Episode 4 The Nolan Show

Welcome along. We're live on BBC One. Here's what we've got for you

tonight: No, I will not shut my mouth. I will not shut my mouth.

The Belfast preacher facing a police investigation for comments about the

Muslim faith. A split at the top of Northern

Ireland's newest party. NI21 Leader Basil McCrea is here.

One rider left dead after this year's North West 200. Is it time to

ban the event? Shameless star Tina Malone on having

a baby at 50. And the country sensation Derek Ryan

will be singing live in this studio tonight.

Hello there. Thank you for joining us tonight.

Police are investigating a Belfast preacher's attack on the Islamic

faith. Pastor James McConnell's comments have been condemned by the

deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. They have been described

as inflammatory by the Belfast Islamic Centre and the PSNI says it

is investigating a hate crime motive. But he is standing by his

sermon about the planned execution of a Christian woman in Sudan. Here

are some of his most controversial remarks last Sunday. Now people say

there are good Muslims in Britain. That maybe so. But I don't trust

them. Islam is heathan, Islam is satanic. I challenged him about his

sermon. I preached this sermon on Sunday night. Said good night to

everybody and went home and had a bowl of cornflakes and look what

happened. Well, look what happened. Now you have had Time to Reflect on

it, do you not regret what you have said? No, because what I said is the

truth and what I said was from my heart and could I say to you

Stephen, there is not a Muslim out there or any person I wouldn't hurt

a hair of their head. Muslims come to this church and listen to me

every week. Well, I wonder if they will be coming back anymore? They

were out at the prayer meeting on Monday night. Can I read the words

to you that you said? Yes. People may say there are good Muslims in

Britain, that maybe so, but I don't trust them. You don't trust a whole

group of people who happen to be Muslims? I don't trust them? Let me

qualify them. You didn't qualify it on the night. OK, I'll qualify it

now. The reason why I don't trust them, the Muslim has a Sharia law

and if the Sharia law controls every Muslim and if the Sharia law said

kill Stephen Nolan, you would be killed. That's not true and that's a

deeply, not just offensive thing to say, but a dangerous thing for a man

in your position to say? No, it's not because it is the truth. It's

the truth, Stephen and that Sharia law is a difficult law and they have

to abide by that law. Also I said that and I said it with earnestness.

There is a young woman who is going to be hanged soon. Because she

accepted Christianity from the Muslim faith. This is in Sudan. Just

as Christians will interpret a bible in different ways, so therefore,

will Muslims for you to suggest that every Muslim will adhere strictly to

Sharia law is absolute nonsense. There are different shades of

Muslim. There are different types of Muslim just as there are different

interpretations of the Christianity. I agree with that. But there are the

aggressive Muslims and there is millions of them and they're

gathering momentum. They're trying to take over the world. They're

going to take over Britain. There are cell groups throughout Britain

and they're going to do this. When you say cell groups, what do you

mean? Men trained in violence. I know there are good people among the

Muslim people, but they are controlled by this law and while

they are controlled, they are dangerous. So you don't trust any of

them for that reason? I don't trust them, no. None of them? None of

them. Say the nitty graty came and -- nitty-gritty came and the

authorities of Muslim said we want to you associate yourself with this

man, McConnell, we want you to hurt him and harm him. I believe they

would do it. When those Muslims you believe could hurt you and it is a

deeply offensive thing to say to them. You don't afford them the

right to their individualality, their sense of morality and their

sense that... Oh, come off it Stephen. I do give them that. Stop

sending the message if they were given an instruction they would hurt

you. It is a stupid thing to say? No, it is not a stupid thing to say

because of the Sharia law. Look at it. Look at it. I stand by that.

Now, let the police come to me, whatever they want to do. I'll take

my stand in front of my congregation, let my congregation

judge me. But they know me and they love me. And I proved myself to this

country. The Bible tells me that I have to treat the stranger that is

within my gates, I have to treat him or her with honour, with dignity and

with kindness. I believe in doing that. You don't follow all of the

bible? I do my best to follow all of it. All of the bible? Yes, I do my

best. Verse ten if a man commits adultery with another man's wife,

with the wife of his neighbour, the adulterer and the adulteress is to

be put to death? Do you believe that? That's in the old law. How am

I not sitting here looking at a hypocrite who suggests that every

Muslim is onlied by Sharia law -- owned by Sharia law, will not use

their own sense of morality, their own sense of judgement in order to

decide whether they have got to adhere to Sharia law and yet, you

are sitting there, able to say that you will interpret bits of the bible

as that suits you, but a Muslim can't? I'm not interpreting it. It

is there in black and white. No, listen Stephen, Jesus interpreted...

