Episode 3 The Nolan Show

Welcome, we are liable be busy one. -- we are live on BBC One. Racist

offences have gone up by a third, but who is to blame? Should a wife

to apologise to her husband if he cheats on her? Scottish

businesswoman Michelle Mone on her bra empire, and Of the Priests are

singing live! Hello, racist graffiti, people

beaten with golf clubs and in one case, faeces thrown around one

victim. Just one of the shocking race attacks in Northern Ireland.

Here is a reminder of some of the recent incidents that have made the

news. Rocks flung Windows, racist slogans, cars set alight, all of

that has led to the immigrant community in Belfast being worried

for their safety. Last year, the number of racist

attacks reported to the police rose to 982, an increase of 31%. In

January, four cars were burned out on this road near a sectarian

interface. All belonged to foreign national families. C Watts, that car

is Polish, and that is Romanian. I live in take a -- Tiger Bay, they

burn my house, they put the fire, I come from work and I see my house is

burnt. I am not afraid of nobody. The issue of hate crime has been

gaining momentum since 2012. Photographs emerged of Polish flags

on bonfires. In April, the assistant Chief Constable met with the

policing board to discuss the ongoing problem. We think that

people are behind orchestrating these racist attacks, some of it is

show floor housing base which worries us, because it has a deeply

unpleasant taste of ethnic cleansing in Belfast. Last month, two Polish

men and a woman were attacked by a gang armed with golf clubs. Just one

of the series of attacks on that community.

We want your views tonight. How to do so will come upon the screen.

That find out what it is on the ground. Tell me what it is like,

what people like sprinting in Northern Ireland. -- are

experiencing. The Polish community is shaken by the incidents and the

attacks that are targeting the community. We are scared of what is

happening. At the start, many of the migrant workers were encouraged to

come here by employers, to find jobs here. And they felt welcomed, by the

community. And they felt part of the community. At the moment, they do

not know what is happening and why it is happening. How bad is it? Is

it getting worse? I think it is getting worse, we hear racist

attacks every day. I have been here for ten years and I do not think I

have felt that scared before. Never been more frightened than now? Yes.

Who is it to blame? Is it just that we have got to hate people in this

country, either hate each other or hate foreign people? I do not think

that was fair. People would say that they find Northern Ireland people

very friendly and welcoming. And many of the recent incidents were

reported by local residents who saw things happening. We would be wrong

to say that those who engage in this kind of hate crime art

representative of the community but I think it is damaging if we do not

treat it seriously. There are clearly tensions in the community,

it is very clear that there is a political motivation in that case.

Paramilitary is wanting to exploit local communities. It is about more

than that, it is about trying to build relationships. People who come

to Northern Ireland are here to contribute to the community and we

should welcome that and try to work with people so we can build a

stronger sense of community and identity that includes those people.

And not putting local people first? It is not about that. It has to be

about treating every individual with respect and dignity and treating

them fairly and that is what it has got to be about. That is the only

way we are going to address this by making sure that when it comes to

things like debates about who gets jobs, it is got to be the person who

is most talented. We have got to ensure that we educate young people

in our communities that they are able to compete with those jobs on

an equal footing. We cannot create a situation when we talk about local

first, the cars where the draw the line? -- because where do you draw

the line? People come here to make a contribution and that would stifle

the economy. We do not say no to inward investment, why would we say

no to inward immigration? Politicians rightly condemn racist

attacks in our communities but what we do not see is leadership from our

politicians. This turned into yet another Sinn Fein, DUP, tit-for-tat,

where you are blaming each other and not focusing on the issue at hand.

What is happening on the ground in combating this issue? Have a look at

this between Martin McGuinness and Gregory Campbell. I have been on the

public record for some considerable time over the course of the last

number of weeks making it clear that I believe these attacks are

orchestrated and they are being orchestrated by the EDF. -- the UDF.

I call on the organisation to hold this. These attacks are absolutely

unacceptable, deplorable. And I call on all political leaders to speak

out loudly and stand together with victims of these hate crimes. Thank

you, Mr Speaker. I suppose everyone will unite in condemning all

attacks, whoever they are enacted upon and wherever it is carried out.

