme aimed at our more

mature listeners. We are looking for over 60s to model

some lingerie for us. The question, can you be sexy at 60? We are

looking for men and women to do it. Once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Throwing pants at us. I don't know which way up they go. Wonderful What

if you wore a pair of bloomers. Wear whatever you want. Whatever you

think makes you sexy. How many people do you think volunteered

after that radio show yesterday, the biggest show in the country. Not one

of you. You are not blocking me from doing this. I have found, ladies and

gentlemen, my own people. Do you want to see them?

AUDIENCE: YES! They are not sure. They are going to see them anyway.

Please welcome Libby, who is 60 and sexy!

APPLAUSE She does look good, doesn't she? We

will get your comments tonight. We are not sexiest in this programme.

Here's Dominic who is 65 and sexy. Now, here's the question - is there

any difference or anything for these people to be remote ashamed about,

feeling inferior than a 30 or 40-year-old coming out? Absolutely

not. If they feel ashamed it's because of the pressure we put on

them in western society. We treat people over a certain age as if they

are non people. That is why there are elderly people dying on hospital

wards at this moment in time is because we wipe people off after a

certain age. I think both these people look absolutely stunning,

personally. Can I just say... APPLAUSE

He's enjoying it too much this guy up here. The I'm going with him

here. He's looking good. OK, that might be for another reason though!

Calm down. I can't, I can't. Anything wrong about trying to be

sexy at 60, putting yourself under pressure to be sexy at 60? It's good

being sexy no matter what age you are. Whether you are 20, 60, sexy is

for the bedroom. The model we saw used for this fashion campaign had

her legs at a quarter to 12 in see through red panties. Have you a

mummy and I have a mummy. If your mummy was in see through panties.

How would you feel? Put it away, mummy. That is my thoughts. What

about the fact they have a life. We act as if people don't exist after a

certain age. We have to stop do that. I'm offended by seeing the

sexisation of young children. Seeing 14-year-old girls in a state of

undress than I'm by any of these lovely people coming down the

stairs. That is the problem in our society. We are absolutely youth

object cressed. I agree. That is a bit of craic, for want of a better

phrase. When it comes to the reality do we want 62-year-olds walking

about with their Godly bits on show? I don't want to be seeing that. I

wouldn't be putting mine on show either. Neither am I. Everything is

tucked away and rolled in. Having said that, there is something to

consider here, isn't there? We are all living, certainly some of us are

living a lot longer. Yeah. , therefore, at what point are we

going to stop writing someone off at 60 that, look, don't try to... Don't

try to be really trendy, you are 60 now. Is that fair any more? People

are more, more and more people are living into their 70s and 80s, that

is the point? Will is a difference between trendy and mutton dressed

Aslam be. We know that phrase, "sure look at the woman, she's mutton"

it's true. There are labels you can wear. The -- brand that used this

lady is a younger brand. It was two years ago. It wasn't for a campaign

they were going to use. They weren't getting the column issues. I think

it's fine. If you are happy in your body. Flaunt it. You said if you

walk into the house and your mum's legs were - Can we stop that,

please. I'm serious, stop it! Would you not Raith ter was your mum than

your 10, 11, 12, 13-year-old sister. If you are happy in your body...

When you see someone out, how old are you? I'm 24 next week. You are

24. If you saw someone, I don't know, in their 70s dressed up to the

'90s trying to be trendy... It wouldn't bother me. If I don't like

it I don't have to look at it. They are not asking me to look at it.

They want to go out like that, they are happy, let them. This young lady

here in the pink dress. I disagree. It it sort of demonstrates ageism. I

think you take the looks... Looks at Helen Mirren a great stereotype for

people. Great role model for people over 60. She won Woman of the Year

last week at the age of 68. Twerked as well better than Miley Cyrus.

Twerked? A bottom movement. Can I respond. You can talk, can't you?

Yus -- just a wee bit. Is there any pressure. Forget about if they want

to do. It if there pressure on elderly people - To look a certain

way. Someone in their '50s walking into work trying to keep up with...

It was interesting what Gloria had to say. She didn't herself feel

personally... Hold on. I suspect something is about to happen. Hello.

Oh, no. We're dead, aren't we? I have a horrible thought, ladies and

gentlemen, what that silhouette actually represents. Oh, no. Ladies

and gentlemen, please welcome, John McCririck.

APPLAUSE I love it! Keep quiet. Have any of

you ever seen a hunk with a body like this? I heard them calling. Let

me say this to you. There are tens of thousands of Ulster ladies

drooling over their tellies at home, lusting after me. Now, I can

understand that! No, no, no. APPLAUSE

John, John, John! I would be more worried that Jimmy Bryson is very

close to you, I tell you now. The Let me me tell you one thing about

Stephen Nolan he is a regular attender at his local nudist club.

No wonder the membership is Coe lapsing. He flaunts his body, what

is wrong with that. I have something to flaunt. I don't! I'm so

good-looking I always have been. We can give John a round of applause to

sit down, ladies and gentlemen. APPLAUSE.

It's kind of one of those moments where I know the controller of BBC

Northern Ireland... Seriously though. In all seriousness. I know

you can be serious. You are getting on. You fought a case against ageism

and lost. Do you feel... Not funny! It may well affect all of you. The

fact that I lost my case is bad for anyone who is sacked by the suits

and skirts who run organisations thinking you are too old. I agree.

Bad for all of you. Of course, they would argue that wasn't nt -- the

reason. Do you feel under pressure because of the young generations

coming up with dress and look and appearance? No. You speak as you see

it. I'm proud to represent the young people of Britain and Northern

Ireland. I speak for the young people. What you have to do is not

be ashamed of what you look like. Go out there, flaunt it. If people

don't like, it fine. That's up to them. Why be ashamed? All of us are

growing old, middle-aged, whatever it is. Wouldn't you rather look like

me, my body than Stephen Nolan? There you are. Take it. Let's have a

vote. No, sit down! Sit down! Silence. Who do you prefer Stephen

Nolan, hands up? None. Me! APPLAUSE

The case is proven. Take the prisoner down. There's a lady here,

yes. I personally think it's fine no matter what age you are. I mean, to

look like that at 60 is fantasticment I hope I look like

that when I'm 60. I've no problems with what age they are. Like John?

No. No. These lovely ladies here. The lady to the front. We are

running out of time. I was going to say, John, you look amazing, carry

on comfortable. You look fantastic. Right at the very back. Go-ahead.

That's you. I'd like to thank you John McCririck for the nomination.

No, no, no. OK. Someone else here. Young fella in the glasses.

Go-ahead. Sadly, I'm like John when I take off my top, I'd like to say

thank you you are giving me the body confidence to be able to do that in

my older age. APPLAUSE

Quickly. Hold on. That was key. What we need are more positive role

models in the media. People who embrace themselves. The truth is,

with age you get wisdom and maturity. I've not got that. Not

you, John. The truth is, good role models. All right. At 62 years of

age you should have enough wisdom to keep them on. We have had a

fantastic show tonight. One idiot in the audience. He can be an idiot. We

had a great time ladies and gentlemen. Give them a round of

applause, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your

company. Thank you.