Let me read some of this to you, which you stand over. Islam is

heathan, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell. Yeah. I believe that. I

respect the right of their faith. None of them are trustworthy...

Definitely not. Look at the young soldier who was beheaded in Britain.

You are taking isolated incidents... What about the 200 children

kidnapped. Come on, is that isolated? Come on, Stephen, come on.

Look at the others. Look at hundreds, this is not isolated -

we're getting serious now the we're not toying with each other. Look at

the hundreds that have been tortured and murdered in different Muslim

countries. Hundreds of them. Churches burned. Now, listen, here

is what the point I want to... And Christianity has never been involved

in violence. Ah, Christianity is a farce at times. You wouldn't label

every Christian as a farcical person as a violent person... No,

absolutely not. And somebody who doesn't merit integrity, but you do

afford those attributes to people of the Muslim faith? That's right, the

Muslim faith is a faith of violence. So you are a hypocrite, sir? I'm not

a hypocrite. A hypocrite is an actor. I'm not an actor. Have you

thought about looking within yourself as to whether you are a

racist? Let me tell you the stauns that

question -- substance of that question. To label, it is

interesting of how you look at me sternly when I talk about what you

maybe, but you are very, very quick to label a whole community in

Northern Ireland, very quick. You take a whole group of people. You

don't afford them the right to have their individuality and you label a

whole group of Muslims in Northern Ireland, all of them, as not

meriting trust. As untrustworthy... Because of the Sharia law. Because

of whatever you want it to be, you label every single one of them...

No. No. No. How are you not a Race snes Listen, this church stores,

they built a village in Ethiopia, most of the children who come there

have been Muslim. We feed 600 children. How all -- how am I a

Racers. We have built a clinic and church in Kenya. We look after 2,600

children a month. Account children not be trusted because they are

Muslims either? Well, I trust the children. I trust the children. You

know, there is capacity within any human being... That's OK. To use

their discretion to interpret their faith. I would accept that because

there is Muslims come here so they don't do that. Do you trust the

Muslims that walk through this door? I don't know. I say hello to them

and greet them and love them. Muslims that sit-in front of you

here, would you trust them? Yes, I would trust them. All of a sudden

every other Muslim in Northern Ireland can't be trusted. Don't be

funny with me Stephen. This is important. It is so important when

you say you don't trust them? I don't. I don't trust them. Which

ones? Those that keep the Sharia law. The police are launching a race

hate telephone support line this week. There are race crimes in

Northern Ireland. They are on the increase. To be fair to you, you

have been very, very forthright, you condemn violence of all kinds...

Absolutely. However, what if someone that can be influenced in this

community is listening to a man of your stature and they want to hate a

Muslim and the basis of their hate, the seed of it, is you telling them

well, they can't be trusted and there are cells of them that are

involved in terrorism... That's right. In other words, I have got to

shut my mouth. I've got to shut my mouth to please you and to see

please others of the no way, will I shut my mouth. I will condemn it and

it is heathanism and I will not stand up for Christ and I will

proclaim the Bible. These are strangers within our gates. We have

allowed them to come in. God bless and god them help and encourage them

and we will try and meet their need, but I believe they are gathering

momentum around the world to take the world over. I'm not shutting my

mouth for anybody, not even the Deputy First Minister. Well, let's

turn to Martin McGuinness. Not even for him. He said he is going to

raise your comments with the policing board. He said coming in

the wake of recent spate of disgraceful racist attacks against

families in parts of Belfast and elsewhere, such inflammatory

comments only serve to fuel hatred. So he is saying your comments fuel

hatred. Well, tell him to go to the police and tell him to confess to

the police some of the things he did in the old days. Tell him to do

that. OK. He is talking like a set of bagpipes. That's the respect I

have for him. But he is the Deputy First Minister... I don't care what

he is. He has a huge mandate... I don't care what mandate he has got.

I'm preaching God's word and I believe God's word with all my heart

and I'm saying it within my own church, within my own confines, I'm

not going outside. I'm doing it. I built this church, I've worked in

this church, I've worked in this church for 60 years and I love the

Lord Gentlemen. That means not playing any role whatsoever in any

Muslim in Northern Ireland feeling isolated, feeling that they are

frightened... There is no way... Feeling that they have got a label

on them, untrust worthy. Come on. Come on yourself. I know the

Muslims, I'm not fooled by them. I ha dealt with Christians that have

been persecuted by Muslims. I dealt with them. I heard their story. I

don't trust them. Is this hatred in you? No, I hate nobody. There is not

an ounce of hatred in my body. Are you sure? Positive. You don't trust

them. I have seen them. You don't trust them. That's pure hatred, sir?