With the Deputy first Minister not agree that his condemnation,

unequivocal as it is, would carry more weight if he were to own up in

an open and transparent manner the hate crimes that he engaged in when

he was in the IRA? I know the member who has just asked that question is,

unlike me, very indebted. I have a lot to be bitter about. -- he is,

unlike me, very bitter. But I do not intend to live my life through

bitterness. I want to contribute positively to everything that is

happening in our society. I think it is about time that the leading

spokespersons who say, on the Unionist benchers who say that

attacks on isolated East Europeans, and for different reasons either

sectarianism or racism, are the attacks on the party opposite, it is

about time they stood up and told the public or the belief is

responsible. I the only person who has the courage to do that. So who

is the people who are response will, is it the UVF? The police have

indicated that in some cases there is paramilitary involvement. Let me

respond to the point that was raised about leadership. Several weeks

ago, before these attacks escalated, I met with Eva Grossman from the

Polish community. And together we decided that what we really needed

now was to restore the unite against hate campaign, which was race

success will previously in combating some of these hate crimes. You are

squabbling with each other in the assembly and scoring points, that is

the point of the young man is making. I am not there to do that

tonight. You do it in the assembly. I am not in the assembly. You, being

the DUP. Look at the squabbling. If you look at what we are doing, what

you try to do is provoke a row and I'm not going to give in to that.

Just one second and then you can. Just for the record, I did not

control the assembly. And there was an opportunity for you to be united

up there, and what happens? Potshots at each other. Yellow matter I am

not keen to get into potshots tonight. I want to address this into

the Polish community. I am appalled when I see the Polish flag on top of

the nationalist bonfire and I will explain why. Join the Second World

War, when Hitler was bombing East Belfast -- during the Second World

War, it was Polish airmen who defended this city and gave their

lives for our freedom. They stood with us against fascism, against

ethnic cleansing in Europe. I think we need to remember that. Some

people need to look at their history. When they attack the Polish

community or any ethnic minority in Northern Ireland, maybe they need to

understand a bit about this. The other thing they need to realise is

that there are 25 million people of what I would call of the Scots

extraction living in the United States of America, 25 million

office. -- Ulster Scots extraction. Those people went to North America

and made their home there, they are also in Canada, Australia, New

Zealand. People who left here and integrated into other communities,

were welcomed there, given jobs and opportunities. We have to recognise

we cannot on the one hand here in Northern Ireland say that Northern

Ireland is closed for people, and at the same time, our young people

leave these shores and expect to be treated well wherever they go, and I

think that is very important. OK, you can do the other thing in a

second. Come on! It is an important point. I do think that politicians

should unite on this issue and I think the unite against hate

campaign is the vehicle around which we can unite, and not just the

politicians, but the entire community, to send out a message

that racism is wrong, deplorable and has to stop. So what is McGuinness

on about? The Unionist community is not speaking up loudly against us,

listen to that, crystal clear. The difficulty I have of what Geoffrey

has said is, you saw the clip of the policeman at the meeting, he said

something similar in the May meeting. He has also said that the

UVF have been responsible for a 70% increase in hate crime. When the

dissident republicans come out and carry out their attacks, Martin

McGuinness stands up, he stands with the police, he stands at the

community. The people who are carrying out these racist attacks in

east Belfast are the same people who petrol bombed a female police

officer outside Naomi's office in east Belfast. They are the same

people who shot and seriously wounded General McGrath in east

Belfast. The question we need to ask is why are the DUP not coming out

clearly and condemning the UVF? They are, Pat. He has not come out and

condemned it. That is not true. The perception is they will not condemn

the UVF because they want to support in the forthcoming elections and

they particularly want it for the next Westminster election because

they want their own seat, Naomi. send out a clear message in this

community. We need to send a message to people tonight who are living in

fear. It's easily resolved. Let Peter Robinson stand shoulder to

shoulder with Martin McGuinness and with the Chief Constable and condemn

those the UVF who are responsible for this. Here is the issue. If

Peter Robinson isn't going to come out clearly and condemn the UVF, how

do you expect people in the community to come forward and give

information to the police? Jeffrey has made it crystal clear that he

has. I will not spend all night doing this. Do one thing. Give me an

undertaking now that the DUP will provide us with how many times Peter

Robinson, over the last 12 months, has condemned the UVF, will you do

that? We will be happy to do that. Not only Peter. Specifically Peter

is the charge in his role as First Minister. That will be done. Some

figure between 0 and what do you guess? We will provide you the

figures. The focus is on East Belfast, there have been twice as

many racist attacks in South Belfast and more racist attacks in North

Belfast than East Belfast, let us get leadership from Sinn Fein

strongly condemning these racist attacks instead of getting involved

in theys tit-for-tat nonsense. It should not be about finger-pointing.