It is not pure hatred at all. Just because I'm strong in my

disagreement. Come on Stephen... Can you be trusted? You can. How can I

trust you? You are a Christian. You are all the same. You are all

untrustworthy? You all follow the Bible, every single word of it,

every single one of you, put a stamp on you, you can't be trusted. What

would happen there? You're not winning. You're not winning,

Stephen. That would be a disgraceful comment. You're not winning this

argument. You're not winning it at all. There are 3,000 Muslims in

Northern Ireland, OK? Do you seriously think that minority group

can have any influence whatsoever on that woman being hanged? Well, they

could protest, couldn't they? And I could protest with them. And you

could protest, couldn't you? Do you not think that what your comments

will do is make it more likely that that woman will be hanged because

actually... No. You're inflaming a situation. How do you think your

comments, if they did reach Sudan would go down? How do you think if

you were to become a martyr, maybe that's what you want to do and go to

Suda do you think it would stop something being hanged? The hanger

will justify all that I have said. You are being investigated now by

the police. Soy hear. -- so I hear. Are you concerned? No. Why? Because

I know what I've said is right and if they throw me in prison, they

throw me in prison. I will go to prison if they throw me in prison.

Deputy First Minister also said this, it is essential there is a

full and thorough investigation of these comments and their potential

to generate further racist attacks. I said that in the confines of my

congregation. It is published online. I know it is online now. I

said it in the confines, no harm to Martin McGuinness, I don't accept

anything that he says. Him and Gerry Adams, the whole lot of them. I

don't accept anything... Why not? Because of their past. Forgiveness,

part of Chrissaniate? It is. The ability to repent? That's right. I

just want to conclude this interview by asking you this - do you have any

sense of responsibility in yourself that people can be stirred up in

Northern Ireland... Yeah, I know that. And people can be influenced?

Yeah, I know that. Is there no need for you to reflect on yourself when

you have said you will stand by it. That actually, you are a man that

needs to change your tone very, very quickly because you have got the

splendour of this church around you. You have got the support of the

thousands of people that come here. You are a man of influence. Islam is

heathan, Islam is devil. To say it positively and because I believe it,

I am not against these people. I don't want to hurt these people. I

have no notion of hurting these people, but I know what Muslims do.

There is a lot of reaction to that interview. We have got a packed show

tonight so we are going to move on, but here is what we can do because

we have the different platforms that the BBC give us on the Nolan Show,

we will talk about this on Twitter. When I come off air, I will be

engaging with you on Twitter about that issue and on BBC Radio Ulster

on the Nolan Show tomorrow morning at 9am. We will be talking about

that big time. Lots and lots of reaction we can expect to that.

There is the Twitter address right now.

A split is bad news in any political party, but when you've only two MLAs

and they fall out, it's not good. NI21 is Northern Ireland's newest

party. Its deputy leader John McCallister has branded it "crazy"

and "dysfunctional". The party's leader and other MLA Basil McCrea

joins me now. A disaster, your party is crazy and dysfunctional and you

can hardly blame your best friend, party colleague and man who set-up

the party with you. Just how crazy and dysfunctional is it? Well, we're

less than a year old. We've got 47 councillors, potential councillors

running. None of them have been involved in politics in the past. We

have the best poster campaign, the best leaflet campaign, the best

social media, the best political broadcast... There is nobody talk

being the election campaign tonight and it doesn't matter what you want

to talk about, the story about NI21 is that there is a massive fall out,

you are dead in the water, aren't you? How can you survive? Your

deputy leader and your close friend saying it is all crazy and

dysfunctional? Well, first of all, the party is bigger than either John

or I. It is a movement. It is for something new. It is to try and put

the past behind us and move forward. When it comes to Stormont, the party

is you and John? Yes, but that's not where it will be in the future. Who

is going, you or John? Well, there is a change coming in Northern

Ireland about where people want to move to. And I think they're looking

for an alternative. Now, my message is simple to people. Do you see if

you are happy with the way things are going, carry on voting f whoever

you are voting for. We came across to do something new and different.

There is not a new party, there is not a n movement, there is not

something that doesn't have teething problems and difficulty. Teething

problems? Yes, indeed. A teething problem? It is. It is a 50% split in

your Assembly party? There is clearly a serious problem which if I

am being honest, I'm not sure why it developed or what the root cause of

it. It came as a surprise? It did come as a surprise. When did you

know? Well, whenever there was a headline in the Newsletter and

that's when it came about. John didn't let you know he was annoyed?

John was annoyed and it is something I will have to have a chat with him

about. I don't know if the situation is recoverable or not, the way

people deal with things is as mature individuals to say let's see if we

can resolve things. Do you think he is immature? No, he is clearly upset

over things and it may have been over a longer period of time. I'm

not sure. Maybe you ambushed him. What are you doing changing the

designation of your party is such short notice? Maybe he felt

ambushed? Well, it wasn't short notice. By his key friend and ally?

Stephen, let's deal with this seriously, it was not short notice.

We said at the start of the party, the party launch a year ago that

although we would des igignate unionist, it was because we wanted

to be clear on our constitutional position. The media kept referring

to us as a Unionist party. We said at that time... Is that not how you

set yourselves up? No, we set ourselves up as a Northern Ireland

party that was happy to be part of the United Kingdom. That's what it

said in our political broadcast. That's what it said in all of our

speeches and just four weeks ago, whenever we were launching the Local

Government campaign, I made it quite clear that where we were moving. Let

me finish that point though of the there is a point where people are

asking us on the doorstep, they are saying if you are trying to be a new

political party, how can you be... ? You know why. You set yourselves up

as a double act. You very much branded NI21 as John and I and this

is what we're doing together. A joint team. Is John McCallister

still a friend of yours? John and I have to have a chat because we were

unhappy, I was unhappy about certain things that happened. The... You had

all day to have a chat. Are you not talking? I phoned him... How many

times? I phoned him a couple of times. How many times has he

answered? Well, he has not answered yet. You guys are laughing. I'm, you

know, they were really, really good friends and I'm not sure if this is

a laughing matter. It must be hurting very deeply? I'm sad about

the situation. I'm not quite sure why the situation developed. I'm not

jumping to any conclusions on it. I have no doubt that it was a series

of events. One of the things people don't understand, you start off in

politics full of good ideas and you want to help Northern Ireland and

then what happens is other people take an interest in what you are

doing and we've talked about this before, the more successful you are,

the more you attract unwelcome attention from other opponents and

who knows what they are doing or how it is working. This is you and John

being opponents, this is you and John clearly fighting. The leader

and deputy leader not talking on the eve of an election? We could have

been about husband and wife or other partners, things happen. There is a

situation. We do have to try and resolve it... Is he your friend?

Well, he is still a friend, but there is a strain in the

relationship. Now... Do you still trust him? I have always trusted

John. Do you trust him tonight? I trust John. Despite the fact it has

been very difficult, I don't understand why things happened. I

regret the fact that we haven't had an opportunity to talk about things.

But I'm quite sure there is a set of circumstances which may or may not

be to do with what his particular things. If he is watching tonight,

what do you say to him? Well, I don't know that he will be watching,

but the issue is I've said repeatedly to other people within

the party, we have had a really interesting and shall we say

exciting learning experience. When the election is over, when it is

finished, we need to regroup and see what we can learn. Maybe you owe him

an apology? For what? For bouncing him on the designation Chance? You

wouldn't let me finish that point. I said we had set out our stall in the

speeches beforehand. It was trailed. The media were there. It was part of

the candidate pack. John didn't understand that, he missed the memo,

did he? He may have got to the stage of saying, do you know what, I think

this is at the wrong time or the wrong place. We need to be straight

with each other. Here is the score. Is there anything else happening in

your party? Is this all this is about or is something else happening

inside NI21? We have a lot of learning exercises to go through.

There is a lot of candidates that had to go and learn how to put on

stickers and how to go and do... This is not about stickers. Is there

something fundmedal happening within your -- fundmedal happening within

your party that you are aware of and others are aware of and it is not

out yet. It seems very strange that here we have this big split all of a

sudden? Well, it is certainly interesting the timing that things

have happened. I can't deny that. But that, that suggests that

somebody else is instigating action or doing things. I don't know why

things happen at the time scale that we were doing. Three days ago, we

were on the crest of a wave, we were doing really well, really making an

impact with the people. Good feedback and then bang, we have an

issue. Now that happens. I don't know why that issue happened. I

don't know what's at the bottom of it. I do know that the message that

we're putting out is right and the party will go on. Is John

McCallister still your deputy leader? Yes. You are still the

leader of the party. You have the power to sack him. Are you

contemplating sacking him? No. So it is OK to call the party he is

working with crazy. What type of leader are you? It is a situation

that any leader would do is to try and understand why a set of

circumstances developed. Are you sure? Absolutely. Are you sure a

strong leader wouldn't say, "You are gone. Don't dare call our party

dysfunctional." How can you have a deputy leader calling your party

dysfunctional? You build up a store of trust and understanding and when

things go wrong, you say, "I need to go and find out why that happened."