His leader was being attacked, to be fair. Not just now. We were looking

at the wider issues about the fact it isn't only in East Belfast and in

South Belfast and other locations. For example, where is the strategy

that the Assembly is meant to bring forward and hasn't been brought

forward and progressed. Those actions would allow us to engage

with communities in a meaningful way, put targets on what we do and

money behind those things. It ease easy to say things, harder to

follow-through. We need to look at supporting those who are doing good

work. I agrief against the Unite Against Hate campaign. We need to

find vehicles for people working in local communities, language classes,

whether it is support or doing other things to integrate local

communities so people know each other better. What surprises me

most, I guess, is that despite all of the violence and all of the

attacks, when you go into communities and you meet people who

are engaging with each other, they don't see each other as Lithuanian

or Polish or Northern Irish they see each other neighbours. Until that is

the point where people view each other we will continue to these

problems. If we go back to the original person in the audience. Are

you any more persuaded now? No. It's the usual tit for tat. Fight among

themselves. The same with the Haass proposals. You came to no agreement.

You come to no agreement over this. People on the ground actually have

to take up the mantel and do something about it. All you do up in

Stormont is argue and get no results. By the way. Apparently the

DUP... APPLAUSE Yeah.

You need to come into a programme like this better briefed. Apparently

Peter Robinson condemned the UVF yesterday. That is news to me. Whose

fault is that? The the attacks have been taking place for 18 months. You

are sitting here tonight condemning the First Minister of the country

not condemning the UVF, he did so as recently as yesterday. Are you for

real? Eunicism has been negligent in their duty. You are ignoring

yesterday. Martin McGuinness came straight out clearly condemned the

shooting. Gave leadership. Gave leadership to the community. Told

the people who were responsible that they were traitors. There was no ifs

or buts. The leadership of unionism needs to do the same in this

circumstance. They need to stand up and be clear about it. They are not

doing that. When you see what Peter Robinson said yesterday will you

apologise on behalf of Sinn Fein? Let me see what he said. We will

find what he said. Let us see if we can find it. I don't know if we can.

In the front row. I live in Manchester for many years, I know

you have been over quite often yourself, Stephen, I have to say any

area of Manchester you go into there is racist slurs written on walls,

slogans, racist attacks daily. It's nothing new. It's happening in Great

Britain, you but it doesn't make the news. Here we go, we have an

election coming. The politicians will carve this up between them and

blame each other and blame whatever. It was unfortunate that the

Assistant Chief Constable blamed a specific area, or people. I think

that - It's either the UVF behind it or it's not. Behind some of it, or

it's not. It could well be behind some of it. It can't be behind all

of it. What I'm trying to say. This type of racist attack, attacks, it's

happening all over England, Scotland and Wales, it never makes the news.

We have having an election... He said, she said. In fairness we

haven't been raising it in the context of he said, she said. I

raised it in the context that I'm concerned people living in my

constituency are fearful. Afraid to go to their beds because their

windows will be smashed or when they get up in the morning their cars

will be damaged. They are frightened with their children. I don't want to

live in a kind of society where people are afraid. I don't want to

live in a neighbourhood where people who are different from me, religion

or politics or their nationality, feel fearful for their lives. That

is not the society any of us would want to live in. I'm not interested

in blaming people for being responsible. I'm interested in

addressing the issue. I haven't been raising it because there is an

election coming up. That doesn't directly affect me personally. It's

a point of principle. Northern Ireland isn't open and welcoming

place. We have to be if we are a successful to attract the kind of

business and opportunity that we want to so that everyone in Northern

Ireland, including people who were born here locally, can have the best

opportunities in life. We are not going to be able to do that while

this goes on. To say it happens in other places doesn't make it right.

OK. I'm not suggesting for a minute it does make it right.

APPLAUSE Where is this - Let me finish.