Now, there is an explanation that's due. There are things that we have

to go and sort out. I suspect there is dirty tricks being played with

people. Really? Absolutely. That's what happens in politics. They say

this phrase about politics is a dirty game and you go, yeah, but not

really and then you discover and you will had this yourself, if you are

in the public eye, people come along and they say things to people or

they say things to other people and try and put a wedge between you.

They try and make mown tonnes out of molehills. These are things that may

boil over. It happens all the time. That's part of the learning exercise

and I fully expect Stephen that there will be more of it, but that

will not change me for saying that Northern Ireland needs a different

type of politics and NI21 will be part that future. Finally. Finally.

John McCallister still enjoys your support, your trust, your respect,

and that will continue, will it? It will continue, but I will want to go

and have a conversation with him. Now what the outcome that

conversation is, depends very much on what he says. OK. But there is an

issue about moving forward that both of us did for the very right

reasons. Things that, I think, Northern Ireland should be proud of

and all of the 47 candidates I have and the European candidate, deserves

support. OK. Basil McCrea thank you very much

for coming in. Give Basil a round of applause.

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Simon Andrews is the fourth rider to die in 10 years while competing in

the North West 200 road race. Is it time for a ban?

My next guest is making country cool. A singer/songwriter, he has

released four albums and is packing out venues across the UK and

Ireland. Singing Avicii's Wake Me Up with a country twist. Ladies and

gentlemen please welcome, Derek Ryan.

# Feeling my way through the darkness.

# Guided by a beating heart. # I can't tell where this journey

will end. # But I know where to start.

# They tell me I'm too young to understand.

# They say I'm caught up in a dream. # Well life will pass me by if I

don't open up my eyes. # Well that's fine by me.

# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.

# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.

# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.

# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.

# I tried carrying the weight of the world.

# But I only have two hands. # Hope I get the chance to travel

the world. # But I don't have any plans.

# I wish that I could stay forever this young.

# Not afraid to close my eyes. # But life's a game made for

everyone. # And love is a prize.

# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.

# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.

# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.

# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.

# No, I didn't know I was lost. # I didn't know I was lost.

# yeah, yeah, yeah.

# All right. # Thank you. Thank you.

My next guest became a mum for the first time at age 18. She became a

mum for the second time 32 years later at age 50. Best known for her

portrayal of the loud-mouthed Mimi Maguire in Shameless, her own life

has been even more of a rollercoaster than her famous

character. She has fought battles with alcohol, food, money problems

and depression. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome, Tina Malone.

APPLAUSE Hello there. Good to see you. Good

to see you. APPLAUSE

Well, that's a whole littany of problems in a life story and look at

the big smile on your face? I know, I'm blissfully happy and I have got

a 22 week old daughter and I'm 51. APPLAUSE

Shall we talk about that? Because aged 50, you caused quite a lot of

controversy and at the end of the day, it is your life, so I'm sure

you don't care, but you decided you wanted to be a mum? I think, there

has been lots of talks in the press about my reasons for wanting to

become pregnant. My husband is 18 years younger than me, aren't I

lucky and gorgeous? The total thing that he is a beautiful bodybuilder

and I struggled with my weight. We decided to go for IVF, I lost stones

and 4lbs and I packed the fags in and I got myself to a place where

two surgeons said I was fit to go for it. A lot of people would say,

you might be physically fit, but you are too old? I had a bit afdebate

with -- of a debate on Loose Women because someone said women of 50

should be grandmas and jumping up and down on a trampoline. I defy

anyone who is as old as I am to fall out of a nightclub. I'm sober and I

can talk a glass eye to sleep. If I wasn't up with the baby, I would be

up at 3am or 4am, cooking a lemon drizzle cake and watching re-runs of

the Sew Sopranos. I said this to you when I spoke to you on the radio at

length, we couldn't shut up, could he? This was on Five Live, I

couldn't shut her up, I was very, very quiet. To be honest with you, I

would another one tomorrow. I have got a beautiful 32-year-old

successful actress daughter and now a baby. So when your child is 15,

you are going to be 65? Yes. My mother is 75 and she has got...

You're not going to play football in the park at that age, are you? Why

not? Because... When was there a tablet that said that life stops. I

am fitter now than I was 20 years ago. I was fat and I was drinking

and I was an angry defensive alcoholic fat bird and now I am

great in the bedroom, great in the living room, great even better in

the kitchen and I am he' a good mother and as long as I nurture, and

educate and love my child. Why should I not be allowed to have one?

Bill, maybe we can get the mic down here, there was a rather strange

reaction there, ladies and gentlemen, that you might not have

seen from a young man in this audience. Yeah, you just in the

second row here. This lady said she was great in the bedroom, you seemed

to punch the air. Man at work is all I will say. Listen, once you are

older as a woman, well we get better with age in every way and listen, I

rejoice and embrace young, beautiful women and you know, fair play to

them. I was never a young beautiful woman. I was an ugly fat one. I'm

better at the older, I am, and better in every way. When you are

15, who didn't want a 65-year-old with the wisdom of a beautiful 65?

-year-old telling them what to do at 15? People say when they meet my

husband, don't you wish you had of met him at 25? No, he would have

been six. It wouldn't have worked! It seriously wouldn't have worked. I

don't compete, my house is beautiful to look at. He is not as academic as

I am, but he served ten years, he was in Northern Ireland, Iraq,

Afghanistan in the aErl. He is a photographer -- Army and he is a

photographer and he is in the gym every day. I don't keep up with him.

He keeps up with me. Talking about the gym and all that stuff. You

mentioned you lost how much weight? 11 stone 4lbs. Every other audience

would probably give awe huge round of applause for that I have to say.

would probably give awe huge round That's amazing. That's incredible. I

20 and went to a size 10. I went from a size 28, it got that way

Stephen that I thought, my husband is going to need a JCB to throw me

around the bedroom or they are going to have to get a tractor and big

lads to get me on set. I was a size 28 and I went down to a size eight

and I will be honest, hold my hands up and I have a gastric band and I

still have it. Do you want to feel? Have a feel at me gastric band. What

bit are you feeling? That bit there. Ah boke. It is my best friend

Colette. And it is wrapped around your stomach? Yes and you have it

tightened or loosened. I have mine as tight as possible. Before you got

that, you were diagnosed with diabetes so you were in trouble? I

was ill with the drinking so I gave up the drinking. My choice of drug

and you know, it is well documented in my book that call out a couple of

months ago, you know, I have dabbled with drugs and drink was my choice

of drug if it was a line of coke or a spliff or a drink. And I'm 15

years asober. -- sober. Pregnant at 17, pregnant at 50, my mother says

you don't do anything by halves: I'm by polar and I have an obsessive

compulsive personality as well as disorder. Illnesses, the diabetes,

for example, when you lose 11 stone, what does it do? Eradicated the

diabetes. It is irreversible? Diabetes two. You will always be

predisposed to it. I will be honest with you, I eat spinach and sea bass

and broccoli, but I eat a bit of chocolate every day. I can't have

six bars now, I have six bites. It is as simple as that otherwise I

would be in traction, I have moo band really -- my band really tight.

I didn't lose the weight to keep a younger man, I lost the weight

because I felt ill physically. I was clinically and more bidly obese and

I looked in the mirror and I felt like a big ugly pig. I couldn't bear

to watch anything I did on television. I lost the weight for me

and my health, not for a man. I never had problems getting men. I

did say this to you, you use the phrase about yourself, big, fat,

ugly pig. It is terrible to think about yourself like that. It is

terrible to describe yourself like that? Stephen... I know it is

cliche, but I'm never confident about my appearance, I'm genuinely

not, but you try to convince yourself that I am a descent person

on the inside and I just, I detest it when I hear fat people describing

themselves like that. You are not clinically or more bidly obese

though. I was the size of three big men. You should have seen me a few

weeks ago. I wasn't two or three stone overweight, I was like twice

my body size and the thing is, it is like... You called yourself a pig.

When I went into acting, the majority of women earning a lot of

money were Jo Brand and I thought all the fat women are making the

money. So I ate more pasties. You don't believe that what's on the

inside is more important? Of course, it is. My husband fell in love me

when I was... I'm talk being how I felt not how somebody else saw me.

But that's the point. Don't call yourself, yourself... But I was

ugly. It is not about somebody in the street. It is interesting. A lot

of people, you know, I always say the skinny prettier birds are

usually the most messed up, but they are. You look at the beautiful ones,

Victoria Beckham and Cheryl Cole, I wasn't smacked with the ugly stick,

they validate themselves a lot of women in my industry by being thin.