Quickly. Yes, everybody should condemn it. I totally condemn

anything like that. What I'm trying to say. It's happening all over

Great Britain, but only here we are getting it on the front pages on the

newspapers. Everywhere it's just electioneering these two guys here

are bat and ball with each other. With respect much I resent that. I'm

not a candidate in this election. You represent the DUP. You had your

say. I was invited on to the programme tonight to put forward a

perspective. I don't think anyone in this audience can be in any doubt

tonight I have without reservation condemned these attacks. I have said

they are wrong. Any loyalists who thinks it's an act of loyalty to

carry out such an attack is wrong. We need to deal with those things.

That is not about electioneering. I don't know whether there are votes

to be won or not for this. It's the right thing to do. Show leadership,

for the past four years we haven't seen much of it from any of the

parties up there. You may well say that but...

APPLAUSE 40 years ago people were killing

each other on the streets of Northern Ireland. The 40 years ago

Northern Ireland that I lived in we lived behind locked doors. We were

looking under our cars and over our shoulders. With the greatest of

respect, politicians have brought us at least some way along the road to

a degree of normality. It's easy to hit the politicians. Actually, you

know, some people in politics have taken risks. Have stretched their

constituency. Have tried to move Northern Ireland forward. I think at

the end of the day, if we weren't getting it right we wouldn't be

sitting here. Where is this coming from? That all of these people

coming from abroad are taking local people's jobs? Where is that coming

from this sense of anger that you talk about? Stephen, I will explain

that in a moment. I find, see this week, I listened to Martin

McGuinness and Gerry Kelly, I listened to him telling me what is

happening in my community. A community who would probably have

the ear to the ground more than they would. I find it rich coming from

them whenever Jean McConville and their son were looking for

information for what happened to them. They are very good saying what

is happening in our area and what they know about it. When they are

asked questions about what happened to Jean McConville and her

11-year-old son taken away they are very, very - We are not talking

about it tonight, are we? That is not the point it is electioneering.

Let us focus. When we talk about raising issues. Posters went up in

East Belfast about jobs. About jobs. Naomi's party came out and called

them racist posters. They weren't racist posters. Put up by people

concerned about their jobs they weren't getting jobs. People were

being brought in by a specific person who promised the local

community he would utilise all the skilled labour that there was in

that community first before he would thenle bring in people from outside.

You are talking about the shipyard? Yes. They recruited as many local

people as they could. There weren't local people with the skill base.

Naomi Long's party was wrong for calling the posters racist. People

on their books who were laid off. They brought in 400 workers from

foreign fields to come in and do the same work. At a higher rate. At a

higher rate. This is factual. Why don't you leave Naomi along and

condemn the racism. I do condemn racism. You asked me about the

poster. I'm telling you about the poster. I'm telling you about the

posters. Who put the posters up? Get on to racism in itself. It's a lack

of information out there to people and what is happening in this

society. Where is the anger coming from? Stephen, the anger is based on

a lot of things. Misinformation. You sat there and said about faeces

being thrown around a man driving up the Newtownards Road. The police

have said they believe that was from one of his own community, did you

know that? No. We were told that at a meeting with the police 10 days

ago they said they weren't sure, but... Also. They weren't sure, now.

They weren't sure who it was... Maybe that is why I didn't know

about it because you said the police weren't sure. They said that was the

line they were taking. As far as I'm concerned, we tried to do something

about racism. We got together when that happened much we put out a

statement from the loyalist - Jim. Can I say this. You know, East

Belfast, like any other community, it's a tight community. OK. The if

that type of graffiti is going up, someone is giving it the OK. Do you

not think? Do you not think someone is giving it the nod? You know what

you are doing as journalists. You are sometimes creating a situation

that doesn't exist. Giving kids the right to go out and do other stuff

on the walls and think - Don't talk utter nonsense. . When there is

"blacks out" on graffiti we are encouraging it? Ask I sat down with

the police and representatives of the UVF who said they are nothing to

do with this. Who is doing it? The police accepted that across the

table. Who is doing it? You tell me. People not fed up of getting jobs.