I didn't get thin so that it would open me up to Downton Abbey or

certain magazines. I lost the weight, my husband loved me like he

loves me now with the skin I've still got. He loved me bigger. He

loved me better. He doesn't love me anymore. It is easier to pick me up

and throw me around the bedroom. Don't start that again! I'm really,

really sorry that clearly we haven't been able to squeeze a word out of

you tonight. You are a lovely person. You know that we kind of

clicked when you were on the radio show. Yeah, sab solutely. --

absolutely. There is so much more to talk about you because you have

battled by polar and depression and you were made bankrupt and your

story is that you fight back every time. You stand up and you fight. My

father was Patrick Thomas Malone. We really are Irish on both sides. I

think you have to battle. Depression is a terrible thing. Most people

suffer it. A lot of people suffer it and don't ever say of the it is a

terrible thing. Listen, you say you are genuinely Irish and you are

genuinely welcome in Northern Ireland tonight. Thank you very much

for coming. Ladies and gentlemen, Tina Malone.

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All right, let's move on tonight. The dangers of the North West 200

were sadly brought home once again this week. 31-year-old Simon Andrews

died on Monday after crashing in a weekend race. Another rider was

critically injured during a practice session. He's continuing his

recovery in his native France. The North West is known for speed. In

2012, a record of 208mph was set. But is it time for a re-think? Let's

take a look at just some of the more dramatic moments on this year's

course. They touch. They're both off. They're both off. They touch.

Well joining me to discuss this racing commentator Steve Parrish and

road racer Jeremy McWilliams. What do you think about a fundamental

re-think given the dangers there are associated with this? I don't think

there needs to be any re-think. There is a lot of people who enjoy

doing it. There is a lot of people doing it. They do it at their own

choice. When I started doing it, the Grand Prix took place on road

circuits like the TT and like the racing in the Czech Republic, it was

decided back in the late 70s that people should chose whether to do it

or not. Even if if it is costing lives and even if the element of

risk is one of the most attractive and most exciting facets to the

people that take part, do we not have a bigger responsibility than

that? Not if those people want to do it. What do you do for fun? What

gives you excitement. Eat. I feel sorry for you. These guys, I had a

huge amount of exhilaration and I enjoyed everything I was doing. I

couldn't imagine not racing of that was my life. I enjoyed doing it. I

see so many people taking drink, they take drugs, these guys are

loving what they are doing. Bill? I think that motorcycle racing is a

kind of collective madness, I really do. I think that that it is bad that

you can equate and people use the tourism argument, the shops did

well, the bed and breakfasts did well, the country did well, how can

you equate people's lives with a few shillings profit? I think it is

wrong. Bike racing, road racing is on its way out. There are three or

four big races left in the world, where? People get killed regularly.

Do you want people riding on the roads then? No, I don't. I think the

solution is track racing like Philip Island in Australia. People still

die there. Wait, they don't die as often and they don't die as nastily

because of the run-offs and the way the thing is structured because of

the bends and the space, it becomes a great spectacle. It is road racing

that is killing people all over the world and here. So you have got to

stop skydiving and horse riding and rugby. Jeremy, you are nodding your

head, but if there was a boxing competition every single year in

Portrush here in Northern Ireland and if people died most years in

that boxing contest, it would be banned. It would be stopped. The

councillors would be up in arms? It would be professionals taking part

in what they do professionally. Bill, it is their business. I have

been involved in racing all my life, 30 years now. 've raced on circuits

and then I came to the roads. I have seen the evolution of safety

measures through from racing when I started which weren't that great as

Stephen mentioned earlier on right through to how the North West 200

committee made it much more safe to race on the roads. Well, not safe

enough. I was vocal early on about not doing it because... You called

for a ban after the Dunlop brothers didn't you? The reason I'm here is

because at that stage, I didn't know anything about it of the I hadn't

raced on the roads. I didn't know anything about it until I saw what

measures they have put in place. They have got better over the years.

They haven't got enough funding to make it safe enough. There are

events at the moment in Northern Ireland that are getting well

funded. The Giro d'Italia ?5 million. What a damning comment you

have said. They don't have enough fund to go make it safe. If it is

not safe. With more funding, they would make it safer? No. It is

almost like going back to the days of the Romans and the amphitheatre

and people go to see a few bikes and smell petrol and look for the

accident. That's what makes it memorable, the memorable accident

and the ones they talk about is ones where people died. That's what

happens in the crowds. They go to watch the excitement. Some people

don't have much excitement in their life and they go to watch it.

Excitement is a risk. When you say they go to see the excitement, the

excitement is the risk. They go to see the talent, the ability and the

skill and... And the possibility And the possibility of dying out there.

I am suggesting that part of the spectacle is road racers coming off

their bikes? No. It is a tragedy when that happens and there has been

one million people who contacted the North West 200 website to send their

condolence. It was a freak didn't. It wasn't like he fell off going

around a corner. Something went wrong and he crashed o the straight.

I pass on the condolences to the family. I have been involved in a

number of events in port mush, the -- Portrush with the voluntary

Ambulance Service and Coleraine Borough Council have to be

congratulated for the big events that they are bringing tourists to

Northern Ireland and tourists to them towns. At what cost? Every

event that we have in any town throughout Northern Ireland has

risk. People enjoy being on their bikes. They enjoy biking on the

road. This is a safer environment for people to come together,

celebrate a hobby they enjoy in a safer environment. There is a

medical team on stand-by for such incidents. Sadly on this occasion,

it wasn't successful, but we need to con gratulate that council. Beside

you. Go ahead. I'm clerk of the course the week before the North

West 200. There was nearly 40 newcomers at the Tandragee. The

crowds are getting better and first of all, the North West 200 is only

part of the motorcycle union of Ireland that runs this throughout

Ireland. What's the attraction? It's the ultimate buzz. I have been o a

motorbike racer. I have been a clerk of the course where I have had had

to deal with a fatality. Drug addicts talk about the ultimate

buzz. They talk about the same type of thing, don't they? As a society

we say too much risk. Yes, it might be your own body, but too much risk.

Therefore, we don't allow people legally to become drug addicts, do

we? That's about buzz and adrenalin and a fix and risk. More and more

safety is coming into the sport. You have got health and safety in the

workforce. We're working with the councils and we could rp out hedges

and get two diggers to clear out the whole thing and shift lamp posts

into fields, but we have circuits here like this gentleman said. We

have circuits here and they are not supported. We have four circuits

here. In England they drive 50 or 70 mile to each circuit, we have

circuits 20 miles apart and nobody goes to watch it. They drive to see

the road racing and they only get once a year.

Let me speak to Michael Larkin, you lost your brother, Stephen? Yes.

What happened? He had an accident at a road race and it was an accident.

He loved racing and I was standing in the grid the next day and if my

bike was there, I would have been racing. I love the racing. The

safety is unbelievable. Everything is put in place for us. I wouldn't

ride a road bike on the public road. My brother had an accident. He could

have went out on a road bike and hit a car and had an accident. It was an

accident. Public roads aren't safe. Road racing is safe. You can ban

every sport if you want to. You can ban sailing. There is mower

yachtsmen lost in the Atlantic. Who are you to tell the likes of Michael

what not to do and what his brother should have done and what he

shouldn't have done? I wouldn't dare tell that to you. That's what you

are telling me. The one that you love should be banned. It is a

collective madness. What you should be doing is push to go create in the

North West 200 of Northern Ireland where the infrastructure is there

and the hotels and the catering, you could create a world-class

motorcycle racetrack there. And it could become, world champions could

come there. I don't want to ride around a circuit, I want to ride on

the road. That's dangerous. It is not dangerous of the it is safe. I

do it in a safe and controlled environment. It is not a safe and

controlled environment. I go as fast as I can go. It is not a totally

controlled environment. I'm in control of the bike. I go as fast as

I want to go. You are in control and everything is set in place to keep

you safe. The guy with the beard. Have you ever rode a motorcycle? Say

it again out loud. Have you ever rode a motorcycle? I haven't. How

can you tell the majority of people that have and they are for this

debate. There is a lot of people getting wound up for people like

yourself that never rode a motorcycle saying this should be

banned. Go and try it. I don't have to drive a motorcycle to understand

the pain and the anguish that's caused by people dying. It can be

made much safer and I believe that road racing is a total disaster.

Mark, you are a former racing team owner. What do you think from what

Bill is saying tonight? Realistically, I'm divided. With my

team, I would have been controlling several riders who if they would

have come to me and asked to do the North West 200 or the island, I

would have made sure they were committed and serious and then I

would have taken the decision of taking the team colours off the

bike, shaken their hand and wished them well and having nothing to do

with their entry of whatever rode race. Why? Simply because so many of

my pals have either been fatally injured or killed. Fatally injured

is kill. Or seriously injured. And I love racing. I miss it so much. I'm

unable to ride because of my sight loss. Are you saying the North West

200 is simply too dangerous? No. Absolutely not. It is what the

riders make it. And it is what the organisers do their best to make it.

Nothing more and nothing less. It is a wonderful spectacle for all the

competitors and for all the spectators that come in their droves

every single year. It is only spoiled by the weather. We're going

to have to leave it there. We will continue talking about this. That's

our hour up. It goes like that. We will talk together on the radio

tomorrow morning at 9am. Night-night everybody.

APPLAUSE Throughout history, Armagh has

always been a spiritual sanctuary. It gives me purpose.

It is everything that I am. the be-all and the end-all

of everything. If this is how God answers prayer,

bring it on! Do you believe in miracles?

I am one.