Not getting education, not getting their kids into school. They are

that bad - Miss-information. These people are that badly informed that

if they are not getting jobs then they should, as any community

should, hold their politicians to account. Put Government under

pressure to create more employment, taking it out of families because of

the colour of their skin, burning people out of their homes because of

the colour of their skin. Having people frightened to go to bed at

night. Those are people within the community who have some kind of

legitmacy. They have none. Absolutely wrong. I have said it

from the start. We are trying to do something about it. We are not

sitting - what we are trying to do - in the next couple of weeks people

are coming together am we have met with the Polish community on Monday

and met with different affluent people. We explained to them what we

will try and do. People are trying to do something about what is going

on. The information levels out there need to come from the education

authority when people thinking their kids are getting stepped over. The

housing, when they think they are getting houses stepped over. The

misinformation needs to stop and proper information given to those

communities. It's not particularly helpful for people to be plastering

that misinformation on posters and walls which is the point we made as

a party. When that misinformation is put on posters and walls it raises

questions in the area it creates a sense that people are being competed

for the same jobs - There is no misinformation on those posters.

Your party was wrong - It's raising rational tensions. It's valid for

people to want to have discussion around immigration. What isn't valid

is for people to use it to stir up xenophobia and race hate that

creates a breeding ground where the attacks will occur.

of kids putting it up, there seems to be a certain coordination to it.

I cannot speak to the entire community but we would not, I do not

understand why it is happening. I think there needs to be a stronger

point from the assembly that it should not be happening. The

honorary Polish console is here, he can join us on the line, give

meaning to you. -- good evening to you. How bad is this situation? Is

it being blown out of all proportion, are we at danger levels?

I do not think it is being blown out of proportion. As it is a very

serious matter that has been occurring for some weeks now. Maybe

even for longer than that. We need to have it stopped. I am concerned

that this matter would become a political football in some way. This

is not what we want to see happening, we need the cooperation

of everybody to try to bring an end to the attacks that are taking place

on the Polish community, which are quite disgraceful and appalling. And

does not reflect, I know it does not reflect the good people of East

Belfast South Belfast or anywhere else in Belfast. What is happening

is wrong, and I know that people there who have spoken on the

programme tonight, want to see it stopped. I met the first minister

yesterday, I want to make this clear. And he made it very clear to

me, his concern at what is happening. Thank you very much, I

can go further than that. Pat Sheehan, I'm resolute, it

irrespective of where attacks emanate, I will be... Such activity

is an outrage and has no support within the Unionist community,

signed the Robinson. If it had been only, we could have understood it

better. That is interesting because on your radio show yesterday

morning, and MLA from East Belfast refused to condemn. Be a man and

apologised to the first Minister. I am not apologising. You have sat in

front of people, accused the first minister of not criticising the UVF

and there it is in writing. You a man of your honour and will you

apologise to him? I will not apologise. This is a very belated

condemnation. What is... What is politics about? In this country? It

is about leadership. And until now, he has not shown leadership. I will

not equivocate in my condemnation, and Sinn Fein have come to the table

accusing the Minister not condemning the UVF. Wise up. And by the way, if

at any stage the DUP or any other political party wants to accuse you

lot wrongly come I will treat them the same. Do you not think that is

fair? That is fair enough and I have no difficult with that. The

difficulty is that Peter Robinson has a track record of not standing

up and condemning violence and it happens. There was serious by the

seat -- summer -- there was serious violence in the summer last year, we

did not hear a peep from him. This is a belated condemnation, I am glad

to see it and I welcome it, but as far as apologising, I will not be

apologising. Maybe it needs more than a statement, leadership, more

than these words written down. It does, and it is not just about a

one-off statement. If you look at the record, Peter has been very

clear in his condemnation of the violence from whatever source and

whatever circumstance. We are trying to build a Northern Ireland where

violence is not a feature of how we live as a society. Whether that is

sectarian violence or racist violence. We are very clear about

that. And as I said earlier, one of the things we can do in response to

this is to unite around something like the Unite against hate

campaign, which the ethnic minority groups are saying very clearly they

want to see properly supported and reinstated, and we are absolutely up

for that. Because we believe that is important. We can continue talking

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cheating, should women take the brain if their husbands straight? --

if their husbands straight? -- if their husbands cheat?

My next guests have produced three albums, and despite their fame, they

have not given up their day jobs. Singing you will never walk alone,

ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, The Priests.

# When you walk through a storm # Hold your head up high # And don't

be a afraid of the dark. # At the end of the storm.

# Walk on through the wind, walk on through the rain.

# Though your dreams may cost and moan.

# Walk on, walk on, with hope in your hearts.

# And you'll never walk alone. # You'll never walk alone.

# Walk on, walk on. # With hope in your heart.

# And you'll never walk alone. # You'll never walk alone.

Wonderful. Thank you very much indeed, guys.

That famous anthem was movingly sung by Celtic fans in tribute to ox --

Oscar Knox who died last week. We will have our own tribute later.

My next guests left school at 15, invented modifications and in her

own words, worked her cars off to establish her bra business. --

worked her bottom. Please login, Michelle Mone.

Hello! Good to see you. Hello, everyone! Why are you sounding

timid? There is nothing timid about you. I have been reading your story,

it is a fascinating story of business success and drive and it

started when you were a kid. You just wanted to be an entrepreneur. I

did, I came up from the East End of Glasgow. I decided to start a

business and I was ten. What was that? I started a paper round

business in the east end. Not just a paper round, exclusive rights,

somehow, to the paper round. And within a year, I had 17 teenagers

working for me. Aged 11? That is not true! They did not want to work for

me, they said I was too young. I left school at 15. No

qualifications. Not that I'm proud of that. I would have loved to have

gone to university, maybe one day I will. So you forge your way up as a

kid, you didn't get modifications, how on earth you set up a massive

business from there? I think that anyone can do it. I grew up in an

area where everyone was, you cannot do this because you don't have

money. And you don't have an education, and you're not from the

right stock. I used to always question that. And I think that if

you got that drive and determination, and can-do attitude,

you can achieve just about anything. Don't take offence, because I agree

with you, but it is easier said than done, isn't it? If you are telling

some kid, no matter what age a person is that there's not having a

lot of money, just determination, it needs more than that. It needs luck

and money. Surely. I think the harder you work, the luckier you

become. I got made redundant when I was 24, and I cried for about six

weeks. I had two babies at the time and it was the best thing that ever

happened to me. I always believed that when one door closes many

others open. It is drive and determination to find it, and I

invented Ultima, the first gel filled bra, then Julia Roberts wore

it in Erin Doctor bitch and then boom.

So where did the idea of bras come from? I was going to a dinner dance

and there was wearing a very uncomfortable bra. I thought, why

should women go through all this pain for a little bit of game? I

said to my ex-husband, I am going to invent a bra, and he said, what do

you know about bras, you can't even so a button. I said, I have got

breast and I will work it out. That is what I did, ?480,000 in debt,

that is what I did. So how did you invented? I went on an invented 15

others, that one had liquid silicon gel so it felt like real breast

tissue. I apologise to the men, but women love me. And you found a

backer? No, not at that time. I just kept going on and on and on, robbing

Peter to pay Paul and getting lots of credit cards, and then we

launched it and then we launched in Australia and America and all over

the world. Was it money driving you, lifestyle? The last to be rich

or successful? What was it? When I was eight small girl growing up,

watching Dynasty and Dallas, the sort -- the sports car and a

sweeping staircase, that motivated me. Now I have got other things that

motivate me. Because you have got that? Is it nice to be rich? Well,

listen, I have had my trials and tribulations and had to put a lot on

the line three times. And I would do it all again. It is not money, we

all need money, of course. But I do not think that money makes you

happy. Certainly, I really understood that in the last couple

of years, money does not make you happy whatsoever. I know many

miserable billionaires, honestly, it gives the opportunities. What you're

getting at is, when he broke up with your husband, you had to restructure

your whole business. Yes, that was probably the worst time in my life

that I am so over that now. No bitterness left any more. I bought

him out of the business on the 6th of February 20 13th at 9am, and I

will never forget it. Are you ruthless? You have to be in

business, but I think I am fair. Because he fell out with Julia

Roberts? Kenny McLean no, I didn't! Who did you fall out with? Rod

Stewart! How did mix-up Julia Roberts and Rod Stewart? They say I

did but I did not. The contract came to the end, and I was with his

ex-wife, and I went from his golf into his ex-wife. It happens in

business. So you dropped her? Her contract came to the end. That is

what the BBC says when they get rid of people like me, we are rested.

Well you can come and work for me! How? Well, I just woke up one day

and I was on the beach in Miami with Rachel Hunter. I was a size 22. And,

same age as her. I was crying on the breach. She said - what is wrong

with you? I said, I'm over seven stone in weight. She said - why

don't you treat your body like a business? It was just like that

lightbulb moment. I came back to the UK. When to see a pro professor

developing a herbal pill. It helped me lose all the weight. I now juice

a lot. A lot of people who say it didn't help I still take them to

this day. I bought half the company as well. I believed in them so much.

She is not biased in anyway. Honestly, I only buy things I

believe. In I run about six miles a day, seven days aweek and signed up

for four marathons to run for breast cancer and children with cancer and

stuff like that. Losing that amount of weight. I hear people who have

lost that amount of weight, it completely changes their attitude,

not just to life, but themselves? Yeah. Does it? Absolutely. I think

that, you know, if you are not happy with your career, or your weight, or

your fitness, only you can change that. I'm now mentoring 10 people at

the moment. Between the ten of them they have lost over 30 stone. And, I

do believe that it can change your life. It changes your confidence. It

changes everything about you. Listen, you got a round of applause.

I weighed myself this morning. In the last 11 weeks I've lost five

stone. I got nothing! APPLAUSE

Have you really? You have lost five stone? Thank you. Well done! I have

?100,000 and a kiss on each cheek. Brilliant. That is amazing. You are

looking at me saying - you are still that fat and you've lost five stone?

Run a few marathons. That is what you need to do, Stephen. That is

amazing. Did you lose a wife like I lost a husband? No, I have nobody to

lose, Michelle. Well, I'm single! All right. Ladies and gentlemen,

please thank, Michelle Mone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you. APPLAUSE

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standard message rate. Now, if you are husband cheated on you, would

you be prepared to apologise to him? NO. What about trying to stop your

man straying by going to Wife School, run by a self-styled

mistress who admits she has been the "other woman" more than once. Sarah

Simmons is that woman. She is here in the studio. Good Wife evening.

School? Indeed. I believe if wives act like the husband's mistress

there is less chance the man will cheat on them. Be your husband's

mistress is my motto. Can I say something else. How do you be a

mistress? Let me talk about equality. We talk about the man

straying. Lots of women cheat too. Look at your very own Mrs Robinson.

Should the husband apologise to her? Should Mr Robinson apologise to her?

APPLAUSE Hold on. Hold on. I don't think

that's fair territory tonight because he's - You have talked about

him a lot. I'm chairing the show, we are not talking about it. It's not

fair to shut down a woman - I'm shutting you down. That is where we

are at. How do you be a mistress. What are you talking about? Are you

putting some of the blame onto the lady cheated on? I hate the word

"blame" I believe in not saying sorry. I believe all parties in an

affair or in a marriage, in a relationship, should have

accountability when you sign up and you say "I do" it's like a job, a

contract. If you are not doing certain things there is a chance a

younger model could come in and take that job from you. Communication,

accountability and talking. How is it even slightly the responsibility

of a woman who has been cheated on? How is it their responsibility? If

you are in a relationship with another person it's 50/50. Sometimes

an affair can throw things up that is wrong in your marriage. Sometimes

sometimes it can be the break alled and you shouldn't be with that

person without question. It depends. There are so many different types of

affairs, Stephen. Heidi. Hello. The only thing that is being thrown up

in a marriage if a man is cheating on the wife is hat wife should not

be married to that man any more. Certainly not be apologising to the

man because she is not behaving the way a wife is meant to. Why are we

showing men as being the weaker sex in this argument? We are apologising

for them. Things go wrong in marriages and long-term

relationships. I understand that. Things aren't all sweetness and

lights when you get married or start a relationship. If things go wrong

talk about it with each other before you cross that line of being - of

infidelity because it's very difficult to pull back from that

whenever the physical line has been crossed. That is what you are

talking about. Occasionally at Wife School I get women who say, I saw

the signs. I was distant from my husband. I pushed him away

physically. When a woman cheats, men would say, I wasn't doing what was

need of me to make this relationship - What was he doinged in the

marriage. Nothing, probably. That is judgmental. He should have been

treating her more lovingly. Both sides of marriages and relationships

- OK. Women are tired of bolstering men's egos. We have enough to do.

The lady Why can't here. The man just end the relationship. He's

obviously not happy in the marriage. So I think it's the least that his

wife deserves. Why can't they be honest and open about it and

upfront. They are cowards and use their wife as a safety net. Let us

speak to Andrew Marshal, author and a marital therapist he says maybe

the wronged woman should be the one saying sorry. Explain this to us, Mr

Marshal. I have a book called - My Wife Doesn't Love Me Any More. I ask

men to do the same thing. What do you do if you love your partner,

yes, they have been unfaithful, you still want the marriage to go-ahead

because you think there are good things about that marriage. The

first thing you have to do is think about how the relationship will be

different. The best way to start that is instead of saying - you have

to do this? You have to change. I understand you will be angry gry, do

all of that. You have to look at yourself. When you look back at your

relationship, if there are things that you wish you had done

differently, rather than just keeping it to yourself, apologise to

your partner because what it will do - Andrew, wise up! You have written

books about this, have you? Of course. You look at yourself and ask

yourself why you haven't kicked this person out the door if they is have

cheated on you. You expect them to say sorry while they have been

cheated and betrayed and hurt. They are devastated? I don't even

understand this Well, I think, you will find there are lots of people

who have actually been in relationships where the other

partner has cheated and they still want to be in that relationship. If

you don't want to, that is fine. You don't need my help, you need a

solicitor. Fine. If you want help you need a marital therapist. Fine.

If they want to stay in the relationship they have to find a way

of forgiving the cheat, not apologising to the cheat? Yes, of

course, they have to forgive, but if you want to start a useful dialogue

where you become a team together to save the marriage, rather than

getting into criticising and being in the position of saying - I hate

you, don't leave me. If you look at what you could do differently, you

will find your partner will also start looking at what he could do

differently as well and you have have a team to solve this. It's very

well to shout and stamp, what comes next? I don't believe - If you have

cheated on your partner you have devalued them in your mind. With

your mistress and with your mates in the pub that you have been maybe

been sharing stories about behind your wife's back. For her to

apologise to you that is like a double whammy. I think the man

should say sorry, not the wife. Of course the man would say sorry. As

he packs his bags. Let us see what the audience makes of this. When two

people enter a marriage they take vows to be faithful. If he cheats

it's because he wants to. He husband held liableable for his actions? --

liable for his actions. Of course he is liable. Women have a contribution

to why their marriage has got to this point. Saying, I'm a victim and

doing nothing is just saying, it's all the man's fault. Relationships

break down because there is a problem with both partners. You are

saying he is right. I thought the definition of a "victim" as I

understand is they are the innocent party. You can't be an innocent

party if the relationship is breaking down. You might be the

perfect wife. If he is going to cheat on you and you are doing

everything right. Kick him out of the door - Doing things right.

Giving them enough sex is that what you mean? If that is top of your

list. Yes. Communication, time together. Men want to feel special.

This is about sex, isn't it? That is what this is about for whoever it

is. Not enough sex - That is male quote. It's not just about sex. That

is women - Why are they going elsewhere to cheat? Women want

intimate. Men want to have sex. That is the break down. Women want to

kiss and cuddle. It's so scary it might lead to sex, they don't want

it. Men go right to the boarding gate. Women want a little bit of

duty-free! Not all men are like that, come on! The man must have

loved a woman enough to ask her to marry him thinking it must be to

death we part or until the first time you fart under the duvet - I

hate that word. There are so many temptations in this word. You are in

the business. You are a handsome man, single, I heard - Can I assure

you, I'm not in the business. Even - In the industry. All right! My point

is this, so many temptations out. There you can be in the best

marriage and still tempted. How did you feel as a mistress in that role?

That is a whole other show. There you go. Let's thank our guests

tonight. Give them a round of applause.

APPLAUSE Right, now, before we do go tonight, I

wanted to pay a very special tribute to a little boy who has captured our

hearts in Northern Ireland. Sadly, Oscar Knox died last week, as lots

of us know, from cancer. He was just five years of age. He was a star on

our show. This show, back in February 2013. Here was this little

boy in his Superman outfit, full of energy, the tubes and machines

attached to him were reminding us what he was fighting. To his mum and

dad, we are thinking about you, you were absolutely amazing parents.

Let's just have a look at Oscar. Hold on a minute. Like this? Do we

get to sleep at any stage, do we? Do you want to box me?

He had a way of making you smile. You don't have been in his presence

without smiling. I was very, very proud to know him. We will never

forget him. A very, very special little boy and

very, very special parents. I think that little boy united Northern

Ireland. We're very proud of him and Stephen and Leona, we are thinking

about you, night, night.